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HDMI-Enabled Graphics Cards Debut 235

TrackinYeti writes "HDMI (High Definition Multimedia Interface), is the first industry supported digital-only interface, that requires a single cable to connect an output source to an HD-ready device, such as a television or monitor and deliver HD video, plus multi-channel digital audio, like Dolby Digital and DTS. Recently, Asus Computer released versions of their GeForce 7600 and Radeon X1600 cards with HDMI outputs on them, driven by an on-board Sil1930 controller. These are some of the first graphics cards to hit the market that can output HDMI natively with an integrated HDCP cipher engine and support HD-audio as well. Just the thing for that HTPC?"
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HDMI-Enabled Graphics Cards Debut

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  • by Danathar ( 267989 ) on Tuesday March 13, 2007 @08:45AM (#18330547) Journal
    I'm building a dedicated home theater in my basement. When it's done I'd like to be able to play a videogame (shooter or driving game) in the dedicated room. VGA cables lose signal strength over distances and cause ghosting.
  • Why HD? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Paulrothrock ( 685079 ) on Tuesday March 13, 2007 @08:55AM (#18330623) Homepage Journal

    I would rather the studios get cracking on some good content rather than having us watch the same, boring, stale content in OMG U CAN SEE THER POREZORS!1!!one! I get more entertainment value out of my free podcasts than out of my television. The content is stuff I actually care about, and while the production value isn't always the greatest it's almost always worth the price of bandwidth. And I can watch or listen to them at work.

    And the worst part is that when the studios make good content, it's canceled or sunk very quickly. Most people have probably never heard of Idiocracy, but everyone I've heard who's seen it says it's awesome, but it only ran for one weekend in 8 theaters because some exec got scared because it made fun of all the idiots of the world. And then there's Firefly, and Dr. Who, and Torchwood, which got shown out of order and canceled, butchered unrecognizably to add commercials, and completely ignored respectively.

    To put it another way: I don't see any reason I should upgrade to HD just so I can get the MPAA regulating what I watch or be able to see the blades of grass on the field where millionaires in tights jump on each other.

  • Buying one (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 13, 2007 @08:58AM (#18330647)
    is a fool's errand. The defectivebydesign groups think you're a ravenous consumer-zombie frothing at the mouth for the mere chance to part with cash for a product you know full well restricts your freedom. In fact, they're betting on your television addiction to be so out-of-balance with life that you'll literally imprison yourself in their DRM schemes.

    I would remind those of you who do not live solely for the chance to see P. Diddy in high definition to vote with your wallets.

    Slow adoption sends the message we do not want defective products.
  • Bad Marketing (Score:2, Insightful)

    by BennyB2k4 ( 799512 ) on Tuesday March 13, 2007 @09:00AM (#18330667)
    Why aren't these cards passively cooled? They're a generation old anyways. If they're marketing it for HTPC, then they missed a big selling feature.
  • Exactly (Score:5, Insightful)

    by cyclomedia ( 882859 ) on Tuesday March 13, 2007 @09:01AM (#18330673) Homepage Journal
    I'm the proud owner of a toddler, and try as i might occasionally the little bugger will without doubt get her hands on a shiny disc, perhaps accidentally left in the DVD player overnight and she chewed on the remote i accidentally left on the sofa and nibbled the eject button. anyway, you can be careful but hey, i'm only human right.

    Otherwise she might be ill and not feeling up to her usual daily routine of running around the park/garden/trashing-the-house generally so we stick on a bunch of disney/animal films and play them whilst she's chilling out on the sofa and she slyly grabs one whilst i pop the the kitchen to fetch some kiddy medicine.

    wouldnt it be nice if i could play backups of my original copies, and not have to worry if that happens.

    of course one day i'd like the ubiqutous server-under-the-stairs but in the mean time i'd rather not have to fork out another £20 quid because the only PHYSICAL COPY of the movie who's CONTENTS i purchased the RIGHTS TO WATCH got used as a teething ring.
  • by vivaoporto ( 1064484 ) on Tuesday March 13, 2007 @09:10AM (#18330781)
    Yet another step towards "trusted" (treacherous) computing [gnu.org]. A small part of the article:

    Who should your computer take its orders from? Most people think their computers should obey them, not obey someone else. With a plan they call "trusted computing", large media corporations (including the movie companies and record companies), together with computer companies such as Microsoft and Intel, are planning to make your computer obey them instead of you. (...)

    Proprietary software means, fundamentally, that you don't control what it does;(...) It's not surprising that clever businessmen find ways to use their control to put you at a disadvantage.(...) These malicious features are often secret, but even once you know about them it is hard to remove them, since you don't have the source code.

    In the past, these were isolated incidents. "Trusted computing" would make it pervasive. "Treacherous computing" is a more appropriate name, because the plan is designed to make sure your computer will systematically disobey you. In fact, it is designed to stop your computer from functioning as a general-purpose computer. Every operation may require explicit permission.

    The technical idea underlying treacherous computing is that the computer includes a digital encryption and signature device, and the keys are kept secret from you. Proprietary programs will use this device to control which other programs you can run, which documents or data you can access, and what programs you can pass them to. These programs will continually download new authorization rules through the Internet, and impose those rules automatically on your work. If you don't allow your computer to obtain the new rules periodically from the Internet, some capabilities will automatically cease to function.

    Read the rest in the above linked article. It is an interesting reading, even for the ones familiar with it, as we march slowly and steady to the worst case scenario predicted there.
  • by Paulrothrock ( 685079 ) on Tuesday March 13, 2007 @09:13AM (#18330821) Homepage Journal

    That's all well and good, but if the content is going to be bad, no amount of high definition will fix it.

  • by prefect42 ( 141309 ) on Tuesday March 13, 2007 @09:19AM (#18330863)
    Buy better cables. Seriously. We've run high res stereo graphics over long runs of high quality cabling (BNC connectors, 3 core (sync-on-green) nearly an inch across with all the shielding and damn heavy) and the losses aren't visible. DVI is only 15ft with standard spec cabling (although you can beat that) but HDMI should go further. Time will tell.
  • by oliverthered ( 187439 ) <oliverthered&hotmail,com> on Tuesday March 13, 2007 @09:21AM (#18330883) Journal
    While others have been waiting for a format that wasn't crippled in the first place.
  • What's the deal? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by iolaus ( 704845 ) on Tuesday March 13, 2007 @09:21AM (#18330885) Homepage
    Man, Looks like all the posts so far are gripes! I for one am really excited about this. I've been waiting for a next-gen video card I can use in my HTPC. Not only will the 7600GT based card be able to handle decoding HD video (see articles regarding new Blu-Ray/HD-DVD backup ability) but it will also be able to transmit 8 channels of full quality digital sound. And all this with only one cable to go from my PC to my receiver. Finally, this opens up the possibility of using Vista's new digital room correction capabilities without having to do a digital-to-analog conversion on the PC just to get the processed sound to your receiver. All good things in my book.
  • by Lumpy ( 12016 ) on Tuesday March 13, 2007 @09:31AM (#18331013) Homepage
    Funny I run them 100+ feet all the time. I even use Cat-5 cable and dont get ghosting or smearing. Maybe if you bought the right equipment for extending the signal you would not have problems.

    My longest run was 350 feet without any problems, but that was on a smallish screen, only 13 feet across.
  • by westlake ( 615356 ) on Tuesday March 13, 2007 @09:39AM (#18331119)
    I can't imagine using a remote mouse/keyboard to play an FPS on a TV, especially if you have an SO or friends over. How boring.

    Xbox 360 Controller for Windows [joystiq.com]

  • by cf18 ( 943501 ) on Tuesday March 13, 2007 @09:41AM (#18331135)
    Sigh... All the new features, untested. Do the audio passthrough work? Any audio lag? Do this whole HDCP bullshit actually works and let you play your HD-DVD through PC to your HDMI+HDCP TV? Can it scale anything to 1080P properly?

    Instead they go through another boring loop of 3D benchmarks. I hate these two-bit hardware sites that only knows how to overclock and run benchmarks.
  • Re:Exactly (Score:5, Insightful)

    by mrchaotica ( 681592 ) * on Tuesday March 13, 2007 @10:11AM (#18331575)

    AnyDVD (for disney CP) + DVD Decryptor + Auto GK.

    That's not the point! The point is that we shouldn't have to break the law to use the media we legally purchased!

  • by TemporalBeing ( 803363 ) <bm_witness@@@yahoo...com> on Tuesday March 13, 2007 @10:20AM (#18331731) Homepage Journal
    If you really care about stopping DRM, then DO NOT BUY THESE CARDS! HDCP is DRM at its worst and will not let you show certain content on non-HDCP enable devices. So, if you really do care about DRM and stopping it, and all, then DO NOT BUY THESE CARDS! Show them that we, the customer, do not want DRM.
  • Re:Hmm (Score:2, Insightful)

    by tompatman ( 936656 ) <tompatman@gmail.com> on Tuesday March 13, 2007 @10:50AM (#18332153)
    I don't understand why this comment is moderated insightful. If you don't like the DRM thrown on top of HD content and choose not to use any of it because of that, that is your choice, but do you think they will invent a new DRM free standard when this standard has already caught on? It's here to stay and you will have to go out of your way to avoid it in another couple of years. From what I can tell, it's not broken by design since the cable/satellite companies are making plenty of $$ by delivering HD content and leasing HD/DVRs and the television manufactures are also making $$ selling HDTVs. From a business standpoint, what exactly is broken?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 13, 2007 @11:07AM (#18332537)
    you're a fucking moron. What kind of cock sucker places constraints on himself like that? I suppose you never plan to be alone then again in your life? Wow somebody felt abandoned as a child...

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