New IBM Ultra Fast Printer 277
avxo writes "CNN/Money is reporting on a new IBM printer, that can print Tolstoy's "War and Peace" in less than a minute, by delegating pagination to a separate unit." Fully loaded it runs a million bucks. Plus the 330 pages it can print in a single minute is probably triple the pages I printed so far in 2005. I'm probably not the target audience *grin*
Sure it can print out 330 pages a minute (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Sure it can print out 330 pages a minute (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Sure it can print out 330 pages a minute (Score:3, Interesting)
I recall watching a similarly fast printer (printing phone bills in a Milan telephone exchange as it happens) and keeping it supplied with paper was a full time job for two people. The paper was effectively ordinary fanfold in the usual size of boxes. One person was continually glueing a new box onto the input end whilst another removed box-sized chunks from the other end. The machine was too fast for the paper to re-stack under gravity, so flappy paddle things p
Re:Sure it can print out 330 pages a minute (Score:5, Funny)
head spinning (Score:4, Funny)
War and Peace was only 330 pages?
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but from the article... "Print at up to 330 linear feet (100.6 m) per minute (1,440 2-up duplex letter impressions or 1,354 2-up A4 duplex impressions)"
so it actually prints at 330 feet per minute... which works out at about 1440 pages per minute. which is a bit better.
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Ouch... (Score:4, Funny)
Double plus ungood.
Re:head spinning (Score:2, Insightful)
330 feet / minute * 12 inches / foot = 3960 inches / minute
3960 inches / minute / 11 inches / page = 360 pages / minute.
Re:head spinning (Score:2)
War and Peace was only 330 pages?
More like, "isn't it cheaper to just buy the book?".
Of course, that said, there are niches that this printer fills that some other posters elaborate on. I don't think IBM would develop this printer without having some idea what the market for it is, personally, I recently spent $80 for a used duplexing laser printer and couldn't be happier, even if it is HP.
Now, if this IBM unit could trim & arrange pages, bind paperback books, then I think this would be extraordinarily
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pulp friction (Score:3, Funny)
Called the Termite 2000, it can conveniently be backed-up against any nearby forest...
Re:Whats the ink cost? (Score:2)
Re:Whats the ink cost? (Score:5, Interesting)
As I posted earlier, its a 1440 ppm printer:
Print at up to 330 linear feet (100.6 m) per minute (1,440 2-up duplex letter impressions or 1,354 2-up A4 duplex impressions). - IBM [ibm.com]
That works out to be about 4.364 pages per foot. With that in mind, the cheapest box of toner costs $437.48, according to the supplies page [ibm.com]. That carton contains 4 cassettes, each of which is capable of 100,000 feet.
4 x 100,000 x 4.364 = 1,745,600 pages @ $437.48 in toner, or $0.00025 per page.
Of course, that fails to include other consumables, all of which I imagine are important, but I'm replying to a joke poster so I'm sure you all get my point and simply don't care.
~ Mike
So much for the paperless office (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:So much for the paperless office (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:So much for the paperless office (Score:5, Funny)
Re:So much for the paperless office (Score:2)
The purpose of this device isn't printing out office memos but for business publishing needs.
Re:So much for the paperless office (Score:3, Informative)
- very fine print
- colour possible
- reads easily, even in low light / from an angle
- bends pretty easily
- rather light
- pretty cheap
- works with a variety of pens etc.
- available in any size
And also a few less favourable:
- environmental problems
- difficult to convert to digital (OCR is not that good, and scanning every page is time-consuming)
- difficult to sort/search
- it's only light in small quantities
- difficult to destroy (completely)
- not so good with water
- slow to trans
Paperless office (Score:2)
And great news for rainforests, too.
Re:Paperless office (Score:5, Informative)
They don't use rainforrests for making paper. The biggest problem the rainforrests face is burning to make farms and grazing land.
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If only the commonly used paper making process was as environmentally friendly...
Re:Paperless office (Score:4, Interesting)
Paper Made from Timber
Think bundling your newspapers is "messy"? Not when compared with the process of making paper from virgin timber. While modern paper recycling mills can be designed to operate without producing any hazardous air or water pollution and virtually no hazardous wastes,[16] the virgin pulp and paper industry is one of the world's largest generators of toxic air pollutants, surface water pollution, sludge, and solid wastes. A recent assessment of the virgin timber-based papermaking industry concluded that reducing hazardous discharges at paper mills worldwide to safe levels would cost $27 billion.[17] Indeed, the timber industry has in all likelihood wiped out more habitat and more species per unit of production than has any other industry. Most Americans associate virgin paper mills with both the destruction of resident-species habitat and the contamination of streams and rivers with chlorinated dioxins and other pollutants. But the fact is these mills are also major sources of a wide variety of hazardous air and water pollutants, odors, solid waste, contaminated sludge, and water discoloring agents. Besides their well known, often unbearable emissions of sulfur compounds (causing an odor resembling rotten eggs), pulp and paper mills are classified under U.S. federal law as generators of "significant quantities of Hazardous Air Pollutants (HAPs) chlorinated and non-chlorinated. Some of these pollutants are considered to be carcinogenic, and all can cause toxic health effects following exposure. Most of the organic HAPs emitted from this industry also are classified as volatile organic compounds which participate in photochemical reactions in the atmosphere to produce ozone, a contributor to photochemical smog."[18]
Moreover, the virgin "pulp and paper industry is the largest industrial process water user in the United States. Approximately 1,551 billion gallons of wastewater are generated annually by pulp, paper, and paperboard manufacturers."[19] Water pollutants contained in these billions of gallons discharged into streams, rivers, and lakes by virgin paper manufacturers include a wide range of hazardous and conventional pollutants as well as volatile organic compounds, including chlorinated dioxins and furans, chloroform, absorbable organic halides [AOX], methylene chloride, trichlorophenols, and pentachlorophenols.[20]
Processing rigid stands of timber into flexible, printable, smooth, glossy (or absorbent) paper requires an intensive chemical and mechanical effort after a tree is harvested. Once roads have been cut into the forest to get to the timber, it is transported to the mill, stockpiled, debarked, chipped, "cooked" in vats of chemicals, and turned into pulp and bleached mechanically and chemically. Then the pulp must be turned into paper or dried and shipped off to another mill. While paper can be recycled even at very large mills using fewer than a dozen nonhazardous chemicals and bleaching solutions that contain, for example, 99.5 percent water and 0.5 percent hydrogen peroxide (a concentration more diluted than the peroxide in your medicine cabinet),[21] most virgin pulp and paper is made using literally hundreds of highly corrosive and hazardous chemicals, including chlorine. As the EPA has documented, this presents enormous problems in reducing pollution from virgin paper mills because "elimination of dioxin, furan, chlorinated phenolics, and other chlorinated organics [can]...not be achieved unless all forms of chlorine-based bleaching are eliminated."[22] This is not expected to happen in the United States for quite some time. In addition, not all of the toxic pollutants discharged in the wastewater produced by virgin pulp and paper mills are currently regulated by the Environmental Protection Agency, including certain congeners of dioxin and furans and a range of chlorinated phenols.
Here is the source article [nrdc.org].
oh goody (Score:3, Insightful)
Cooper said IBM sees growth opportunities in large-capacity printing as marketers increasingly use direct mail to target customers. "Mail remains a very good way to market your business," he said, because consumers are overwhelmed by unsolicited e-mails, or spam, and don't like getting called by telemarketers.
Tis a shame that IBM is going to be marketing this printer for evil. I get enough junk mail, and the forests of our planet dont need anothe reason to be cut down.
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You're right of course. Maybe if they could find some other way to send out this marketing material. Some means of sending it electronically perhaps...
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I didn't RTFA, but this seems almost as silly as Goodyear anncouncing they've developed a new "fossil fuel internal combustion powerwed 4-wheeled personnel carrier" for $90,000 when there's already been cars on the market for years at ~$15,000.
Nothing to see here. I'm serious.
Re:oh goody (Score:4, Funny)
Die. I didn't RTFA, but
Die, die, DIE!
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Hey, I actually get about 4 of our "product" every week myself. I throw them all away immediately, unless there's damage to it (like the flap didn't stay closed) -- then I take them into our QC dept. I hate junk mail just as much as the next guy. I can't even get my name off the lists. I'd say at the very least, 10% of your mainstream magazine subscription solicitations, credit card applications, and additional financial services (like unemployment protection or credit rating protection w/e) come fro
Re:oh goody (Score:2)
At least junkmailers have a real cost per junkmail sent to me that they have to pay upfront.
Re:oh goody (Score:2)
http://www.treefarmsystem.org/cms/pages/20_5.html [treefarmsystem.org]
Sorry for the less than official link, but I was in a hurry:
http://www.lockjawslair.com/archives/2005/06/paper _recycling.html [lockjawslair.com]
Re:oh goody (Score:2)
I have a recycling bag next to my front door. All junk mail goes straight into it. It takes 2-4 weeks to completely fill. None of this material is ever read, and yet someone is persistently using resources to create and distribute it.
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FYI (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:FYI (Score:5, Informative)
IBM last year was the market leader with a 49.6 percent share, followed by Oce (Research), based in the Netherlands., with 43.8 percent, according to InfoTrends.
Re:FYI (Score:2)
A previous model, the IBM Infoprint 4000 [ibm.com] has been used by a POD company, Lightning Source [lightningsource.com] to print their books for a few years now. Still costs more than offset for a big run, and the quality is 600 dpi, fine for text but less so for halftones, but for short runs of plain text books it's great.
Mainframe Laser (Score:2)
Impressive device.. huge.. loud...tempermental..
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War and Peace (Score:2, Informative)
On this 330 p/m printer will take about 5 minutes to print.
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Re:War and Peace (Score:5, Informative)
Re:War and Peace (Score:2)
Ah, these numbers are indeed far more reasonable. IBM sold printers in the 270 pages/minute range back in 1995 or so.
Re:War and Peace (Score:2)
Re:War and Peace (Score:2)
1) number of pages depends on both the size of the pages and the font. You can print about 4 times as many words on the same page in 6 point type than 12, for instance.
2) regardless, the summary was misleading as usual. According to the specs of the 4100 [ibm.com] it can print "at up to 330 linear feet (100.6 m) per minute (440 2-up duplex letter impressions)... Deliver true 3-up pages with an extra
Maybe it's just me, but... (Score:3, Insightful)
You get your output just as fast, initial cost is lower, maintenance cost is likely to be lower, and if you get a failure on one unit, you're only down 10% of your printing capacity, instead of 100% of your printing capacity.
Re:Maybe it's just me, but... (Score:3, Insightful)
(Ok, so I'm being a smart ass, but seriously, how would you combine the output from 10 printers efficiently?)
This is also interesting to me because it's not uncommon for me to print 500 pages in a single day, and I share a printer with ~35 similar people. There's nothing worse than waiting 25 minutes for someone else's 500 pages to print.
Re:Maybe it's just me, but... (Score:2)
Re:Maybe it's just me, but... (Score:4, Insightful)
Think of a bank producing bank statements, as long as all the pages for one customer come out the same machine, it doesn't matter that the statement for another customer is sitting on the out tray at the other side of the room.
Re:Maybe it's just me, but... (Score:4, Interesting)
print the 2nd 50 on printer #2
etc-- when done, put output from printer#1 on top of output from printer #2
Printer's not 330 ppm, its 330 FEET PER MINUTE... (Score:5, Informative)
Quoting IBM: Print at up to 330 linear feet (100.6 m) per minute (1,440 2-up duplex letter impressions or 1,354 2-up A4 duplex impressions).
I had a discussion with a friend that works in that division on Friday when this machine was announced. Apparently, 330 pages per minute was done about 30 years ago according to him (I have no idea what model, when it was, or anything else). Whoever wrote the initial story assumed whoever wrote the press release goofed and wrote feet when they obviously meant pages.
This model of printer is designed to print on a roll of paper which is approximately 19.5" wide. The roll is then cut and collated by other machines.
~ Mike
5760 or more (Score:2)
Uh, 1440 two-up duplex letter-size pages per minute. That's 5760 letter-size page impressions per minute! And keep in mind that a lot of print-on-demand books (the target market, presumably) are smaller than letter-size, and few are larger.
This is a scary fast printer.
Re:Maybe it's just me, but... (Score:2)
Obviously War & Peace is WAY more than 330 pages (unless the pages are very big, or the print is teeny-tiny small...
Re:Maybe it's just me, but... (Score:2)
Re:Maybe it's just me, but... (Score:2)
Printers these fast are very dangerous. (Score:5, Interesting)
For instance, we had a new coder working on one of our projects. We had an array of fast laserjet printers, but even then they were nowhere near this fast. In any case, our new coder somehow managed to dump our entire codebase out to the printers. So out go 15 million lines of COBOL and C to our array of printers.
The coder doesn't realize what is happening at first. We estimated that about 200000 sheets of paper were printed before he got a call from the printing room asking him if there was a problem. After realizing that there was, and being unable to cancel the print job, he was at a loss. They couldn't just pull the plug on the printer array, as it'd take a day just to get the system back online. Eventually somebody was able to stop it, but it wasn't until after nearly 600000 sheets of paper had been wasted.
Indeed, printers these fast can be extremely useful, but when massive amounts of data are accidentally printed on them, the paper (and thus financial) losses can be extreme.
Re:Printers these fast are very dangerous. (Score:5, Insightful)
They probably do now...
-Adam
Indeed, it was a costly mistake. (Score:2)
Re:Printers these fast are very dangerous. (Score:2)
Slower laser printers and their consumables are pretty cheap nowadays.
After all, not everyone needs 500bhp cars or can even handle them.
Re:Printers these fast are very dangerous. (Score:2)
Re:Printers these fast are very dangerous. (Score:4, Interesting)
15 million lines of code / 600,000 sheets = 25 lines per page? And you're saying the job wasn't even complete at 600,000 pages, so supposedly there were even fewer lines per page?
Either your font size was ridiculous or you need to check your math.
Re:Printers these fast are very dangerous. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Printers these fast are very dangerous. (Score:2)
One problem with the JCL meant it printed at one line per page! Oh, were the operators pissed when all (6 or 8) of those big chain printers ran out of paper and opened up at the same time.
Re:Printers these fast are very dangerous. (Score:2)
I printed out ~1000 pages over half an hour or so...
On a more practical note, who set up the print room so that anyone can print on them?
Famous quote! (Score:5, Funny)
Back before my day (Score:5, Funny)
Some naval geeks realized you could get it to play tunes by adjusting what it print to hit various notes and slewing various amounts of paper for tempo. Intelligence people tend to be musically inclined and these geeks were no exception. Lord knows how many hours they invested in tuning their instrument but word came down that an admiral was going to tour the computer room. When he walked in, they started up their synth and the printer started belting out Anchors Away. The admiral was suitably impressed. My brother-in-law was relieved the admiral didn't inspect the back of the printer where the output stack was because the paper didn't fold properly and as a result, paper was strewn all over.
Re:Back before my day (Score:4, Interesting)
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VT used to have an IBM printer way faster... (Score:2, Informative)
A Printer for Google Boys (Score:3, Funny)
There is a report at Silicon Beat (http://www.siliconbeat.com/entries/2005/09/09/my
Not 330 pages per minute (Score:2, Interesting)
"Print at up to 330 linear feet (100.6 m) per minute (1,440 2-up duplex letter impressions or 1,354 2-up A4 duplex impressions)"
So doesn't that work out at 2,880 pages per minute?
Re:Not 330 pages per minute (Score:2)
So much for the paperless office! (Score:2)
how much time (Score:2, Funny)
the summary doesn't say...
What are the economics of this? (Score:2)
You can get 22 ppm for about $600, at least that's what I saw on the first link from Froogle [google.com]. So, if you want to print 1400 ppm you need roughly 64 of those. For $38,400 + the cost of some network hardware and software to manage it, and a little time you can get comparable page rates at laser quality. Let's say the added parts and labor of setting it up brings the total to $100,000. That's still a lot less than a million.
Really though, if I needed to print that much, I'd send stuff off to someone with
Re:What are the economics of this? (Score:2)
So. What's the market for this thing?
Someone who's getting rid of their offset press because the setup cost and labour for a print run is too much?
Re:What are the economics of this? (Score:2)
The problem with the 64 laser printers is not managing them. It is managing the paper. You'll need a full time person just to load blanks and unload printed pages.
Really though, if I needed to print that much, I'd send stuff off to someone with an offset press and have them run the job.
If you needed that many identical copies, yes. I think this is for when you have
Re:What are the economics of this? (Score:2)
If the thing can actually output completed bills, then I see how it could be worth it. I didn't notice if there was an option to have a postage meter attached. That would really be slick. Or better yet, it could just dispatch thugs with sticks to beat people senseless who still insist on receiving paper bills.
Re:What are the economics of this? (Score:2)
It's called "vanity publishing", because it is typified by "vanity" books -- some old grandma writes up her family history and puts in photos of old ancestors and grandkids, and pays for 100 copies to be given out at the family reunion. At least that's the typical job. In reality, there is probably more work from printing out corporate reports, manuals to short runs of software, sci-fi authors who are too nut
Re:What are the economics of this? (Score:2)
Not for printing multiple copies of the same document; it can print a stream of differetn documents at this rate. A print-on-demand compnay uses these to print books, one or two of each title at a time. Otherwise, business documents, like invoices, tax statements, etc, etc. Currently they can easily replace short run document printing.
Re:What are the economics of this? (Score:2)
Reading the comments... (Score:5, Informative)
The 4100 seems to be part of the evolution for "big iron" laser printers starting with the 3800 [uky.edu]. These printers started out being centralized printers to reduce cost per page for large organizations AND for billing organizations.
After the 1980s, I don't think a lot were sold to IT ("IS" at the time) organizations because having a single printer and distributing its output to different locations throughout a building is slow, expensive and time consuming - all the things using them was supposed to eliminate.
Where the printers really made their niche was generating bills for various organizations. The advantage of a laser printer over traditional printers was that traditional printers used pre-printed forms which were more expensive and had to be precisely lined up for the billing information to show up in the appropriate locations. The advantage of a laser printer in this application is that it can print all the background information, logos, terms and conditions, etc. just as quickly as a traditional printer just put in the differing information but at a much lower cost.
The 3800 and subsequent printers were/are the industry standard for these applications - very little of their output actually comes into the office except in the form of invoices from other companies.
When IBM spun off its printer division (known as "LexMark"), they did not sell of the big iron printers. They make a ton of money for IBM and also drive other purchases for IBM hardware.
It's probably more difficult now to see these monsters in action, but if you get the chance you should take a look - they are amazing. The old 3800s could print an entire 10" high box of 8.5 by 11 fanfold paper in just a few minutes and while cutting the paper appropriately. The "high end" models mentioned probably have letter stuffing hardware so the final output is a nice neat stack of bills all ready for shipment to the post office.
myke
Re:Must be a parallel universe you live in (Score:2)
The main one used there was a Xerox printer, and it was also the preferred printer for printin
Target audience...bookstores? (Score:2)
When you find the book you want, they'd print and bind it on the spot - with a handful of these machines at every store, they could have you outta there in a couple of minutes...giving you time to visit the in-store coffee shop.
Books that are rarely purchased would still be available - they'd never 'go out of print' - altho
Re:Target audience...bookstores? (Score:2)
Nowadays with all that tech, preprinting books seems kind of stupid and wasteful. You should be able to get any book - almost everything is in stock - I'm sure you can fit a pretty sizeable colletion of books (covers photos etc ) within a few modern hard drives.
IBM advanced printing technology for 30 years (Score:2)
Typical Printer Business Model (Score:4, Funny)
Oh yeah IBM... I'm gonna buy your $500,000 printer and then go to a 3rd party toner provider!
That'll show you!
Re:Typical Printer Business Model (Score:2)
Perfect for the home hacker (Score:2)
lol omg (Score:2, Insightful)
ouch (Score:2)
Re:But.... (Score:5, Informative)
http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/ [justfuckinggoogleit.com]
Re:Heres a good metric (Score:2)
Re:Heres a good metric (Score:2)