Sony Kills off Aibo, Qrio, Qualia 189
Tomo-chan writes "It seems Sony's cost-cutting has made it a more pragmatic company. The new boss has weilded his mighty chopper and put an end to both Aibo and Qrio, as well as some other marginal product lines. Aibo -- we'll miss you..."
Truly bad product timing or economic pressure? (Score:5, Insightful)
I think we'll see more of these fad/trend items from other Asian manufacturers start to fall out of the production lines. The U.S. is one of the biggest consumers of these useless products, and personal debt is way too high to keep buying more stuff that depreciates 60% the minute it hits the house. With Americans buying less, Asian manufacturers have to reorganize their product lines for items that we do need.
Sony is already out of my buying schedule -- the rootkit and the overall low quality of products they've made in recent years have led me to decide to never buy their products again. I help a few cEOs and upper management types from my client base purchase home electronics and appliances -- I'll always tell them never buy Sony. I remember a few years ago how many of these 6+ figure income types were asking about Aibo and other eccentric toys, nowadays I hear nothing of the sort. Even worse, I don't even hear the wealthy elites asking about the latest flat panel TVs, high end GPS systems or the latest computer gadgets. If the wealthy are having a hard time staying on the 18 month upgrade cycle, what does that say about the economy?
Sony is probably smart to start slicing and dicing. The best thing they can do is refocus on their higher end line -- people who can afford the expense will want the best quality product available. I hate seeing a company I loved become a company I hate. They chased the common man, and their products suffered for it. They chased markets created out of force against consumer action (music, movies, etc) to give their previous customers even more reason to hate them.
Sony, if you're listening and you want to be pragmatic (meaning practical), chop it all out. Sell it all off. Return to Japan, make high end products with meticulous attention to detail and care. Love your customers again -- those willing to pay for the product quality and service. Don't chase the Best Buy guy (or the Circuit City kitty?) -- let the upper echelon come to you.
Billions in annual sales at a 2% margin makes less sense than hundreds of millions at a 20% margin. Here's a hint for all you future entrepreneurs: the only thing that will keep you profitable is to keep your customers happy and offer them a consistency in your performance -- product quality and customer service. Ignore the trends, the fads and trying to sell everything to everyone.
Re:Truly bad product timing or economic pressure? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Truly bad product timing or economic pressure? (Score:3, Insightful)
I believe Sony's (and most megacorps') best option would be to spin off into 5-10 separate companies. There is nothing wrong with these 10 companies (and maybe 20 other companies
Re:Truly bad product timing or economic pressure? (Score:2)
So although they like the media side for being able to maintain the Sony brand name in popular culture, the media side management hasinfact become a pop culture burden as we
Re:Truly bad product timing or economic pressure? (Score:2)
I trust you mean, in part, by this to get their manufacturing out of Mexico, which has truly contributed to the destruction of their reputation.
Put down the pipe... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Put down the pipe... (Score:2)
You may offer any explanation -- or excuse -- you wish, but the end result is still the same. Sony hecho en Mexico is Junk!
Re:Put down the pipe... (Score:2)
Re:Put down the pipe... (Score:4, Funny)
I dunno about that. Last time I had anything produced from a Mexican plant, it was a bottle of Señor Borracho's Old Style Blue Agave Tequila, and next thing you know, I wake up in a Tijuana jail wearing nothing but a Mexican stripper's panties on my head. I'm never touching that shit again, man.
Re:Put down the pipe... (Score:2)
Ahh, Rosa, we'll always have Tijuana... or was it Mexico City... or...
Re:Put down the pipe... (Score:2)
Volkswagens too.
Wish they had killed their pictures/media division (Score:2)
Re:Truly bad product timing or economic pressure? (Score:2)
What you say is true. However, profit is the end result of a number of different factors, not including marketing/promotion, pricing, distribution, quality, etc. If there's profit, you're doing well. If there's not, you're not.
What I'd like to know is what will happen to the Aibo knockoffs (the $20-$100 Robo
Re:Truly bad product timing or economic pressure? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Truly bad product timing or economic pressure? (Score:3, Interesting)
I pointed him towards the iMac 21" G5. He will never willingly use Windows again.
I got him a iPod for Christmas. His CD collection will never leave the house again.
Now he's looking for a new TV to replace his Sony 65" XBR that's about a dozen years old. I think I'm going to have him get a Samsung. I don'
Re:Truly bad product timing or economic pressure? (Score:2, Interesting)
Samsung is the ONLY television company I will buy from right now (other than large screen projectors). The last 3 TVs I helped people buy were from Samsung. My cell phone is from Samsung. These people answer their e-mails and phone calls, and they've fixed any problem I've had in recent years.
Good choices, good post.
Re:Truly bad product timing or economic pressure? (Score:2)
I've never owned one of their TVs, but for TVs I have to reccomend Mitsubishi. My Dad's first bigscreen was a Mitsubishi Diamond Series in the early/mid-90s. When they moved in 2000 it was still going strong, but he wanted a wide-screen, so he sold it as part of the house. The new one is a 52" wide-screen and is great, but it's a monster (it's from 2000, what do you expect).
I just bought a http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/televis [mitsubishi-tv.com]
US biggest buyer? (Score:2)
Back when I was looking for a 3 lb laptop, I discovered that the US is actually not that big a purchaser of "cool" electronic devices. In Japan, if you want to display your financial superiority, you buy cool electronic toys - ultra-light laptops, bleeding-edge handhelds, and yes, silly robot-dogs. In the US, you buy a big car (er...SUV these days, I guess - or hybrid if you're that type), a big house, or whatever else it is we buy. (we co
Re:US biggest buyer? (Score:3, Funny)
In short, in the U.S. if you have a small penis you buy big stuff. But in Japan, if you have a small penis you buy really small stuff. I guess it is a little less obvious that you're compensating when you do it that way.
Re:US biggest buyer? (Score:2)
Buy Stuff or your Little Dog gets it! (Score:2)
Re:Truly bad product timing or economic pressure? (Score:2, Insightful)
The way the market forces work, I think this happens to a lot of companies. Lets continue with Sony - they create a great, well made, well
Re:Truly bad product timing or economic pressure? (Score:2)
Re:Truly bad product timing or economic pressure? (Score:2, Funny)
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Re:Truly bad product timing or economic pressure? (Score:2, Interesting)
I would suggest that the best thing to keep you profitable is to keep your employees happy and offer them a positive, stimulating workplace in which to grow. There have been many stories over the years that I've heard whi
Re:Truly bad product timing or economic pressure? (Score:2)
Are are having no trouble staying on that cycle. they simply are getting pissed at the crap quality that is being churned out. I know I deal with lots of high income clients with my side of home automation specalist.
They want things to work. The Treo? nobody outside of someone who is ADHD want them because the 600,650 and 700 all have major problems that make their reliability suffer horribly.
Re:Truly bad product timing or economic pressure? (Score:2)
I hope you're happy! (Score:5, Funny)
Close but no cigar. (Score:2)
"If you can't Own it, Don't Sell it" is the new motto
Metal dog dies. (Score:2)
At least Sony could have tried the "Save Toby" ploy first. http://www.savetoby.com/ [savetoby.com]
Quick, someone call PETER! (Score:2, Funny)
Rumour has it that these Sony products have rootkits in them that can be remotely accessed to initiate a horrific self-destruct sequence.
Re:Quick, someone call PETER! (Score:2)
But sorry, the robots I support are http://www.realdoll.com/ [realdoll.com]
Re:Quick, someone call PETER! (Score:2)
Are you primarily supporting them with the matrix stiffness method?
Or are you using another structural element that carries a load?
What's left? (Score:2)
Now they are killing off their research technologies...
I can see the headlines now:
"Sony to stop selling Televisions, Cameras, and Personal Computers! Moving to toothpick business!"
Re:What's left? (Score:1)
Re:What's left? (Score:1)
I am just so glad I got what is probably the last best CRT based TV ever made
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060120/n ews_1n20sony.html [signonsandiego.com]
Re:What's left? (Score:2)
Re:What's left? (Score:2)
Re:What's left? (Score:2)
But will their toothpicks include a root kit?
Fixed. (Score:2)
Fixed.
Here's Hoping! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Here's Hoping! (Score:2)
How is this insightful in the slightest?
From the article:
Ten months after a major management reshuffle that saw Howard Stringer appointed chairman and chief executive officer (CEO), the company reported sales and operating revenue of ¥2.4 trillion ($20 billion as of the last day of the period being reported) for the three months to December, up 10% from a year earlier
Seems wrong....... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Seems wrong....... (Score:2)
Well, there's still Honda's Asimo...
Ah FFS (Score:1)
How much money (proportionally) could Sony really have been spending on this thing? Sony's electronics division looks as though it may be about to make a killing on in the HD DV cam market (I'm buying one
Profit mongers.
Won't be missed (Score:1)
No, actually we won't miss Aibo at all.
I misread it as "Sony Kills off Alito, Scalia". (Score:4, Funny)
Re:I misread it as "Sony Kills off Alito, Scalia". (Score:2)
Sadly (Score:2, Funny)
Bad marketing (Score:1, Informative)
There's always a slight "we're better than you" vibe in there. Their prices are always higher than elsewhere for the same product.
And as for Aibo, I popped into that store a couple times hoping to see the damn thing, but do they actuall carry a demo Aibo? Nope. Think of the buzz and attraction it would bring to have one on display, even if it were in a glass box? Part of marketing a retail mall store is to just get people to come in. The Aibo would have been the perfect "buzz"
Summary (Score:2, Funny)
No, we won't.
... Nooo! Not Qrio! ... (Score:2)
Let's face it, Aibo was a dumb idea at a really high price point, but Qrio -- I mean, able to run and dance and throw stuff -- Qrio was cool. Cool enough for a Beck video, even.
I was hoping that Sony'd be able to make Qrios for retail sale, but no dice. All they were able to produce was something like six of them -- pretty depressing. I think I paid a little over a hundred bills for my robosapien. I'd pay upwards of twice that for a qrio.
-= Sigh =-
Well, maybe some other comp
200? big spender.. (Score:3, Funny)
gads.
Whatup? (Score:3, Insightful)
If they could keep developing it, several generations later they could rule the market for price efficient home robots. Still yet they were a great marketing tool.
I wonder what's their strategy, especially that RIGHT NOW, they need all the positive press they could get. Killing the world's favorite pet robots is a bad press coming after bad press.
Re:Whatup? (Score:2)
Indeed... Only redeeming factor for Sony after the rootkit fiasco was that they had some cool stuff. Now they scrapped the coolest of the cool stuff. Oh well, now I don't even have to think about buying any Sony stuff for years.
Re:Whatup? (Score:2)
Absolutely. I've always thought these things were cool since I first heard about them about 5 years ago(?). Well, I've never had any personal experience with one of these things until visiting the local SonyStyle store. They've got an Aibo there and the thing is just too damned cool, all of the tricks it does and the things they've programmed it to do (Apparently the C
Really? (Score:2)
Here Boy! (Score:2)
Aibo rootkit (Score:1)
Sony isn't destroying everything (Score:2)
SXRD's have better image quality, longer life, and are much much cheaper. I have one in my living room - they beat the hell out of Plasmas.
Re:Sony isn't destroying everything (Score:2)
So with these Aibos... (Score:1)
Sounds fair to me (Score:1)
Quick example, I bought a 20Gb MP3 player from them, the NW-A3000 mainly for the very very high sound quality. I knew it wouldn't 'just work' like the iPod does, but I thought it was worth the effort .
I have NEVER had so much trouble with a seemingly simple device in my life. I was right, this things *sounds* fantastic, really, but t
Re:Sounds fair to me (Score:2)
Playstation, Clio, Aibo, Qrio - those tags I recognize and have at least modest good feelings towards.
Then there's the rest of the Sony nonsense...
Memory Stick (incompatible for the sake of being incompatible with every other flash drive)
MiniDisc (cool tech, that missed it's market window due to stupid DRM decisions)
ATRAC (which probably isn't S
New Sony spin off company in 3.. 2.. (Score:1)
There is too much useful technology there not to be profitable, in the right structure.
It may be time for these critters to have their own company, production and bottom line. Or be acquired by someone who does. Seriously. The works in the balance and joints of the Qrio alone...
kulakovich
Re:New Sony spin off company in 3.. 2.. (Score:2)
This is a bit sad, but I wonder what will happen of the exist
PS3? (Score:2)
From Sony's Qrio site: (Score:3, Insightful)
From Sony's Qrio site [sony.net]:
Qrio embodies Sony's dreams and most advanced technologies in recognition, motion control, communications, IT and AI. [...] resulting technologies will be applied to a wide range of products and services, beyond robots, to enhance the fun and joy of life.
Well, so much for Sony killing off its own dreams. More seriously, how can Sony hope to offer innovative products in the future, if it fails to pursue cutting-edge research now. Certainly, developing high-precision manufacturing techniques, etc. can only help in the future when such technologies will be required. -- Paul
Re:From Sony's Qrio site: (Score:2)
Don't conflate "pursuing cutting-edge research" and "selling umarketable research projects".
I think the mistake they're trying to correct is stuffing the early fruits of long-term research into expensive and unprofitable products today.
One word (Score:2)
Where's Aibo, Uncle Howard? (Score:3, Funny)
Let's go get some ice cream.
What would ya all expect? (Score:2)
I do robotics now and then myself (more like Tilden) simple transistor based Beam robots with my wast amounts of ebay-surplus transistors
Does this mean that the world is not ready for robotic toys like the Aibo? No - I
Re:What would ya all expect? (Score:2)
two words: Lego Mindstorms
Perfect pricepoint, with the new NXT kit being priced around $280 with 32 bit c
Aibo. (Score:2)
AIBO was never a real product (Score:2)
I expect most of the cost to be in the initial design, but apparently even the marginal cost of the AIBO is higher than the price. Otherwise, why stop production rather than just stop further development?
Making Aibo Successful (Score:2)
You thought the Aibo Was Expensive Before? (Score:1, Interesting)
Why Stop There? (Score:2)
Just one word (Score:2)
Maybe I missed something... (Score:2)
If the Qrio was something that I could have bought, I would have bought one... If only to dress it up in a dog costume and have it walk around the house singing the doom song...
Adios, amigos.. (Score:5, Funny)
Killing them seems awfully harsh -- I would think a wealthy company like Sony could just get them deported, or maybe beat up?
Vaya con dios, my Bolivian friends! There are no wastepaper baskets to empty in Heaven!! *sniff*
memories...(photos of qrio and aibo) (Score:2)
Maybe (Score:2)
Then again, doesn't the Aibo have a price tag comparable to a Segway?
Hmmm... I wonder if the PS3 fails to provide less than glorious amounts of revenue if SCEA could be next in line for guillotine?
We will? (Score:2)
We will?
Why stop? (Score:2)
Heck, even if it turns out to be a wash on the books, it still helps build brand recognition in the consumer robo
I hope he makes up for it (Score:2)
WTF is Qualia (Score:2)
* Click on first match.
Splash screen. Talks about the philisophical definition.
* Click on Enter
Random hexagons, with a weird UI...clicking doesn't do anything, you have to hold and hover. And then all the identical hexagons rearrange themselves, so if by some chance you want to see each splash screen, you have to keep track of all 7 yourself. Artsy, annoying.
Oh look, a final mention of the word Products, with a region dropdown
* Click on USA
Another spashscreen that says NOTHING but "QUALIA"
Re:WTF is Qualia (Score:2)
The answer [google.com] to your question is on Froogle.
The Qualia 004, for example, is (was?) one of the best HD projectors. Certainly the best I've seen. It not cheap [google.com], though.
Re:WTF is Qualia (Score:2)
(Just jealousy
It is a sad thing, but, so what? (Score:2)
I would be willing to bet that you could easily build either one of these robots off-the-shelf using parts from LynxMotion [lynxmotion.com], for half the cost or less. They aren't the only supplier, either - Pick up an issue of Servo Magazine [servomagazine.com] and you will find several suppliers of similar kits and parts. Most use standard RC servos. Several companies have also introduced special robotics digital servos with 2-way communications bus
how many other must-have items are going away? (Score:2)
Now we're told, oh by the way, Aibo didn't make any money for Sony and no-one was actually buying them so they're being cancelled.
What other products, being shoved down our throats by the blogs, are really on their way out? Can't believe hybrid cars
What ARE they going to make? (Score:2)
But then,
Are they getting out of the display business entirely?
Has anyone told Beck about this? (Score:2)
http://www.fungod.com/coppermine/displayimage.php
THIS WILL NOT STAND! THIS AGGRESSION WILL NOT STAND, MAN!
"Qrio Music Video Dancers, form of . . . VOLTRON! "
First the rootkit now this... (Score:2)
Re:Oh Fuck ! (Score:1)
Re:Oh Fuck ! - One Word! (Score:2)
One word: eBay.
Of course, you'll have to save up more now. I'm sure Aibo has just become an instant collectable.
Re:Oh Fuck ! (Score:1)
Re:better, stronger, faster (Score:2)
Re:Poorly written summary (Score:2)
Well... (Score:2)
RonB