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AMD and Intel Notebooks Head to Head 204

Posted by Zonk from the compare-and-contrast dept.
An anonymous reader writes "The two chip giants go head-to-head in this review of notebook computers which features 10 different models." From the article: "To be blunt, sourcing high-performance AMD-based notebooks for this test was less difficult than extracting teeth from a fully grown chicken -- but only just. After much chasing, only two vendors submitted an AMD-powered product -- MSI and Asus. Interestingly, both vendors had their Intel-powered notebooks at the Lab with no chasing needed. We should point out that the rarity of AMD product is not the fault of AMD, rather vendors, in Australia at least, do not seem to stock adequate quantities of high-performance AMD-equipped notebooks. Acer, for example, has a humdinger of a notebook the Acer Ferrari 3400 that is equipped with a mobile Athlon 64 but the company was unable to ship a single unit to the lab during the entire month of May."
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  • Its a conspiracy. (Score:2, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    A consipracy I tell ya. Intell must have jinxed the compiler preventing the vendors from shipping AMDs.

  • Of course they couldn't (Score:5, Funny)

    by fr0dicus ( 641320 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @07:48AM (#13155273) Journal
    The waiting list for a Ferrari is months or years!

  • Printer-friendly version (Score:5, Informative)

    by sczimme ( 603413 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @07:48AM (#13155274)

    Fewer ads 'n' whatnot: Clicky. [zdnet.com.au]

  • One possible explenation (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 25, 2005 @07:48AM (#13155275)
    It could be that the demand for high performance AMD notebooks is high. Compared to the amount of notebooks produced maybe, but still. THey are being shipped to customers rather than to test labs. :)

    • Re:One possible explanation (Score:5, Interesting)

      by panurge ( 573432 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @07:57AM (#13155332)
      Indeed it could be. It may be too that the vendors are careful not to promote them too hard because (a) Intel may get nasty and (b) they would eat into the mainstream product lines.

      When I got my AMD64 notebook, eighteen months ago (yes, early adopter, I know) I was told it would be unreliable, run too hot, etc. etc. It has so far survived eighteen months of commuting and abuse, especially the abuse of using it as a test vehicle for a complete web server and development platform. It's still on the first HDD ("Won't last eight months...") And so far the only thing to go wrong is a little rubber foot came off (replaced with superglue.) Even though my other notebook is a P-M Thinkpad, I would recommend the AMD64 to anyone who actually needs performance.

      • Re:One possible explanation (Score:4, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 25, 2005 @09:09AM (#13155848)
        When I got my AMD64 notebook, eighteen months ago (yes, early adopter, I know) I was told it would be unreliable, run too hot, etc. etc. It has so far survived eighteen months of commuting and abuse, especially the abuse of using it as a test vehicle for a complete web server and development platform. It's still on the first HDD ("Won't last eight months...")

        Usually followed by the computer salesman's pitch for their extended warranty.

        • One theory is that the quality of manufacturing these days is so poor that "extended warranties" might not be such a stupid choice for major purchases. My ancient 15" no-name monitor lasted for 7 years or so. Both of my higher-end Mitsubishi CRTs ($500+ each) crapped out shortly after the 3 year warranty.

  • Fodder for the lawsuit? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by jarich ( 733129 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @07:49AM (#13155284) Homepage Journal
    Is this sort of situation fodder for the pending lawsuits or just a reflection of consumer demand (or the lack thereof)?

  • More cannon fodder (Score:5, Funny)

    by Iriel ( 810009 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @07:49AM (#13155286) Homepage
    Gee, after reading enough articles like this, I'm starting to think AMD should start checking /. for arguments in their Intel-monopoly lawsuit ;)
    • The Ferrari laptop mentioned above was previously discussed here [slashdot.org], and opinion ran so strongly for it being Teh Stupidest Thing EVAR! that the story was classed under "It's Funny. Laugh."

      If that sort of low-volume enthusiast novelty hardware is typical of AMD64 notebooks, it hardly requires conspiracy theories about Intel to explain why vendors (in Australia, mind you!) don't have lots of them in stock.

      • Or it's because it's been replaced with the Acer Ferrari 4000 [amdboard.com], which is a much nicer design.

        Though if you're looking for Overkill, you can't beat the Clevo D900K [amdboard.com] series.

        • Re:Ferrari 4000 (Score:3, Funny)

          by Otter ( 3800 )
          I dunno -- seems to me if you're going to go for the vulgarity of a Ferrari computer, the utter vulgarity of the all-red model beats the subdued vulgarity of the new rev.

          On the other hand, the Tulip E-Go [amdboard.com] on that site is genuinely stunning. I don't know how many customers there are for a 64-bit laptop that looks like a tulip-covered handbag, though. And 283,000 Euros for the diamond-encrusted model is a bit steep -- maybe Lil' Kim would want one.

          In any case, I bet you can't just call up and get a review mo

  • Well... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by DanielNS84 ( 847393 ) <DanielNS84@NOspAM.gmail.com> on Monday July 25, 2005 @07:49AM (#13155287) Homepage
    I suppose they were too good to just grab one from a retail place and see what us commoners would get ;) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82 E16834115194 [newegg.com]
    • For how long batteries last for this thing? Most people are not interested in notebook without 4h+ battery work.
      • I wish that I could tell you, but I would like to buy one. The sites selling it list it as having around 3 hours of battery life, which I expect that to be good for an AMD notebook. Many pundits here do keep saying that the Pentium-M chip and Centrino chipset are great for long-lasting notebook batteries. AMD hasn't gone to the lengths that Intel have to make low-power Notebook chips, but they do offer notebook parts that will run AMD64.
        • I'm going to buy some notebook at the end of the summer. While I generally prefer to buy AMD (they are more open when it comes to working with community and providing documentation), the 5h 51 minutes work time of Acer mentioned in article is tempting as hell.
          • The graphs [zdnet.com.au] are more than a bit misleading...

            5:51 for battery life is phenomenal, but you are buying integrated graphics and a 1024x768 display. But this thing is aimed at desktop work and scored above average for business content creation. I'm still shocked by a notebook computer that can manage nearly 6 hours from its batteries...
            • If its battery you want, go to dynamism, and get a Panasonic R4. 9 hours they say; even if that's off the mark, you must get at least 7.5h or so.

      • Ohh, you're wrong about that. (Score:5, Insightful)

        by cbreaker ( 561297 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @11:44AM (#13157213) Journal
        While I'd LIKE to have a huge battery life in my notebook, it's not all that important to me. I use a notebook for all my work; at the office and when I got home I take it with me. I have a docking station at the office and a power supply at home that I sometimes take with me when I'm on call and I'm going to be away for the weekend or something.

        The fact is, I'm always where there's power available. I don't need to use the machine on an airplane for 6 hours. I don't need to use my computer on a park bench all day.

        Most of the guys I work with do the same thing. Our machines don't have the best battery life but it's good enough for the long meetings or logging in to check e-mail from the road. That extra two or three hours time on the battery just wouldn't matter.

        I'd rather have a really powerful notebook that I can use as a desktop replacement for work that I can take home with me then a slower unit that has longer batttery life.

        I'm not the only one that feels this way.
        • While I'd LIKE to have a huge battery life in my notebook

          If you can get the power requirements low enough, I'll take 10 years please ;)

          http://www.physorg.com/news4081.html [physorg.com]

          screw the wall outlet I want a laptop where you have to replace the system before the battery dies ;)

          before someone say's 'but what about the radiation' if it's safe enough to put inside someone's pace maker, then it's can be designed safe enough to build into a laptop..
      • For how long batteries last for this thing? Most people are not interested in notebook without 4h+ battery work.

        I would say a good fraction (possibly even a majority) of notebook users just want a small computer they can grab and move around easily. Most of these users really don't care about battery life at all.

  • I'd prefer an Intel laptop (Score:5, Funny)

    by Arthur B. ( 806360 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @07:52AM (#13155306)
    Because the machine code is more optimized if I use my Intel compiler.

  • No wonder an Intel unit was the winner (Score:4, Interesting)

    by gilesjuk ( 604902 ) <giles@jones.zen@co@uk> on Monday July 25, 2005 @07:56AM (#13155327)
    Given the limited number of experienced corperate notebook vendors using AMD, it's no wonder an Intel laptop won. Until the likes of IBM, Toshiba, Sony and others are shipping AMD notebooks then AMD based portables are going to be second best.

    • Re:No wonder an Intel unit was the winner (Score:4, Interesting)

      by manno ( 848709 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @08:53AM (#13155710)
      RTFA, That AMD based ASUS is no joke, it's one of the best laptops out there no exceptions. I'd take a laptop made by ASUS, over any other company out there. They are hands down one of the best consumer oriented electronics companies around. I prefer AMD processors in my computers. Plain and simple I'm an underdog kind of guy. Every PC, and laptop I own uses an AMD processor, and 2 of the three PC's have ASUS motherboards to match. But truth be told in the mobile market Intel has a far superior chip. Your not going to see widespread acceptance of AMD in the mobile market, until they make a chip that's better than the Pentium M(PM). AMD's Turion is OK, but has a long way to go in terms of battery performance. The fact that the ASUS notebook did so well on the battery benchmark is a testament to ASUS's engineering more so than AMD's underlying technology. It's no coincidence that the top performers in battery performance were all from Intel. If you want to see how good a chip the PM is look at the Doom 3 numbers here:

      http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=a64 x2&page=10/ [gamepc.com]

      A PM @ 2.13GHz performs exactly the same as a A64 @ 2.4GHz, And it consumes a lot less power. PM's on the mobile side are just better chips. If you're doing media creation the scales tip towards AMD, but for business apps, and typical home consumer use it's the PM's battery life that makes it so popular.

      -manno

  • Pricing (Score:5, Insightful)

    by zaguar ( 881743 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @07:57AM (#13155333)
    If you take anything out of this, Yanks, look at the pricings. In Australia, a developed, industrialized nation we have 150%-200% markups vs U.S. prices on almost all computing items.

    If you want to see more for yourself - look at:

    http://www.newegg.com/ [newegg.com]

    vs

    http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/ [auspcmarket.com.au]

    • Re:Pricing (Score:5, Informative)

      by ballstothat ( 893605 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @08:09AM (#13155393)
      What about currency conversion?

      Australian dollars currently trade at $1.30AU for every $1US.

      XFX Geforce 7800 at Newegg is:

      $574 dollars
      Link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82 E16814150100 [newegg.com]

      XFX Geforce 7800 at AusPCMarket is:

      $924 dollars
      Link: http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/show_product_info.ph p?input%5Bproduct_code%5D=VI-11PVT70F-256&input%5B category_id%5D=1339 [auspcmarket.com.au]

      $574 x 1.3 = $746.20

      There is a markup, of about 20 percent. Not 150-200% as you have stated, however.

      • You're also using the GST-inc price - the one that includes the 10% goods and services tax in Australia. Whereas the US price doesn't include sales tax.

        So the price you should be comparing to is the AU$840 one for a 12.5% markup.

        Then there's a 5% import duty as well, but I think that's calculated based on what the importer paid for it not what they then resell it for - but lets pretend not. In which case $840 includes a 5% tariff and hence is really $800 for a 7.2% markup. Of couse the US probably has an
    • umm.. did convert currency? When I was in Australia (2000) the US dollar was stronger and the conversion ratio was $1AU = $0.56US. I'm sure with the dollar dropping and Aus having a strong economy its more favorable for Australians, but that's likely a major source in the discrepency.

      There also might be issues I'm unaware of such as higher shipping and a high tax on imports.

    • Re:Pricing (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Bad to the Ben ( 871357 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @08:11AM (#13155403)
      It's even more extravagant when you consider that the Australian dollar is worth 76 US cents (not great but not enough to justify that markup), and that Taiwan, where most of this stuff is made, is a hell of a lot closer to Australia (and therefore less expensive to ship to) than it is America.

      Then again, the US is a far bigger purchaser of this sort of stuff, so they probably get a bulk purchase discount or something.
    • Buy from Korea or China.... Oh now you shut up... ye lucky bastards :P
  • a bad reputation in Australia. I haven't really noticed a lot of talk about them to be honest - most of the stuff you hear about is Intel.

    Then again, maybe the retailers in Australia just don't provide the same support for AMD as for Intel. Lawsuit, anyone? *removes tongue from cheek*

  • Wanted! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by copponex ( 13876 )
    • 17" Laptop with 1650x1050 resolution
    • A clear, crisp display with no glossy finish that doesn't look like ass (I'm looking at you, Dell 9300/XPS Gen2!)
    • full numeric keypad
    • Turion processor
    • two memory slots
    • DVI Out!
    • NVidia GPU
    • Built-in Bluetooth

    In all likelyhood, I'll have to settle for an Apptel Powerbook and give up on Turion/NVidia. This assumes, of course, that they offer a new display on the 17". I just hope they make it out of something besides soft metal in the next revision.

    • I realize that you had DVI Out in bold, but if you are willing to pass on that and are willing to accept an ATI video card instead of the NVidia, here's [pro-star.com] a machine in which you may be interested.

      I have one of them myself, and have been very happy with it so far.

    • Have to settle for an Apptel Powerbook? You have never used a Powerbook or OS X, have you? I mean, actually used it? By your statement, the answer to that question is No.

      What you want has been available in an Apple Powerbook for quite a while. And will soon be powered by an Intel CPU.

      Is it the price of the current Powerbook that bothers you? If so then you should state that you are looking in a particular price range.
      • I had a 17" 1.67 Powerbook that was far slower than my eMachines M6805. After a small drop on my (now ex) girlfriend's 15" made it close improperly, I swore off aluminum notebooks for good and sold my 17". (I've dropped, banged, and kicked my emachines around for over a year, and though it's scratched, I can defintely attest to the durability of plastic over soft metal.)

        Plus, there are architectural apps with no equal in the Linux or Mac world that I use, and I also use QuickBooks.

        Also, the powerbook does
      • A high resolution display? Full numeric keypad? A powerful processor? Current Apple Powerbooks have none of that.
    • Clevo D900K [amdboard.com]. It's an update of the Clevo D470K w/Radeon 9700 that various vendors have been selling under their own brands (GamePC, Sager, etc). No Turion, since it's Socket 939 (the D470K can take Turions), but with AMD's excellent power management that's not too big a deal in a behemoth like this. Definitely go with an Athlon 64 X2 dualcore CPU.
    • full numeric keypad

      You had me up till that point... I also want such a beast, but c'mon, a full numeric keypad on a *laptop*? (It's rare enough that I use the keypad on my full desktop keyboard.)

      I've seen a few such beasts, and they're freakin' huge!

      Now, I'd definitely go for a laptop that had full-size, rationally-placed arrow keys, pageup/pagedown, etc.... or even ones that are tucked away in odd places or reduced to half-size status (yes, I'm talking to YOU, Mr. Apple Powerbook Keyboard Designer Guy)
    • My HP zd7000 has been working quite nicely - with the exception of a nasty defect wherein the RAM has issues when DIMM slot 2 is filled (not in the later models). It has a 17" display, with 1440x900 (close to what you want), a full keyboard, two memory slots, NVidia GPU, and I think it has bluetooth (but I have no BT devices).
    • I hear you man, I really do. I'm in the market for a new laptop as well, starting school shortly. I'm faced with finding a powerful laptop to use or settling for something weak, slow, but light and with good battery life instead. There's really no point in finding middle ground. Apple's got the best offerings in the small size market, and I'd probably enjoy having a Mac, it'd be my first.

      I'd still prefer a dual-core Turion, but I don't believe those are out just yet. I don't want to be burdened with ATI's

  • Offtopic possibly, but I just have to say... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Weaselmancer ( 533834 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @08:02AM (#13155363)

    ...serious bonus points for using the word "humdinger" in a tech review.

  • problems only applicable down under? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by js3 ( 319268 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @08:06AM (#13155378)
    acer does not sell every model everywhere. There are a lot of laptops that aren't sold in north american and vice versa. I had no problem getting an acer in canada, but some other laptops I wanted were only available in the EU. Maybe nobody sells amds in australia beacuse there isn't much demand for it or it's too expensive to build and send there

  • Aesthetics? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by N8F8 ( 4562 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @08:10AM (#13155398)
    It would be nice to have a decent picture for each model too. Personally I like to have a decent looking notebook too. I've been to quite a few meetings where people were distracted by weird looking notebooks.

    • Re:Aesthetics? (Score:2, Interesting)

      by weg ( 196564 )
      Actually aesthetics is the unique selling point of Apple notebooks nowadays, cause the current i- and Power-Books are really lame with respect to performance (I'm not an Apple hater.. I own a brand new Powerbook myself). But as long as the other manufacturers make sure that their notebooks look like cheap toys there will always be somebody (like me ;-)) who buys Apple notebooks.

  • ASUS in Italy, not in USA (Score:3, Interesting)

    by mennucc1 ( 568756 ) <d9slash@mennucc1.debian.net> on Monday July 25, 2005 @08:13AM (#13155411) Homepage Journal
    I live in Italy, and often travel to USA: I noted that ASUS notebooks (that are quite common here - my university also bought a dozen to lend to students writing thesis) are not usually found in USA (actually it was a professor there who also noted and commented "I see all you italians arriving with ASUS notebooks that here are nowhere to be found). I wonder why.

  • Wrong priorities (Score:3, Interesting)

    by trevdak ( 797540 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @08:19AM (#13155443) Homepage
    Now his troubles are all great and nice and whatnot, don't get me wrong, but isn't the point of him writing an article so that we don't have to go through the same trouble he did? I'd rather hear something in the summary about which one actually did better....

  • HP makes Athlon64 notebooks... (Score:4, Informative)

    by Ritz_Just_Ritz ( 883997 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @08:24AM (#13155481)
    And they're easy to buy. Just go to HP's online shopping kiosk. I've been using a Presario R3240 for about6-7 months (athlon64 3200+) and am quite happy with the performance.

    Cheers,
    • A little info regarding HP's service. My mother bought a nice little A64 3200+ laptop from BestBuy, a Pavilion zv6000. It came with 512mb of RAM, DVDR, 80gb of HD and a dedicated 128mb Radeon X200m. She'd had it for a little over a month when, after removing a PCMCIA Buffalo Wireless card, a small brass pin fell out of the slot.

      Needless to say, she spent the requisite time getting the situation handled. First, she tried the "Live Chat" on HP's support page. The person who first had contact with her appea

  • I built an AMD 64 laptop-just two weeks ago (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Well, not really built, just bought a bare AMD 64 Uniwill laptop from coboc.com, and inserted an AMD 64 3700+, 1.25 GB RAM, a wireless abg mini-PCI card, a 100GB 5400 Momentum Seagate drive and a DVD writer.

    There was no shortage of bare AMD 64 laptops, the package arrived in one day.

    I had lots of spare components, I only had to pay about $750 (CA Tax and shipping included). I did not have to buy a CPU,HD, DVD-writer or a wireless card, all these components existed already in our lab. I had no spare laptop

  • Some hot temps there... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Bad to the Ben ( 871357 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @08:26AM (#13155490)
    Some of those laptops are real toasters judging by the thermal tests there. The Toshiba Tecra is 45.6C under the base and exhaust air is 43C. Wouldn't want that sitting on my lap too long. Cooler models would probably yield increased battery life as well (more efficiency, less energy loss to powering fans).

    One thing I'd like to see taken into account in these types of tests is how hot laptops such as this perform outside the lab. In Australia, 37C temps are not uncommon outdoors during summer. If this Tecra tested that high in a lab, how will it hold up outside in that kind of heat? I mean, half the benefit of having a laptop is being able to use it outside the nice, comfortably AC'ed office. If I got BSODs due to thermal problems, I'd be pissed.
    • ...these are notebooks. Just to go over the difference again:
      http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=14205 8&cid=11906247 [slashdot.org]

      So, no, you wouldn't want this sitting in your lap, as they aren't laptops.

      (Note also that the article only once mentions 'laptop', on the first page, in reference to typical application of a particular chipset.)

  • Tiny.com (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward
    This company used to sell alot of AMD notebooks but I know 3 people with them and all 3 laptops suffer from overheating (thats what you get when you stick a 3700+ in a laptop I guess) they have stopped selling some of the top models :(

  • i'd still (Score:3, Insightful)

    by mad27 ( 630687 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @08:41AM (#13155616)
    buy a powerbook any day of the week

  • Uh...? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Hack Jandy ( 781503 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @08:56AM (#13155736) Homepage
    Problem Solved [anandtech.com]

    HJ

  • Only vendor submitted laptops? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Cromac ( 610264 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @09:07AM (#13155826)
    After much chasing, only two vendors submitted an AMD-powered product -- MSI and Asus.

    So they only test laptops they are given? Why should we trust them to have an unbiased opinion or that they have actually done the best AMD/Intel comparision possible in that case? They should buy commercial laptops just like any individual or admin would do and test those, not just what they can get given to them by potential advertisers.

  • I want my AMD. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by th3space ( 531154 ) <brad@@@bradfucious...com> on Monday July 25, 2005 @09:19AM (#13155945) Homepage
    My last few computers (desktop and laptop alike) have been AMD powered, and I've been very impressed with the reliability and performance that they have brought to me. For example, my Athlon64 3000+ laptop has been running like a champ for the past 3 months...my new P4 work box is two months old and has already needed to be replaced once and repaired twice.

    I'm never switching back, never, never, never. I need to get my hands on a PPC PowerBook soon, because the Intel jump at Apple concerns me...
    • What parts were affected in the P4 box? I have so far cosidered the chance of atual hardware failure as an important difference. Maybe reliability from the chipset (Via 686B for both Intel and AMD, anyone?), but not actual failure.

      So, have you any reason to really attribute this to the CPU? Rather sounds like cheap stuff overall in your work box.

      And, yes, my next desktop machine will probably be a dual-core AMD, just like I might stick to Pentium M-based stuff in laptops for a while. Those are nice, whil

  • Most powersupplies are good.

    The 80mm fans are quiet now for about 10 bucks.

    The 120mm fans are dead quiet.

    But the 50mm fans are very noisy and induce a lot of case vibration because they have to turn so fast. These are usually on the chip set. I have been unable to find a solution. Does anyone else have one?

    • Often you can remove the small heatsink+fan and replace it with a much larger heatsink. The Arctic Silver folks have an epoxy version of their heatsink compound so you don't have to worry about clipping the new heatsink down. I've actually had good luck with Superglue but I have no idea what it might do to the plastic chip packaging long term.
    • But the 50mm fans are very noisy and induce a lot of case vibration because they have to turn so fast. These are usually on the chip set. I have been unable to find a solution. Does anyone else have one?

      My solution is to just shop around until you find a motherboard without the little chipset fan. I hate them - not only are they noisy but those little chipset and graphics card fans seem to be the most unreliable too.
  • I have owned a Compaq R3200 series with a 3200+ for about a year now. One thing I find frustrating is that reviewers rarely run the machine the way I do. I use my box for a LAN party machine (or did, before the integrated GeForce 4 lost sight of the curve), but it's always plugged in. I use it for some computational work, sound processing, and Blendering as a hobby -- but it's always plugged in.

    Sure, it's warm, but it's also sitting on my coffee table, my kitchen table, my Panera table, my desk, or my m
  • AMD and Intel Notebooks Head to Head

    What for? A pissing contest?

  • The Acer Ferrari isn't impossible to find, they are in high demand though. It's all about timing. If anyone wants one, I have them for sale at http://www.cts-llc.net/ [cts-llc.net] for $2098. Free shipping to anywhere in the US.

    I haven't had a chance to play with a Ferrari yet, but I sell TravelMate's and Aspire's all the time. They're well built, have excellent LCD screens, and an extended warranty only costs you $99 for 2 years of additional coverage.

    We don't sell outside of the United States, sorry Nigeria!

  • Here's a fun test: Call Dell (Score:4, Interesting)

    by popo ( 107611 ) on Monday July 25, 2005 @11:55AM (#13157334) Homepage

    Call Dell and ask for an AMD based machine.

    You'll get a very scripted answer of how AMD suffers compatibility problems, overheating, and is slower than Intel.

    I asked if AMD had any chips that were faster than Intel (you know like the 64 bit dual core CPU's which every gamer knows well).

    The answer? "No, AMD is really a second rate product and is not reliable". He followed with "Nobody is looking for AMD. They are really very junky."

    Amazing! "Junky!" One must wonder why then is Intel now copying AMD's "junky" architecture?

    Apparently no one told this guy that HP, Sun Microsystems, Lenovo (Thinkpad), and Hitatchi all went AMD within days after the lawsuit was filed.

  • ... knows the truth. Intel *will* lose the AMD lawsuit.

    Prediction: Intel gets their ass handed to them over the AMD lawsuit. First in Europe, then (after another year of wrangling) in the U.S.

    Just wait until Dell gets subpoenaed. That's when the real fun will begin.

  • I was looking for a nice Turion notebook recently and found something odd: as I understand it, AMD makes two lines of those chips, the ML which are supposed to output 35 watts (or rather not more than 35), and the MT which is 25.

    I must've looked through pretty much every single model from HP, Acer and Asus (and a few others) and could not find a single one with an MT processor - is there a reason for this, or did I just miss it? A couple of reviews mentioned that there isn't much of a price difference betw

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