Injecting Audio Into Insecure Bluetooth Handsets 222
vandon writes "Linux hackers have demonstrated a way to inject or record audio signals from passing cars running insecure Bluetooth hands-free units. The Trifinite group showed how hackers could eavesdrop on passing motorists using a directional antenna and a Linux Laptop running a tool it has developed called Car Whisperer."
Top secret info (Score:1)
Re:Top secret info (Score:3, Interesting)
Your title Top Secret info, then anyone that has that kind of clearance know that you cant talk on an unsecured line in an unsecured environment. If you mean getting caught talking nasty to your intern on a cell phone then all bets are off.
Re:Top secret info (Score:1)
Re:Top secret info (Score:5, Insightful)
Everyone knows that "government employee" == "perfectly competent".
Re:Top secret info (Score:2)
No if there is a leak, odds are it is a way to flush out moles or some covert attempt to see where the information is going and how the public reacts to it (aka more money for some security agency).
Re:Top secret info (Score:2)
Re:Top secret info (Score:2)
Either way when you talk about high-ranking politicians, there are different rules to play by - they're mistakes are cover-ups. As for some goofy shmuck getting caught releasing government secrets via a blue tooth line is someone you'll never hear about again.
Re:Top secret info (Score:2)
It only takes one to get caught-off guard... (Score:1)
Re:It only takes one to get caught-off guard... (Score:2)
Only a slight hiccup us geeks' "PLAN FOR WORLD DOMINATION"
To protect Top secret info... (Score:2)
Re:Top secret info (Score:2)
Re:Top secret info (Score:2)
Pretty sure you don't need a subpoena to collect and submit evidence that's been released to or broadcast in the public domain.
Bad assumption (Score:2)
Others [stateline.org] have gotten in trouble for less deliberate eavesdropping. (Well, maybe not less deliberate, but not so much effort was required.)
Perhaps the authorities wouldn't have this problem, but I suspect they would.
Re:Top secret info (Score:2)
So the cops and the FBI aren't allowed to tap your phone on demand. They need to obtain a warrant first, from a judge. (FYI: it's not a subpoena--you get a subpoena to compel someone else to do something, while you get a warrant to demonstrate that you've satisfied a judge that you've met a certain standard.)
But
"Can you hear me now?" (Score:5, Funny)
Re:"Can you hear me now?" (Score:2)
No mod points when you need them (Score:2)
Re:"Can you hear me now?" (Score:2)
What the hell is wrong with the mod?
That was +5,Funny
Give the mod the benefit of the doubt (Score:5, Informative)
For those who don't understand, Verizon Wireless (as in mobile/cellular phone, not WiFi network) has been running a series of commercials where in order to test the strength of Verizon's signals a Verizon technician will go into the most bizarre locations and say "Can you hear me now? Good!" The idea is that no matter where he goes, he can get a clear signal and can be heard by whoever is on the other end.
Hence why the parent post is actually 100% on-topic and funny.
(Now watch this post get hit with offtopic instead of Informative. No good deed goes unpunished on Slashdot.)
Anyone have the TV commercials online? (Score:2)
I couldn't find any online commercials, even on Verizon's Web site [verizon.com].
cool but also meh (Score:2)
If they had a proper AES-CCM or GCM core in there the channel would not only be private but authenticated.
Instead they opt for some homebrew crypto design that amazingly enough is not secure.
Tom
Re:cool but also meh (Score:4, Informative)
This works on devices which do not need to be put into a special mode to be paired, and which are using a fixed same-for-every-unit pairing password.
this software just requests a pairing with every handsfree device it sees, and tries the standard password. If the device had bothered to need physical confirmation for pairing (like any decent headset) or used a random printed-on-the-box password then this wouldnt be happening.
this also isnt about just listening in on other peoples phone conversations, its about listening to ANY conversation, as once you have paired with the device, if it is for example an in car hands free device, you can turn on the microphone and listen to anything said in the car cabin.
Re:cool but also meh (Score:2)
Re:cool but also meh (Score:3, Insightful)
My understanding of Bluetooth is that it CAN be used properly just as implemented it isn't.
If you're security cautious you'd use a normal usb or ps/2 keyboard.
Tom
Re:cool but also meh (Score:2)
Oh noes! They could illegally (Score:2, Funny)
Madness I tells ya!
I can see it now (Score:2, Funny)
Childhood stuff never gets old
Re:I can see it now (Score:2)
You know, that joke isn't new: I remember reading about a bunch of kids in Europe who went on an overpass with a small FM transmitter, tuned it to the local "highway traffic info" channel (above 107.0 FM or something) and started reporting a "major accident, extreme caution advised at mile marker such-and-such, you're required to slow down immediately" etc etc... in order to cause
Re:I can see it now (Score:2)
Better use (Score:2)
Re:Better use (Score:2)
Solution: Encryption (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Solution: Encryption (Score:2)
Disclaimer: I work for soft-core crypto company
Granted an embedded ARM could do crypto too, an embedded GCM core could do it with less power/area usage.
And since you only need kbps not gbps the clockrate is very low reducing the area, etc...
Tom
Re:Solution: Encryption (Score:5, Funny)
So does that mean you work for the "Spice Channel" of the Crypto industry???
Re:Solution: Encryption (Score:2)
ok "soft-core" means you license hardware designs but don't actually make chips or standalone chips.
Tom
Re:Solution: Encryption (Score:2)
You're kidding right? Crypto can be done in hardware as well....(snip)..an embedded ARM could do crypto too, an embedded GCM core could
You realize that both of your counter-examples actually are small computers right?
Simple Fix (Score:2, Funny)
Whats the problem? I expect a bill to be passed in the next year.
Re:Its funny. Laugh. (Score:2)
/ Bah! Everybody's a critic!
Re:That wouldn't work (Score:2)
(just kidding, in case you didn't notice the smiley
text of TFA (Score:2)
The carwhisperer project intends to sensibilise manufacturers of carkits and other Bluetooth appliances without display and keyboard for the possible security threat evolving from the use of standard passkeys.
A Bluetooth passkey is used within the pairing process that takes place, when two Bluetooth enabled devices connect for the first time. Besides other public data, the passkey is a secret parameter used in the process that generates and exchanges the so-called link key. In Bluetooth communi
Re:text of TFA (Score:2)
They are also mangleiseing the English language
List of which kits are susceptable (Score:5, Insightful)
These guys seem to be pretending to be doing it for the good of the industry, but their site seems to list a lot of Bluetooth Hacks & Attacks [trifinite.org]. And they didn't seem to have made any effort to contact vendors to get the problem corrected, either.
Re:List of which kits are susceptable (Score:2)
Re:List of which kits are susceptable (Score:2)
Re:List of which kits are susceptable (Score:2)
AFAIK most other attacks depend on "bloopers" in the Bluetooth spec. which allow you to pull data from the phone without authenticating. (It's fundamentally a problem that AFAIK no mobile phones have implemented a proper security manager, all just use the static "all on or all off" security which is mandatory.)
I would imagine that SE phones are "more vunerable" since they actually implement a lot of Bluetooth profile
Re:List of which kits are susceptable (Score:2)
ostiguy
Re:List of which kits are susceptable (Score:5, Informative)
Finish reading the article.. Does you device allow you to enter your own passkey? Does your device allow you to reject connection attempts? If your device has no user interface, then it probably is vunerable.
Re:List of which kits are susceptable (Score:4, Interesting)
Don't be too tough on them. I saw their demo at WhatTheHack [whatthehack.org] last weekend. After the session I asked which brand to buy for security, and the reply was that Nokia had done a good job of making up for their mess. Also their story at the time was that they test a lot of bluetooth stuff for the industry, working with the industry to find holes before phones go to market (not quite sure of the timing, but I am sure that they cooperate).
Re:List of which kits are susceptable (Score:2)
It takes a lot more than one persons website to make a company change a technology that they have spent millions of dollors of R&D and marketing on. Perhaps, thousands of customers complaints or a prominent news article. Not saying what they are doing is right (or wrong), but realistically burden of resolution lies with the company itself if they wish to take action.
Acura TL (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Acura TL (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Acura TL (Score:2)
Re:Acura TL (Score:3, Funny)
Cop: "Do you have any idea how fast you were going?"
You: "About 2.5GHz."
Like we want to hear (Score:3, Funny)
Count me out on the "evesdropping on car phone conversations," thanks.
Re:Like we want to hear (Score:2)
butt set (Score:3, Funny)
Re:butt set (Score:2)
Re:butt set (Score:2)
Device must be in paring mode (Score:2, Informative)
From what i understand of the article, your bluetooth device must be explicitly set to the pairing/discoverable mode. This is not on by default
On my Jabra BT800 headset, i have to push a recessed button to bring the device to this mode. After the headset is paired, it is no longer discoverable, nor does it accept parings from other devices.
Re:Device must be in paring mode (Score:2)
I guess there must be some headsets out there that are always in a state ready to be paired, or this attack would never work.
Re:Device must be in paring mode (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Device must be in paring mode (Score:2, Interesting)
anyway. yesterday as i was sitting on a bus on the way home from drumming school, i disconnected my phone from the bt200 so that i can do a scan for other devices and i found another phone (named "Hayat", no idea what that stands for). i tried to connect to it loads of times with passkey 0000, and most of the time it just said bluetooth connection error. once though it was passkey mismatch, so i guess the phone asked the guy the passkey. wh
Cordless Telephones (Score:2, Informative)
Lets just say I got to know my neighbors very well.
(If you have a cordless phone and are wondering if its secure.. make sure it has "spread spectrum" technology)
Re:Cordless Telephones (Score:2, Informative)
Too bad you can't talk back (Score:2)
Better driving through feedback!
Re:Too bad you can't talk back (Score:2)
A friend told me a story from when he was a truck driver. He was in the middle of three lanes waiting at a
Re:Too bad you can't talk back (Score:2)
Why is it just for cars? (Score:4, Funny)
Broadcast Ping (Score:2, Interesting)
I have always wanted a way to do a broadcast ping of all the local cellphones to get them all to ring at once. I bet theatres would like a device that could do this in order to get patrons to turn off their ringers before shows start.
Re:Why is it just for cars? (Score:2)
Just so I can piss you off further.
But seriously, why does this upset you? I know I've seen people with the earpiece in, and while I think it's a little silly - especially since they're not on a call, it's just an earpiece.
Re:Why is it just for cars? (Score:2)
I never said it upset me in any way. I just like abusing idiots. It is the same reason that go around the office at night after everyone leaves and mess with their computers if they leave them both turned on and logged in until the next morning. I need to rewrite an old Win95 program that made the icons move away from the mouse, so you have to trap them in the corner to click on them. Replacing desktops with screenshots of their desktop is getting old.
Subliminal spam... (Score:2)
Although, there could be practical applications. There were some conceptual projects where cars were able to determine the location of each other using RF communications. The idea of this was to prevent crashes during times of restricted visibility (fog, blizzards). And hav
What does this have to do with Linux? (Score:2)
/ note to zealot moderators: this is as much a COMPLIMENT to linux as anything else.
Re:What does this have to do with Linux? (Score:2)
The article makes no mention of any other OS.
Re:What does this have to do with Linux? (Score:2)
Could it? Linux gives full documentation and access to everything from the hardware level up.
Re:What does this have to do with Linux? (Score:2)
Because it got the article green-lighted. Submitters can karma-whore as well you know...
Good (Score:3, Funny)
"Get off the phone and drive!"
"Pay attention!"
or my favorite
"Put down the beer!"
Re:Good (Score:2)
Might also be fun to find a bluetooth user with a fish sticker and inject coments like:
"Satan wants you to go to church"
"Gospel rock demeans both the gospel and rock"
I guess that means..... (Score:2)
Real Real Genius... (Score:2)
Pics of the demo on WhatTheHack last friday (Score:2, Informative)
I made some pics of the demo, starting with this one:
http://geektechnique.org/gallery/wth2005/DSC04384 [geektechnique.org]
(browse with 'next' through the pics of the demo)
BTW, WTH was great!
Ohh-ahh there are voices in my HEAD.... (Score:2)
against the user and the developer
this is not a toy for corporate america
nah where is the dongle
#apt-get install libbluetooth1-dev
hope that's the needed lib
Re:Ohh-ahh there are voices in my HEAD.... (Score:2)
Would you rather using such devices be encouraged? It is called unauthorized eavesdropping and is illegal in most countries.
Just curious -- you seem to use the word "corporate" as a derogatory term. Would you rather live in a "tribal america"? Or in a "collective farming america"?
Re:Ohh-ahh there are voices in my HEAD.... (Score:2)
on the other hand i use it as a derogatory term as in: "big mean corporations controlling everything"
hmm a farming america would be nice
anyway do not take it offensive, I feel like that against corporation controlled (ALL?) governments
It is always nice to rebel against something isn't it ?
cheers
Re:Ohh-ahh there are voices in my HEAD.... (Score:2)
Once we find a better way, corporations will fade away the same way tribes and slavery did.
Not without a (good) cause...Details and question about susceptibility (Score:2)
So, are there any headsets or car units out there that are NOT susceptible to this?
In order to not be susceptible, you gotta have either
a) A non-constant PIN (meaning that it either has to be random every time or semi-unique to that device, like the manufacturer puts a different PIN in each unit
The Trifinite Site Is Excellent (Score:2)
Check out the over 1-mile Bluetooth detection page. They got a Bluetooth connection over a mile away.
They also can run Bluetooth snarfing from a Bluetooth-enabled cell phone.
Lots of fun Bluetooth stuff there. These guys are brilliant.
Expectation of privacy? (Score:2)
I've wondered, for some time, if police would ever employ those "listen to a conversation inside a room by bouncing a laser off of the window" spy gadgets to listen to what the occupants of a car are saying during a traffic stop (or maybe even *before* the cop decides to pull them over) to hear time-saving tidbits like "Vinnie... quick! Hide the dope under the back seat!".
This bluetooth thing makes it a lot easier. I'm pretty sure that the supre
Re:Expectation of privacy? (Score:2)
also see.... (Score:2)
Re:Moderation messed up (Score:2)
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Re:Moderation messed up (Score:2)
Re:Moderation messed up (Score:2)
FYI though, I used to get mod points every week, for many months, until one day it stopped. Maybe a week later, I was advised that some metamoderator had disagreed with one of my moderation and that said moderation had been cancelled. I haven't received mod points since then.
So I suspect the moderation system hands mod points over to those who make as few mistakes as possible (which sounds like a good thing to do), and one way to never make mistakes in moderation is to always mod ob
Re:Moderation messed up (Score:2)
Intrestingly, as the number of moderations dropped, the percentage of bad mods to good mods changed quite a lot. Seems the people who store their mod points are more likely to mod down.
Oh wait thats just because we actually are offtopic.
Re:Moderation messed up (Score:2)
There are no mod points going around today? Muahahahaha now I can troll with impunity!
Hmm let's see, In Soviet Russia, a beowulf cluster of hot grits imagines YOU down Natalie Portman's pants, my new insensitive clod overlord. Wait, that's not trolling, that's just mixing cliche's... Let's try again... Linux == communism, SCO == teh win. I [img src="heart.gif"] the RIAA. How's that?
Uh-oh, if the moderation system gets fixed today, this might be modded off topic. Encrypt your bluetooth communications
Re:Moderation messed up (Score:2)
Oh crap, I've already posted here...
Re:Mod problems? - def off-topic (Score:2)
Inter-sting? (Score:2)