Dell Selling 30" Flat Panels 417
bling..bling writes "Apple is not the only company selling 30" flat panel monitors. Dell is now offering a 30" flat panel display that has a native resolution of 2560x1600 and sells for $2,199. Just like the apple 30" display you do need a dual link DVI video card to drive this massive beast. This monitor also sports four USB ports and a media card reader.
I've been waiting for Dell or someone else to release a 30" display and hopefully bring the prices down. I'm tired of the dual monitor thing, I want one display device on my desk, just make it a very large device.
See the details on Dell's web site on the new Dell 3007WFP 30-inch widescreen digital flat panel monitor."
Two heads are better than one! (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Two heads are better than one! (Score:2)
Re:Two heads are better than one! (Score:4, Informative)
Most video cards don't support dual-link at all. Those that do tend to support only one dual-link connection, even if they have two DVI connectors. So, you can only have one 30" display and one smaller (2048x1536 or less) display.
The only current card that I know of that supports two dual-link connections (i.e., can drive two 30" displays) is the nVidia Quattro FX 4500, which costs over $1500.
Re:Two heads are better than one! (Score:3, Informative)
The radeon x1800 series also have dual dual link dvi, not exactly cheap but a lot cheaper than those workstation cards.
Re:Two heads are better than one! (Score:3, Insightful)
Of course the solution is to use two separate dual-link cards, but that doesn't seem to have crossed his mind.
Re:Two heads are better than one! (Score:2)
5 years ago I had dual 19" CRT's at work and loved it, then that company closed and I went back to one monitor at work.
Last year I got an Apple 23" Cinema which I love love love. At home, I decided to get a second 21" flat panel to go with my current one. I found myself rarely using the second one. Only keeping occasional things there. Maybe it's just because i'm used to the one at home? Maybe it's the angle of the monitors and the border between them.
2 weeks ago when I got m
Re:Two heads are better than one! (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Two heads are better than one! (Score:2)
Really, I'd suggest getting the same model, just for the lack of visual differences. For about a week, as I said in a previous reply, I had my old 6 yo 17' CRT as my secondary, and it didn't even come close to being used. Not only was the color off (I really did need a replacement but was waiting for the 19" LCDs to drop to around $300), but the window siz
Re:Two heads are better than one! (Score:4, Interesting)
As such, I'd like an option to "echo" the menu bar onto each monitor, reducing at least half of the problem.
The other half, however, is inherent in their single shared menu design. Yes, I know about the usability studies, but the majority of those stem from the time when most Apples had a single 9" screen. If you've ever used a Mac with a 30" widescreen display, I think you'll agree that the top menu bar, as with the split screen setup, often seems a long ways away from your current work window. It kills a lot of the benefits of having a huge monitor if you need to cluster most of your work in the top-left corner of the screen.
Re:Two heads are better than one! (Score:3, Interesting)
Uhm, there's no such concept as "putting an application on the second monitor" on the Mac, since there isn't anything on screen which you could call "the application".
I personally use three monitors on my Mac, with the menu bar at the center. I don't have any issues with the menu bar distance, since the center monitor is the only one that's really used for work, the others are like auxiliary moni
Re:Two heads are better than one! (Score:3, Insightful)
You guys are all pussies (Score:4, Interesting)
Everyone knows the real display technology of the day is Toshiba's Surface-conduction electron-emitter display. [ign.com]
It's 100,000:1 contrast ratio, 1ms response time, and you can get it in 55".
Re:You guys are all pussies (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Two heads are better than one! (Score:4, Interesting)
I was faced with upgrading my Samsung monitor from a 1280x1024 170T to a 1920x1200 243T on my home machine awhile back. I was all set to flash the plastic when I stopped and did the math. I could go from 1.3 to 2.3 megapixels for (at the time) about $1500... or I could keep the 170T as a secondary monitor and buy a 1600x1200 213T instead for about $800.
1.9 megapixels plus 1.3 megapixels >> 2.3 megapixels.... duh. I've been very happy with the 213T/170T combo.
Until applications emerge that actually need a contiguous 30" hunk of screen real estate, I think the parent poster has the right idea. Dual monitors have a lot of advantages over buying a single humongous one at the pointy end of the price/pixel curve. Sure, I appreciate a panoramic gaming experience as much as the next guy, but Q4 and HL2 are already choppy when I run them on the 213T with all rendering features cranked up. A 30" display would be like watching King Kong at 12 FPS from the front row.
Re:Two heads are better than one! (Score:3, Insightful)
I have a widescreen at home, and use dual monitors at work, so I know exactly where you're coming from.
The issues you bring up are window management problems. They're things that should be solved in software,
30" is better than dual-monitor for certain apps (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Two heads are better than one! (Score:2)
Lame! (Score:2, Insightful)
dell can gain some respect from me and other true computer users/builders when they leave the trifecta from hell (dell, intel, microsoft) and stop manufacturing their own crappy parts and stick in quality products like antec and corsair.
Flaimbait? Not if you're a true computer tech.
Re:Two heads are better than one! (Score:2)
If in 2006 your windowing system, applications, or operating system don't remember your window placement from the last time you ran the application, I would suggest upgrading.
I remember back in 1995 or so when I first started using dual displays, I heard of a usability study that found that 2 smaller displays that had the same real estate of 1 t
Re:Two heads are better than one! (Score:3, Interesting)
Right now her at work I have a 21" CRT & 20.1" LCD which gives me the same aspect ratio of the CRT. Now I can get a 20.1" LCD for about $600. I could even see the use of 4 in a rack.
Dead Pixels Worries (Score:3, Informative)
Can't thet cut to the chase, how many dead pixels can i get stuck with? as their policy only seems to state:
And 2560x1600 is alot bigger than640x480
Plus for that price, I think i prefer 2 samsung high quality 19" flat panels with no dead pixels [slashdot.org]
Re:Dead Pixels Worries (Score:3, Funny)
So two dead pixels times fourteen equals, what, 28? 28 dead pixels. Sounds like a blockbuster to me.
Re:Dead Pixels Worries (Score:2)
People have reported returning monitors that had dead pixels, but not enough to fall under the dead pixel policy allowance, under Dell's general "money back if you aren't satisfied for any reason policy".
I haven't had a chance to try this, as my 24" was perfect.
Re:"No Dead Pixels" (In South Korea) (Score:2)
yet
Re:"No Dead Pixels" (In South Korea) (Score:2)
Re:"No Dead Pixels" (In South Korea) (Score:2)
2 Apple 23" Cinemas - no dead pixels on either
1 Apple 15" PowerBook (1280x800) - no dead pixels
1 Apple 12" PowerBook (1024x768) - no dead pixels
1 Dell 14" (1280x1024) notebook - no dead pixels
1 old NEC 14" 1024x768 panel - no dead pixels, and backlight works after 9 years of everyday use
1 Samsung 193p (1280x1024) - 1 pixel with red el
Re:Dead Pixels Worries (Score:3, Interesting)
I'd rather have dual 24" monitors (Score:4, Informative)
Re:I'd rather have dual 24" monitors (Score:2)
Re:I'd rather have dual 24" monitors (Score:2)
Re:I'd rather have dual 24" monitors (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:I'd rather have dual 24" monitors (Score:2)
or... (Score:4, Interesting)
that's great, except the human field of vision is wide, not tall. So the multi-monitor setup is more efficient.
Re:or... (Score:2)
(3200 * 1200 rocks, so does 1920*1200 laptops)
4, 19 inch screens (Score:2, Insightful)
Having several monitors gives you the ability to focus on the central screen while some applications (monitoring,chat,email, etc...) or on the side.
These monitors can be moved placed on top of eachother turned to a collega, etc.. so they provide you much more flexibility.
Also when one of the 4 screens dies thats not a big deal when your massive 30inch screen dies you have nothing.
Re:4, 19 inch screens (Score:2)
Re:4, 19 inch screens (Score:2)
Maybe I should just get some real calibration equipment and to that once in a while...
Dell overpriced (Score:2)
For the same money you can buy 4 (or even more) 19 inch screens.
No arguement there, Dell has overpriced this at $2,199 (I presume USD).
Me, I went to the local Canadian Costco and picked up a Viewsonic 27" widescreen N2750W that has DVI, VGA, TV tuner, speakers, PIP etc. all inside. Sure, the resultion is 1280x720 but I don't need to see 10 pt fonts at 1/32". My stock NVIDIA AGP DVI card drives it nicely. The kicker is it is $899 Canadian, but I paid $999 a year earlier. Thinking of buying another on
Is this the same LCD as the Apple 30"? (Score:2)
Is this the same technology as Apple's?
Re:Is this the same LCD as the Apple 30"? (Score:2)
Re:Is this the same LCD as the Apple 30"? (Score:2)
Well too bad for the rest of us (Score:4, Interesting)
Too bad, because I really like the form factor (big tubes are space wasters) but unless they improve whatever it is that makes me sick, I'll stick with good ole CRTs.
Perhaps you need to adapt? (Score:3, Insightful)
Also, the geometry of the screen may be an issue too. I remember when the first generation of "flat" CRT televisions came out, people used to curved monitors thought that the image looked inwardly curved...
You may not have
Re: (Score:2)
[O/T] Lighting and monitors (Score:2)
We've had a few problems at work with lighting issues, as several of us people are quite sensitive either to typical office lighting or to particular types of monitor.
At the risk of asking the obvious, have you tried rearranging your workspace? I have quite a nice Dell 19" CRT at work, which was almost unusable when I first started due to screen flicker. (I'm the kind of guy who can tell the difference between 85Hz and 100Hz, never mind 75 and 85.) I have two desks in an L-shape, and shifting the PC to th
Probably because the rays kill your braincells (Score:2)
I don't know if it is the backlight, the uneven coloring, the fact that you can almost but not quite focus on the raster. Perhaps it is just to bright. Or maybe I am just getting old and should no longer spen
Re:Well too bad for the rest of us (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Well too bad for the rest of us (Score:2)
I use two of the Apple 30 inch cinema displays and sometimes sit before them for well over 12 hours, to no ill effects.
Re:Well too bad for the rest of us (Score:3, Insightful)
One possible reason for such a headache is if your vision is slightly off. As you concentrate on the screen your eyes try to focus, but since they cannot do it fu
point of comparison (Score:4, Informative)
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/A ppleStore?family=AppleDisplays [apple.com]
Re:point of comparison (Score:2)
$100 for the cheapest cable from Dell? $699 card! (Score:2)
There's more expensive cables and cards from Dell, too.
I'd rather buy the Apple with my educational discount (just $2,299 with the cable) and works with my Powerbook's graphics card.
Re:point of comparison (Score:2)
So all Dell did was match Apples prices - and add shitty quality, tech support in some place far far away, and a "don't-give-a-damn" attitude about anyone that's not gov or large business account. Oh and a $5 USB hub - ooooooooo, big spenders.
Anyone with any sense will go with the Apple.
Re:point of comparison (Score:3, Interesting)
Yeah, it seemed to be using the same Panel but the backlight is different and I had a chance to compare both the Apple and the Dell and the Apple IMO looked better, brighter (I am writing it on that one right now).
Michael
Re:point of comparison (Score:3, Informative)
$300 for a luxury purchase like this is only a 13% difference. If your looking at quality and saving a buck, keep looking at Apple's refurbished eq
Is it ever worth it? (Score:2)
I see someone's already mentioned the issue of dead pixels, particularly in light of other vendors offering comparable screen space with no-dead-pixel guarantees. I think this is the example of a more general problem: no matter how fantastic a large screen like this may be, it's a single point of failure. Apple's cinema displays look gorgeous... until the infamous back light failure kicks in, and Apple's equally infamous denials/poor customer support leave you with a very expensive piece of useless hardware
smaller resolution (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:smaller resolution (Score:2)
I'm guessing it's a combination of native resolution and poor support in OSes for high resolution displays. On a typical machine today, most OS widgets will be pretty tiny on something like a 17" TFT running at 1600x1200, and I'm not sure any of the big name OSes has yet reached the point where simple things like icons and widgets scale nicely (and don't even mention fonts and dialog box layouts). If you're using a CRT, this isn't such a problem, because CRTs can scale to different resolutions with relative
Re:smaller resolution (Score:3, Insightful)
Any decent OS or web browser will let you scale up font sizes. The end result is that your text is the same size, but smoother. The only problem occurs when sites do stupid things like make navigation bars images of text.
Images, I admit, are another matter. I suppose the best thing here is to switch to all vector graphics that can be scaled up smoothly just like fonts.
Re:smaller resolution (Score:4, Interesting)
Any decent OS or web browser will let you scale up font sizes. The end result is that your text is the same size, but smoother.
I *hate* OSes that do that! If I'm paying top dollar for lots of pixels it's because I want to put lots of text on that screen. If you feel that you need more pixels in each character in order to make them readable then I suggest you're using the wrong fonts.
The *right* fonts, by and large, are the twenty year old ones that came with the original Macintosh, especially Monaco (and Geneva for variable width). Monaco 9 is still today very hard to beat as a font for terminals or programming. And it's not just Mac-heads who think so -- I know lots of Windows and Linux people who swear by it (or close clones) as well.
Just make sure you remember to turn anti-aliasing *off* for those fonts. They're perfect already, and hand-optimized pixel by pixel by the best in the world (Susan Kare [kare.com]) in a way that a smoothing engine can never match.
Re:smaller resolution (Score:3, Insightful)
I've ordered one... (Score:4, Interesting)
I've been using dual 20" CRTs at home for a long time, but at work, I got a Dell LCD about 6 month ago. Having used it as my primary monitor for half a year I decided I was going to upgrade my home setup for Christmas. While looking for coupons for the 2405 though, I heard about the 3007, and decided to wait and get just one of those instead.
Same price as 4 Gateway FPD2185W (Score:4, Informative)
height (Score:2)
tired of the dual monitor thing (Score:3, Interesting)
Multimonitor setup is more sensitive to your eyes. With the two monitors you need to refocus when you look the other monitor, this "exercise" saves the eyes from the strain caused by staring into one monitor from fixed distance for a long time. The best setup so far (that i tested) is 1600x1200 (left) 1920x1200 (center) 1600x1200 (right) with a TV display far behind so i can focus my eyes to distant display as well as near displays giving my eyes lot of exercise. I've found that my eyes keep refocusing on the other displays when it is no longer confortable to stare into one for too long. I have no eye sight problems since.
This is ridiculous (Score:4, Informative)
Re:This is ridiculous (Score:2)
Re:This is ridiculous (Score:4, Informative)
Unless you're spending the same $2,000+ on a projector, I doubt you could exceed 1280x1024. (Though I haven't looked too closely at pricing lately.)
USB on a display (Score:5, Informative)
Be careful, there is a problem with that!
I have a Dell 2405FPW and it has the same ports and readers. When the monitor is switched off, the power supply to this subsystem is cut as well (and apparently it is not powered from the PC USB bus).
I leave my PC switched on all the time, and switch off the monitor when I am not using it. The PC continues to perform server functions.
The result is that every switch off and on of the display it will go through the USB hardware discovery cycle, find all the cardreaders, and try to read all card types. This results in a massive amount of log messages and a very slow PC for 5-10 seconds.
The manual tells about this, but I think many users would not think about it when reading the feature list.
Fortunately, the monitor has multiple inputs (VGA, DVI, S-Video, Composite, Component) and when switching to one of the TV inputs it goes to standby mode when no signal is present. So as a workaround, I switch it off by setting S-Video input and back on by selecting DVI again. Not as convenient, as it needs multiple button clicks to do so.
Re:USB on a display (Score:2)
Solution: Buy a $5 cardreader/usb hub. Plug said hub into your computer. Plug all permanently-connected devices/cards
Re:USB on a display (Score:3, Interesting)
There is nothing plugged in to these slots and connectors normally. I use them for my USB key and would use them for cards if I had those.
The problem still occurs when everything is empty because there still is a hub and a couple of cardreader USB devices that are being detected, and an eager "hwscand" process that likes to find out what exciting new hardware there is to be found, automount cards, etc.
In this, Linux is becoming more like Windows.
Re:USB on a display (Score:4, Informative)
It uses about 59W when running normally, 3W in standby, 1W when "powered off" using the frontpanel button.
Of course the powerconsumption does not drop merely by blanking the display, as with a CRT monitor. Powermanagement can set it to standby.
These numbers are consistent with observation: it gets moderately warm when normally operating, and is cold when it is in standby.
Re:USB on a display (Score:3, Interesting)
It is merely a convenience issue now. The input select needs 5 presses for a complete cycle (5 inputs), and it reacts slowly when the monitor is in standby.
Re:USB on a display (Score:3, Interesting)
Also, when I leave I want the display to blank immediately. I have tried to use the "activate screensaver when moving mousepointer to screen corner" function, but it seems it can only activate a screensaver, not the powermanagement.
Furthermore, leaving the system in inactivity time-out powersaving is somewhat unreliable. Sometimes it wakes up because
Brand important only to monitors and HDs (Score:2)
Dual vs Large Single Monitor (Score:2)
At work though I do lots of testing of patches, scripts and other administration duties. I open up my administration or editing program in one window and the target system in the other window. With one monitor I sometimes missed any quick messages or weird update issues - with two I can catch everything. I also know a lot of people that use two monitors for the same reason. More real
Don't buy it for $2199 (Score:5, Informative)
This price is ridiculous for a Dell, you can get the apple 30" for $100 more with student discount. And we all know the kinds of margins Apple has.
Design... (Score:2)
Probably should wait until after MacWorld (Score:2)
Unless you REALLY have over two grand burning a hole in your pocket...
You might check out my review... (Score:3, Informative)
It's a nice unit. No embedded controls, except for brightness, so you need to use your graphics card control panel to make adjustments. Some minor uniformity problems with the backlight, but good D6500 color temperature tracking.
Oh, and Civ4 looks great at 2560x1600 ;-)
It's cheaper in Canada! (Score:4, Interesting)
http://www1.ca.dell.com/content/products/productde tails.aspx/monitor_3007wfp?c=ca&cs=CABSDT1&l=en&s= bsd [dell.com]
Cheaper in Canada (Score:3, Informative)
http://accessories.dell.com/sna/ProductDetail.asp
Re:Isn't it the same liquid crystal panel as Apple (Score:3, Funny)
Apple 400:1 Contrast Ratio
DELL 700:1 Contract Ratio
Oh, and the apple one has a fancier bezel.
Re:Isn't it the same liquid crystal panel as Apple (Score:2)
I assume you also decide what speakers to buy after looking at specs in a book?
Re:Isn't it the same liquid crystal panel as Apple (Score:2)
lies and damned specifications (Score:5, Interesting)
DELL 700:1 Contract Ratio
The difference is that Dell is claiming figures based on smoking crack, and Apple's is actually somewhat reasonable. The first thing I did when I got my 20" from Dell, was calibrate it.
According to the calibration device (Eye-one Display2), none of the specs were even close. I think the "true" contrast ratio turned out to be more like 1:250, and when I did brightness testing- brightness on the panel actually went DOWN with time at any setting over "75"; Dell's design pretty clearly overdrives the backlight(probably damaging it), and it is probably to be able to brag an extra 30-40cd over "the competition". Which is hilarious, since the thing is so damn bright, I have to keep it on the lowest brightness setting.
Maybe I'll re-run the calibration right now and get actual numbers and post them as a follow-up, so you can see how lousy true specs are compared to what is claimed on paper.
Calibrator vs Dell vs Apple (sorta) (Score:5, Informative)
Done. Here are the results for my 2 month old Dell 2005FPW, which has been on for about 2 hours before calibration.
Max brightness: 250 cd/m^2 at 100, but dropped 1 cd/m^2 EVERY SECOND I left it at that setting(and oddly enough, when I brought the setting back to 0, luminance climbed slightly over 5-10 seconds, then dropped back to 178-179). 0 is anywhere from 178.2-180.
Guess what? 250cd/m^2, or 250 lumens, is run of the mill. Dell claims an additional 50 lumens. To put that in perspective, that's as if the display had a brightness setting of around "200"(well, a little less, but you get the idea.)
Dell also claims a 600:1 contrast ratio. Except the calibration device measured a minimum luminance of .4 cd/m^2. 180 divided by .4 = 450:1 contrast ratio.
Apple claims a contrast ratio of 400:1 and a max luminance of 250cd/m2 on the Cinema 20", which is supposedly the same exact screen (but different front "glass" and backlight, I believe). How 'bout that.
Re:Calibrator vs Dell vs Apple (sorta) (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Isn't it the same liquid crystal panel as Apple (Score:2)
Re:Isn't it the same liquid crystal panel as Apple (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Isn't it the same liquid crystal panel as Apple (Score:3, Informative)
* A higher contrast ratio is of course also possible if you get a different backlight and chooses the measuring point to give you that number, but if the response times are indeed lower, or different, it seems they realyy have a different panel. On the other hand, one could technically squeeze a bit of response time difference from using a different signal chip in the monitor.
Re:Isn't it the same liquid crystal panel as Apple (Score:2, Interesting)
I expect that if Dell are using a more modern panel, then Apple will soon have an updated 30" product, not to compete but just because their 30" is due for an update... then again we are talking about Apple, who seem to forget about products once they're launched.
It'd be nice if both had more inputs though. I don't need that many 30" displays in the house, and considering my TV is a 24" widescreen CRT I think I'd switch
well, the new Apple display rumor for tuesday..... (Score:2)
read the interesting story that PowerPage posted just the other day.....
http://www.powerpage.org/archives/2006/01/exclusiv e_apple_plasma_displays_to_rock_mwsf_updated.html# 008526 [powerpage.org]
the key points being (as put by macrumors):
Apple would be releasing 42inch and 50inch Plasma Displays at Macworld San Francisco.
the new plasma displays will be powered by Intel's recently announced Viiv multimedia platform running Mac OS X 10.4.4 for x86 (Intel).
Prices for the displays/com
Re:Isn't it the same liquid crystal panel as Apple (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Isn't it the same liquid crystal panel as Apple (Score:2)
The Apple display is made of aluminum, not plastic.
Re:flash: oracle selling database software (Score:3, Interesting)
There's not that much exciting stuff happening at the bleeding edge this time of year, so they're spending more editorial space on general interest issues where formerly bleeding edge things are going mainstream, which might be of interest to anyone looking to buy in the near future?
Re:flash: oracle selling database software (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Ouch (Score:3, Interesting)
I wonder how ATI takes it when Dell only recommends five specific nVidia cards for the screen [dell.com].
(Interestingly, nothing on TV inputs, if any; actually seems to pass the "no HDCP to pay companies to restrict how I see video in full quality" test.)
Re:Here's one reasons to buy the Dell over Apple.. (Score:3, Insightful)
Imagine if no one bought HDCP monitors. When Vista came out, it would blow up massively--people would be furious at having to either use really crappy video or buy a new monitor.
Re:Linux support (Score:4, Funny)