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Sony Ericsson's P990 Smartphone Released 216

Dynamoo writes "After months of rumors, Sony Ericsson has finally announced their P990 Symbian smartphone. Packing both UMTS (3G) and WiFi in addition to a 2 megapixel digital camera and a host of other goodies, the P990 looks like it will be a shot in the arm for the Symbian camp. There's no indication of a US release for this handset, but the rest of the world can expect to see it early next year."
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Sony Ericsson's P990 Smartphone Released

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 10, 2005 @04:20PM (#13759102)
    Ericsson later recalled the product, observing "We were so keen to cram in so much shit you'll never, ever use, that we forgot to make it work as an actual phone."
    • Too true (Score:2, Troll)

      by Sanity ( 1431 )
      I have a P910, I upgraded from a P900 - largely due to not having any better options - and I regret it. The software crashes, performing basic phone tasks takes longer than with simpler phones, its just over-complicated.

      My next phone will have the simplest UI I can find unless they have made significant advances in the usability of the P9XX series.

      • I have a Motorola A1000 - a UIQ v2 based phone.

        Fucking useless OS isn't it? Quite sad considering I know a couple of people that work at Symbian, but I think the fault is with UIQ.

        If it didn't crash it'd be okay. But it does crash. I tried to make a phone call today, wondered why I wasn't getting a ring, looked at the screen to see the "Motorola 3G" logo pop up as it rebooted. Just for making a phone call!

        Windows Mobile (which I've also used) is around 3 years ahead of the Symbian + UIQ combination. At leas
      • Trouble with most Smartphones is you can't upgrade the firmware yourself. This is the one area where Windows Mobile devices shine, user upgradability. Sony Ericsson devices had a problem with large text messages (SMS), fixing it requires sending your phone back to a service centre? which means finding another phone to use in the mean time.
    • Keep in mind that the P800, P900 & P910 phones get GREAT reception. I usually get 3 bars in areas where people using the "free" phones get no signal at all.
  • by yagu ( 721525 ) * <yayagu AT gmail DOT com> on Monday October 10, 2005 @04:21PM (#13759114) Journal

    from the article: Internal memory is 80Mb, and this is expandable through Sony Memory Stick Pro Duo cards (64Mb is included, 2Gb maximum).

    'Nuff said.

    Enough with the proprietary memory stick technology already!

    I hate company's that use a stick to sell their product.

    A memory carrot would be more to my liking. (Can you say SD, or MMC?)

    • 99.9% of '5 in 1' memory card readers can read memory sticks. I don't see what your problem is.
      • Memory sticks cost nearly twice as much as CompactFlash or SD cards.
      • One of the fun things about smartphones is you can pop out your SD or CF card from your camera and show everyone your just taken pics on a much larger screen.... yes you can now do this if you stick solely with sony... but you're limited.

        (I'm stuck too, I have a CF camera and a SD phone)
      • Because if it wasn't for Sony we would have '4 in 1' memory card readers. In fact, if you forget about Smartmedia which is obsolete, you really should only need SD/MM and Compact Flash. Seeing an expansion bay in my computer with 6 different slots in it as a result of companies arguing to eachother over standards is just sad.

        Don't you remember what life was like with parallel ports, serial ports, PS/2 ports, etc.... they have all been replaced by USB and life is good now. Why can't we do the same thing for
    • by emj ( 15659 ) on Monday October 10, 2005 @04:43PM (#13759286) Journal
      Well SD would be fine and dandy if there was no license issues. You have to pay alot of money to the SD consortium for using the SD standard, among the members is Microsoft. Did you know that the spec is closed as well so you can't release drivers under opensource.

      Proprietary formats sucks.
    • Uh- Bad naming. Seriously, how many people are going to do a search and leave out the M due to a typo. Search for Sybian. Seriously. It is a sex machine... Don't they test these names?
    • Enough with the proprietary memory stick technology already!

      Yesyes, because we all know that 90%, heck even 60% of the consumers spend their time messing around with hardware and developing for an open format.

      I hate company's that use a stick to sell their product.

      Oh wow. I didn't know it was abnormal for a company to support its products. If you had a company and your company created some kind of USB-like device claiming that it's as good if not, better than USB Memory Keys and your company ends up using U
  • Why all the Cameras? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by LexNaturalis ( 895838 ) on Monday October 10, 2005 @04:23PM (#13759130)
    Nearly all the news phones released lately have digital cameras in them. This poses a problem for me, because I'm unable to bring anything into my place of employment that has a camera on it. Some of these new phones are fantastic, but I won't be purchasing them because I'd be unable to bring them to work with me. I'm sure folks in my situation are in a minority, but it's frustrating sometimes to know that something neat like this it out of your grasp.
    • Get a blackberry - they specifically don't include cameras because their data security conscious customers (govt military, etc.) are concerned about them.
    • I'm sure folks in my situation are in a minority, but it's frustrating sometimes to know that something neat like this it out of your grasp.

      There are plenty of folks in your situation and they are all quite vocal about it. I tend to agree with you but there are always some slimmed down versions of phones which are available for people in your situation. I have two friends that cannot bring cameras into work. One bought a lower end model phone for $49 and uses that. The other just doesn't bring his phone
      • Cameras can also be handy after an auto accident, like the one I was in last friday. The resolution is good enough for snapping license/insurance/registration as a backup for handwriting, and taking pix of the damage can be helpful as well.

        Also, 'citizen journalism'. Camphones are a big win here, and videophones look to be even better.

        Also, on my last Grand Tour of Continental Europe, I used my P800's cam to take _all_ my pix, as my PowerShot had given up the ghost a short time before. Even without flash
    • A minority, true, but not a small minority.

      Any company that does research and development should have policies about cameras. Some military jobs probably have similar restrictions.

      I had jury duty recently, and was not able to bring in a camera phone.
    • Many manufacturers produce two versions of their phones. Those intended for home users, that come with cameras and those for the vertical markets/Saudi Arabia that may have some features removed (cameras) or disabled (wireless connectivity that may compromise security). Or so I've heard.

      If anyone could confirm this story with actual product numbers I'd appreciate it.
    • This poses a problem for me, because I'm unable to bring anything into my place of employment that has a camera on it.
      Find an employer that trusts you.

      Seriously, if an employee is determined to compromise the security of their employer, they will do it, with or without a camera phone.

    • Well, there are excellent phones with a miriad of features (PDA combo) that have been made exactly for the kind of market that you represent. Nokia has been extremely responsive, I think, by releasing the 9300. I have seen it, looks great, really sleek. And, no camera - on purpose!
    • Removing external features is easy! Here's a simple, two step guide to removing camera functionality from your PDA:

      1) Get a ball point pen.
      2) Shove the pen deep into the CCD - cracking it so that it can no longer hold a charge.

      VOILA! Camera-free PDA! This same "break the main part" technique can be used on a remarkably large range of electronic functions, including:
      -Phone (more complicated - you have to remove the antenna)

      Virtually any external feature you don't like can be remo
      • we're a large company, and some of what we do is sensitive: so we don't allow cameras on some sites. however, we have a global deal with vodafone, and a lot of their phones come with cameras.
        there was a period when virtually all of their business class phones came with cameras, and it was actually more expensive to buy large quantities of camera-less ones - so some creative thinking was required. the lenses were coated with a nigh-on impossible to remove paint that bonded with the plastic - doesn't hit
  • Sony Ericsson say that the P990 can support all major push email protocols, including Blackberry.

    . . . so this can replace my soon to be defunct [slashdot.org] Blackberry?

    Now will someone tell me why all interesting new gadgetery is so slow to be released in the US.
  • by Jherek Carnelian ( 831679 ) on Monday October 10, 2005 @04:25PM (#13759150)
    Can anyone recommend a high-quality DUMB phone?

    These are features I'm looking for:

    o) No camera
    o) No games
    o) No Java
    o) No blue-tooth/wi-fi
    o) Just a really big phonebook + clock
    o) Really, really, small
    o) Really, really tough (titanium alloy? liquid metal?)
    o) Lots of stand-by time, lots of talk-time
    o) Fast (and quiet) power on/off times
    o) GSM (my current carrier is T-Mobile)
    • by Wesley Felter ( 138342 ) <wesley@felter.org> on Monday October 10, 2005 @04:30PM (#13759183) Homepage
      How about the RAZR? You can just ignore the features you don't use. (You'll never find a phone that meets that whole list, because that market is too small.)
      • How about the RAZR? You can just ignore the features you don't use.

        I think the camera is mandatory on the razr. For my needs (if I told you, I would have to kill you) there must be no camera, and simply breaking the camera is not enough to pass muster.
      • by itomato ( 91092 )
        I thought that - I was wrong.

        The RAZR is crap. It's svelte crap, but crap to be sure.

        The UI is needlessly complex, compared to a NOKIA at least.
        The ringer volume is too low
        There are too many buttons & too many features
        The vibrate is too gentle

        Bluetooth? Not on a simple phone..
        MP3 ringtones? Not on a simple phone..
        Camera? Not on a simple phone..

        The problem is, to get a phone with few features, you're getting a phone that's ugly, big, and uses less-than-high-end components. It's free, there are plent
    • This [3g.co.uk] looks right up your alley.
    • How about a Nokia 1100 [nokia.com]?

      It does have one extra feature, a flashlight, but I'm sure you can put tape over it and pretend it's not there.
      It also isn't really, really small, because like most phones it has buttons, a screen and a microphone + speaker combination.
      It isn't made of liquid metal, but seems to have non-slippery sides.

    • You can have a dumb phone, I want a phone with easy buttons.

      My god, I picked up my sister's 3 year old motorolla to make a call the other day, and it was wonderful, I pushed 10 numbers, and it took them all.

      My current motorolla I have to watch the display as I key in numbers as the 5 works about 30% of the time, the 6 about 80% and the rest are all right, but are so small compared to the dead space that I miss them on occassion.

      And my Treo... that's a great phone, but good god man, there's no good way to di
    • by MoonBuggy ( 611105 ) on Monday October 10, 2005 @05:16PM (#13759512) Journal
      I don't see why these comments always come up. There are plenty of "dumb" phones. Nokia 1100, as mentioned above, would be my preference to meet your criteria, although the 8910 (NOT the 8910i, that i makes alot of difference) does have your requested titanium alloy casing it's got bluetooth too, but you can always (gasp) switch it off. Alternatively buy any of the older models (3310, 3410, Ericsson T28, Siemens A50 etc.) from eBay with a new battery.

      Basic phones don't get ./ stories because there's already plenty to choose from any (suprisingly enough) they don't compete on features like smartphones do. If you want one, buy one.
    • As a matter of interest, why no bluetooth?

      It the only thing on a mobiler phone I really wanted, since it allows me to phone handsfree(illegal to phone on the move in the UK). Unfortunately this seems to be considered a high end feature so I had to buy a phone with a lot of other rubbish(camera, etc) just to get the one feature I did want.

      My perfect phone would be the above+bluetooth, since it allows you to connect with your other high end devices if you wish later
      • My perfect phone would be the above+bluetooth, since it allows you to connect with your other high end devices if you wish later

        Not to mention sync your phone numbers with your computer.
    • Check out the Nokia 1221 from tracfone [tracfone.com] (site generally only loads well in ie, imho - don't let your pride get in the way of cheap cellular telephone service)

      Combine an old school phone that does ONLY phone stuff (I suppose it techincally has games - I've never played them. the interface is clean and phone centric) with modern batteries and you have one very useful piece of tech.

      The display is nice easy to read text.

      It's great! Tracfone uses the cingular network so you should have good coverage.

      This costs me
    • by MacGod ( 320762 ) on Monday October 10, 2005 @06:30PM (#13760043)
      Re: I want a super-simple phone.

      You know, I used to think the same thing. All I wanted was a small, light, no-ringtones, no-camera, black-and-white-screen phone. But I just moved to the UK and bought a Samsung E350 slider phone. It has an MP3/AAC player, a camera, a colour screen, Java games and all that.

      But you know what? It's small, the battery life is as good as any other phone I've ever owned (including black-and-white bare basics phones). It weighs next to nothing, the call quality is good, and I just don't use the games or any other extraneous features.

      And wouldn't you know it? Within a day of getting the USb cable for the phone, I set my ringtone to an MP3 of the Star Wars theme song (from the Rebellion's medal ceremony at the end of A New Hope). And I took a goofy self-portrait for my wallpaper. Why not? It's fun, a little silly, but entertaining.

      I think the "I just want a simple phone!" is at times overstated. What I really want is a phone that doesn't make too many compromises for extra features. I don't need video recording capabilities, but if it can add them without sacrificing size or battery life, I'm not too worried. And besides, I do like gadgets (and I can't imagine I'm alone in that regard, especially not on Slashdot), so why wouldn't I want my phone to be gadgety?

      I think we geeks are just more sensitive to tradeoffs. There are a lot of phones that are heavy on features, but sacrifice basic useability to get there. The Microsoft Word of phones, if you will. But there also exist phones that are good compromises. Just don't use the features you don't need.
    • ummm - two pringles can and a string ?
    • LG 4010 -- it's about 2cm thick when closed, flip-phone, black and white display. Not a lot of expandability, but you can get one unlocked on eBay for about $30.

      I used this phone because I wanted a small/thin flip phone. Last week I upgraded to the Panasonic X800 [panasonic.co.jp]
    • It's tiny, and GSM..

      http://www.panasonic.it/Products_Info.asp?M=2529 [panasonic.it]|7 38|737|736|4|1

      Sorry the page is in italian, and those fuckers at panasonic don't seem to like firefox either.
  • by Sheetrock ( 152993 ) on Monday October 10, 2005 @04:27PM (#13759170) Homepage Journal
    It's getting harder and harder to justify a cellphone upgrade with every 'iteration' of technology. Indeed, as with other electronics, it's to the point where the only truly practical reason to pick up a new device is because the old device is broken.

    With the increasing price of oil, I can't help wondering what the face of computing is going to look like five or ten years down the line. The average computer uses as much as 37 Conestoga wagons worth of coal to run on any given day. Much of this is spent on wasteful peripherals we could do without, such as fancy 3D graphics cards or optical mice, but even more is being spent on processing power well beyond the needs of the average user.

    Inefficiencies in microcomponent fabrication mean that a great deal of the electricity that goes into your computer is given off as heat. Techniques such as reversible or quantum computing hold much promise in the future for putting more energy into computation but today it is up to the consumer to safeguard the environment.

    In a way, the argument is the same as with vehicles -- most people don't need a SUV or a top-of-the-line system but many choose to get them to compensate for inadequacies or because of marketing -- but with computers at least it is impossible to argue you are "safer" for having a faster system. Indeed, you are more likely to run viruses or worms without realizing it because you don't notice the hit in operating performance. If anything this argument is stronger with a cellphone that can be reprogrammed by malware to call phone numbers that cost you a lot of money or hassle.

    I've noticed that I've been holding on to computer equipment longer and longer these days. Oh sure, I have to fix a power supply here and a fan there, but besides slack engineering standards from software companies there is little reason to keep up with the hardware treadmill... and at least one compelling reason not to.

    • by Roguelazer ( 606927 ) <(moc.liamg) (ta) (rezaleugoR)> on Monday October 10, 2005 @04:44PM (#13759296) Homepage Journal

      Hmm. I may have to call you out on several elements of that argument. Firstly:

      A Conestoga Wagon transported about 8 (short) tons of cargo (according to the wikipedia article). According to howstuffworks.com, coal produces approximately 2,460 kWh/ton. Now, your average computer/monitor combination draws between 150W and 200W, according to some basic research. That could also be written as .2kWh. So in 24 hours, this device draws, um, 4.8 kWh. Considering that a Conestoga Wagon's worth of coal would be about 19,680 kWh of power, I think we can safely assume that a computer uses about 1/12 of a Conestoga Wagon full of coal PER YEAR.

      What else? Um. The thought that lots of power is spent on optical mice is kind of funny. I haven't been able to find any concrete information, but since an optical mouse can run solely off the power provided by a PS/2 port, I'm going to assume that there's virtually no power usage involved.

      Strangely enough, though, I do agree with you. For basic tasks (word processing, web browsing, etc), I've never seen anybody who needed more than about a 1GHz machine. That's fast enough to handle the flashy graphics and jazz. I've always found it funny to see Intel advertising their latest 3.9GHz dual-core hyper-threading machine as good for web browsing. But, having played Doom 3 and Half-Life 2, I can tell you quite authoritatively that you can never have too much power in your graphics card. ;)

    • We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.

      Considering how neither of my kids (boys in their 20's) feel no compunction at all about paying back any of their debts no matter how extravagant their promises at the time of borrowing, I worry less about this debt every day.

    • Use a laptop : efficient ones use a *lot* less electricity than a desktop.
  • Slashvertising? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by hvatum ( 592775 )
    Is it just me or are a number of "stories" on Slashdot nothing more than glorified advertisements? Phones with mult-megaplixel cameras and built-in Wifi are nothing new [engadget.com].
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 10, 2005 @04:33PM (#13759213)
    Jeez, for a second I thought that the headline read SYBIAN smartphone, and that threw me off. Made me gaze in awe at how far technology has cum.
  • ...the P990 looks like it will be a shot in the arm for the Symbian camp.

    Unless they're shooting that thing out of a 50 calibur, I'm not exactly holding my breath for the triumphant Symbian comeback.
  • Packing both UMTS (3G) and WiFi in addition to a 2 megapixel digital camera and a host of other goodies, the P990 looks like it will be a shot in the arm for the Symbian camp.

    Looks like:

    1: New avenues to hack into my phone.
    2: More software that probably hasn't been adequately tested in the competative enviroment before release.

  • The real question is, can you run skype or other VOIP clients on it? Using VOIP when within range of a 802.11 network could save you a lot of minutes.

    Not to mention making long distance calls via 3G internet access. You're still using your minutes, but now you can call anywhere in the world without having to get a second mortgage on your house.
  • I sure hope it doesn't operate like any of the "Symbians" I've seen on usenet...

    Ring Ring


    Ring Ring

  • by vrv1 ( 867214 ) on Monday October 10, 2005 @04:58PM (#13759391)
    I have a p910a (and had a p800 before that) and one of the things that really stand out is the keyboard on the back of the keyflip. The keyflip can increase the size of the screen and become a PDA or when not used can become a cell phone (which is the most important use of the device). By doing away with that, there really is no reason to buy the p990 instead of the Palm 700 (other than that you are a rabid anti-u$ fanatic). You can argue that the P910a's design might result in higher strain on the hinges. But I found the hinges to be pretty sturdy and I always use my index fingers to support the body of the phone while I use the thumb to do the typing.

    This is a step back for the P series and i hope SonyEricsson will change it.

  • by snowballs ( 665092 ) on Monday October 10, 2005 @05:03PM (#13759420)
    * The screen is so big, that if you don't use Bluetooth or hands free, then the screen gets nasty pretty fast. It's a bitch to clean too.

    * Battery life is acceptable if you don't use push services

    * It's gotta be tough - the very first day I had my P910i, I dropped it from about 4ft. right onto the concrete and cringed knowing that I was about to be so very fired. I picked it up and the plastic on the side where the photo button had popped loose, but that's it. I used the stylus to pry it back in, and no problem except a bit of cosmetic damage. By and large, most of my Sony/Ericsson phones have been pretty tough. It's ironic that when Ericsson's phones stopped looking like little Volvos did they become less breakable for a klutz like myself.

    * the browser hangs sometimes, giving the white screen of no return. Battery removed, power back on and viola.

    * it's size is a bit clunky, but one option is to remove the flip entirely and TFM for this comes in the box. Even then, you almost have to use the holster that comes with it - it's just too damn big to put into your pocket.
  • I had an Ericsson T-somethingorother for about a year which I purchased because of its small size. The thing charged using these two flat copper strips exposed on the bottom. In fact, all electrical contacts were made using these exposed strips.

    The damn metal corroded, and it became impossible to consistently charge it for any length of time, and the headset became useless for the same reason. I junked it. Now I have a phone with a male charging plug, so hopefully the unexposed contacts won't wear out

    • "The damn metal corroded, and it became impossible to consistently charge it for any length of time, and the headset became useless for the same reason. I junked it. Now I have a phone with a male charging plug, so hopefully the unexposed contacts won't wear out as fast."

      You do know that those contacts are still exposed. Air is + moisture causes most corrosion. The real solution is to use gold plated contacts.
      The quality of the metal means a lot more than if it is a female jack or exposed contacts. Unless y
  • Title misleading (Score:3, Informative)

    by hkb ( 777908 ) on Monday October 10, 2005 @05:47PM (#13759731)
    Uhm, it's been announced, not released. Do the editors even read the stories they're posting anymore, or is it just a copy-paste-submit job?
  • the P990 looks like it will be a shot in the arm for the Symbian camp

    I do hope they've come up with programming API to it that doesn't suck compiler designer's hairy balls. I had a course on mobile programming last spring and boy did symbian suck (even compared to mobile java).

    I'm still of the optinion that whoever designed programming interface with 16 or more character string types was out of their mind and should be shot, multiple times.

  • This could be a nice platform to experiment with, considering the many ways to get connectivity. I got myself a K750i a few weeks ago, and I was quite impressed by the grade of documentation [sonyericsson.com] SE offers; They also seem to like open data formats, since both the theme files as well as remote control definitions (you can use the phone as a bluetooth HID, very handy with media player software) use tar archives with packaged PNG/JPG/GIF and XML files, which is a very nice aspect if you use linux and can't use the
  • The article says that this phone features Wi-Fi connectivity. Does that mean it is (or might soon be) possible to connect via something like Skype and make free calls to other Skype users (or cheap calls to actual phones) without consuming airtime? Because that would indeed be an extremely cool feature.
    • Re:Wi-Fi (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Dr. Sp0ng ( 24354 )
      The article says that this phone features Wi-Fi connectivity. Does that mean it is (or might soon be) possible to connect via something like Skype and make free calls to other Skype users (or cheap calls to actual phones) without consuming airtime?

      That's the idea. That's also why the wireless carriers have been dragging their feet on supporting phones with built-in WiFi.
  • Has the quality of Ericsson phones improved? Last I checked they were a piece of crap (2003). Sometimes phones get better like Nokia and sometimes they get worse like Motorola. I just looked at the pics the P990 is just as ugly as their other phones. I might consider it if it's better than the Treo, but then again it doesn't take a whole lot to be better than a Treo phone. I don't think any smartphone is ready for primetime. It'll be a few more years before a practical PDA/multimedia/phone is worth buying i

    • While I don't have a SonyEricsson myself (I'm using a Treo at the moment) I know a few people who do have the earlier versions of this phone.

      They love it. It's great. It does what it's meant to do, looks just fine, doesn't go wrong, doesn't break.

      I'm going to look seriously at this thing, because although the Treo is great as a PDA, it's somewhat lacking as a phone, and this meets my key criteria of phone/pda/wifi/qwerty keyboard all on one device. I have limited pocket space, and this meets the need.
  • Relocating the keypad to the main body of the phone is "a good thing" in my opinion. As it is anyway the sheer size of the screen sucks the life out of the battery pretty sharpish if you start doing intensive things (watching videos, using Opera, etc). Also, it is already a decent aspect ratio - you wouldn't want the screen taking up the space the QWERTY keyboard occupies because it would look completely out of proportion.

    Anyone who has used a P900 (ok, most people) will know that typing with the onscreen
  • by beeblebrox ( 16781 ) on Monday October 10, 2005 @09:18PM (#13761002)
    Putting (leaving?) my cynical hat on, it seems that Symbian was forced by the economics of the mobile phone business to screw the handset owners [symbian.com] in order to keep the network operators happy:

    Platform security is extended in Symbian OS v9, providing control over the capabilities of applications installed on the devices. This is done to ensure the integrity of the phones and the network, while still enabling an open environment for third party applications.


    installation of C++ executables, including authentication of software components using digital signatures to provide a measure of confidence that applications being installed onto a Symbian OS phone are from a known reputable vendor

    Their spin seems to be that if these controls are not put into place, the sky will fall on the smartphone world as angry users who installed crapware/malware on their phones will annoy the crap out of the network operators' support lines, and other assorted Bad Things will happen. You know, like it happened with PCs.

    Me, I just follow the money and I know what to expect: You wanna play? You pays your dues to enter Mr Telco's walled garden.

    If you're a P990 (or other Symbian 9 device) owner, you don't get to decide what to install/run. Mr Telco does. For Your Own Good, of course.

    Anyone want to take a bet which way it'll go?
  • Since this thing has 802.11b, do you think we can have a VOIP client on it? I'm sick of paying mobile phone rates when I work within range of at least two free hotspots.
  • ...is pretty useless to me.
    If I call somebody, I press the phone to my ear. And you get a big smeary blob on the screen, which needs to be wiped off. Which irritates me, quite apart from the uncomfortable shape.

    (Very funny. No, it's perfectly normal stuff from your skin, and not mud, blood, or whatever ;)

    So, guess what: I have a PDA with everything on it. And a simple phone. To call people with, nothing else.

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