Intel PowerBook Rumor Mill 362
catdriver writes "AppleInsider has an article guessing about Apple's new Intel portable offerings in early 2006. 'With the initiation of the Intel Power Mac project last month, all five of Apple's Intel Macintosh projects are now said to be underway and moving at an exhaustive, yet fruitful pace. It should come as no surprise that Apple chief executive Steve Jobs is reportedly leading the charge, with his heart set on making 2006 the next 1984.' With Mac OS X for x86 now catching up to its PPC sibling, is Apple ready to take the plunge?"
Apple Intel Switch (Score:5, Informative)
Altivec (Score:5, Informative)
Most importantly, Altivec, while really fast, only support single precision computations. This is sufficient for improving multimedia playback, applying image filters on photos or compressing music, but lacking for high-precision computations. SSE supports double precision, a big improvement for the scientific market.
Re:Altivec (Score:5, Informative)
And Altivec is really fast. Keep in mind that OSX86 still uses the brain-damaged 32-bit mode, so the algorithms will be totally register-starved. That may be less relevant if you've designed for the architecture in the first place, but porting specialized assembly from an architecture with, what, >64 registers (r0-r31, f0-f31, plus Altivec), to one with 8 sounds like pure hell to me. Good thing I always used the frameworks (actually I just figured that Apple would be better at optimizing than me
Re:Altivec (Score:5, Informative)
If you're going to count the FPU and SIMD registers on the PowerPC, you need to do the same for Intel.
Re:Altivec (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Altivec (Score:4, Funny)
This is the Apple Slashdot Forum. We're all intelligent, well informed and snappily dressed with nicely decorated apartments.
Re:Apple Intel Switch (Score:5, Funny)
You must be a true geek...most people get STRONGER as they lug something around.
Re:Apple Intel Switch (Score:2)
I'm currently using the Fujitsu P7010D, an ultraportable with very good battery life. If Mac OS X r
1984? (Score:4, Funny)
Hmm, I wonder what Orwell would think about that.
Re:1984? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:1984? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:1984? (Score:3, Informative)
I think you forgot [napster.com] a [yahoo.com] few [rhapsody.com].
Re:1984? (Score:2)
Hmm, I wonder what Orwell would think about that.
Taken out of context I wonder whether that sounds like Homeland security and MPAA/RIAA being over zealous?
It's a reference to the Mac commercial. (Score:2)
Re:It's a reference to the Mac commercial. (Score:5, Funny)
"You know, the girl with the sledgehammer breaking that giant screen with Big Brother in it.
Only this time around the girl is the stoner chick [ellenfeiss.net] from the Switch campaign.
She wanders into the room looking dazed, sees the giant talking face on the screen, then cocks her head like a confused cocker spaniel while trying to use her iPod as a remote to change the channel.
Eventually she wanders out a side exit.
Re:It's a reference to the Mac commercial. (Score:2)
Re:It's a reference to the Mac commercial. (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm not worried. (Score:2)
Re:1984? (Score:2)
BTW, some say TCPA was indeed a factor in the Apple switch to Intel.
Re:1984? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:1984? (Score:5, Funny)
My guess is "double plus good"!
As long as it's faster than my P-P-P-Powerbook (Score:2, Funny)
I've been considering a laptop as my next upgrade, since it will use less power, have wireless built in, and be quieter than my desktop with 3 hard drives in it. It will work better as my entertainment center, if it has a TV capture device in it. And I need to upgrade my P-P-P-Powerbook anyway, the screen is cracked.
Re:As long as it's faster than my P-P-P-Powerbook (Score:2)
Re:As long as it's faster than my P-P-P-Powerbook (Score:4, Funny)
And really, who needs system-wide spell check anyway?
Yawn - more unsubstantiated speculation (Score:4, Insightful)
It's not even a wild-ass guess that may become true, nor rampant speculation on something unlikely and unannounced. We all know Intel Powerbooks are coming, just not precisely when. This is just another educated guess within that timeframe.
Wake me when they have something substantive. Though by the time they have anything substantive, it'll be just a few days before the release or at the release anyway.
MOD PARENT DOWN (Score:5, Funny)
Re:MOD PARENT DOWN (Score:2)
Re:MOD PARENT DOWN (OT) (Score:2)
Re:Yawn - more unsubstantiated speculation (Score:2)
I believe you answered your own question there cap'n. Welcome aboard the USSFn Troll.
If you want hard data, perhaps you would be more comfortable at oldcomputers.net (or
For those of us who care, the article serves to indicate that the
Re:Yawn - more unsubstantiated speculation (Score:2)
If you knew or suspected I was trolling, why did you bite?
Of course, you're a troll yourself, but I just felt I had to respond to a detail in your post. "Welcome aboard the USSFn Troll." More specifically "USSFn".
Due to your unintentional bright shining ray of inspirons [dell.com] (inspirational particles), I just found a nice way to refer to the Fn key on laptop keyboards. Call it the "Friggin key". That's nice and pronouncable isn't
Re:Yawn - more unsubstantiated speculation (Score:2)
Re:Yawn - more unsubstantiated speculation (Score:5, Funny)
Apple wants to use the dual-core "Yonah", not... (Score:5, Informative)
Yonah is scheduled to arrive in January 2006, and will be followed in Q3/2006 by "Merom".
Most "Yonah" models are dual core, but a low-end model with only one core will be available. Apple will most likely opt to use the dual core "Yonah".
Merom will add 64 bits - yes, Yonah is 32 bits only.
Should anyone be surprised? (Score:5, Insightful)
It has been speculated in many places that one of the main reasons Intel was chosen over AMD was mobile CPUs. Notebooks is one area where Apple is far behind PCs in terms of perceived performance. While servers and desktops have received new generations of PowerPC chips, the notebooks still use G4s. Although they've been updated, they're still G4s. It would stand to reason that this would be a main area of focus for Steve Jobs and Apple once the change had been made.
Re:Should anyone be surprised? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Should anyone be surprised? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Should anyone be surprised? (Score:3, Informative)
Granted, Intel's new notebook-level chip is not out yet either, but past performance has likely shown Apple that Intel can be relied upon to not screw up the supply chain at least. Plus I would imagine that Apple's already seen this not-yet-
could backfire (Score:3, Interesting)
First glance you may say, good for apple, they still get the money. However, what that starts to do is move mindshare for apple to a premium hardware supplier, not a platform supplier.
I believe there are many people that will consider doing this, and I think this could hurt OSX. This move could put Apple (overtime) going Head to Head with Dell not MS.
Re:could backfire (Score:2)
I personally don't like OSX, but LOVE the Apple hardware. I would be interested in purchasing a Titanium (x86) and putting Windows and Linux on it.
Blasphemer!...
Ok, sort of kidding, but also wondering if you've really given it a chance. Beyond that, you know... hey, whatever floats your boat.
First glance you may say, good for apple, they still get the money. However, what that starts to do is move mindshare for apple to a premium hardware supplier, not a platform supplier.
I believe there are many peo
Re:could backfire (Score:2)
I don't understand (Score:5, Insightful)
1. Current OS X users.
They will almost invariable switch to the new Intel-based macs. I would say that most of them don't even know or care what chipset they are running on.
2. New OS X users.
These are people who will now be enticed to switch, because of the Intel move, that otherwise wouldn't have been. Perhaps they were waiting for the extra performance that Apple can offer in a laptop now that they have Intel processors. Perhaps they like that they can recompile their x86 specific programs on Macs now. (Yay! SBCL w/ Threading on OS X!? Dare I dream!?!?)
3. New Mac Hardware users (but not OS X)
This is the group you seem to be in. You want the Mac hardware, but don't care for the OS. I can't say I agree with you, but that's beside the point.
So, Apple will have all the people they have now (group 1), some new folks (group 2) and some additional hardware sales to people who are going to install Linux or Windows or BSD or something on the box (group 3).
Do you seiously believe that group 3 is big enough compared to the combined sizes of groups 1 and 2 that it will do anything other than add more to Apple's bottom-line? You aren't going to affect Apple's image unless group 3 is BIG or astonishingly well publisized.
Besides, even if group 3 were very large, we are talking about people who are buying the Hardware for the Hardware's sake. Because it's high-quality, attractive hardware. This could NEVER put them into direct competition with Dell. Dell is all about volumes. High volumes at low prices. Apple is EXACTLY the opposite. If Apple were buying the cheapest parts at the highest volumes to crank out machines as quickly and cheaply as possible, then group 3 wouldn't exist.
Well, those are my thoughts. You know the drill. Grain of sand and what-not.
Justin Dubs
Re:I don't understand (Score:2)
There's also group 4: people who have already installed Linux or BSD to their Macs. The additional hardware sales from switching to x86 will only come from the small number of individuals who want Apple hardware and want to run Windows without running Virtual PC (and that's assuming x86 Macs are
Re:I don't understand (Score:2)
I mean seriously how many people are going to dump OSX for a less supported linux or BSD. If you don't like aqua run it in just X mode (personally I like running them side by side). I just see no point in switching.
This is coming from someone who really likes linux but owns 2 Macs.
Re:I don't understand (Score:2)
I worked at an Apple laptop repair depot here in Memphis about a year and a half ago. Let me assure you, they don't buy the cheapest parts, they manufacture the cheapest parts. This is why approximately 2 out of every 3 laptops that roll off the line fail miserably and have to go back to be refurbished. Ever wonder why Apple hardware is so expensive? You're
Re:I don't understand (Score:3, Interesting)
"Dream?" Fantasize is more like it. If "recompiling" was all it takes, there would be no differences between what is available under OS X from anything else. Recompiling of C or C++ code (so long as it doesn't need to interact with Quartz/Aqua) targeting PPC has been available since Day One for OS X.
While it is one thing to run faceless software that can connect
Re:could backfire (bwa ha ha ha ha) (Score:2, Insightful)
And your argument that this will "move mindshare for apple to a premium hardware supplier, not a platform supplier." Doesn't really make much sense either, because if apple does manage to gain mindshare as a premium hardware vendor, they would happily go up against Dell, as apple has much better
Re:could backfire - but it probably won't (Score:2, Insightful)
no, they just won't offer supp (Score:5, Insightful)
Don't forget as well, that virtual PC will truely *fly* under OS X on intel - it takes away most of the requirements for emulation, so if you need windows stuff, that'll be the way to do it, it won't suck performance wise like it does now.
Re:could backfire (Score:2)
Re:could backfire (Score:5, Insightful)
I personally don't like OSX, but LOVE the Apple hardware. I would be interested in purchasing a Titanium (x86) and putting Windows and Linux on it. I odn't believe I'm alone with that opinion either.
First glance you may say, good for apple, they still get the money. However, what that starts to do is move mindshare for apple to a premium hardware supplier, not a platform supplier.
I believe there are many people that will consider doing this, and I think this could hurt OSX. This move could put Apple (overtime) going Head to Head with Dell not MS.
apple has a much much better chance at competing with dell and gaining market share than they do against microsoft. selling hardware to windows users is a damned good business plan for apple - can you say iPod? profits from OS X are minimal, they give it away with their machines. so, suddenly that other, oh, 95% of computer users are potential apple hardware customers. windows users will switch hardware vendors (eg. dell to hp to apple) at the drop of a hat. but switching operating systems, even if it costs nothing, is a huge investment of one's time in relearning everything and repurchasing applications. so among committed windows users (eg. 80% or more of all computer users), "mindshare for apple" is already zero. this will change that. dramatically.
now, literally millions of windows users will pick up apple powerbooks and imacs because the hardware is so #%#$%#$% awesome. at the same time, that gives them free access to OS X, while not forcing them to use it. so that massively opens up the potential market for (higher-margin) apple software products like FinalCut, DVD Studio Pro, etc., which are really top-of-the-line in their class.
remember in the 90's, apple headed down that road of trying to compete with microsoft, licencing clone manufacturers of apple hardware. it was suicidal. jobs is smarter than that. look for apple to triple their hardware sales (where they make most of their profit) in the next few years...
Re:could backfire (Score:2)
I really doubt it. Most people aren't going to want to pay the premium for Apple hardware just to run Windows and/or Linux. Sure, there will be a few, but not many - especially when the Dell is going to cost hundreds less and come with Windows pre-installed. If anything Apple may hurt sales of more premium brands like the Thinkpad, since
Re:could backfire (Score:2)
Care to give a brief explanation as to why? Lots of people don't like Apple, or bemoan the lack of certain bits of software, but I don't think I've ever spoken to anyone who didn't like OSX itself.
Cheers.
Re:could backfire (Score:2)
I personally like the underlying BSD, but don't much care for the GUI. It's just not how I'm used to working.
Re: Could Backfire? (Score:3, Interesting)
Acquisition plans on hold... (Score:2, Interesting)
I've no plans to buy PC or Mac hardware until I see the value proposition Apple offers in its future products. I am all Mac PowerPC now, but I keep eyeing those cheap Wintel boxes (today it is $299.00 after mail in rebate for an HP with 15" LCD). Hard to resist a bargain.
I don't need new hardware, but if the Mactels allow me to run PC application via Wine or some other software, I'll go for it real fast.
What I would really like to is have one drive boot into MacOS and another with an alternative OS. I wou
Re:Acquisition plans on hold... (Score:2)
Reason to Switch (Score:2)
Duh! I can't believe I missed that. Of course, one of the great advantages of OS X running on x86 hardware is that Apple can bundle WINE and users can run Windows applications at full speed. Imagine the possibilities: Aqua's acclaimed GUI, most of the great Unix software, and all the popular Windows applications, all in one OS. Could switching ever be more attractive?
Well of course (Score:3, Insightful)
It's the flagship line for Apple, the most visible (non iPod) member of it's product range, and is probably the driver for most iBook sales as well (for the people who can't afford the real thing). So of course it'll be the first to go Intel. iBooks follow, naturally. Powermacs and xServes will be last - Pro users have a much bigger investment in software and peripherials so will be slower to move anyway. And the mini? Probably somewhere inbetween, and not far behind the iBooks.
It's so obvious when you put it like that (Score:3, Insightful)
The Intel Powerbooks have to be first [...] Powermacs and xServes will be last - Pro users have a much bigger investment in software and peripherials so will be slower to move anyway.
So, pro users will be slowest to move, and thus the last targeted for transition, and the first thing to change will be the PowerBooks, which are targeted at pro users? Your logic has some internal consistency issues.
Re:It's so obvious when you put it like that (Score:5, Informative)
The next 1984? Not quite. (Score:2, Insightful)
WHO SAID Another 1984????? (Score:4, Funny)
Ready to take the plunge? (Score:3, Insightful)
No more 12"? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:No more 12"? (Score:2)
Re:No more 12"? (Score:2)
Re:No more 12"? (Score:2)
Yes, it is. It's 1 pound lighter than a 15", and 2 pounds lighter than a 17". It takes up a whole lot less space too. 12" and 15" might not seem far apart as numbers, but as laptop sizes there's a world of difference once you've actually got to take it places, instead of just sit it on your desk.
Re:No more 12"? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:No more 12"? (Score:3, Insightful)
To be honest I was quietly expecting Apple to do something like that with the iMac range - you essentially have something very much like the G5 iMacs with wireless keyboard and mouse and simply add the ability to pick the the up off it's stand carry it somewhere else and use
Re:No more 12"? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:No more 12"? (Score:3, Informative)
How's this for a workaround?:
Re:No more 12"? (Score:2)
What about applications? (Score:4, Insightful)
In particular, there's no point getting pro-level Mactels into the wild unless Office and Creative Suite are ready to go Intel-native. Maybe MS and Adobe have quietly moved into high gear on the conversion. But last I read, Adobe was thinking late 2006 to get its Carbon-based apps ready for market.
No pro user will rely on Rosetta. On the other hand, one would assume Apple with have its iWork and iLife suites flipped, along with the applications which come with OS X. That will allow home users to make the switch in fairly short order. I'm sure the rumored widescreen iBooks will sell well right out of the box.
But a Mactel Powerbook makes no sense without pro applications. If Apple is really pushing advance release, they must have convinced their major software partners to get a move on.
Re:What about applications? (Score:2)
Re:What about applications? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:What about applications? (Score:5, Funny)
These kids today and their universal binaries; back in the 68K->PPC transition we ran the entire OS under emulation -- and we liked it!
And I just ordered a 12" powerbook.... (Score:2)
Re:And I just ordered a 12" powerbook.... (Score:2)
My next laptop (Score:5, Interesting)
Craploads of RAM and HD space
Running the latest version of OSX
Running any version of Windows and Linux in VM spaces
Just reduced my development test machines from four to one
I've currently got six separate machines. My main development box (Suse 9.3), my game box (WinXP), and my four test machines for compatability testing ( WinXP, Win2k on cheap beige boxen, Suse9.3 on a decent IBM Thinkpad, OSX on a MacMini ). Reduce my test machines down to one machine that's also my portable. Lowers my power bill, more desk space, and a portable I can do ANYTHING on (from development, to BF2/Civ4)
Thinking... (Score:2)
AMD is knocking the socks off the current Intel dual core chips but the second generation of those chips is ready for imminent release. The first generation of those Intel Dual Core chips are not keeping with the power usage that Apple wants and needs. Apple would most likely be going for the second generation of Intel Dual Core chips. Until then they are running Quad PowerMac G5's which will h
How about Winex/Cedega? (Score:3, Insightful)
Widescreen? (Score:3, Insightful)
I never understood this widescreen frenzy that's going on these days. On a computer, widescreen is much less useful than on a TV. High-screen, that would be handy, because then you can see more of the document you are typing. But why anyone would want a widescreen laptop is beyond me.
Re:Widescreen? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:So THAT'S the reason? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:So THAT'S the reason? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:So THAT'S the reason? (Score:2)
Re:So THAT'S the reason? (Score:4, Informative)
Rant answer:
"G5" alphabetically follows "G4," but that does not automatically mean that a given processor architecture, hidden behind a simplistic marketing name, is appropriate for all uses.
The designation of G3/G4/G5 were arbitrary marketing simplifications for consumers. Each G# referred to a family of chips, some of which are appropriate for mobile, some of which aren't. Demanding a "G5 Powerbook" is one of the simplest knee jerk, ignorant battle cries I've heard in a while. Apple could have called the latest rev of Powerbooks the "G5 series" and been done with it.
Hell why not play like Netscape (or iTunes) and skip 5.0 entirely, and call the current band of anemic Powerbooks G6?
WHO THE FUCK CARES WHAT NUMBER IS ASSIGNED TO A MODEL?
Silly answer:
Having the current PowerMac G5 CPU bolted onto a PowerBook would provide 30 minutes of lap scorching fun.
Re:"exhaustive, yet fruitful pace" (Score:2, Funny)
"We're tired, but guess what... I got Quake3 to run at 120fps"
Re:Will it cost more than a Dell running Windows? (Score:3, Informative)
Why does Apple still want to control the hardware? Why don't they just port to Intel and let vendors sell Intel machinces with licensed versions of Mac OS. It'll be cheaper.
Because they then control the drivers and save themselves from the driver compatibility hell that Microsoft has been going through for years. One crappy driver reduces the "experience of Macintosh," and that is not something Jobs would want to do.
Re:Will it cost more than a Dell running Windows? (Score:2)
Re:Will it cost more than a Dell running Windows? (Score:5, Insightful)
Because they're largely a hardware company? I mean, why does Dell still want control over their hardware? Why don't they just package their Dell restore CD to work on other vendor's machines? It'll be cheaper, right?
Only cheaper != more profit. In order to sell their OS as their primary business, they'd need to make it support an ungodly number of weird hardware configurations, and probably raise the price of OSX a whole lot just to stay profitable. Plus, then they'd need to worry much more about piracy. When you're a hardware company, you don't need to worry too much about people downloading your product.
Re:Will it cost more than a Dell running Windows? (Score:5, Insightful)
Right now for a $1k system they might get $100 profit. If they license OS X for $30, they might get $20 profit (being optimistic here). So if they sold $1.6b Macs last quarter, and have 10% margins (they actually have reported 9.6%), they made $160m; if they license overnight, they'll have to sell 80m copies to make the same amount of profit. Only 177m PCs were shipped last year, so they'd have to take HUGE chunks of the market in order to make a transition profitable.
News [com.com] article about shipment last year.
So it's not good enough that shipping OS X for Intel is cheaper; it has to be profitable. Microsoft is profitable because they got $30 or so for every PC shipped last year, or $5b in OS licenses last year.
2) Why do they want a bigger share? They only need to make more money, and that doesn't necessarily equate to bigger share. As I outlined about, $100 per PC vs $20 per PC requires an overnight 5x increase in shipment.
If Apple wants to lower prices, they still have lots of things they can do:
a) strip out components: Compare a Mac mini to an XBox 360 or PS3
b) use cheaper components
c) increase process efficiencies
None of those things have anything to do with adopting OS X for Intel en masse.
Re:Will it cost more than a Dell running Windows? (Score:2)
Yes, but when the price of a 'premium' computer falls to $500 (and it will soon), then they are looking at a $50 profit, then a $30 profit, etc etc. [I remember the days when Apple cleared $1000 profit on each Mac sold.]
If they license OS X for $30, they might get $20 profit
And they might sell two OS upgrades for $100 profit each, plus iLife upgrades, plus a higher potential
Re:Will it cost more than a Dell running Windows? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Will it cost more than a Dell running Windows? (Score:4, Informative)
1. Because Apple is a Hardware and Software Business, unlike Microsoft. 80% of Apple's profits come from their hardware.
2. Increased development and debugging time to try and make it run on a vast selection of hardware which in turns makes it buggier, slower, and more driver failure prone.
3. Apple doesn't like the idea of Mac OS X, which is beautiful, running on ugly ass hardware.
4. Apple doesn't want to have to try and support everything under the sun, which is what Microsoft tries to do, but often never goes well.
5. Apple doesn't have any form of anti-piracy software in any of their current builds of the consumer level OS. Only the Server editions get that.
6. People would pirate OS X and take a huge chunk out of that measily 20% of their profit intake, take into consideration that already 80% of their profits would be gone, because of supporting other computers.
> I've often heard it said that Apple has priced itself out of the market. If they want a bigger market share they'll need to take advantage of cheaper prices that come through competition. My guess is that if Apple is allowing only specific hardware to run their OS it'll envitably be more expensive.
And those people that say such stuff are about as bright as a lightbulb in a closed fridge. Steve has repeatly said they have no interest in garnering a huge marketshare. They are happy with what they want. Take into consideration what would happen if all of a sudden they had a huge marketshare.
1. Suddenly troubleshooting and technical help services would have to multiply in their size exponentially to keep up with the market mass.
2. Suddenly they'd have to start supporting every piece of hardware under the sun that Windows does, because customers will whine.
3. Suddenly the OS will have a lot more attention from the cracker community, yeah cracker, not hacker. While OS X and all *nix systems are far superior in their security model than Windows, its still not crackproof.
I'd also like to point out if you looked at any of Sony, VoodooPC, Alienware, or other vendors... outside of that discount bargin crap stuff like Dell. You'll see that Apple's hardware is more than reasonable pricing.
I doubt that prices will rise. One of the biggest reasons Apple went with Intel is because Intel is the 800lb gorilla of the market. They can give HUGE discounts on their CPUs that AMD and IBM/MOTOROLA/FREESCALE just can't match. Not because of some "performance lead on the competition." Anyone that can put 1 and 1 together knows AMD clobbers Intel in the gaming, 64-bit, server, and price market.
Right now there is virtually no difference in hardware between OS X and the average run of the mill PC. Outside of the processor and motherboard, which will soon not be there at all. I'm pretty confident that the prices will either stay at their current level or drop down a bit.
Re:Will it cost more than a Dell running Windows? (Score:2)
I always laugh at people who say things like this. Apple is out to make money, and they have been successful in carving out a niche market where they sell an OS tied to their hardware, so that's the way it's going to continue. But if tomorrow the winds changed and it would be more profitable to license their OS to other vendors, they would do it. Just like how they switched from PPC to x86.
Besides, if they didn't
Re:Will it cost more than a Dell running Windows? (Score:2)
Re:Will it cost more than a Dell running Windows? (Score:4, Informative)
Off the top of my head: One, because they make a good profit on the hardware. Two, because the limited hardware choices simplify OS development, and allow them to make the overall package more reliable.
I've often heard it said that Apple has priced itself out of the market.
This is business, not sports. Just because you're not the top dog doesn't mean you "lost the game". Apple is a niche company in the PC market, and they seem pretty comfortable in that position. 3% marketshare (or whatever it is) doesn't sound like much, but don't forget, it's 3% of a very large number. Apple has been making shitloads of money for the last five years, and will continue to do so in the near future.
Re:Will it cost more than a Dell running Windows? (Score:4, Insightful)
Probably, but how much time can I save by using a Mac instead, and how much is that time worth?
Re:Will it cost more than a Dell running Windows? (Score:4, Interesting)
Consider if you said that about Ferrari or BMW. They have high priced product, and they certainly sell a lower volume than companies that focus on cheap product that has a large market share. Their business sense is generally not questioned; they have a loyal customer base who is willing to pay for their brand. Even items with the Ferrari and BMW logo like jackets and... well... laptops sell well.
Apple is a brand associated with high quality products. Thus they do not compete on price, but rather on perceived quality.
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Evan