How to Keep Your Computer Cool 216
ThinSkin writes "ExtremeTech is featuring a how-to article on keeping your computer cool by adopting an efficient airflow strategy for your PC case. The article goes into detail on what types of fans are optimal for your computer and your needs, where you should place them, and how to make your own fan mounts. From the article: 'With an efficient cooling strategy, there's no reason a case should ever grow so warm. Good airflow is critical to keeping your PC operating and extending the life of the components. Keep the air flowing!'"
Stirling Refrigerators (Score:5, Informative)
While there's something to be said for this step being rather extreme, it might lead to the development of cryogenic computers. These futuristic processors could utilize super-conducting transistors and wires [wikipedia.org] to improve performance and eliminate waste heat.
Kind of a weird thought, but there you have it.
Personally, I'd like to see Stirling or Pulse Tube Coolers replacing existing phase-change air conditioners. In the name of "energy efficiency", you can't buy a decent apartment AC and are forced to deal with putting one in every room. Stirling engines could provide better cooling for less energy! Now if we could just get the buggers mass produced to bring down the cost...
Re:Stirling Refrigerators (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Stirling Refrigerators (Score:2)
Cryogenics is the study of very low temperatures or the production of the same, and is often confused with cryobiology, the study of the effect of low temperatures on organisms, or the study of cryopreservation. Likewise, cryonics is the nascent study of the cryopreservation of the human body. Unlike cryogenics, cryonics is not an established science and is viewed with skepticism by most sc
Re:Stirling Refrigerators (Score:2)
Um... yeah. I'm gonna take advice from YOU? I think I'll stick with my air-cooled setup. It's only running at a 97% overclock, but it does the trick.
Amateurs.
Re:Stirling Refrigerators (Score:2)
I think you hit the wrong reply button there.
Re:Stirling Refrigerators (Score:3, Interesting)
That was a quote from the article, not a reply to your post on cryrogenics. I just wanted to stick my 2c in at the top where ppl actually read it.
Re:Stirling Refrigerators (Score:4, Funny)
It's not that I want to spend $1500 Canadian on my next computer case [zalman.co.kr], but I'm going to seriously consider it. Just imagine, no fans at all to make my room noisy, and if there's a nuclear attack, I can hide behind it for safety!
Re:Stirling Refrigerators (Score:2)
You didn't read the article, did you? Stirling Coolers (and I assume Pulse Tube Coolers) make very little noise due to the need for minimal friction. No air is actually moved by the engine (although there is a Helium working fluid sealed inside the engine) so there's no blowing noise, either. The largest concern is vibration, but such vibrat
Re:Remember, it's just a heat pump... (Score:3, Insightful)
Not so. A heat pipe is passive because it merely equalizes the temperature. A Stirling engine can continue pumping heat far below the ambient temperature. As I said, right into cryogenics range.
The overall cooling effect is still limited by the heat transfer ability of the hot side, which is always some kind of radiator.
'Tis true. But the hot side can easily be enhanced with fancie
Re:Stirling Refrigerators (Score:2)
And it works under linux, yes.
That and a passive cooled GPU, all in a good case, and you have horsepower, low noise, energy savings for a lot less than 1500$.
Water cooling (Score:2)
And that's where you're dead wrong. The annoying high pitched whine from the ancient Radeon9700 was finally strangled by replacing CPU and GPU fans by a watercooling kit. Really big drop in fan noise. In fact the power supply fan came to completely dominate the PC hum, water pump or that 12cm radiator fan are undetectable.
I quess I should
Filtration optional??? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Filtration optional??? (Score:3, Insightful)
Um...no. Here's the context of my previous quote...from TFA: It's clear the author was referring to long-term fan filtration here, not filtration during the construction phase of the case mod.
Maybe... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Maybe... (Score:2)
Re:Maybe... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Maybe... (Score:2)
Stock Case fans are remarkably weak too, even if the case is well designed it's not unusual for the airflow to just be insufficent, especially if it's an OEM case and the user has added just about any hardware. HDDs are the worst too, because they are among the most thermally sensitive pieces of equipment in
Re:Maybe... (Score:1)
Re:Maybe... (Score:5, Informative)
But I put it into a cheap ($50) Cooler Master Centurion case with an 80mm front fan and a 120mm rear fan.
CPU runs at 29c idle, 36c max
Case runs at 33c idle, 39c max
GPU runs at 60c idle, 65c max (those buggers run hot!)
The point is that you don't need anything particularly fancy to keep a decent spec system cool. Just do a little homework. The Cooler Master case was excellent value.
Re:Maybe... (Score:5, Funny)
Amen to GPUs being damn hot. I once made the mistake of doubting the stick-on thermometer I applied to my highly overclocked ATI 9600XT, and I got a nasty, nasty burn for my trouble.
On the other hand, having the ATI logo branded into your right index finger is a social accomplishment at certain parties.
Re:Maybe... (Score:2)
I find this especially impressive because I don't have air cond
Coolermaster CM/Stacker (Score:2)
The CrossFlow is really nice and quiet anyway.
Re:Coolermaster CM/Stacker (Score:2)
Re:Coolermaster CM/Stacker (Score:2)
Seriously, I've read some reviews and most think the crossflow fan doesn't really help cool that much in ATX configs, but does in BTX. In ATX it might just be adding noise. I didn't buy that option for mine, so I'd be interested to know if you shut off that fan, do your cpu/motherboard temps go up?
I did buy two more of the 4/3 blocks with the 120mm fans for up front. Three 120mm fans up front really move some ai
Re:Coolermaster CM/Stacker (Score:2)
And yeah, having 3 120mm fans really do m
Re:Coolermaster CM/Stacker (Score:2)
Yes, with the 3 120mm's up front I saw no need for the crossflow. My board and CPU run plenty cool. There is essentially a full wall of air moving through the case.
Hehe...some even say it's big enough to ride if you wanted.
Did you put the wheels on yours? You can! ;)
Re:Maybe... (Score:2)
I have seen my AMD Athlon64 3200+ CPU go up to 154 degrees(F) under stress mode (cpuburn, gaming, etc.). Motherboard temperature is about 112 degrees. Yes, this is with a lot of fans blowing with many fans including a Thermaltake A1838 (Silent Boost K8).
Re:Maybe... (Score:2)
Re:Maybe... (Score:3, Insightful)
That's why. Unless you're pointing a box fan straight at the motherboard, put the bloody side panel back on.
This sounds like an article that may help me... (Score:1)
Re:This sounds like an article that may help me... (Score:2)
Re:This sounds like an article that may help me... (Score:2)
How to Keep Your Computer Cool (Score:5, Funny)
Oh, you meant the other kind of cool. Nevermind.
Re:How to Keep Your Computer Cool (Score:1, Insightful)
I wouldn't say parent is flamebait or a troll. I would say it's misinformed. Alas, no mod points for that.
Re:How to Keep Your Computer Cool (Score:2)
http://users.pandora.be/PrittyFlemishPages/linux/ a spire1800_3.html [pandora.be]
Basically linux and the intel dsdt compiler (dsdt being a part of the acpi spec) follow the intel specifications, whereas the microsoft compiler (and the wind
Re:How to Keep Your Computer Cool (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:How to Keep Your Computer Cool (Score:2)
If it's as fast as Windows, then this hints on Linux being more efficient. If on the other hand Linux is slower then you have a bottleneck in some other place (e.g. hard disk) and the CPU isn't fully utilized.
Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (Score:1)
Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (Score:1)
Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (Score:1)
Placement and blade direction are key. Ideally you want to create an equal amount of cool air coming in as there is to hot air being blown out.
Not news (Score:3, Interesting)
Why is it six pages? Why, of course, so that the GIGANTIC ads are displayed that many times. Take a look at the URL pointed to by the link that is the author's name... no surprise
Problematic approach (Score:2)
really? wow! (Score:5, Funny)
I should blow cool air into my computer and draw hot air out of it? Are you sure? There must be some other way!
There's 5 minutes I'll never see again.
adopting an efficient airflow strategy? (Score:2, Funny)
They seem to have not gotten the weasel terms [slashdot.org] memo.
Environmetal Factors (Score:1, Insightful)
How to Keep Your Computer Cool? (Score:4, Funny)
Now that is cool...
Re:How to Keep Your Computer Cool? (Score:2)
Infinite supply of pOrn, you bet!
Re:How to Keep Your Computer Cool? (Score:2)
Insesnitive CLod! (Score:1)
great advice (Score:2)
Jesus, am i getting smarter or are these articles getting stupider? I think if you need that kind
Even more super keen advice for fen (Score:1)
They also are measured in Watts for power consumption.
More Watts is better, provided you don't cover the intake with paper, thick dust, or plastic shrinkwrap from all those DVDs you ripped.
Keep your fans clean - and powerful.
While we all place our boxen on the floor, it's amazing how much less dust you get if you put them at least four inches above rug/floor level - I use an old table that has slats about four inch
Re:great advice (Score:2)
The Air must Flow (Score:4, Funny)
If the Air does not Flow, bitTorrents will be impacted.
The Air must Flow!
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oh, and besides, those dust bunnies can get quite unruly at times, rabid almost, vorpal in their natures, if you will.
Re:The Air must Flow (Score:2)
So that's what the front looks like.. (Score:1)
I have a friend who works for Intel (Score:2, Interesting)
I told him I was a little concerned with my p4 running around 60C and hee tells me that when they test out the chips, they test them at like 100C.
Im not suggesting to run your CPU at 100C, but I don't think 60-70 is a problem.
There is, however, a segment of modders who will spend tons of money because they heard that brand x of thermal grease will lower the CPU temp
Re:I have a friend who works for Letni (Score:2)
Thermal grease is something else entirely. It's not "grease", it's a kind of heat-conducting paste. But you knew that already, right?
Re:I have a friend who works for Letni (Score:2)
By the way: You can leave butter out on
Decent temperatures (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Decent temperatures (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Decent temperatures (Score:2, Interesting)
What's always troubled me... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:What's always troubled me... (Score:2)
the one that you want to see, or the one that will motivate you to perhaps take better care of your computer (eg, better fans, lowering load, increasing airflow, etc)?
me, id believe the 70c number, especially with SFF boxen.
Re:What's always troubled me... (Score:2)
If I was you I would be concerned about the CPU running at 70 degrees, though if 70 degrees is the highest you've ever seen then you might be OK.
Making fans cat-proof (Score:3, Interesting)
For me, one of the most important aspects of the design is making it so that the two cats in our house cannot block the fans, who for some reason love to lay up against the fans if they are accessible (such as where there are two fans on the side) or otherwise interfere or they can push other things off the rack to make them accessible.
They have been the cause of much hardware failure if there is any way they can stretch or squeeze into an opening that has a fan, often after I believed that the configuration now was catproof after reacting to a previous incident.
Re:Making fans cat-proof (Score:2)
Or, more temporary, a bed of nails screwed to the rack next to the fans?
(I have several myself, the cyanide is a joke. Laugh.)
1U cooling (Score:3, Interesting)
It works completely fine with the top of the case off, but I'm probably missing some info someone more experienced would know. Of course, it may be either a design issue with the case or maybe the AXP just runs too hot for something like a 1U. Does anyone here have some tips for cooling systems like this? If necessary, I can provide details when I get home.
Re:1U cooling (Score:2)
Right now, I've got 6 rack mount ibm servers with p4s in them and haven't had any cooling proble
1U cooling is a hard problem. (Score:3, Informative)
Motherboard considerations: The chip socket should be as recessed as possible considering the board standoffs, no large capacitors, as many right-angled cable connectors as possible, etc.
Also, the chip sockets have to be oriented so they are not obstructed by board components (such as filled RAM slots).
The heatsink has to be full of fins oriented front-to-back. Then you need to install an assload of 60mm fans, and some pla
Ok so now my computer is cool. How about the room? (Score:2)
Re:Ok so now my computer is cool. How about the ro (Score:2)
gay article (Score:2)
In other words, yet another article spammer...
Tom
That article couldn't come at a better time. (Score:2)
It's running really hot and I need to find a way to cool it.
Fans and dust (Score:2)
Perhaps something akin to a dust-collector and a fan to such the dust *away* from the other components (a-la-vaccuum).
One word: Galaxy Fan. err... (Score:3, Interesting)
I get temps between 100 and 120 fahrenheit, depending on whether I'm playing a 3D accelerated game or not.
Recently, due to a very dusty nightmare (I spend hours cleaning the dust out) I now have an air-conditioner filter duct taped to the front of the galaxy fan. I change it every few months.
Re:One word: Galaxy Fan. err... (Score:2)
The CPU is Cool, What about my ROOM?! (Score:2)
Re:The CPU is Cool, What about my ROOM?! (Score:2, Informative)
Two things:
1. Open your window - if you need a screen on it, then get one.
2. Mount your PC so it's in the shade, with the exhaust going towards the window and the air intake coming from the shade.
3. Buy a box fan for your window, or put one so it pushes the hot air out.
4. Stop painting yo
Re:The CPU is Cool, What about my ROOM?! (Score:2)
Something I am experimenting with is putting air filter material on all of the air ducts except the one in the 'office' room. I figure if that room is the path of least resistance, it will get more of the cool air.
Most definitely my next round of computer upgrades will be concentrating on getting equ
Re:The CPU is Cool, What about my ROOM?! (Score:2)
Who needs extermal cooling (Score:2)
Funny this comes up today... (Score:2)
Before I could exit the game the alarm chirp had gone from beeping slowly to screaming at me, and I was presented with a zone2 temp of almost 180F, and 3 fan speed alarms. (30f above alarm status.. in 3 minutes)
Upon opening the case, there was no mystery as to why.
Our water heater gained "pining for the fjords" status last week, and being that it is right behind me, the carpet in here needed replacing after the new water he
Big Blue Chillin' With Water (Score:2)
You guys do all that!? (Score:2)
My GPU heat problems. (Score:2)
Are you cool? (Score:2)
After the PC has been running for a few hours, open the case and touch your IDE hard drives. They should be cool to the touch. If they're warm (not hot, just warm) then your mad case modding skills are uncool. Also your drive will have an abbreviated lifespan, but why let that detail bother you?
It takes very little to keep a modern IDE hard drive cool. Just blow air at it. They only run warm if the air around them is stagnant. Stagnant air acts as an insulator, causing what litt
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot (Score:4, Funny)
Seriously, WTF dude? It takes 2 pages to describe where you should mount your fan? We need another how-to on how to cut a fuckin hole in your case? "Have some fans in the front and some more in the back"... well, THERE'S a fuckin gem! Christ, I never would have thought of that!! I thought I should go out and buy 20 fuckin 200mm fans and duct-tape them all in a GIANT FUCKIN STACK right over my CPU, creating a giant VORTEX OF DOOM sticking out the side of my case, and THEN I would vent that GIANT VORTEX OF DOOM back INTO the front of my case, to make sure I made appropriate use of my airflow, and THEN to make sure I didn't have any leaks I'd duct-tape EVERY FUCKIN HOLE in my case shut, including those wussy holes on the back, they're not for anything, right? And THEN, when I have my GIANT VORTEX OF DOOM running at FULL BLAST, with my tower jitterbugging off the edge of my desk due to the MASSIVE VIBRATIONS, and my cats are running for their lives lest they be SUCKED IN to the one dime-sized hole I left open on the front of my case (for my wires to run for my most awesome LCD panel dude!), and THEN, I would have the GREATEST COOLING RIG EVAR!!!! Mwahahaha!!!
But now, thanks to this in-depth, insightful article, I now know that, if I want to cool my case, I have to put FUCKING FANS ON MY CASE... and if I want a fan where there isn't a hole, I can either CHANGE MY FUCKING MIND, or CUT A FUCKING HOLE.
HOLY SHIT DUDE, I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT.
Thanks you Slashdot. I feel my intelligence being leeched out by the alien overlord editors as we speak. Your grand plan for DUMBING DOWN THE FUCKING WORLD is working great. Good job. I am a l33t h4ck3r now. Feer me, for I know the power of the FAN!!!
Please let me know when I can cast my vote for Kodos. Anything that queer slimy bastard can do to stop this story from being duped next week will make me very very happy.
I am about to cut a hole (Score:2)
I keep my computer cool... (Score:2)
Front fan (Score:2)
There's enough holes and slits everywhere to get fresh air into the case. Don't think you're improving airflow (perhaps yes) and therefore heat reduction (certainly not) with a front fan blowing into the case. It also gets much more dust into your case BTW. It would work in a relatively sterile room that is cooled itself (a server ro
Re:Better than any number of fans... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Better than any number of fans... (Score:5, Informative)
That may not be as good of an idea as you think. Cases todays are designed like wind-tunnels with the air moving from the front to the back. As the air passes over areas, it draws away the heat and is exhausted out the back.
When the case is off the PC, the wind tunnel effect is lost and most of the air is left standing. As a result, your ability to cool your system is actually reduced. This can lead to overheating and ultimately, failure.
If you value your computer, you'll get a nice large case with properly installed fans.
Re:Better than any number of fans... (Score:1)
Re:Better than any number of fans... (Score:3, Interesting)
If that's happening, I'd start by checking the case design. Many users have very dense cases with large bundles of wires inside. All these wires can obstruct the airflow and prevent the system from properly cooling. This is one of the reasons why I always purchase as large of a case as I possibly can. Full size towers are pretty hard to come by these da
Re:Better than any number of fans... (Score:2)
Re:Better than any number of fans... (Score:2, Funny)
In other words, never remove Windows from your computer.
er, wait. What site is this again?
Re:Better than any number of fans... (Score:2)
Like this [apple.com]
Re:Better than any number of fans... (Score:2)
This [coolermaster.com] is a well cooled case.
Re:Cool your harddrives across the bottom!!! (Score:2)
Re:What about laptops? (Score:2)
Ever wonder why almost every vendor calls them "notebooks" these days and not "laptops"?
Even many of the portables with "M"-class processors have fans on the underside. They are designed to get noticably warmer than desktops; unless the thing is crashing or switching itself off, there's probably no need to worry. Just keep the air vents clean of dust, and stick it on a table and enjoy the performance (safe in the knowledge that, if you are male, it's not rendering you infertile). I have a notebook with a 2