Australian Army Invests in Electrical Shirts 124
Stony Stevenson writes "The Australian Defence Department has injected $4.4 million worth of funding to further Australia's national science agency's (the CSIRO) research into designing clothing which can be used as a self-recharging electrical source on the battlefield. The Defence Department is hoping the technology can be used to replace cumbersome disposable batteries that soldiers must carry on the battlefield. The Flexible Integrated Energy Device (FIED) will be used to store and provide energy over a continuous period of time. It can be charged by either vibration energy harvesting or through plugging into an electrical power point."
Cold ones (Score:2, Funny)
Re: (Score:2, Funny)
Just a question... (Score:2, Funny)
...hoping the technology can be used to replace cumbersome disposable batteries that soldiers must carry on the battlefield. The Flexible Integrated Energy Device (FIED) will be used to store and provide energy over a continuous period of time. It can be charged by either vibration energy harvesting or through plugging into an electrical power point."
Just curious .. if the vibration energy is derived from a battery powered device, does this mean that our female soldiers on solo assignments can safely assume they will never run out of batteries?
Re: (Score:2)
Cant wait till I can get one of these! (Score:1)
Unfortunately I don't think these will be able to make enough power to fully power a decent computer but it would be able to do small thing like civilian uses such as cell phones/PDAs or a more military application of radios which would be great in combat away from power outlets, but I really want the civilian use so I can enjoy this too! Must be expensive to produce though.
Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
Are other energy sources really so inconvenient that this is justifiable?
Re: (Score:1)
Are other energy sources really so inconvenient that this is justifiable?
It is the same reason someone venturing into the jungle alone might want one of these [slashdot.org], you wouldn't need it in any normal circumstanced but it would be a great safety tool and just like the USA want to get rid of foreign oil dependencies I think the military would like to have alternative sources of power in case their power source is shut down or blown up. It might even be able to double as armor and even if it is never used it will have many other civilian applications.
Plus it is one step closer to a
Re: (Score:2)
heh. (Score:5, Funny)
Women soldiers (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
You jest, but we've been there already. Heard about the proposed [and cancelled] "gay bomb" to turn enemy soldiers gay? Or the unexploded cluster bomblets that were shaped and colored like childrens toys? That's one I'd like to think was unintentional. Taking it further, how about food bombs? In the Balkans war the US dropped pallets of relief supplies on top of people, killing many.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:3, Insightful)
Now say after me (Score:4, Insightful)
This means that while it is perfectly possible in theory for soldiers to charge batteries by running around, they will have to exert that extra energy themselves. I doubt that any soldiers (already heavily laden with weapons, body-armour and other gear) will want to wear suit that requires more energy from you for movements than normal suits.
Re:Now say after me (Score:5, Interesting)
On the other hand, imagine if the battery somehow breaks starting to leak acid all over the guy's skin.
Re:Now say after me (Score:5, Funny)
Re: (Score:2, Insightful)
Super Battery Acid Man fighting for the freedom of Iraq!
Yeah, right.
Re:Now say after me (Score:4, Funny)
I somehow doubt they'd be using lead acid batteries.. heavy and nasty.. lithium polymer would be better.
Re: (Score:1)
Re: (Score:1)
Good point. The "somehow breaking" should indeed be taken into consideration when conceiving a device to be worn be someone who's supposed to be shot at sooner or later...
Re: (Score:2)
Or worse yet, imagine if the batteries were made by Sony [cpsc.gov] and the battery bursts into flame during combat. Bad news...
Yeah, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Yeah, but... (Score:4, Informative)
Current method is inefficient. New method is also inefficient, but not as bad as first method. Thus, even though the total system energy will be depleted eventually, less is being wasted rather than being converted to useful work in the new method. SO IFF the new method is 'less bad', the overall system will see an improvement in function. No perpetual motion required. The guy still has to 'plug in' at some point.
Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
Bull. You almost have to wonder if people should even be taught the laws of thermodynamics, they're so eager to run off and leap to unsupported conclusions. Every single story in any way related to power, somebody refers to the laws of thermodynamics to "prove" it's not a good idea because "the power still has to come from somewhere." I got news for you kids, that doesn't mean all power sources are equally useful, economic, reliable, efficient, or
Re:Yeah, but, but yeah (Score:2, Funny)
and "will this thing shock me everytime it rains?"
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:1)
As a signalman you'll carry a fair few, now which is a better use of energy, using it to haul around 15 kilo of batteries, or being lighter but using a little extra energy for charging batteries?
Re: (Score:2)
As for your example, if this were issued to signalmen as a replacement for batteries and not a replacement for standard issue gear, what happens when the signalman gets shot? Are you going to trade uniforms with them on the battle
Re: (Score:2, Informative)
I doubt that any soldiers (already heavily laden with weapons, body-armour and other gear)
Yes but this is a start in the reduction of heavily laden gear.
The increase in the internal energy of a system is equal to the amount of energy added by heating the system, minus the amount lost as a result of the work done by the system on its surroundings".
Whats this really matter its still a plus for the soldiers system must do the work regardless and the expended energy is going into a system which has a positive effect on the soldier as it is lighter then previous disposable solution?
Just finish high school physics? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re: (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Just finish high school physics? (Score:5, Informative)
Re: (Score:1)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:1)
Re: (Score:2)
This means that while it is perfectly possible in theory for soldiers to charge batteries by running around, they will have to exert that extra energy themselves.
Not true! All you gotta do is, give the troops the kind of shoes I'm wearing to work today, and then carpet bomb (heh heh) the entire battle zone with bits of the same carpet we have here at the office. I tell you, I have plenty of power at my fingertips (zapouch), and I don't feel one bit tired. It even keeps me on my toes, one might say.
Now say after me...you missed the point (Score:1)
Where does it say that the suits/shirts will require more movement? Most people move on a regular basis...just suppose for a moment that this includes those in the military. You see they already move and would
Re: (Score:2)
The first law of thermodynamics states
Now just stop it right there. I understand you're super hyped about quoting something from your physics textbook to try to make TFA seem ridiculous, but just simmah down a second. Soldiers already have to run/march all over the place and they do a lot of moving around. Provided this shirt (read "shirt" not "cumbersome bodysuit") doesn't impair their movement any more than the rest of their equipment (or if it impairs them negligibly) then yes this is basically while not necessarily "free" energy it's "rid
Styling (Score:5, Funny)
If not, I'm not interested.
Clap if you love Dynamo! (Score:1)
Particularly when they don't make him waterproof.
Re: (Score:2)
Misplaced Investment? (Score:1)
Re: (Score:1)
Re: (Score:1)
Re: (Score:2)
Ask any Grunt... (Score:4, Funny)
Just for those of you that may not be familiar with the term: Grunt [wikipedia.org]
Re: (Score:2)
Then of course we h
So we're buying NEW stuff now? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re: (Score:1)
Re: (Score:1, Interesting)
(At least in my eyes) Australia is fairly well-respected in the international community, and doesn't have any highly lucrative natural resources -- it's also completely surrounded by water. In fact, I'd peg a stable government and an educated populace as being its two greatest assets. You'd be absolutely daft to seriously consider going to war with Australia. You'd have very little to g
Re: (Score:2, Informative)
Most of the exportable metals, plus coal, coal and more coal.
We've also got the oil and natural gas reserves in Bass Strait.
Oh and strangely enough Fosters beer. Why you overseas people drink it, we'll never understand.
Re: (Score:3, Informative)
Re: (Score:1)
Re: (Score:2)
Alberta Oilsands (and many other oil projects), Potable Water, precious metals, etc. Seems like oil is popular these days and there are predictions that water will become more popular than oil in the future. Besides we need water to produce cold, crisp, canadian beer.
Re: (Score:2)
Because it's a different beer. Up until the 70s, fosters was available imported (and mainly drunk by Australian ex-pats, before the brand became rejected in Australia), but later on, Courage decided to use the brand to make the beer in the UK. Alas, they didn't follow the recipe to the letter and made something quite different.
I'd still call it "cooking lager" (you'd hardly use your best lager for cooking),
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:3, Informative)
doesn't have any highly lucrative natural resources
Well I wouldn't say that exactly
http://www.australianminesatlas.gov.au/info/info.jsp [australian...las.gov.au]
Australia has about 5% of the world's EDR of magnesite
Australia has 10% of the worlds EDR of Iron ore
Australia's EDR of industrial diamond 19% of the current World total
Australia's 37% of of worlds EDR of Nickel
The USGS estimate of World gold reserves of 42 000 t was similar to 2005 According to the USGS, South Africa still has the World's largest reserve of gold at 6000 t (14.3% a similar level as in 2005. Acco
Re: (Score:2, Interesting)
"and doesn't have any highly lucrative natural resources"
Who would ever want all that oil, gas, coal, bauxite, various other heavy metals, gold, uranium ( of which we have a lot of), diamonds, pearls right? Some people postulate that war will be waged over the worlds resources one day, why not consider that a point when you have all those people screaming about peak oil. Whether you believe it or not, it only takes for the enemy to believe it.
"it's also completely s
Re: (Score:2)
JTF2 will go in first.
Re: (Score:1)
Re: (Score:1)
Australia is the world's largest exporter of coal (35% of international trade), iron ore, lead, diamonds, rutile, zinc and zirconium, second largest of gold and uranium, and third largest of aluminium.
Infact, although Australia is currently the second largest exporter of uranium it has the worlds largest known reserves, weighing in at about 30%.
At the moment the chances of Australia being invaded are about the same as America or the UK being invaded - next to nothing.
The truth is that the primary role of our armed services has never been defense of the home soil, it has been to take part in overseas wars or peacekeeping missions.
Re: (Score:2)
Hardly. We're in the Axis of Evil that invaded Afghanistan and Iraq. The US, UK and Australia consistently provoke international condemnation by supporting Israel, refusing to ratify Kyoto ( UK is off the hook here ), and 'leading' the war on terror. We're the world's hypocrites. Maybe you feel that other Westerners think highly of Australians, and that might be so, but if you ask people what they think of our foreign policy, it's a radical
Re: (Score:1)
To be fair, there's plenty of late twenty, 30-40 and even 50 year old aircraft in the US military inventory. Sure, most have had their share of upgrades, but they're still doing their job.
Sounds like a great idea, perhaps. (Score:5, Interesting)
My concerns are these.
What's this vest made of? If a trooper takes a bullet through the vest, what type of stuff from the vest is going to follow the bullet into the body?
If this shirt is meant to be worn under armor then what impact does the constraint of being sandwiched between the body and the armor have on the overall effectiveness of the shirt?
If the shirt is meant to be worn over the armor, is there any redundancy to the power generation when the shirt takes a hit? With batteries, the trooper could always ask a buddy for a spare battery. Asking for the shirt from your buddies back, in combat, would probably be looked on negatively.
Re: (Score:1, Interesting)
Re: (Score:2)
Darn, no power. If only I could play some soothing tunes on my iPod to take my mind off my sucking chest wound......
Re: (Score:2)
Just try to taze me, bro! (Score:1)
Surely FRIED... (Score:5, Funny)
Re: (Score:1)
Much better idea (Score:3, Interesting)
Re: (Score:1)
Better idea for which side? (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Ouch! That would be uncomfortable. Also you won't get much light in your pants even if you think the sun shines out of your arse.
Oh... you mean the helmets on their heads? Never mind.
-Stor
fremen (Score:3, Interesting)
Seriously though, if we colonise mars, they will be more then interesting, they may well be essential.
Frank Herbert had way more right than people realise. Except for the spice thing, but if I have this right, in his original musings on the story, spice wasn't as important, and it was Stilgar, not Paul Atraides who was to be the major character.
whoops, mistake in post (Score:2)
Re: (Score:1)
Re: (Score:2)
In fact a great deal of the Dune story takes place without mentioning spice at all. In later books it it little more then a luxury item, only used by the spacing guild for anything serious. It's only of primary importance in book one.
Re: (Score:2)
Afaict the main ways in which the body loses water are breathing and sweating,
I would imagine if you could keep the body cool enough to avoid sweating and condensed the moisture from breathing out you would probablly gain not lose water (remember respiration converts carbohydrates and oxygen into water and CO2 from your system).
the real problem as I see it is how to get r
It's just a vibrator in reverse (Score:2)
Let me guess... (Score:2)
oh, this is brill (Score:2)
You may laugh but... (Score:1)
Just don't let them go swimming wearing that.
Powered Combat Vest (Score:1)
They should talk to these guys (Score:2)
What happens... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re: (Score:1)
Another feature (Score:2, Interesting)
Office use? (Score:2)
Damn I wanted a Lighting Shi(eld)rt (Score:1)
Halo (Score:1)
perhaps Dr Freeman's suit in HL 2....
Uhh.. a comment like this makes me think I gotta quit playing games for awhile.
Reeediculous, if you do the math (Score:2)
First let's estimate how much of your body motion you would not mind having drained off. Let's say you're walking, that takes about 0.05 horsepower. Let's assume you would not mind having some VERY STIFF pants that siphon off 10% of your walking power. That's 0.005 of a horsepower.
Then let's assume that the motion sensors are 20% efficient, which is rather high for your typ
Re: (Score:2)
Ceasefire, ceasefire, ceasefire! (Score:2)
AC/DC (Score:1)
Sargeant: I don't know what could be wrong, sir. We just gave them these new shirts so they don't even have to carry their batteries anymore.