Nokia's Linux-powered N800 Tablet Sneaks Out 107
sjvn writes "Officially, Nokia Inc.'s new Linux-powered N800 Internet Tablet doesn't exist. In reality, it's already for sale in the United States and boasts double the RAM and Flash Memory of its predecessor and it has a faster processor to boot."
Will this replace or compliment? (Score:2)
I hope it brings the 770 price down a touch, its just over my novelty price bracket at the moment.
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Finally... (Score:3, Informative)
I hope it features a powered USB connector (unlike the 770)
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---Dan (ThoughtFix)
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You can use a BlueTooth keyboard, at the expense of battery life. If they made the USB controller act as a "host" (it does not in the 770), you could use a USB keyboard. None included in the package, anyway.
Psion 5 size keyboard? (Score:2)
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Your question is asked anytime this product is mentioned. NO! The second it is a cellphone it will be a closed platform, the cell carriers won't accept an open phone on their networks, period full stop. Use bluetooth to talk to a cellphone to get net or do VoIP via 802.11.
> And keyboards of some kind.
One word, BlueTooth. Really, this is why they invented Bluetooth, so why reinvent the wheel?
> Heck, even a video out por
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> get some sort of serial modem-like interface..
So if you stick a phone and the computer in the same housing but otherwise seperate them they will allow em to share the screen and battery. Wow. If your carrier even allows a phone they didn't sell onto their network... if it is compatible with their network. And when a new high speed service appears you replace bo
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Nokia's market is not limited to north America by any means.
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It's really too bad you don't know [linuxdevices.com] what you're talking about [linuxdevices.com].
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I bought a 770, I spent a lot of money to buy one and what is nokia doing to me? Screwing me royally. There will be no further updates, and the current software has as many bugs in it as the original release. Many releases of code had even more. Nokia themselves aren't even writ
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USB host? (Score:1)
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Of course the socket isn't powered and you need a weirdo adaptor to plug anything in, but it does work.
skip the blogspam (Score:5, Informative)
as the link in the submission doest even have any pics just fluff leading to the real article here (with pics)
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9981902594.htm
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Also, that blogger was playing a video on youtube on his N800 and he said, and I quote, "UPDATE: I forgot to mention that Youtube videos play at a brutal 1 or 2 frames per second. Yu
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Would it be possible to turn the n800 into a passive receiver, all decoding done somewhere on a server and only the frames displayed on the tablet ? =>strong central computer and "passive" receptor... I'm sure I saw it somwhere, maybe in vlc ?
Would be ideal @home where I have some computing power available...
Still no strong IR emitter to turn the tablet into a universal remote... Anyone knows of a 8-10 m
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Reading the article and posts, couple of hours ago, just after submission, I thought this was 'THE ONE TO GO FOR'. Would make my ideal moving maps / GPS platform.
But now having seen the photos, IMHO it's a pretty lousy design. I love the technology behind it, but just the design doesn't appeal to me at all. And you pay big bucks for being an early adopter, so the design better be right.
It has all this rounded off, soft cornered look and feel. Which IMHO doesn't match with the rest o
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Buy one. Buy it today. Buy a bluetooth GPS receiver. Install Maemo-Mapper and configure it to download maps. Happy Happy Joy Joy. Crunch GPS map goodness.
Processor (Score:2)
No Free Power Lunch (Score:4, Insightful)
Do remember that ultraportables deliberately sacrifices performance in favor of battery life. They'll always be inferior to bigger machines in raw processing power.
That said, I would think that a 220 MHz processor would be fine for most Flash presentations. Perhaps the ARM implementation of the plugin is less robust than the Pentium version. Or perhaps you're doing fancy animation that overtaxes the system.
And don't make the usual mistake of fixating on the CPU as the sole provider of application performance. Any application uses many different resources, and a bottleneck in any of them (in graphics applications, it's usually the video adapter, not the CPU) will screw you over.
Re:No Free Power Lunch (Score:5, Informative)
http://mplayer.garage.maemo.org/ [maemo.org]
it is said that it runs 25/30fps when running optimized movies..
(there is a conversion script out there too..)
Tried the script (Score:2)
I can't speak to how good this looks on the device, but it looks ok and sounds ok for TV output on my linux box.
I use ffmpeg to transcode DVDs to mpeg to play on my Treo 650. The Treo is not an ideal platform for video playback.
Completely separate subject, I'm having trouble getting matrixview to work. I think reencoding a video in
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No idea where you might find that...
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Youtube videos run at 1-2 frames per second if that's any indicator of processing power.
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Remember that writing a compliant Flash implementation is very tricky, the rendering model is very precise and simply saying "I'll use Cairo/GL/X/etc to draw" results in an incorrect implementation.
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The plug on the button of the 770 sucks becuase you cant lay it on your lap or desk while its plugges in. Moving the charging port to the side was one of the first things I would have changed about it.
If you actually used the 770 youd know that the buttons are shit. Now that Noki
Low-End Theory (Score:2)
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Re:Sounds good, but... (Score:5, Informative)
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It looks like Nokia is taking a page out of Microsoft's book. Version 1, utter crap - Version 2, almost useful, Version 3 - DRM'
There are actually quite a few apps... (Score:4, Informative)
It all comes down to the developer community.
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You might also want to check the new version of the application catalog: http://test.maemo.org/applications/ [maemo.org].
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and that (choosing qt over gtk+), pray tell, what would have accomplished? I'm not aware of benchmarks showing incredibly blazing speeds of qt over gtk+ on the embedded platform.
by the way: don't try the "gtk+ is slow because of cairo": the 770
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The availability of Qt apps for one. This is where the Zaurus won - they had an amazing line of software developers ready to develop for the platform. Plus most Qt/desktop apps can be ported easily - it is either just a recompile or minor changes to the source code.
Maybe not, but gtk has never been the choice inside the emb
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Reminds me of an old motto we used to have for WordPerfect. WordPerfect: it may be buggy, but at least it's slow.
Better Photos (Score:4, Informative)
The old bedsheet-out-the-window trick! (Score:1)
Decent (Score:2)
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Video (Score:4, Informative)
Youtube link (Score:2)
voip? (Score:2)
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I nearly bought the 770 last year, but decided to buy a XV6700 [mobiletechreview.com] instead. After playing w/ the 770 awhile, it just seemed to need a few extra bells/whistles (e.g., a camera - which the 800 now has), and the size/resolution of the screen wasn't that much better than the 6700. (Plus my carrier made the latter re
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And they also showed the pricetag...ouch. So my earlier estimate of 2.5x more for a UMPC is now closer to about 1.8x more. Which makes the UMPC an even more attractive choice.
While I wish them the best, I fear it may be another Zaurus debacle (I personally got burned by that one). I know when I was researching the 770 last year, I had the same reaction as when I was using the Z...info was scattered everywhere...except on the manufacturer's own site. Getting basic info about what s/w was on
Looks like an improvement all right (Score:5, Informative)
I have a 770. First off, it's brilliant device, I love it. Definitely using it on my next long-haul flight rather than the built-in video players on airplanes. (I wouldn't use the built in video player, but mplayer has been ported to it and plays 400x240 movies full screen [hardware pixel doubling to fill the 800x480 display] at full fps, 128k audio, and about 500k video. Very watchable, and a full-length movie fits on a 1GB MMC with plenty of room left over for a couple of TV shows.) And of course there are various PIM style apps available for it over at maemo.org [maemo.org], not to mention VNC, xterm, ssh, ...
From what information we currently have (including the pics and video referenced above), I have to say I think they've addressed several of the biggest issues with the unit, specifically:
From the good close look we get at the connectors in the video nursegirl linked to [tokash.org], the USB connector is still unpowered. Frankly, I'm not sure how big an issue this really is. Yes, it means you can't use your existing USB keys with it even if you had an adapter cable, which -- true -- is less than ideal. In terms of other devices, you wouldn't want to power an external keyboard of the poor little 770's battery -- you're better off getting a little portable Bluetooth keyboard. I haven't felt the lack of the power on the USB port yet.
Looks like a great upgrade, good to see Nokia thought it was worth pursuing the product line... I hope the next focus is on software -- improving the handwriting recognition, doing some Nokia-tested and certified PIM apps (calendar, etc.), improving the little desktop area, etc. Doing this device with Linux, documenting the API, and fostering a development community were all masterstrokes, but you can't leave everything to the community, too many users won't be able to handle the complexity (not to mention that, er, some ports are done better than others...).
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s/ask politely/asks politely and has $200 to spare/.
Competing with OLPC? (Score:2, Interesting)
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That said, the dual mode screen and the added keyboard of the OLPC might still make it a very interesting competitor.
Not readily available yet, try again Tuesday (Score:2)
Re:...try again Tuesday - Got mine today! (Score:1)
I did the same as you; called and gave them the item number, and they said they had 2 in stock. When I arrived, they couldn't find it up front, and had to get it from the receiving department, but they did sell it to me no problem.
the laws of technology... (Score:1)
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Them's the breaks, I guess.
I hope P(N800 is working)0 (Score:1)
Nokia 770 a Dud (Score:1)
The problem is that Nokia is a cell phone company, and the 770 seems to be a side project that gets little support. Nokia needs to back the product line for it to be successful. The Nokia 800 will likely be another dud simply because Nokia defines itself as a cell phone manufacturer.
I have a Nokia 770 sitting here that I bought as a project for work as we are a Linux-based shop. The wifi simply does not work with many routers and the reception seems to be poor when it does work. The Maemo operating syste
Nokia - not just cellphones at all! (Score:1, Informative)
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O That It WAS a Cellphone (Score:2)
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Has anyone gotten MythTV working on one of these? (Score:2)
What is the purpose of this device? (Score:1)
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770 offers good, free SDK. Built-in Python libraries for everything. Free OS upgrades.
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It's official now (Score:2)
Sell your 770 now (Score:3, Informative)
Don't Buy! WASTE OF MONEY (Score:2)
The 770 was plagued by poor code, a lot of bugs, updates that had even more bugs than the code it was patching, no customer support and hardware that was broken fresh out of the box at least 50 percent of the time. In short nokia ran a beta test on the market and made t
Goramit!!! N800 not released for Australia (Score:1)
From their "Careline":
Thank you for emailing Nokia Careline.
In response to your inquiry, please be advised that the Nokia N800 Internet Tablet will not be released within the Australian market. However, it is released to the European and United States market.
We suggest that you use the following link should you wish to make a purchase online: http://www.nseries.com/products/n800/#l=products,n 800 [nseries.com]
Kindly be informed that the warranty is limited to the country of purchase.
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