Build Your Own Solar Powered Hotspot 144
hode writes "Popular Science has a how-to article up on turning a backpack into a portable, solar-powered Wi-Fi hotspot. Possible uses include providing Wi-Fi access for a road-trip caravan." From the article: "Its secret ingredient: the Junxion Box. Plug a cellular-network card into the book-size open-source-based device, and voil--instant Wi-Fi hotspot, with speeds averaging around 700 kilobits per second. To power the box, I wired it to a 1.2-amp-hour battery and dropped both into the Voltaic Systems backpack, which has a built-in solar charger."
Well... (Score:5, Insightful)
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ffa.gotdns.com
Re:Well... (Score:2)
Huh? Solar panels are waterproof and powered by light. They aren't powered by heat or dryness. Repeat after me: photovoltaic.
Re:Well... (Score:2, Interesting)
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More important is why the hell anyone would go camping with internet access; even I am not enough of a wuss/geek to spoil it that way.
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The light light still gets through the clouds. Have you noticed that on overcast days, you can still see stuff? That's because light is reaching the earth through the clouds. You must have a pretty crappy solar panel if it doesn't work on overcast days. And it only has to power a wireless router! That's no big deal at all.
Also, there is this wonderful technology that stores energy generated by solar cells. They are called batteries, so, you could even use the syst
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Not worth it. (Score:5, Funny)
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I don't get this game.
Re:Not worth it. (Score:1, Redundant)
Oh wait, is this comment a dupe?
Re:Not worth it. (Score:2, Funny)
Are you thinking what I'm thinking?
Only in the U.S. (Re:Not worth it.) (Score:2)
Small Problems... (Score:5, Insightful)
2) EV-DO [nwsource.com] cellular internet service for the internet connection is $80/mo
Maybe it would be better just to deal with being away from the internet when you're camping...
Re:Small Problems... (Score:2, Funny)
Sure it would save some power, but how would I deal the headshot when the enemy comes?
Re:Small Problems... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Small Problems... (Score:2, Funny)
What is this "away from the internet" of which you speak?
4 Watts? (Score:2, Interesting)
I guess I think that you wouldn't need the backpack to provide Wi-Fi to a caravan, as mentioned in TFA, and if you can't charge while hiking....
Re:4 Watts? (Score:2)
And the system is really pricey. What we really need is a dirt-cheap 14-28 watt 48V system -- 14 watts will run anything that can run off PoE. Lots of stuff in the pipeline WRT solar cells that can self-assemble at low
A glimpse of the future in Personal Area Networks (Score:5, Interesting)
Re: A glimpse of the future in Personal Area Netwo (Score:3, Insightful)
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Re: A glimpse of the future in Personal Area Netwo (Score:5, Interesting)
Re: A glimpse of the future in Personal Area Netwo (Score:2, Interesting)
What if the standard for all mobile connected devices (cell phones, pda's w/ wireless, sat. phones etc) was that any unused bandwidth was offered up on public airwaves? Then your other devices could tap into whatever avail. bandwidth was floating around. With
Re: A glimpse of the future in Personal Area Netwo (Score:1)
Sharing is what it's all about. (Score:1, Insightful)
That's not obvious. With all the miles of dark fiber in this country and "all you can eat" cell phone plans, you would hope that per byte charges would be a thing of the past. Indeed, only one of Verizon's plans are pay as you go [verizonwireless.com], and Verizon sucks life. So, with a flat fee, what's the point of not letting other people use your bandwith? So
Whew... (Score:4, Funny)
Can pay someone to run back and forth to my computer for that much money.
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Finally! (Score:5, Funny)
I can play counter-stike when camping! No more annoying so-called "fresh air" needed.
Re:Finally! (Score:4, Funny)
It's a legitimate tactic! (Score:2)
BTW, you forgot the obligatory cs_office screenshot [blogger.com]. (With the rest of the motivational poster parodies here [blogspot.com]
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Solar powered hotspot, eh? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Solar powered hotspot, eh? (Score:1)
Re:Solar powered hotspot, eh? (Score:3, Funny)
Providers (Score:5, Interesting)
One of the problems is that 1xEVDO does not contribute to the 3G convergence and really is a fork of a protocol. While 1xRTT is there for CDMA2000, GPRS and EDGE work on GSM-based networks. 1xEVDO seems like a very minor standard in terms of adoption, and its only benefit is lower capital needs for deployment. However, it does not really scale long-term.
To me personally, it seems 1xRTT and EDGE will eventually prevail.
Thump (Score:4, Interesting)
EDGE is really just 4x GPRS, or "2.5G"
The upgrade path to 3G for GSM carriers is to UTMS/WCDMA.
For CDMA, the 1xRTT upgrade path is to CDMA2000 EV-DO.
Between the two, EVDO can fall back to 1xRTT IS95 seamlessly. UTMS can't, although it has a speed advantage.
1xRTT and EDGE are deployed everywhere. It's EVDO and UTMS that one should be looking for.
Whats amusing:Watching Nextel trying UTMS iDEN hybrid. Ping Reply: Please wait while the Nextel IP Address is found.
Scaleability (as far as speed) is only a minor factor in choosing an upgrade path. Carriers care about Capacity, netowrk reliability and footprint. For that, 1xRTT(IS95) and EVDO lay the smack on GPRS/EDGE/UTMS.
build your own crime hotspot (Score:5, Funny)
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Bridge device (Score:2)
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It is. We looked at one when looking to build the same thing (1xRTT to ethernet router in our case) and just ended up buying a Soekris box and a Verizon wireless PC card and built a mini-linux distribution based on Debian to put on the system (about 38 meg cramfs image on a compactflash card). Works just fine. I think we spent about $350 on the whole
Hurry!!!Hurry!!! Limited Time Offer!!!! (Score:3, Funny)
WiFi in high traffic areas... (Score:2)
Re:WiFi in high traffic areas... (Score:2)
Use encryption and change the SSID on your wireless router and use the same settings on your wireless card(s) and you should only connect to your own router.
Price not a problem (Score:1, Interesting)
I saw something very similar to this in Las Vegas. They were using a back pack with linux, gps, and 2 evdo to transmit a live feed from an HDTV camcorder. And oh they also had a very fancy looking audio set up. I think the camera guy had to wear a battery belt and there was a fan blowing into the back pack.
They have at least $5000 dollars on 1 camera crew and they at least have two crews.
I went to their website. I didn't know what the website was
Re:Price not a problem (Score:1)
Who do you work for that has such deep pockets? Certainly not my company.
Re:Price not a problem (Score:1)
That's the third time this week I've seen that, what are dollar dollars?
A how to? (Score:4, Funny)
What's next? Popular Science puts together a "How To" on building your own car? "You first get a metal frame, and then attach two axels to it. Then you get an internal combustion engine and mount it on the front. The secret is putting a fuel storage container near the back, connected through a hose to the engine. That will give it a range of hundreds of miles. We also picked up a set of four Goodyear tires and put them on wheels connected to the axel. PROJECT COMPLETED"
Not what I was expecting (Score:4, Informative)
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The board inside it is a Soekris Engineering 486 class [link] [soekris.com], they boot off of a small CF, and the Linux distro the box runs is a very close derivative of LEAF [link] [sourceforge.net]. (Think it's actually a derivative of WISP-Dist[link] [sourceforge.net], which was sprung from and then rolled back into the LEAF project.)
They wrote the pretty front end and provide pretty good support for them.
If you're willing to support it yourself, go buy a $200 Soekris machine and rig one up.
Too Bad... (Score:3, Insightful)
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Btw, this has been on hackaday [hackaday.com] for almost a week now.
if that makes you want to buy one, consider this.. (Score:2)
Of course, I only advocate thinking about it and smiling -- absolutely not trying it to see if you can provoke a response.
Cheaper alternative: StompBox (Score:4, Informative)
Even cheaper alternatives. (Score:2)
The solar cells are nifty but there are cheaper and more rugged ways to generate power. If you are mountian biking, use a cheap headlight generator set. Your body can put out a good 250 watts, almost 10 times the power needs of a good low power laptop.
Ad Hoc? (Score:2)
Um, have they never heard of ad hoc networks? Plug in the EV-DO card into your PowerBook, open System Preferences, select the Sharing control panel, click the internet tab, and select "Share you Connection from to computers using ". Same idea, different steps on Windows.
Road caravan and LAN.. good idea??? (Score:1)
I live in Seattle, you insensitive clod! (Score:2)
And I thought it was impressive... (Score:3, Funny)
Totally Wireless (Score:3, Insightful)
Now you've got a rural area with a truly wireless network. It's easy to maintain the mesh. And these apps are cheap enough that a community can afford to do it, without a big cost per person.
Re:Totally Wireless (Score:3, Informative)
now, substitute the tree with a tethered hydrogen filled mylar balloon.... you'd just have to check for vine growth on the tether every so often.
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A kite shop in Twilight Beach - just the thing to power your sand-ship at 80 clicks past the bell-trees on the road.
OK, so it's SF from Terry Dowling, but solar fabrics exist and the possibility is there to stick solar materials on a variety of conducting surfaces by chemical vapour deposition, and on a variety of other things that can handle a bit of heat by the sol-gel process (apply gel to substrate then bake in a moderate oven!).
A thin coating (micr
Re:Totally Wireless (Score:2)
only 3 hours? (Score:2, Interesting)
The junxion box though is very sweet. I set one up in my Boss's car recently. It's very slick and easy to setup, even though it's a little expensive. The other problem we had was the slot where th
Cheaper solution (Score:5, Informative)
$189 - Gum Stix [gumstix.com] Connex 400xm-bt, a small xscale system running embedded linux
$25 - CFstix, an expansion board for the above system allowing connection of Compact flash cards
$70 - Netgear MA701 802.11b Wireless Compact Flash Adapter
Subtotal: $284
That ought to be a good replacement for the junxion system in this case, for 40% of the cost.
As for the solar power, you might want to use the same Voltaic Systems [voltaicsystems.com] bag they used in the article, but you could deck out a bag you already have with solar panels and such and it might be a little cheaper. Hell, if you wanted you could put their solar panels and batteries in your bag, they sell them seperately!
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Well, there is the issue of portability. Three laptops (or did you mean three backpacks) are a lot heavier (or more awkward) than one, and there's likely no room for more solar panels on a single backpack.
And if your laptop and your wifi card are anything like mine, they won't both fit in your laptop at the same time. So that means using USB probably, and means one more thing hanging off your laptop.
I'm not sure how practical this idea is in the first place. I guess for someone who lives in the city an
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Build Your Own Solar Powered Hotspot... (Score:2, Funny)
Seems like an ad plant (Score:2)
Suspicious Designs... (Score:2)
alpha-test (Score:2)
batteries are cool (Score:2)
The idea behind PV cells on a backpack is to store the energy in a battery, not to use it all the time. It would be nice if you could get that kind of power out of something the size of your back, but there's hardly enough sunlight hitting your back for that.
This is very clunky and expensive looking.
Expensive? Yes. Clunky? No. The whole setup looks
Re:alpha-test (Score:1)
So... (Score:3, Interesting)
And the obivous question is (Score:1, Insightful)
And use as a broadband link... (Score:1)
Less than $100, hacked Linksys WRT54GS and Linux (Score:2, Informative)
Then on the other end, you plug in a normal router, just pretend that the WRT54GS is a cable modem (it supplies the internet, DHCP and all that on it's ethernet ports).
Everyone logs into the normal
Uplink? (Score:1)
uhhh, we've got a possible bomb situation? (Score:1)
Who has cell signal on a road trip? (Score:2)
90% of our Aussie roads have no cell signal at all. If you're in a town, there might be a signal, maybe, but there will be an internet cafe too. As soon as you're a few km out of town - no signal and if you're in the outback and you've got a cell signal - you're not really in the outback.
As for the solar powered thing, I think it might be much cheaper (though perhaps not as ecofriendly) to get a converter for the car cigarette lighter and plug into that.
And I already have a sol
FTA: "Wi-Fi is useless without a hotspot." (Score:2)
I've thought that even today's existing WLAN gear can be used in a decentralized way, and I mainly see Managed mode networks as a means of corporate profit (selling an access point even when you could just connect computers directly via WLAN) and centralized control.
These are possibly stupid questions, as I don't have much experience
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Well, Irene Cara was pretty attractive in her day.
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*rolls eyes*
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Re:Cyborg (Score:4, Funny)
"Is that a wifi hotspot in your pants, or are you just happy to see me?"
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It's just a couple points. No damage is going to be done by an occasional downmod if the poster generally contributes to discussions in a positive way. If someone is getting modded down so often for making redundant posts that it puts them in danger of being banned, then perhaps they need to stop posting things