Data Storing Bacteria Could Last Millennia 252
PetManimal writes "Computerworld has a story about a new technology developed by Keio University researchers that creates artificial bacterial DNA that can carry more than 100 bits of data within the genome sequence. The researchers claimed that they encoded "e= mc2 1905!" on the common soil bacteria, Bacillius subtilis. The bacteria-based data storage method has backup and long-term archival functionality." The researchers say "While the technology would most likely first be used to track medication, it could also be used to store text and images for many millennia, thwarting the longevity issues associated with today's disk and tape storage systems ... The artificial DNA that carries the data to be preserved makes multiple copies of the DNA and inserts the original as well as identical copies into the bacterial genome sequence. The multiple copies work as backup files to counteract natural degradation of the preserved data, according to the newswire. Bacteria have particularly compact DNA, which is passed down from generation to generation. The information stored in that DNA can also be passed on for long-term preservation of large data files."
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Talk about an interesting way to sneak information out of a company/country... transcribe it into the DNA of an infectious bacteria or virus, and then infect yourself with it. You walk out the door with a sniffle and 10 million dollars worth in classified secrets.
"New company policy is no isolinear chips, holocubes, or antiquated 'flash' drives on the campus. Additionally, all employees must submit to a biological cleansing and surrender their belongings for baryon sweeping before leaving the building."
At least they might cure the common cold as I side effect to preventing data theft.
Can't stop data already. (Score:5, Insightful)
You can fit an awful lot of data in something the size of a Tylenol gel-cap, and aside from the unpleasant recovery aspect, nothing less than a X-ray is going to detect that (maybe not even an X-ray, if you were careful about the components used). Of course, your digestive system only gives you a window of opportunity measured in (at most) days; if you wanted to go longer than that, you're talking about implants. But that would get you through most transit checkpoints.
I'm not really even sure this is a new development: spies and other folks with resources have had microfiche and microdots for years. Cement one of those to your nether regions, or swallow one, and it would take a pretty determined search to turn one up. Or if you wanted, you could probably even sprinkle them over an unwitting mule's clothes, and then recover one on the opposite end.
It doesn't seem like data theft is really something that you can realistically try to stop at any border, anymore. If someone has the data in a format that they can load on their person and take to the border, it's gone. If you can get a person across, you can get data across. Certainly if you are allowed to take any type of electronics, it should be considered information-porus; there are so many ways to disguise information using steganography, that it's not practical to try and sanitize it.
Certainly by the time that biological information storage becomes widely practical, all but the most backwards nations and companies will have realized that stopping the flow of information with physical checkpoints at the border is a losing game. At best, you might be able to make it a little easier or harder, but real information security depends on limiting hostile parties' access to information in the first place, not trying to limit their transportation of it afterwards.
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Talk about an interesting way to sneak information out of a company/country... transcribe it into the DNA of an infectious bacteria or virus, and then infect yourself with it. You walk out the door with a sniffle and 10 million dollars worth in classified secrets."
Vergil I. Ulam did this in Greg Bear's "Blood Music"
It brought about the end of the world.
Read it. Really good. Trust me.
*bmo goes out to buy sunlamps*
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BMO
Mankind (Score:5, Insightful)
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(compared to a gigabyte hard drive which is 2^8000000000 potential values)
Not much storage capacity.
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Sera
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T = 00
C = 01
A = 10
G = 11
(the paired base on the other DNA strand doesn't add any information, of course, since its identity is specified by its partner).
In fact, 2 bit binary formats are commonly used to represent large DNA sequences in a compact way, as in UCSC's
http://genome.ucsc.edu/FAQ/FAQformat#format7 [ucsc.edu]
This makes (e.g.) whole human genome BLAT alignment searches mana
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This DNA modification sounds scary though. Are we not going to unleash a superbug when we cause an encoding error while trying to write Grandma's canning process on bacteria?
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Friend #1: "Dude, I was hungry, so I helped myself to your yogurt."
Friend #2: "Dude, you just ate my porn collection!"
Shareware (Score:5, Funny)
It's also not a bad way to distribute movies. Let the RIAA sue a bunch of bugs for file sharing.
And windows could be distibuted on anthrax bacteria, so users would learn to be appropriately wary.
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And note that I will happily download BacteriaTorrent as soon as I can be sure I only get movies and not some awful flesh-eating disease that makes me look like an RIAA executive, or maybe Jack Thompson.
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That would explain AOL CDs.
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Of course, it evolves to benefit its host species' reproduction. I'm not exactly sure what implications that would have for a word processor.
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Virus (Score:2)
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"You _will_ be sued..."
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Longevity Issues (Score:2)
What about the longevity issues associated with the readers?
Re:Longevity Issues (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Longevity Issues (Score:5, Interesting)
Actually, genetic sequences which are irrelevant to the survival of the entity (as these sequences presumably are) spread through a population and thus are preserved. It is not as rapid as if it provided a benefit, but they spread nonetheless. In a 5th year AI class I actually did experiments with evolutionary computation, looking at genetic changes which had no affect on the fitness of the individuals. The purpose of the experiments was actually to explore whether variation in a population, even if it didn't have any effect of the fitness of the individuals, was a good thing (basically) -turns out it is. But I also learned that even without selection pressure, mutations/new genetic information, spreads (actually rather quickly) through a population.
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Adaptively neutral DNA doesn't exist (Score:2)
Yes in a computer system you can make genes that are truly adaptively neutral. Even so they are subject to genetic drift.
But in a biological system the organism must expend energy to maintain and duplicate DNA. Therefore every codon has a small but implicit fitness cost. If the benefit of the gene does not overcome the fitness cost of carrying it around and copying it, natural selection will quickly eliminate it.
Junk DNA isn't "junk". It has a purpose, otherwise we would hav
Antibiotic Resistance? (Score:2)
Great, it isn't bad enough that the overuse of antibiotics has created resistant strains of bacteria; now we're creating them on purpose to store computer data. Am I the only one who thinks that's a bad idea?
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Re:Longevity Issues (Score:5, Informative)
Re:So use PAR2 then (Score:5, Interesting)
Indeed. Parchive [wikipedia.org] uses Reed-Solomon error correction [wikipedia.org] to create redundant data so that if you have one block of such data, you can use it to correct any single corrupted block in the source data.
It is also used in e.g. RAID-5 and CDs (ever wondered why you can make a long scratch and it still plays correctly?)
The article only talks about multiple copies of the original data, but I wouldn't be surprised if the scientists actually use a Reed-Solomon implementation for redundancy.
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Actually (audio) CDs don't have much for error correction at all; they use interleaving and interpolation to play even badly scratched CDs. Data CDs, as you point out, do indeed have significant amounts of error correction data encoded onto the disc.
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It's not enough to store the data, you also have to make the data recognizable.
So true! And the prerequisite to looking for recognizable data is the recognition that such data might be present.
Which is only now public.
So how long will it be before someone claims that some common sequence in human junk DNA is actually the copyright notice for the species?
Disclaimer: this isn't an original thought. I came across something like this in an SF novel years ago, but I don't recall the author. Phillip K Dick? Connie Willis? Hmmm, it's odd to see those two names next to each other...
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Or something like that. I might not be the best at futuristic thrillers.
Bacteria? Are you kidding me? (Score:5, Informative)
Obligatory comment (Score:5, Funny)
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- I suppose this would give a new meaning to 'core dump'.
- 2000 flushes: The blue clean of death
Ok, that's all the programming toilet jokes I can think of. Somebody do some better ones. I can't think tonight.
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- Being infected with a Virus gets a new meaning
- Virus cleaners need to be Dettol with a swab
- Worms can't infect Bacteria. In fact Bacteria can infect worms to carry messages
- The word "operating environment" takes a whole new meaning
- Google will have 1.3 million cubic feet of... "bacteria" with some dying and others being grown.
- Shipment of bacteria memories across borders will require truckers to have Biological warfare certificates and Bio-Suits...
- My USB drive can glow in th
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Overwriting? (Score:5, Insightful)
I mean, there are plenty of theories about "seeding" of life on earth after all... maybe we already have a wealth of untapped knowledge?
(Personally, I think it's extremely unlikely, but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be prudent to check anyway)
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**Tester** - Speaking into mouse (ala Scottie) - "Computer. Simulate Alan Turing."
**Computer** - "I am Alan Turing, would you like to chat?"
**Tester** - "Are you just a simulation?"
**Computer** - "Depends on what you mean by "just a simulation". Why do you ask?"
**Tester** - "Because it's a test."
**Computer** - "What's a test?"
**Tester** - "This is, it's a Turing test."
**Computer** - "I
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Junk DNA is not CVS (Score:2)
Unfortunately, junk DNA is not a
organic computing (Score:5, Interesting)
who's to say that our bodies/brains aren't some elaborate computer design ala douglas adams' design?
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Nano-technology is the missing link in the current bio-tech field, in my opinion, between the ultimate symbiosis of hardware and human flesh, it will allow us to work at levels far too minute at this point, to make the proper kind of medical advances that would allow effective cohesion of man and machine.
I can't wait for it, even though I hope the day never comes...heh
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Not sure why, but this reminds me of some of my favourite SMAC quotes:
Commissioner Pravin Lal
"Man and Machine"
What difference does it make? (Score:2)
It's interesting that when you apply computer science to biology at their most fundamental levels, you simply confirm the feasibility of solutions long since developed by what we believe to be completely natural evolutionary processes.
The Universe is a giant computer. Or a simulation [simulation-argument.com] running inside another one. Either way, it doesn't matter.
backup corruption? (Score:5, Funny)
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Methinks you're perhaps being a tad overoptimistic, here.
The real problem is that this stuff is being commercially driven, which leads to quarter-by-quarter decisions. The time constant of the equilibrium is more commonly measured in years, if not decades, centuries, or millennia. Therefore a business decision about something with environmental equilibrium implications will quite frequently start out wrong, and only be corrected once the discomfort approaches obvious.
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so... (Score:2)
Bacteriophage (Score:5, Funny)
Obligatory bad virus joke (Score:5, Funny)
Sensitive data storage? (Score:4, Interesting)
This could be great for military/government intelligence archival, or, really, any situation where the data needs to be used once and destroyed.
The longevity, coupled with ease of total erasure, would be great for digital storage of any document with personal information on it, as well. I could see using these discs to submit job/credit/lease applications, recieve bills and in any dealings with the government or IRS. They'll last for as long as needed and can be completely erased before disposal.
If they're rewritable, as well, all temporary storage related to the files on the disc could be placed on the disc as well, completely keeping that sensitive data off of any other, possibly recoverable, media. If this is the case, perhaps, once these become available, any business or govenrment entity storing personal information should be required to store it on these discs and only these discs.
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Yes, the entirity of this post, excepting this line and the first, is entirely speculative; keep that in mind when moderating (insightful?)
Harder to erase than you might think (Score:3, Informative)
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The information is included in the bacteria's DNA. Lysol will kill the bacteria, but leave the DNA intact.
I'm not sure what is in Lysol, but rubbing alcohol will not destroy DNA (at least not initially). Rubbing alcohol is one component in your Kitchen DNA Lab [utah.edu].
goatse (Score:5, Funny)
Imagine a Scientist from the 37th century scanning a particular bacteria's DNA sequence and hit Goatse
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Imagine a Scientist from the 37th century scanning a particular bacteria's DNA sequence and hit Goatse
For all you know, by the 37th Century humans will have evolved freakishly distended assholes, so Goatse will seem normal to them.
Ugh. Can't believe I wrote that. Must remember to tick "Post Anonymously" option...
Wrong (Score:2)
If it's wrong and functional it dies, and only correct copies live on. If it's just data, being wrong does nothing and just keeps degrading further. This is also how we figure out how far distant relatives or species are apart as well, the "junk" DNA will diverge at a fairly steady rate over time.
So, cute trick, but that's all.
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C'mon, give it a fair chance! Let's say that the researchers surround the message in a contiguous block of text meant simpl
not as big as the 80s (Score:4, Funny)
very dangerous (Score:2, Funny)
into "spare" DNA then sooner or later you are going to create a lethal pathogen - purely on the basis
of probablity and statistics.
Of course you can be sure the one that wipes out all life on Earth will turn out to be an Mp3 encoding
of a Britney Spears tune.
Still need to translate the data (Score:2)
Uh oh (Score:3, Funny)
Old news (Score:4, Informative)
Obligatory future conversation (Score:2)
"What! And lose all my data!?"
Compact DNA (Score:5, Interesting)
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Seems to me this is a 3rd rate solution looking for a problem anyway not to mention the fact that since DNA used base 4 why store the data in binary base 2? You're wasting 75% of the storage ability.
Possible abuses? (Score:2)
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I wonder.... (Score:2)
Restoration time (Score:2)
"The bad news is that the flooded data center is covered in black mold. The good news is that the DNA of the mold contains our backup so we'll have the center up and running in a year or two! Less if you're willing to put up with some minor upper respiratory issues."
How much data could you store.. (Score:2, Insightful)
Bacteria diameter: 0.1 micrometer
Sequence ID (SID): 40 bits
Databits (D): 60 bits
Maxstorage: 2^SID*D about 7680 Gigabytes
this is not even pseudoscience..
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New disaster scenario for data... (Score:2)
Evolution of data. (Score:2)
It becomes schlock! [schlockmercenary.com]
OK, that being on topic kind of scared me.
Though most likely used to store (Score:2)
Copying Illegal.
Late but great: (Score:2)
Jaron Lanier already proposed this using... (Score:2)
Anyway Mr. Lanier proposed only party tongue-in-cheek that they encode the data in the most indestuctrable, pervasive, consipcuous organism around (at least in New York)
Information Decay (Score:2)
far reaching implications (Score:2)
Heh Reminds me of... (Score:2)
In a few million years they will become sentient, and very violent.
at last, a use for networked refrigerators! (Score:2)
got that already, all I need is to put the network card in the icemaker slot...
42 (Score:3, Funny)
In Soviet China... (Score:3, Funny)
Brings a new meaning to threats of... (Score:2)
Borges, as always, was there first (Score:2)
Peter
joe davis & dnagraphy (Score:2, Informative)
dont wanna click: here is some nice info about him:
* Expelled from three high schools and two colleges: for writing about atheism, refusing a haircut, making a still (which exploded), being elected student body president on a "free marijuana" platform and working on an underground anti-war newspaper.
* Walked into the M.I.T. Cente
Panspermia (Score:3, Insightful)
I believe you're referring to panspermia, which could have been accidental or deliberate. In the former case, life happens to make it from one habitable environment into another across interplanetary/interstellar distances. A situation analogous to accidental panspermia occurs on earth all the time, when a coconut floats from one island to another, or an insect is blown up in a storm and lands on another continent. For interplanetary cases to be feasible, life needs to be able to make it from, say Earth
Why does everyone love PI? (Score:2)
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Executable data in DNA (Score:2)
And not to worry; we'll have that well cracked soon enough.
First Encoding (Score:3, Funny)
In other news, what was presumed to be junk DNA in the human genome has been decoded. It turns out it contains a message: "Help - I'm trapped in a creature factory."
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