The Intelligent Door Handle 227
Poromenos writes "Researchers at the Fraunhofer Institute have developed the intelligent door handle. It combines a camera, buzzer, RFID locks and various other systems inside the door, making keys obsolete. RFID chips for opening doors will offer 'added advantages for elderly or handicapped people, saving them the trouble of wielding keys or holding the door open in order to get inside the building.'"
Technology for technologies sake (Score:4, Insightful)
I would hate to be locked out of my house because of a power cut (battery charge doesn't last forever), or ignored because I'm drenched (and can't be recognised).
This is a solution searching for a problem.
(Having said that, electronic locks in addition to manual gives best of both worlds (like incar central locking)
Re:Technology for technologies sake (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Technology for technologies sake (Score:4, Interesting)
I turned it off after that. However, it was a neat feature at a parking lot -- just walk up to your car, open the door and hop in. Now, if the RFID would also activate the ingition, and there was just a button instead of a keyhole, it would have been even nicer since you would never have to take your keys out of your pocket to drive.
And if that became the case, then "keys" might transform into something easier to carry, like a credit card that you could just put in your wallet (like we used to have at work, a proximity badge for security access).
Re:Technology for technologies sake (Score:5, Interesting)
From
http://prius.toyota.com.au/toyota/vehicle/Content
.au because it came up first in Google...
I don't know about you... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I don't know about you... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Technology for technologies sake (Score:2)
Simply insert it in the keyslot, and press the Start button.
Bad. It's likely you will forget to put your key in occasionally. With current keyed ignitions, this is all but impossible. And I really don't see how this would be any easier than combining the key slot and the start button to gain the advantage of making it impossible to forget to put the key in (it could be mostly identical to a standard ignition: you merely turn the key to "start" or "on" rather than turn and hold to turn the engine), th
Re:Technology for technologies sake (Score:2)
Re:Technology for technologies sake (Score:2)
I'm not trolling, just curious - is this really a "cool new" feature in the US? Here in Europe, most new cars from middle-class upwards have this. Just carry your keycard in your wallet and press the Start button.
Re:Technology for technologies sake (Score:2, Funny)
Shhhhh! Don't tell the yanks! They're finally getting it now, only it's an expensive new feature. They're starting to catch up. They even got Fanta a few years ago!
To answer your questions though, yes, it is indeed a "cool new feature" in the states. This is straight out of the movies technology, as seen in The Transporter.
Re:Technology for technologies sake (Score:3, Insightful)
Yeah, I know you can have an external key or card containing another chip, but that kinda defeats your point, doesn't it?
The day when RFID scanners/duplicators are easily available probably isn't too far off, either. At least now, most people have to have physic
Re:Technology for technologies sake (Score:2, Interesting)
But if your friend also had a chip in their arm, you could just tell the car/house that your friend is ok to use it (and even specify the length of time they are 'ok' for, something you can't do with regular keys). No surgery required.
The day when RFID scanners/duplicators are easily available probably isn't too far off, either
Obvious solution: make RFID scanners/duplicators illegal! Tha
Not so fast buddy (Score:2, Insightful)
I'm sure there are bugs/flaws now, but give it some time.
I personally love innovation and research.
Just imagine if all those who poo-poo'd the idea of the Internet/World Wide Web had their way.
Re:Not so fast buddy (Score:3, Insightful)
In other news, scientists have invented a new way you can lock yourself out!
Seriously though, I can see this being used for businesses where they might want records of who's coming in and out, but I certainly wont be buying one for my house.
Re:Actually you have it completely backwards (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Actually you have it completely backwards (Score:4, Insightful)
> bad arthritis in her hands which makes it difficult for her sometimes
> to hold items like keys. My grandpa is also better off holding on
> to his walker instead of reaching out to keys.
Two excellent examples. Despite my own preference for mechanical keys and locks, this example indicates that something like this can provide real value to a lot of people.
that's cool (Score:2)
Still, like someone else mentioned, in a fire all this tech would be useless.
Re:Actually you have it completely backwards (Score:2)
Re:Perhaps inept wasn't the right word (Score:2)
Inept probably was not the word I was thinking off. Im thinking horribly slow adopters. The most advance piece of technology my grandpa has is probably his pacemaker because he is an eighty year old farmer. He refuses to get cable even though
Re:Perhaps inept wasn't the right word (Score:2)
Re:Perhaps inept wasn't the right word (Score:2)
Re:Perhaps inept wasn't the right word (Score:2)
Re:Perhaps inept wasn't the right word (Score:2)
Re:Perhaps inept wasn't the right word (Score:2)
Don't say BSG or SG:A. Checked them out, didn't like them. Same goes for Lost. All "reality" TV is an instant zero, as are prime-time soap operas.
Enlighten me.
Re:Perhaps inept wasn't the right word (Score:2)
There are many others that people are telling me are "Quality" programs, that I am not familar with as I havn't watched them, or they are not my families demographics. My Name is Earl, Lost, Surface...
Then their are all of the one-off programs produced on the Big Head channels, like History,
Re:Perhaps inept wasn't the right word (Score:2)
I used to be a fan of SG1, and was kind of irked when the main cast started playing "Who can be on camera the least."
"Scrubs" is mildly amusing, but not worth actually making the effort to watch. Nothing grabs the attention anymore the way Firefly did, or makes me laugh incessantly like Tripping the Rift did.
Re:Perhaps inept wasn't the right word (Score:2)
Tripping the Rift is still on the air. The new season started a few weeks ago. While I do watch it, it is not what I would call "quality" TV. I do think that the old SG1 cast was getting tired of the show, and it was coming through. I also think that once the Farscape cast gets settled in, they will be as good as the ori
Re:Perhaps inept wasn't the right word (Score:2)
Actually, there isn't. Both are entirely subjective.
That includes childrens shows.
While I have no problem in concept with educational TV (anyone else fondly remember Square One TV?), current offerings don't hold a candle to shows like Mr. Wizard's World, instead following the lead of the U.S. educational system in viewing children as babbling morons. And yes, I have been forced to endure them on occasion, thanks to the result of my sister's indiscret
Re:Actually you have it completely backwards (Score:2)
But then we better stop acting so surprised when people who take advantage of such improvements to live, then have trouble surviving in cases of disaster or emergency when these items generally fail.
I'm glad your mother and grandfather find this a generally less painful and safer way to handle doors. However, you need to understand that if a storm comes, and knocks out the power and they can't get out to flag down help, or to exit the
Why RFID? (Score:2)
Re:Technology for technologies sake (Score:2)
Except that you're now subject to the vulnerabilities of BOTH systems.
Re:Technology for technologies sake (Score:3, Insightful)
I guess you have never seen someone pick a lock then.
I would hate to be locked out of my house because of a power cut (battery charge doesn't last forever), or ignored because I'm drenched (and can't be recognised).
Or a wiring malfunction. I would say reliability is a concern here. RFID snooping though is also a problem. I.e. what if I hold up a life-size picture of your head in front of the camera and use the RFID key
Re:Technology for technologies sake (Score:2)
Re:Technology for technologies sake (Score:2)
At least in the US. And that is a valid point. Also, think of sliding glass doors....
However.... We put up with these because our country is relatively secure. I would suggest that anyone who doubts this go travel to a country like Brazil, Ecuador, or Indonesia to see what *real* home security looks like for the middle c
Re:Technology for technologies sake (Score:2)
Point is, things like locks will hang around for a long time, especially if the alternative is too expensive for some people.
Re:Technology for technologies sake (Score:2)
Therefore, if the power fails, you can still get access through the traditional method (keys). I may be misremembering, but I seem
Re:Technology for technologies sake (Score:2)
Level of difficulty in making a copy (Score:2)
It seems to me that it's a matter of security that the metal key is difficult to copy and must be physically present for the amount of time it takes to make the dupe. That's a good feature as far as I'm concerned and losing that by going over to a
Re:Technology for technologies sake (Score:2)
I'd hate to be locked in my burning house because the door had suffered a malfunction (perhaps due to the fire).
That said, I'm all for high tech gizmos, so as long as they can iron out the obvious potential problems, I say go for it.
Re:Technology for technologies sake (Score:2)
Sure, mechanical locks are secure [crypto.com].
I would hate to be locked out of my house because of a power cut
Something I would hate more is if a power cut made me lose my work on the computer. I would love to invent a power supply that couldn't be interrupted. I'd call it an Uninterruptable Power Supply, or UPS for short. Wonder if I could patent the idea?
battery charge doesn't last forever
rfid doesn't have batteries, it's powered by
Re:Technology for technologies sake (Score:2)
The speaker was ill-prepared. A simple google search [google.com] reveals lots of applications of such alloys, especially in
Re:Technology for technologies sake (Score:2)
The problem is, starting with the need and then looking for a solution is not necessarily the most efficient way to do things.
The entire point of research is exploring the domain of the unknown. If you know where to look for the solution then odds are somebody already found that solution. The reason we do research is that we don't know. Researching one field can lead to applications in a completely different field. Solutions cross boundaries. It's never entirely clear what the next big thing is going
Re:Technology for technologies sake (Score:2)
You never watched someone knock open a door with their shoulder. Or just break a window.
Locks are there to keep honest people honest. Making it electronic will have no effect whatsoever on whether dishonest people can break into your house.
Re:Technology for technologies sake (Score:2)
It's no different than computer security, you can talk about all sorts of high-tech hacking tools, but most criminals just buy a list of credit cards or go dumpster diving. Cracking some high-powered encryption is pointless when there are much simpler ways to steal information.
Lockpickin
Re:Technology for technologies sake (Score:2)
If the electronic key is dead, there's a tiny mechanical key built in to it to open the door. Then you put the entire key unit in to the dash, and it uses induction to gkive it enough p
question about design.. (not answered in article) (Score:5, Insightful)
When it comes to something so fundamental and critical to a building in terms of entering and leaving (access) one criterion comes to mind as necessary. I don't see any mention in the article, I've got to assume this is considered. Does anyone know if there is code to this requirement?
My question is this: what is the behavior of a door with that kind of technology in total failure mode? What happens in a fire or some catastrophic event where the door
Is it designed to quiesce to a state whereby it behaves as an unlocked and openable door? I get nervous sometimes when I see technology used this way. (I'm pretty comfortable with the old pin/tumbler systems, and am perfectly aware they're not foolproof, nor the most convenient...)
It can only go one direction: (Score:2)
"...in the unlikely event of power loss or a RoboDoor(tm) failure, you have also been supplied with a RoboKey(tm), which is based on a time-tested RoboCylinder(tm) technology. It is suggested that you hide the RoboKey in a secure yet accessible location, such as a magnetic case under the bumper of your car or a plastic rock in your garden."
That's pretty simple, really... (Score:3, Insightful)
There's no need for a failure mode or anything else. The internal knob would have a bog-standard mechanism that opens the door despite the lock. The external knob would be affected by the lock. An electronic lock still has a mechanical lock at its heart. It can unlock that mechanism by activating a solenoid, but there's no reason not to have all the usual levers in place.
Re:That's pretty simple, really... (Score:2)
Re:question about design.. (not answered in articl (Score:2)
Re:question about design.. (not answered in articl (Score:2)
You know, my initial reaction to this idea of a RFID door is "that's pretty cool, and would make a couple of my jobs a lot easier." I've been working at some form of a locked psychiatric facility, on and off again for a couple of years now, and locks and keys are a BIG DEAL. If security gets comprimised, it can cost tens of thousands of dollars to replace all the locks in an institution. An RFID signal w
Keys are keys (Score:3, Insightful)
Only significant differences I can see is that the RFID chip will eventually run out of juice and die (my ID card has been going strong for over two years so far tho), and it's alot easier to "change the locks" if you lose your RFID key.
Re:Keys are keys (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Keys are keys (Score:4, Informative)
MTTF on the circuit is probably in the dozens (if not the hundreds) of years
Have you ever tried to get in a dorm if/when the power happens to go out?
[I was locked once locked out of my dorm for a few hours in freezing weather when the power went out halfway through my freshman year]
Unpowered RFID=extremely insecure (Score:2)
Re:Keys are keys (Score:2)
Re:Keys are keys (Score:3, Insightful)
People: We've been using battery powered locks on hotel rooms for MANY MANY years now. Ditto for RFID locks (prox cards) on commercial buildings. I
Vehicle retrofit (Score:2)
A bit too late (Score:3, Funny)
Maybe they're compensating for the lack of DRM in the MP3 [fraunhofer.de] format!
Interesting (Score:2, Interesting)
These are the things that, one by one, will make our world look like "Deus Ex" crossed with "The 5th element", "The Matrix" and what have y
That's nice, but... (Score:5, Funny)
And your point is? (Score:2, Insightful)
The problem is, of course, what happens when you lose your ID card...
but (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Blue cross, blue shield. (Score:3, Insightful)
Things that make you go "what were they thinking?" (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Things that make you go "what were they thinkin (Score:3, Informative)
If they can not make the rfid devices as good as the really old Ibutton door handles then they need to quit now.
Re:Things that make you go "what were they thinkin (Score:2)
Re:Things that make you go "what were they thinkin (Score:2)
Also, in commercial buildings, it's quite common to have multiple entrances. Usually they will put electronic locks and magclamps on the 'public' entrances, and leave yale locks on the others, so that security guards are able to get in and overrid
Doesn't seem to be mentioned in the article (Score:2, Interesting)
However I can see that once the info is in the database there could be an ability to set which of the people are allowed in, blocking priviledges to certain people at one time, and granting another. This would make the system idea
ThinkGeek has one for sale.. (Score:2, Informative)
Re:ThinkGeek has one for sale.. (Score:2)
I propose a new tool! "LINAIDH" (Score:2)
"LINAIDH Is Not An Intelligent Door Handle"
Did these guys see 2001? (Score:2, Funny)
And we had been worried about some top down centralized approach to AI where some military computer took over the world. The truth will turn out more bottom up and this simple step will be how the revolution will start. Before long the knobs will be silently communicating and making plans. When the end comes, we will find ourselves locked out of our homes and business and sent off to
Cool, but... (Score:2, Insightful)
GPP? (Score:3, Funny)
after opening does it say: "Thank you for making a simple door very happy?"
hmm (Score:2, Interesting)
Besides, what kind of future door doesn't sigh.
Just a general response to people.... (Score:5, Interesting)
Ok, some people have expressed some very basic concerns in regards to emergency situations. I would like to point a few simple things out.
1) House locks keep people OUT not IN, which is the goal here as well. I'm sure there would be simple mechanical method of opening the door in case of emergency, like turning the same deadbolt style lock that exists now. Difference is, this has the option of being opened from the outside using some tech and a motor.
2) LOCKS KEEP EMERGENCY PERSONNEL OUT NOW. This is why we carry such things as a rabbit tool, spreaders, and the traditional set of irons (axe + halligan). We break the damn lock. No problem.
Ok, so I came up with two simple points. But they are good ones nonetheless :)
Re:Just a general response to people.... (Score:2)
If your door has a double-throw deadbolt - and a LOT of house doors do (ours does) - the lock does not differentiate in the manner you describe. These deadbolts require a key to allow exit, not
Re:Just a general response to people.... (Score:2)
Hurrah for the Ghost/Leech attack! (Score:2, Informative)
http://eprint.iacr.org/2005/052 [iacr.org]
IN SOVIET RUSSIA (Score:2, Funny)
Simple logic. (Score:2, Insightful)
Do none of you people have automatic gates on your houses? My gate has a motor to open it. I push a button and WOW it opens, it has so happened that the power and backup power was out due to lightning strike once. I opened the little gate in the big gate, stepped inside, unlocked the motor housing, then pulled the gate open. This has only ever happened once, so given that I use it everyday, getting wet
Re:Simple logic. (Score:2)
Towel? (Score:2)
here's to the future.... (Score:2, Insightful)
Self-powered electronic doorknobs (Score:2)
What? (Score:2)
Yay for intelligent door handles (Score:2)
failure mode (Score:2)
There are two types of door locks where I work.
1) Magnetic. The power failure mode of these is that they unlock when the power goes out.
2) Mechanical. Here, a spring holds the latch bolt in, and when you wave your card, the latch opens. The failure mode is locked.
In both cases of these you can still exit from the inside. In the first case, y
Re:failure mode (Score:2)
I was working on the firmware for one of these systems [cardax.com] in 1993. We called them "prox cards" (or "prox tokens" if they were not card shaped) back then. I don't know if people see the acronym RFID and assume its new technology because RFID has been hyped in recent years, or they really didn't know that this technology has existed for probably over 15 years now.
There are two types of door locks where I work.
1) Magnetic. The power failure
What's new about this? (Score:2)
Just what is new about any of this?
Dumb as a .... (Score:2)
Now I can go up to all those people who called me that and say, well, something. I dunno.... Ooh! Shiny!
Philip K Dick (Score:3, Informative)
Intelligent criminals everywhere are loving this (Score:2)
According to Wikipedia, a passive RFID tag (since TFA refers to them as merely "chips", I'm going to assume that they are passive and thus unencrypted) can be read at a distance of up to 18 feet. This is presumably with conventional readers. Even this distance poses a significant threat (one
Re:Intelligent criminals everywhere are loving thi (Score:2)
Obligatory Quote (Score:2)
-Doug Adams
Re:Yes, but... (Score:2)
Re:IQ (Score:2)
Re:My car already does this, I hate keys now (Score:3, Informative)
When you get out, close the door and push the little button on the door handle to lock the whole car.
To go, when you push the Start button to start the car, it checks to see if the key is in the interior o
Re:RFID pet door? (Score:2)