New Display Interface Standard in the Works 248
virgil_disgr4ce writes "The VESA standards group is designing a new display interface standard to replace both VGA and DVI. The new standard promises better bandwidth and interoperability for a ' broad application within computer monitors, TV displays, projectors, PCs and other sources of image content.'"
Wait for it... (Score:5, Insightful)
I'll place money on the emergence of one or more patent claims on this, if it becomes a new standard.
Re:Wait for it... (Score:3, Funny)
I'm gonna take an educated guess here:
Digital Restrictions Management (Score:4, Informative)
Hey, at least its optional.
Re:Digital Restrictions Management (Score:3, Insightful)
Optional unless you want to be compatible with Microsoft's new edition of Windows Media Player.
Re:Digital Restrictions Management (Score:5, Informative)
The people who have it preloaded on their Dell, Gateway, HP, Sony, Toshiba, etc...
That's more than just a small slice of the consumer market.
Re:Digital Restrictions Management (Score:2)
Re:Digital Restrictions Management (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Digital Restrictions Management (Score:5, Insightful)
"Optional" , but how long is it going to stay that way? I'm guessing this whole interface is setup so the monitor won't show media unless it is "authenticated". So if you pop in a Divx rip, and manage to hack windows vista bad enough that it will play media without connecting to a license server, the monitor will be the last measure available to the *AA. If the monitor drivers havent been cracked as well and cant connect to said license server, it will show only a black patch where the video is supposed to be. This interface is merely another way to take control of the machine out of the user's hands.
Ofcourse all the exteme DRM in vista is "optional" now, but it only takes one person to flip a switch at MS and the entire system is locked down like a maximum security prison.
/going to stick with SVGA
homemade movie vs ripped commercial movie (Score:3, Interesting)
The DRM probably has use in companies like for protecting documents, but I can not imagine how yet, and why that should happen at monitor level. Maybe a document can be sent around and you can open it but not display it? Pret
Re:homemade movie vs ripped commercial movie (Score:2)
Uh, yeah, right.
Re:homemade movie vs ripped commercial movie (Score:2)
Re:homemade movie vs ripped commercial movie (Score:4, Insightful)
I also have no doubt the MPAA will be very willing to show their benevolence by making the fee for this service quite small, so that families can afford to to have a copy on both their main media player as well as the children's laptops.
What were you worried about again?
Re:Digital Restrictions Management (Score:2)
I mean, how the Monitor will know that the content of a certain window is a movie being played?
Also, if it's optional probably your old, drm-less, video drivers will work just fine...
I don't think Apple will adopt this DRM extension, due their past decisions favoring user rights... And I don't think the Xorg folks would cripple their drivers either.
Microsoft better be carefull, or they'll see lots of people buying a MacMini, or building
Re:Digital Restrictions Management (Score:3, Interesting)
Of course in the DMR case it needs cooperation from the drivers. The point is that the cable between the computer and monitor carries only an encrypted signal so that illegally tampering (as it surely will be) with the signal at this point (say, by plugging the
Re:Digital Restrictions Management (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes, that's exactly the idea. Google for "Protected Media Path", drivers will be cryptograhically verified and revocable if needs be, using hardware TCPA. The authenticated driver must then authenticate the video card, and must authenticate the displays too.
See this recent Ed Felten [freedom-to-tinker.com] article and the linked to Microsoft white paper on Protected Media Path [microsoft.com].
Monitor will know that the content of a certain window is a movie being played?
Caus
Re:Digital Restrictions Management (Score:3, Interesting)
AES being broken any time soon is highly unlikely, it had a very long period of peer review before Rijndael was selected (from a strong field of candidates) as the official AES cipher - including, without a doubt, extensive review by the NSA.
There will be other places to attack PMP though, particularly authentication
Re:Digital Restrictions Management (Score:3, Interesting)
And this even happens to downloadable movies (like archive.org) as well.
Re:Digital Restrictions Management (Score:3, Insightful)
Optional (Score:3, Insightful)
Such as streaming media, DVD, excel...
Re:Optional (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Digital Restrictions Management (Score:4, Informative)
Aero Glass experience in Longhorn will be available only if the related hardware capabilities are present on the PC system supported by a signed driver based on the Longhorn Display Driver Model. [microsoft.com]
If you are not using a Microsoft approved and signed driver to fully lock down and enforce the DRM system then Longhorn/Vista LOCKS YOU OUT OF THE FULL GRAPHICS INTERFACE MODE. You get dumped back to the minimal desktop interface mode and I'm pretty sure the entire "security system" gets locked out as well. In other words you get dumpted back to the minimal desktop interface mode AND any software using the Wonderful new security system gets locked out. Half the software on your computer may drop dead.
But don't worry, it's all optional and all opt-in. Of course if you do not opt-in then don't expect anything to actually work anymore. Oh, and it's not Microsoft's fault. It's the software authors and the media file publishes and the websites that choose to use Microsoft's new Security System and it is THEY who decide that the software and media files and websites will refuse to work unless you opt-in to full lockdown mode.
Oh, and then there's Microsoft's Microsoft's Network Access Protection Architectures, specifically compatible with the Trusted Computing Group's Trusted Network Connect. [trustedcom...ggroup.org] Sure it will be a couple of years before this might become a signifigant issue, but if and when it is deployed... well it wouldn't be Microsoft doing anything to you... it would be your ISP choosing to use Microsoft's NAP system and your ISP choosing to refuse you an internet connection unless you are running a properly locked down system with an approved operating system and with all of the latest patches and with an approved and mandatory Firewall and with and approved and mandatory VirusScanner. You see your ISP just wants to protect you against viruses and worms and to protect their network.
In fact the term they use for this sort of policy is that they are checking the "health" of your computer before allowing you network access. They need the security system tyo be active to do the "health check", and of course only a fully locked down computer is "healthy".
But it's OK. The DRM system... correction the security system... it's all optional and opt-in. And if you don't opt-in and all of your software refuses to run and you are locked out all of the new filetypes and your ISP refuses to give you a network connection, well that's OK. That was your choice. Opting-in is purely optional. Microsoft isn't trying to force anything on to anyone.
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better interoperability through DRM? (Score:5, Insightful)
And the money line: (Score:5, Funny)
Just what I always wanted.
Re:And the money line: (Score:3, Insightful)
New standard (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:New standard (Score:5, Informative)
So, VESA is apparently dodging DRM yet the standard inherently allows DRM to be used. (Which is not surprising or unexpected)
DVI gone already? DRM makes it mark (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not too surprising, though. DRM has to extend to display hardware for it to be any use.
Right now I'm a Windows users and I have been for many years. I've stayed with W2K because I didn't much like the direction XP took. I'm pretty sure that there is going to come a point in the future where I move to Linux, because the control the Windows OS would have over my PC is unacceptable.
Unfortunately, the majority of PC users have no idea that this issue even exists.
--
Toby
Re:DVI gone already? DRM makes it mark (Score:4, Informative)
I have no idea how they would implement this, but I do recall hearing it.
Re:DVI gone already? DRM makes it mark (Score:2, Informative)
Processor ID (Score:2)
It's all just a matter of identifying you uniquely for DRM to work.
-M
That's the truth (Score:4, Insightful)
And it'll be a big surprise to the masses when it gets here. I can almost hear the calls now. "Hey, why won't this movie play? It ran alright on my old computer." Welcome to Windows World, buckwheat. They'll be offended, huffy for a little while, have a passive-aggressive little snit by complaining to people who can't do anything about it. But after a while they'll go on their grumbly way because they haven't been investing in any alternative, learning a different OS or trying out open source alternatives.
I see the same things in my business customers all the time. Except I get to remind them that I told them it was coming a year ago and they go, "Oh, right. But I thought they were going to extend support for that another year?" No, sorry. The next question is usually, "Well, how much is it going to cost?" Then I get to listen to their passive-aggressive snit aimed at me, like I have some command over what MSFT does.
If you want off the MSFT treadmill you have to plan it, start experimenting with alternatives and roll out the change in a controlled environment. Getting huffy when you plug your new PC in and something doesn't work anymore just annoys those of us in the business.
Ah, the old "DRM is a *feature*" argument (Score:5, Interesting)
Because as we know, every consumer loves paying for new technology, the main purpose of which is to remove features they already have! Though saying that, 99% of media purchasers will no doubt think that giving away rights is a fair compromise for not having to use an audio *and* video cable.
Re:Ah, the old "DRM is a *feature*" argument (Score:2)
"99% of media purchasers will no doubt think that giving away rights is a fair compromise for not having to use an audio *and* video cable."
But it "refreshes images instead of reloading them, which makes for better performance"!!
We've already lost...
Driving is a privilege too (Score:2)
People would never drive a car that would arbitrarily not drive down a certain road because you didn't 'buy-in'.
Poor analogy. Like viewing new works, driving a motor vehicle is a privilege, not a right.
Who is it for? (Score:5, Interesting)
It requires fewer wires and stuff.
It's cheaper to make.
It (optionally) supports DRM.
Sounds awesome for the manufacturers and content providers. But what do I, as a consumer, get that I don't get from DVI or HDMI?
Other than a bill for a new monitor next time I upgrade my graphics card..
Re:Who is it for? (Score:3, Interesting)
I really don't see the point of this 'new' interface.
Re:Who is it for? (Score:2, Interesting)
DVI supports DRM too - it's HDCP, and it's the same protocol on either a DVI or a HDMI wire.
Was this story actually printed 2 years ago and they were talking about HDMI versus DVI, because I see nothing that differentiates it from HDMI (which is audio and video on a single cable, HDCP, and so on).
Re:Who is it for? (Score:2)
HDMI does add audio lines, though its full potential isn't tapped. It also adds full-system A/V box control, so devices can work together if you so choose, like your third party DVR can change the channel of the satellite box to record a show, or any re
Re:Who is it for? (Score:2)
From the artikel (Score:3, Informative)
VESA to Finalize, Administer DisplayPort, Provide a Forum for Extensions
MILPITAS, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Aug. 16, 2005--The newly-developed DisplayPort(TM) interface proposal, which has been designed to simplify display interfaces in computer and consumer electronics systems, has been turned over to the Video Electronics Standards Association (VESA) for finalization and approval as a standard.
In May, VESA announced the DisplayPort development program by a group of industry-leading companies dedicated to creating a new digital display interface specification for broad application within computer monitors, TV displays, projectors, PCs and other sources of image content.
"The plan in May was to submit a comprehensive version of the interface proposal to VESA during the third quarter for ratification and adoption," said Ian Miller, chairman of VESA. "The group has met its internal timetable and delivered to us a very comprehensive specification, which VESA will now administer and provide a forum for future revisions."
DisplayPort allows high quality audio to be available to the display device over the same cable as the video signal. It delivers true plug-and-play with robust interoperability, and is cost-competitive with existing digital display interconnects. Designed to be available throughout the industry as an open, extensible standard, DisplayPort is expected to accelerate adoption of protected digital outputs on PCs to support viewing high definition and other types of protected content through an optional content protection capability, while enabling higher levels of display performance.
DisplayPort enables a common interface approach across both internal connections, such as interfaces within a PC or monitor, and external display connections, including interfaces between a PC and monitor or projector, between a PC and TV or between a device such as DVD player and TV display. The standard includes an optional digital audio capability so high definition digital audio and video can be streamed over the interface, and it provides performance scalability so the next generation of displays can feature higher color depths, refresh rates, and display resolutions. It also features a small, user-friendly connector optimized for use on thin profile notebooks in addition to allowing multiple connectors on a graphics card.
Layered, Modular Architecture Includes Main Link and Auxiliary Channel
DisplayPort incorporates a Main Link, a high-bandwidth, low-latency, unidirectional connection supporting isochronous stream transport. One stream video with associated audio is supported in Version.1.0, but DisplayPort is seamlessly extensible, enabling support of multiple video streams. Version 1.0 also includes an Auxiliary Channel to provide consistent-bandwidth, low-latency, bi-directional connectivity with Main Link management, and device control based on VESA's E-DDC, E-EDID, DDC/CI and MCCS standards. The Link configuration enables true "Plug-and-Play."
The Main Link bandwidth enables data transfer at up to 10.8 Gbits/second using a total of four lanes.
The promoter group based their development efforts on the premise that the PC industry requires a ubiquitous digital interface with optional content protection that can be deployed widely at minimum cost to enable broad access to premium content, according to Miller.
As higher performance display and source technologies are introduced, the demands on interface bandwidth expand and the problem will become even more acute soon with demands for more colors, higher resolutions, and higher refresh rates. The DisplayPort standard's high initial bandwidth is designed to scale to even higher bandwidths to accommodate future display requirements.
Second Verse, Same As The First (Score:5, Insightful)
Because there aren't any Linux media hackers in the world who'll do a rip app to fool media apps into thinking it's outputting to a DRM-protected one-of-these and instead it just gets dumped to a data file for P2P.
I mean, what are the odds? DeCSS was just a fluke.
Or, to be less snide... yes, clearly this is an attempt to create a DRM-enabled display standard, the idea being to prevent people from intercepting the unencoded, unprotected signal coming out of your video card. But, as always, the client is in the hands of the enemy. All the information needed to snap this like a twig is already present on the box.
The only way DRM will ever work is government-enforced computer controls and white-listing of 'approved' software, with unapproved software being locked out (yes, there are ways even around that, but at that point it's too much trouble for John Doe to set up the whitewashing needed to run an unapproved box that looks clean to Big Brother). And even that will just force uncontrolled boxes off the Internet (as we know it) onto grey or black wireless networks outside the reach of governments.
Re:Second Verse, Same As The First (Score:2)
Sorry. >_
Re:Second Verse, Same As The First (Score:2)
>_< gives >_<
Sorry. :)
OT: Re:Second Verse, Same As The First (Score:2)
-1 Failure To Use The Preview Function is the real mod down
Re:Not even a need for government intervention (Score:2)
Also, what about things like T1s?
There's more than just cable and DSL, ya know...
Re:Satellite, dial-up, and T1 aren't the answer (Score:3, Interesting)
Some background on the politics of this standard (Score:5, Informative)
When DVI first came out, it was in a camp that was separate from VESA, the independent standards body responsible for the video signalling standards for PCs. VESA had been looking for a digital alternative for years but the Digital Display Working Group [ddwg.org] promoted DVI through some of the bigger manufacturers of both computer displays and manufacturers of electronics of those displays. DVI was ok but it was plagued with problems like a poor quality connector, limited cable length and very poor standards compliance. This largely limited DVI's adoption in the market for a number of years. The copy protection standard, HDCP, was added in the usual fashion of trying to "protect" the content providers. As for the standards compliance, Silicon Image knew it had screwed up and so created a compliance test center. The irony here is that Silicon Image's own first generation receivers don't even work with some of its own transmitters!
Though most consumer electronics manufacturers were included in the DDWG, at least one was conspicuously absent during the formation of HDMI [hdmi.org], which is backwards compatible with DVI but has a smaller and more robust connector and more geared for consumer electronics rather than PC applications. That absent company was Samsung, and Ian Miller of Samsung was quite important in the VESA organization. VESA had continued during the time of HDMI's creation and ramp-up of making a new standard, the latest one being NAVI [vesa.org] that died on the vine. Having been excluded, and knowing Samsung's growing presence in many markets and the stranglehold of Silicon Image and Intel with respect to patents and copyright protection control with limp alternatives, I believe that the current companies within DisplayPort led by Ian Miller decided to take the initiative and move forward with an independent DisplayPort standard and independent copy protection mechanism. The new copy protection scheme, called DPCP, is administered by Philips rather than Intel.
The physical layer of DisplayPort is largely based on PCI Express in order to leverage the intellectual property already within these companies and avoid licensing and royalties associated with Silicon Image's TMDS and Intel's HDCP. One very interesting point for all
In short, don't expect a whole lot of advantages for the end user here. The politics of the display industry are significant and the average consumer will continue to suffer as these politics play out in the grander scheme of business.
Re:Some background on the politics of this standar (Score:2)
The sad thing about this one though is that a video chip maker (ATI) and a couple panel makers (Philips & Samsung) are involved, so I hope they don't try to push out the DVI and HDMI standards arbitrarily, otherwise, I'll just buy competing products.
Re:Some background on the politics of this standar (Score:3, Informative)
The individual pixels HAVE to be driven.
It would be possible to read off the panel controller, as there HAS to be somewhere that it's decrypted, and that's the last possible place.
The Purpose of the interface? (Score:3, Informative)
"The promoter group [vesa.org] based their development efforts on the premise that the PC industry requires a ubiquitous digital interface with optional content protection that can be deployed widely at minimum cost to enable broad access to premium content, according to Miller. "
Re:The Purpose of the interface? (Score:3, Funny)
Is this a politically correct way of saying "a cheap way of bringing porn to fat people"?
Re:The Purpose of the interface? (Score:2)
Unfortunately it won't solve the problem...
DRM everywhere...means more DRM decoders (Score:2)
While it may be the intent of the designers of this system to have a chain from drive to display that keeps encryption intact, there will be a need to decode earlier...and that is likely where it will break.
Look at how DVDs were decoded; an OEM's software was debugged and there were the keys! Once the general mechanism was k
Please, no more! (Score:5, Interesting)
This is getting ridiculous!
My TV is already a sloppy mess full of connections. I've spent hours in the store explaining to customers (and salesdrones) what these mean and what they need. Half of those connectors should never even have been invented in the first place because a better standard already existed (Ex: VGA). I hope consumers send a huge backlash over this, because displays are expensive, and converter boxes are hard to find and even more expensive.
Re:Please, no more! (Score:2)
ex: VGA? (Score:3, Informative)
Not DVI or HDMI. VGA cannot carry digital signals like they can.
Perhaps you mean Composite or component? All 3 component formats and composite all predate VGA & the HDI-15. Component video (YPbPr) was used on Sony's Betacam (not to be confused with Beta) in 1982. Component RGB was around at least as long. VGA (HDI-15) came out in 1987.
S-Video (Y/C) also predates VGA, although the 4-pin connector doesn't. Perhaps you used the Y/C connectors on your Amiga or C-64 to h
if it has DRM on it.... (Score:3, Interesting)
they are supposed to be a technical engineering standards group DRM has nothing to do with what they do and if it is any part of the new specification then it will be proof that they sold out big time and should not be held as a respectable standards group anymore.
DRM = proof of a group becoming sell-outs.
A rival to HDMI? (Score:2)
/.ers unite...we do have a voice! (Score:5, Interesting)
But there is another....
You can vote with your wallet. don't buy this crap. If you are in a coprorate purchasing position, don't buy it for your company. I would bet that ALL of us were Windows users in the early 90's....maybe a little OS/2 Warp and BeOS here and there...but when MS didn't give us what we wanted, we switched to Linux and Mac OS X.
That is the power we hold. It is the ONLY voice we have as consumer and it is the most powerful one. If you feel usage rights and too restrictive or don't like the idea of "upgrading" to a restrictive system then don't and tell sales people why you aren't givign them a commission.
Re:/.ers unite...we do have a voice! (Score:2, Insightful)
Out of the frying pan and into the fire? No thanks!
Re:/.ers unite...we do have a voice! (Score:2)
Re:/.ers unite...we do have a voice! (Score:2, Funny)
Yeah, right! And how would you explain to your pointy haired boss that he wont be able to play "Windows Vista Solitaire 2007"?
Re:/.ers unite...we do have a voice! (Score:2)
Wine, baby, Wine....
I do get the occasional complaint that the flicker from the 'H for Hint' command doesn't always show up, but thats very minor
Tell the truth. Say you have ~60% application compatibility, with 1/10 the cost, and no more anti-virus/spyware subscription.
You'd be surprised: The key to convincing non-techies to switch from Windows to Linux, especially non-computer literate people, is explaining things simply.
Supposed 'powe
Re: /.ers unite...we do have a voice! (Score:2)
Patents and paranoia are bad arguments to make consumers turn their living rooms into "DRM Detention Centers" - and even pay for their own prisons.
Dammit. (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm currently using a DVI -> VGA adapter with a VGA -> Mac adapter plugged into it so I can run my 20" Apple-branded trinitron, which I've been using for years.
Some of us can't afford to buy new monitors just because the connectors change.
Re:Dammit. (Score:3, Informative)
Convenient? (Score:2)
Oh, and try finding a modernish multihead Mac video card without an ADC jack. That's another damned adapter! My home machine is dual head, both original oldass Apple monitors - so I'm going dvi -> vga -> mac and ADC -> vga -> mac - using a VGA twiddler to adapt an apple connection to an apple connection, go technology!
Grrr.
ADC is nothing new - remember Applevision?* It's the
I wonder... (Score:2, Offtopic)
Re:I wonder... (Score:2)
comparison with LCD transition (Score:4, Insightful)
> A similar situation emerged in 1998 when consumers were initially hesitant
> to adopt a transition from CRT to LCD screens.
I don't think this was the reason for a hesitant transition of LCD,
which would work with existing interfaces. It was the price, which was
initially too high. For me, the prizes have only come down far enough
in 2001.
A new monitor interface will take longer to adapt to because it requires
both new graphics cards and new monitors and new computer projectors.
For me, an important transition was from VGA to DVI. Since my monitors
are feeded digitally, I have a much clearer picture. Still, I'm required
to use VGA, when using a video projector.
As others have pointed out, the better refresh rate or bandwidth is hardly the
reason for proposing a new standard. DRM implementations which promise to close
an analog hole, are the driving force. I doubt that encrypting the video signal
will do any good for the refresh rate. So, don't expect consumers to fall for it.
Re:comparison with LCD transition (Score:3, Insightful)
Personally, I plan to be the breaking factor in the "everyone else I know has it" bullshit. I won't have it. I
Where is the A/V bus? (Score:5, Insightful)
I won't get excited until someone develops an audio/video bus where you can connect multiple input devices and multiple output devices to the same bus.
I am disgusted at purchasing a TV where I can hookup one device via HDMI and one device via component video. So just what is one to do when they have two HDMI input devices and they want to view them both on their TV?
With a well designed A/V bus, I should be able to daisy chain several input and output devices to the bus. The streams on the bus should identify themselves descriptively. So, when I am changing the input source on my TV it says "Apex DVD player" or "Motorola DVR", etc. The TV shouldn't determine how many of which types of devices can be connected--rather the bandwidth of the bus should determine how many output devices can be active at once. Beyond that, if an output device has no input devices requesting the signal, why should it be using any bandwidth?
So my DVD player, DVR, Computer, TV, and audio receiver are all hooked up to the same bus. My DVD player is playing a DVD, but noone is watching it. The audio receiver is tuned into the audio channel of the DVD. In this case, only the DVD's audio channel would be on the bus. Simple bandwidth allocation based on demand. Devices can broadcast that a signal is available without actually broadcasting the signal. Then the TV is turned on and someone is watching the DVD. Now the DVD's audio and video are being broadcast. And even though the DVD audio is destined for two devices, it is only broadcast once on the bus. Combinations could be created where say you are watching the video of your computer on your TV and you are listening to the audio from a CD player, etc.
Too good to be true? (Score:2)
I think that's sad.
Re:Where is the A/V bus? (Score:5, Informative)
Another benefit of FireWire is that it is possible to connect a cable box to your Mac and save digital versions of shows. That's probably another reason why it died.
Still another benefit is that you can connect a MiniDV camcorder directly to a compatible TV over FireWire.
It's kinda sad that this elegant technology wasn't embraced due to the lack of DRM.
Check out this pic [uta.edu] of a home theater system. I found it a few years ago when I was in school. On the left is a regular home theater; on the right is a FireWire home theater.
Easy design is here, for ages... (Score:2)
What about HDMI? (Score:3, Interesting)
I don't have anything that can even handle 1080p yet. 90% of television isn't even broadcasting progressively, let alone HD res. I can't buy DVD's in HD yet.
Why do I need another cable/TV when I am far from fully utilizing the one I have?
pointless? (Score:2)
I suspect this new standard is driven by a desire for forcing DRM on users, not compatibility or meaningful improvements in quality. And the display manufacturers love it because everybody has to buy everything again. Unless we get DisplayPort-to-VGA adapters, of course...
But can it replace the ubiquitous video cable? (Score:3, Insightful)
What I am looking for is a way to carry video all over a new house I will be building in a few years. It turns out DVI and HDMI simple cannot run these distances. And besides that, the cabling itself is very expensive.
The traditional analog way to run video is over a 75 ohm coaxial cable, either as a baseband composite video with 2 separate audio cables, or as baseband component video (3 cables for Y, Pr, and Pb channels), or as modulated carriers suitable for cable or over-the-air (OTA) tuners. But the big question is how to advance home video distribution to the digital age. DVI and HDMI simply can't do it. I doubt DisplayPort will be able to do so, either for similar reasons. What could workd is the SDI (Serial Data Interface) and related HD upgrades used by the broadcast industry. The cabling for SDI is simple high grade 75-ohm coax and could even run a kilometer or more. The catch is that SDI is not cheap, despite the fact that technologically, it isn't really any more difficult to do than other digital technologies (it just isn't widely deployed to bring down costs). SDI also does not include any content protection methods (some would say this is a good thing).
This tendency for manufacturers to keep making all new types of connectors, and cables, and pinouts, for each new type of interfacing (USB and Firewire are other examples in a different context) just seems silly. Whatever needs to be sent or exchanged needs to simply be defined in terms of using a data bit stream, which can then be sent or exchanged over any of a number of types of physical interfaces. Follow that up with some simple high speed serial hardware interfaces (a metallic one over twisted pair, another matallic one over coax, and a fiber optic one). Done right, one type of simple and common cabling and connectors can do things from keyboards to video displays to hard drives, and even do so over a few kilometers of distance for point-to-point connections.
Re:Does it also Promise DRM ? (Score:5, Insightful)
Why do you think all the manufacturers are hellbent on pushing stuff like digital TV, new audio and video standards (BluRay and this)? Because of DRM, of course. Analog is being killed on purpose and DRM is coming. There's nothing you can do about it, so get ready for DRM'd computer hardware (goodbye home-built computers and open software), speakers, TVs, monitors and stereos.
Don't think that the customer's will allow this? Just wait and see. Analog TV broadcasts will end here in 2007 and you can bet that most of the stuff will be flagged with the broadcast flag [mpaa.org].
Re:Does it also Promise DRM ? (Score:3, Informative)
The broadcast flag has been shut down for the time being.
Still, everyone is on the right track, but it seems all I can do is to refuse to buy drm'd equipment.
Comment removed (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Does it also Promise DRM ? (Score:2)
This comes from the software industry and the media distribution industry. Think about it, if the hardware manufacturers were so gung ho to make this stuff, why would it be necessary to compel them to make it
Re:Does it also Promise DRM ? (Score:2)
I for one won't be buying until 'unlocked' HD-DVD etc. are available.
Re:Does it also Promise DRM ? (Score:2)
Make exact duplicates in Taiwan and China, then flood the market with them.
Pretty much impossible under Trusted Computing.
Tiawan can manufacture anything they like, but in general will will not work. Each device needs to have it's own unique identity key. This key is embedded in a boobytrapped self destructing microchip. That key needs to be signed by the Trusted Computing central authority.
A key will not work witho
Re:Does it also Promise DRM ? (Score:2)
Well, that's easy enough to solve. It shouldn't be difficult for a large Taiwanese manufacturer to rip the keys out of MANY of their competitors devices, and design theirs to cycle through all the keys until it finds one that works.
Sure, whoever'
Re:Does it also Promise DRM ? (Score:2)
Hell, this lappy's got a 56K modem. Old-skool BBS time?
Re:Does it also Promise DRM ? (Score:2)
I'm in the UK, where the official replacement for analog TV is Freeview - unencrypted but low-definition. Of course, large parts of the country can't currently get it, and some people will probably end up stuck with satellite, on which everything except the BBC is encrypted. (Movie and sports events licenses require non-UK viewers are stopped from viewing them. That and BSkyB control
Re:Does it also Promise DRM ? (Score:3, Informative)
If you own a Sky box you can obtain a free Sky card to unlock the equivalent channels to FreeView.
Re:Does it also Promise DRM ? (Score:2)
Freeview?? Free-fscking-view? You have got to be kidding me, they actually named it Freeview? The Official Government replacement for analog TV is Freeview.
Sounds like 1984 doubleplus ungoodspeak to me.
Here in Oceania the official replacement for tap water is Freewater - unsecured but low quality and somewhat contaminated. Of course, large parts of the country can't currently get it, and some people will probably end up stuck buying SomaWater.
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Re:Does it also Promise DRM ? (Score:3, Interesting)
Then that went belly-up (partly due to counterfeit viewing cards and partly to large payments for sports rights, both of which Sky may have had a hand in), and was taken over by a joint operation between the BBC and Sky and renamed Freeview.
Oh, and the signal quality
Re:Does it also Promise DRM ? (Score:2)
You don't need mod points here. They're not to be used to agree or disagree but to rate the quality of the post, or lack thereof.
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Re:Does it also Promise DRM ? (Score:2, Funny)
-Scott
Re:CopperTen it will be (Score:2, Insightful)
There are already TeraHz wireless displays (Score:2)
Re:Open Source + DRM (Score:2, Funny)
Re:I don't get this line: (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:I don't get this line: (Score:3, Interesting)
I can't see this taking off - even adding a few cents onto the manufacturing cost at the low end can make or break a product... this is going to be quite a bit more than that. DVI is popular because it actually removes a step (the ADC in the monitor) so it's dirt cheap to implement and gives a gain in quality... what incentive do the manufacturers have to implement this new interface? More cos
Re:I don't get this line: (Score:2, Interesting)
But what's the advantage? (Score:2)
Otherwise, if your display is capable of drawing an entire screen over and over at the required refresh rates, I don't see a real benefit. Maybe there's some benefit in the power consumption/EMI/"tempest" areas, but that's a bit silly.
If a display is not capable of drawing an entire screen at the desired refresh rates, then I wouldn't want to buy it.
OK even if the display can display stuff faster by just doing
Re:ok... but (Score:2)