Robotic Presence For a Telecommuter 186
McGregorMortis writes "Ivan lives in Halifax, Nova Scotia, and telecommutes to work in Waterloo, Ontario. But in meetings, speaker-phones suck: can't hear everybody, can't move around, no visual contact. So Ivan made an IvanAnywhere robot to give him a physical presence in the office. If Ivan wants to talk to a coworker, he just steers radio-controlled IvanAnywhere into that person's office for a chat."
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Yes, and this would also maximize the synergy attainable by duplicating the essence of the human-to-human interaction that is achieved through the actual presence of the employees on the company premises, thus optimizing the efficiency
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"How exactly is this different from calling someone up ? (Except for visual contact )
Chatting in the lunch room? Joining a conversation already happening - in the lunch room?
Most people don't call someone else to say the same joke that they call over the cubicle walls, and this helps people get to know each other, and work together. BTW the idea for this robot started as a joke just like this.
Oh, and the visual contact matters a lot - as TFA said, seeing what others scribbled on the whiteboard.
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Not to mention why would you have an excuse to be steering your robot around the lunch room or water cooler anyway? It's not like the robot can actually drink that water to quench your thirst across the country. So basically you'd take your normal RL breaks to eat or get a coffee in your home, then _also_ spend some time steering the robot around the
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For a company where all employees (or just a majority) telecommute, this robot is pointless - for the reasons you stated. A virtual world makes more sense - or simply videoconferencing. This is good for one or two telecommuters and a bunch of people at the office. It makes a lot of sense for that.
Your excuse for steering the robot around? Sure the robot doesn't drink water - but your co-workers do, and you need to interact with them to do your job effectively. You don't drive your robot around to tell a joke any more than you walk across the building to tell a joke. but if a joke comes to mind, and he just happens to be walking by.... Conversations that wouldn't have otherwise happened occur, and important stuff gets said.
"What he's doing there is nothing more than adding a robot to move the camera and screen around. It's solving a problem we had already solved, and adding an unnecessary layer to it.
Only, you see, videoconferencing didn't work well enough, and allowing the camera and screen to move, that worked better. A cheap webcam at every PC? And the lunchroom, and the hallway, and the conference room, with screens to match? The robot is cheaper, less invasive of privacy, and works better.
What (else) does the robot add? instead of calling you and instantly getting your #@$% voicemail, I can go find you and chat with Joe along the way, which I would never have done otherwise. Maybe Joe then tells me something important too, or I can help him.
It almost sounds to me like the reason you see no use for this robot, is because you see no use for talking to your co-workers without an issue to discuss. You aren't the manager by chance are you?
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Let's put it this way (Score:4, Insightful)
Now I can understand that when it just happens naturally and unplanned. Say you just needed a cup of coffee, Joe was at the coffee machine, a conversation just started while waiting your turn. Fine. I can't ask you to sit at your desk and dehydrate, if you need a coffee, can I?
But here you're telling me no less than that you'd take that robot for a stroll for the _sole_ reason that there might be a Joe along the way in a mood to talk. I.e., planned, deliberate, doing anything else than working in that time.
Yes, team bonding, social experience, team members getting used to each other, bla, bla, bla. I've heard all that before. Repeatedly. I'll even tell you from whom: the most unproductive parasites on every team. There's always someone who has a good reason as to why he's somewhere else than at his workstation, chatting about his vacation. Again. For half the freaking day. The problem is that these people rarely contribute much to the team anyway. By their theory they should be the damn glue and life of the team, but in practice they're the guy who just doesn't have the personality type to sit and program. And it's the rest of us who get to pick the slack and do his work too. Worse yet, most of them don't just waste their own time, they go waste someone else's time too.
Now I'm not accusing you of being that kind of type, because I don't even know you. I can't make an informed judgment. So I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you're just excited about the nerdy part of building a robot, and are willing to rationalize it to extremes. Or whatever else. I'll give you that benefit of the doubt. But if I were to take at face value that you actually do take strolls through the company just because someone might be along the way who's willing to chat, well, then see the above paragraph.
You'd be surprised how little socializing on the employer's time is actually required for that team to work. No, I'm not saying you shouldn't talk to your co-workers at all, far from it. I'm saying that if you have to take a trip for the sole reason that you might meet someone to talk to, that's already too much. You already have meetings with those co-workers, you already talk to them about work-related stuff, etc, and there's nothing stopping you from doing more socializing after work on your own free time. (I've been to pizza or to a pub after work with my co-worker several times this summer alone.) You know those guys already. Taking an extra socializing break will add at most a little delta to that.
If your team was dysfunctional without those long strolls to find someone to talk to, then it will be just as dysfunctional (if not more) with everyone taking strolls around and talking about their vacation.
And, oh, if stuff that's _important_ or needs your _help_ actually depends on the chance of you meeting Joe randomly at the water cooler, I'd say your company has a bigger problem already. In any sane place, if Joe needs your help, he'd have a better way to contact you. If projects or continued business actually depend on that kind of random chances, I'd start worrying and post my resume on Monster in advance. Because at some point some shit is gonna hit the fan just because Joe went to the coffee machine half an hour too late.
I'm not a manager, but I don't take that as a insult either. Especially in this context. If any manager wanted to protest against someone's deliberately going for a time wasting trip instead of working, dunno, I might even like that manager.
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That said, hmm, what would I say? "Go back to work," most likely.
See, just for the sake of ruining a good joke, the first couple of messages for today were written at home, the one you answer to was written during the break (I have to take at least 30 minutes break daily, and there's not much more to do in that area), and this one is written at home again.
(Now, mind you, you could make a good point as to why the heck am I here first thing after entering my home.
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Downside, I'll have to work longer on some other day(s) to get the monthly total right. It's called flex-time. (And admittedly my version of it is pretty chaotic
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Do you actually telecommute full time? Or are you blowing it out your hole because you like to type?
Telecommuting full time isn't like staying home a day or two a week. It's much more disconnected. We're not talking about the social aspects of working (although that's part of it--part of what you do at work is reinforce your opinions of those you work with, and read their opinions of you. It's too bad you've missed this--but it doesn't surprise me, you don't exactly sound like a 'thinker'); we're talking
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And you must be, because you can't make your point without an ad-hominem, right? Everyone who doesn't see things your way, is obviously not a thinker, right? Heh.
That said, while, no, _I_ don't telecommute:
A) I do work with people who do, and
B) I have to work more loosely with people who are in offices in the other end of the town, or in another town completely. You know, large companies aren't all concentrated in one office. So in all resp
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If properly used, IM is extremely effective at enabling actual work -- The problem is that many/most people don't know how to use it. My current boss is a good example of this, you'll rarely get more then a couple sentences out of him before he wants to switch to phone, which ties him to his d
Re:Erm... (Score:5, Funny)
We did already try using an AIBO and putting it on the table in our conference room, it was rather amusing, and also worked well (they have a speaker, camera and Wi-Fi built in, so you can control it and talk through it, was pretty cool). Shame that one of the managers just left it lying on its charger for 2 years and knackered the battery.. he should have just given it to me to take home!
Ob-joke (Score:2)
He needs Old Glory Insurance. [youtube.com]
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We'd save a lot more energy spent commuting.
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Video conferencing no use? (Score:5, Interesting)
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Oddly enough this is discussed in the article:
The robot's coming-out party, and his first voyage off the third floor, came at a co-worker's anniversary celebration in late May.
Some iAnywhere employees who had not been privy to IvanAnywhere's development were shocked to find a computer-on-a-stick hobnobbing with the guests.
"There were a few people who thought this was just freaky," Paulley says. "They were a little taken aback and didn't quite believe
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Now, if this robot would do the chit-chat and socializing stuff for you autonomously and then report to you the relevant information, that would be a feature.
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Your plastic pal who's fun to be with! (Score:2)
Now, if this robot would do the chit-chat and socializing stuff for you autonomously and then report to you the relevant information, that would be a feature.
Yeah, but what if your robot takes the socialising too far and it turns out it had an affair with one of your co-workers? You get fired over something your robot slave did, and *he* was the one who actually got to sleep with her.
:-)
Though if the co-worker is a robot too, that might not be such a loss; well, unless you're the stereotypical Slashdotter, that is
Re:Video conferencing no use? (Score:5, Funny)
Here, let me draw you a picture of the pertinent bits: I could probably care less about the gossip, but it would require a conscious effort, and I don't really care, so...
Anyway, back to surfing bad ASCII pr0n!
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4. A robot is never allowed in the bathroom.
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"There were a few people who thought this was just freaky," Paulley says. "They were a little taken aback and didn't quite believe themselves that this was actually Ivan, and he was actually there."
Maybe because it isn't actually him. It's a cardboard box on wheels, obviously taped together. Perhaps some production value would make this less invasive. A fictional example that comes to mind and should be viable in RL are the video conference screens in Demolition Man. My thoughts are that it gives a physical prescence to an individual and could easily be modified to be mobile.
While this doesn't strike me as a practical solution for long-term vocational use, I can see some application for people wh
Why don't they share? (Score:2)
"Meanwhile, other telecommuting employees at iAnywhere, a subsidiary of Sybase Inc., have expressed interest in getting their own robots,"
Can't they share? Wouldn't that be easier than having those things crashing into each other all the time?
I like the 'robot' anyway, sounds like a good solution.
Re:Why don't they share? (Score:5, Interesting)
Sadly my suggestion for renting a virtual meeting room in Sauron's tower (in Lord of the Rings Online) was voted down. Oh well...
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If everyone is going to have one of those robots, why not have virtual robots? In other words, an avatar in a virtual environment. That's precicely what I am involved in at the moment; we're experimenting with virtual conferences in (please don't laugh) Second Life. Our initial take on it is that virtual meetings are not as good as actually being there, but they are a damn sight better than teleconferencing (which sits way down on the list somewhere between getting a root canal treatment, and dropping a kitchen knife on your bare foot pointy side down). They also give much more of a sense of "presence" than videoconferencing. Plus, they allow for teambuilding events as well.
I'm not sure if I'm mature enough to handle that sort of thing. The moment the marketing people joined the room, I think I'd go Leroy Jenkins on their asses.
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I'm sorry, but it's just not possible to accommodate your request there.
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On the other hand... robot wars...
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Wow, shame I've already alienated my co-workers (Score:2)
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"Looks like somebody gets a snow day"
Fun and non-productive uses for this: (Score:5, Funny)
Anyone else some suggestions?
Re:Fun and non-productive uses for this: (Score:5, Funny)
Btw, the captcha for this message was "wasted". Did the server already know what I was about to post when I clicked Reply?
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Re:Fun and non-productive uses for this: (Score:5, Funny)
2 - Bite my shiny metal ass!
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How about: 2 - Bite my shiny metal ass!
Someone ought to get the robot one of the T-shirts with that... just for casual Fridays, of course.
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(Waving robotic arms in air) "Warning! Warning! Danger! Danger!"
Good application for iRobot Create (Score:3, Interesting)
There's even the PackBot model for dealing with people who have really, really messy offices, but that's probably out of my price range.
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Actually, I've always figured that any telepresense robot I'd care to use would HAVE TO HAVE some form of manipulator arm. It wouldn't need too much freedom of movement - just enough to allow me to give any system in the computer room the old "single finger salute".
Of course, put a proper arm on there, and you can plug and unplug stuff. mmmm remote BOFH
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(disclaimer: I work for the company that makes those.)
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Big deal (Score:2, Interesting)
Low tech solution (Score:2)
Many leave them there overnight.
In the case of at least one chair-with-a-jacket I suspect the occupant left the companies employ quite some time ago, but no one has yet noticed.
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Let me know.. (Score:2)
Stop teleworking dude (Score:2)
Not the only one... (Score:2)
Visitors (Score:4, Interesting)
What does the robot do when Ivan goes to the toilet? Does it hang out in the mens room? Actually, I've had meetings in there. They're short and don't involve a lot of paperwork. And no bloody Powerpoint.
Re:Visitors (Score:4, Funny)
Well maybe, but next time, please lock the door before you begin your "meeting". And perhaps you could use a bit more "paperwork" to clean up afterwards. The rest of us don't want to think about your "Powerpoint", bloody or otherwise...
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Wow meetings must get violent where you work. I never seen a powerpoint meeting get tot he point where it got bloody. hurt feelings when everyone laughs at a stupid idea, sure. but never to the point where we started pounding on each other until blood got on the screen.
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Bowman, eh? (Score:3, Funny)
Old fashioned (Score:4, Funny)
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A great way to separate dull people and nerds (Score:3, Funny)
A robot with a screen and speakers is not very different than a real human (you can guess how I see humans and how much I value social contact, can't you?) and in fact sometimes you may prefer to interact with the robot rather than the actual person (especially if your coworkers are dull). Perhaps robots like this will encourage companies to send all dull people out of office and let their robots at the office, or (preferably) send the nerds at their homes. Either way will increase productivity, as mixing nerds and dull people in the same group is not a way to work harmoniously:
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Oblig (Score:2)
If your job requires more direct contact... (Score:3, Insightful)
Telecommuting jobs work the best when you don't need to be physically colocated to be productive. If face to face (or face to robot) is really that necessary, and telephone or videocam conversations don't cut it (I'm presuming a webcam for cube-to-remote-cube talking to add those all important hand gestures), you should be actually going to work rather than staying at home.
Oh, and for those who might point out that Halifax is too far from Ontario, might I suggest either (a) finding a new home closer to your job or (b) finding a new job closer to your home. If those are impossible, perhaps (c) finding a new line of work should be a consideration. Remember, there's no god-given right to work in your preferred field, where you want to live, at a compensation rate you find appealing. Life is, as your parents told you many times, not fair.
(FWIW, I chose "where to live" and "money that is accpetable" over "ideal career" and I'm darned happy with it. Low crime, 1 mile commute, good schools, low cost of living and beautiful scenery seemed a good trade for designing buildings instead of space experiments.)
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Working on high frequency analog electronics would make telecommuting rather difficult, but I really love that job, partly because it doesn't involve much face-to-face.
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I'm not sure about you, but those hand gestures are usually the cause of the office drama and pink slips.
And sometimes the result of said drama and pink slips...
whose idea is this? (Score:2)
Jimmy James did it over a DECADE ago on News Radio (Score:2)
Dupes of older stories is one thing.
Dupes of mid-90s sit-coms is something else entirely...
crotch-height? (Score:2)
I wouldn't like to ahve someone talk to my private parts, and I guess now he can be sued by women for constantly staring at their sexually reproductive organs.
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My Vision for the Future (Score:2)
Reminds me of a book I read yonks ago (Score:2)
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Ah yes, the Danny Dunn books... Actually, for juveniles, they were rather better done with *real* science, instead of this Jimmy Neutron crap.
Yeah, that sounds like the right name. There was another set of books I simply cannot remember the names of that were quite good, I want to call it science squad or something. Basically it was a group of kids using technical wizardry to solve mysteries and prank the adults of their town, usually pranking the adults. The story I remember the best is this one where they took an old store mannequin and rigged it up atop a tall store downtown. Everybody thinks it's a jumper and so they're trying to talk him d
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Better Name: IvanaGoAnywhere (Score:2)
Features... (Score:2)
Little desk? (Score:2)
Better name ... (Score:2)
Only responds to the command, "Barada nikto!"
ten year old science fiction--Einsteins Bridge (Score:2)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0380788314/ref=si
Cardboard? (Score:2)
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Avoid travel too (Score:2)
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