Sun Announces Its First Laptop 365
boarder8925 writes "Enterprise computer maker Sun Microsystems announced its first-ever laptop yesterday, saying the machine was designed to let engineers and scientists perform demanding computer tasks away from their desks. Sun, which has seen sales fall for the last four years, said that it was also lowering prices for some of its computers by up to 40 percent."
Not the first SPARC laptop though (Score:5, Informative)
we have been using sun laptops (Score:4, Informative)
plus they run about $17,000 they aren't cheap. i don't know where this article is coming from at all.
Hello, welcome to yesterday (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Not the first SPARC laptop though (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.tadpolecomputer.com/html/products/mobi
No prices listed, but they have SPARC laptops!
Re:Hello, welcome to yesterday (Score:4, Informative)
There have been Sparc laptops for a long time. They were never build by Sun, though. And they were also hideously expensive, i.e. in the $20,000 range. This is Sun's first foray into this highly dubious market segment.
Specifications (Score:5, Informative)
UltraSPARC IIi (550 MHz or 650 MHz)
UltraSPARC IIIi (1.28 GHz)
Up to:
2 GB SDRAM
Either
80-GB IDE HD
73-GB UltraSCSI HD
802.11
Solaris 10
JDE
Re:$3,400 (Score:2, Informative)
That's not correct. The $3,400 laptop is Sparc. The $895 workstation is AMD. From TFA:
"The Ultra 3 Mobile Workstation will list at $3,400 and is equipped with Sun's Ultrasparc processor, the Solaris 10 operating system, 512 megabytes of memory, a 40 gigabyte hard drive and WiFi connectivity."
You mean, something like this? (Score:3, Informative)
Published Monday 27th June 2005 14:42 GMT
Sun Microsystems has polished off its cheapest and likely most attractive Opteron-based workstation to date.
The hardware maker today introduced the world to the Ultra 20 a one-way (one socket) box that starts at $895. That price has to please a lot of Sun customers who complained when the much higher-end W2100z amd W1100z workstations arrived, costing thousands of dollars. With the Ultra 20, Sun is really delivering some of the price/performance benefits associated with x86 chips to the developer crowd.
Sun has long been a major player in the workstation market, pumping out Solaris on SPARC boxes for engineers, developers and designers. The rise, however, of Intel Xeon's processor ate into a huge chunk of Sun's workstation share. Sun's line of Opteron-based systems is its response to this loss, and the Ultra 20 is the first box in this line aimed square at developers.
Sun unveiled the system at its Java One conference which starts today in San Francisco.
"This system is meant to reach a much broader audience," said John Fowler, Sun's vice president in charge of the x86 systems. "Java One is the world's biggest developer conference, so it made sense to show it off there."
While you can buy the Ultra 20 flat out just like any another bit of hardware, Sun also has a much weirder pricing option. Customers can pay $30 per month over three years ($1,080) and get the system, Solaris 10, Java Studio Enterprise 7, Java Studio Creator and support. This package full of Java tools is meant for the developer crowd.
Initially, the Ultra 20 will ship with a single-core version - 1.8GHz to 2.6GHz - of AMD's Opteron. As El Reg reported last week, AMD will make a dual-core version of this 100 Series chip available in the third quarter. (AMD confirmed the move to customers in a note issued Friday.)
The Ultra 20 also ships with up to 4GB of memory, up to 2 SATA drives (80GB or 250GB), six USB 2.0 ports and two IEEE 1394a ports. The box will run Solaris x86, Red Hat and SuSE Linux 32-bit and 64-bit and Windows XP Pro 32-bit and 64-bit.
Sun continues to see a sharp rise in it Opteron system sales. The company is currently battling with HP for the top spot among all Opteron server sellers.
Sun has enjoyed particular success in Germany where it holds 41 per cent of the Opteron server market versus 23 per cent for HP, according to the first quarter figures from Gartner.
You can see the Ultra 20 in all its glory available here.
Along with the Ultra 20, Sun also pointed to the new Ultra 3 Mobile Workstation, which runs on its UltraSPARC chip and starts at $3,400. This system looks like a rebranded version of a Tadpole laptop. ®
http://www.sun.com/desktop/workstation/ultra20/re
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06/27/sun_ultra
What about Voyager? not a laptop exactly, but... (Score:3, Informative)
Don't forget the New Ultra 20 (Score:5, Informative)
Published Monday 27th June 2005 14:42 GMT
Sun Microsystems has polished off its cheapest and likely most attractive Opteron-based workstation to date.
The hardware maker today introduced the world to the Ultra 20 a one-way (one socket) box that starts at $895. That price has to please a lot of Sun customers who complained when the much higher-end W2100z amd W1100z workstations arrived, costing thousands of dollars. With the Ultra 20, Sun is really delivering some of the price/performance benefits associated with x86 chips to the developer crowd.
Sun has long been a major player in the workstation market, pumping out Solaris on SPARC boxes for engineers, developers and designers. The rise, however, of Intel Xeon's processor ate into a huge chunk of Sun's workstation share. Sun's line of Opteron-based systems is its response to this loss, and the Ultra 20 is the first box in this line aimed square at developers.
Sun unveiled the system at its Java One conference which starts today in San Francisco.
"This system is meant to reach a much broader audience," said John Fowler, Sun's vice president in charge of the x86 systems. "Java One is the world's biggest developer conference, so it made sense to show it off there."
While you can buy the Ultra 20 flat out just like any another bit of hardware, Sun also has a much weirder pricing option. Customers can pay $30 per month over three years ($1,080) and get the system, Solaris 10, Java Studio Enterprise 7, Java Studio Creator and support. This package full of Java tools is meant for the developer crowd.
Initially, the Ultra 20 will ship with a single-core version - 1.8GHz to 2.6GHz - of AMD's Opteron. As El Reg reported last week, AMD will make a dual-core version of this 100 Series chip available in the third quarter. (AMD confirmed the move to customers in a note issued Friday.)
The Ultra 20 also ships with up to 4GB of memory, up to 2 SATA drives (80GB or 250GB), six USB 2.0 ports and two IEEE 1394a ports. The box will run Solaris x86, Red Hat and SuSE Linux 32-bit and 64-bit and Windows XP Pro 32-bit and 64-bit.
Sun continues to see a sharp rise in it Opteron system sales. The company is currently battling with HP for the top spot among all Opteron server sellers.
Sun has enjoyed particular success in Germany where it holds 41 per cent of the Opteron server market versus 23 per cent for HP, according to the first quarter figures from Gartner.
You can see the Ultra 20 in all its glory available here.
Along with the Ultra 20, Sun also pointed to the new Ultra 3 Mobile Workstation, which runs on its UltraSPARC chip and starts at $3,400. This system looks like a rebranded version of a Tadpole laptop. ®
http://www.sun.com/desktop/workstation/ultra20/re
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06/27/sun_ultra
Link to the actual product site (Score:5, Informative)
These are just rebranded Tadpole and Naturetech! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:These are just rebranded Tadpole and Naturetech (Score:3, Informative)
Except these aren't built by Sun, either (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.sun.com/desktop/workstation/ultra3/ [sun.com]
Pictures and specs... (Score:1, Informative)
http://www.sun.com/desktop/workstation/ultra3/ind
Re:we have been using sun laptops (Score:5, Informative)
It's coming from Sun announcing [sun.com] the Sun Ultra 3 Mobile Workstation [sun.com], although the picture on that page suggests that perhaps Sun are just re-branding Tadpole and Naturetech SPARC laptops. (The announcement mainly talks about a new x86 workstation, but it also mentions the SPARC laptops.)
The article didn't say "first SPARC laptop", it said "Sun announces its first laptop", i.e. the first one that Sun is selling as a Sun, rather than somebody else selling it as a SPARC-compatible.
The Sun announcement clearly says "Entry-level pricing for the Sun Ultra 3 Mobile Workstation begins at $3,400 (USD)." Perhaps, as they've "been out for a long time", your workplace bought SPARC workstations when they were a lot more expensive.
Well technically... (Score:5, Informative)
Back before the sparc, and after the 68020 sun3, Sun had some i386 machines that you could call wintel. (though nobody used Windows then, and I'm not sure if Dos would run). They also made the sun3x in those days, both of which didn't sell many. (In part because the sparc soon came out, and in those days the sparc killed the 80386.
Re:Hello, welcome to yesterday (Score:3, Informative)
I believe the closest thing sun came to a laptop before now was the voyager luggable.
Re:Not the first SPARC laptop though (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Not the first SPARC laptop though (Score:3, Informative)
And then theres the SPARCstation Voyager, actually made by Sun. If you can call it a 'laptop'. It can be battery powered and has an LCD screen.
Might be a bit incomfortable on the lap though...
Todayear. (Score:4, Informative)
The info page shows a Tadpole [tadpolecomputer.com] and a Naturetech [naturetechws.com] notebook.
So these still seem to be SPARC notebooks.
Tadpole makes a Dual CPU SPARC [tadpolecomputer.com] notebook, BTW
Re:Not the first SPARC laptop though (Score:3, Informative)
Um, wait they are Tadpoles. (Score:2, Informative)
and Naturetechs... Sun is just reselling the two laptops. Not even a rebadging --weak.
Re:I'm salivating over their Ultra 20 workstation (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Partnering with Sun? (Score:5, Informative)
Your not going to get any more reliability out of a Sun server than you would get with an equivalent, yet less expensive, x86 based server.
Oh, and to get back on topic, why would someone want a dog-slow Sparc for a laptop? Is there really any software out there that _only_ runs on Sparc Solaris and not x86 Solaris or Linux? Your going to get far more performance and a much better price out of an x86 laptop than a Sparc based one. Just RTFA! The Sparc laptop is $3,400! The specs on it suck. 512MB and 40GB? For $3,400 for a laptop, I better be getting some state-of-the-art hardware and not some dog-slow sparc with poor specs. ; )
Re:Partnering with Sun? (Score:5, Informative)
As a former Sun Systems Support Engineer (SSE, basically onsite hardware/OS support), I can probably answer this for you.
First of all, you're right about the price. Sun servers, especially the UltraSparc line of servers tend to be much more pricey than your average x86 server vendor. They also tend to be relatively slow in CPU-speed, but make up for this in spades with I/O throughput and memory bandwidth. You see, Sun was one of the first server vendors to have the full 64-bit support necessary for large enterprise databases that banks, telcos and other high-end OLTP outfits require. For the first time you could run an Oracle instance on a single server with up to 106 CPUs and 512GB (that's half a terabyte) of physical memory. Of course there are only limited market segments that need this technology, but during the
Now that the reality of the IT market has been back in effect, Sun has realized it can't keep up with Intel and AMD on the CPU speed front, so Sun has decided to focus on its great operating system and Unix that can scale so well and perform on such a large number of processors, and hopefully sell some nice AMD Opteron servers to run their great, full-featured Unix OS on.
One of the benefits that Sun can offer is true enterprise, 24/7, international on-site and telephone support. If you have an investment bank that's located in 10 countries worldwide, at stock exchanges in London, NY, Singapore, etc., and you want a single 1-800 number to call for a 2-hour onsite response, 2 hour fix time repair on your Oracle database cluster, Sun is a great choice. They are truly on the level of IBM Global Services and only a couple others when it comes to knowledgeable onsite support.
Their newer AMD Opteron server offerings are starting to be much more competitively priced than HP or Dell in the x86 arena. You also have the advantage of natively running either Solaris 10 x86-64 or Linux on the same hardware, with enterprise level onsite support.
Whether Sun can turn themselves around in the market or not is one question, but they provide so many services to government agencies and fortune 500 corporations at the highest levels that their continued survival (in however small a role that might be) in the computer industry is pretty much guaranteed. When their systems are used on a lot of military installations, do you really think the US government would let them go out of business or sell off their assets to a foreign corporation?
Anyway, Sun is a solid choice and reliable server provider, with a true enterprise level support channel. I no longer work there, but I know enough people that do to know you can't really go wrong recommending them.
Re:Keyboards (Score:2, Informative)
From looking at the product photos on Sun's website, it appears that the 15" model has a standard laptop keyboard and the 17" model has a customized keyboard.
Re:Partnering with Sun? (Score:5, Informative)
But how about a Sun opeteron box?= SunStore&cmdViewProduct_CP&catid=111394 [sun.com]
A ppleStore.woa/70902/wo/Oo1dIs4kylfo25YF33W1KKyrgua /0.0.11.1.0.6.15.0.3.1.3.0.3.1.6.1.1.0 [apple.com]
Sun v20z: 2x Opteron 248, 2GB Ram, 1x73GB disk, $3000: http://store.sun.com/CMTemplate/CEServlet?process
G5 Xserve: 2x G5 2.3Ghz, 1GB Ram, 1x 80GB disk, $4000: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/
RDI is another company that (used to?) make them (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Partnering with Sun? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Probably an Acer Ferrari (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Get yours now! (Score:2, Informative)
Tadpole SparcLE [tadpolecomputer.com] has been out an age.
These whacky kids today... (Score:4, Informative)
First ever!!!?? Sheesh.
Re:Partnering with Sun? (Score:5, Informative)
The bank I work for started their Linux initiative, so we bought in boxes from Dell, HP and Sun to trial Linux on. 2 Dell 2850's, 3 HP DL-380's and 3 Sun Fire V65x's.
Firstly, the sun's don't ship with hardware RAID by default. As soon as you add this, they start to look more expensive than all of the competition.
Within the first 6 months I had one critical hardware failure PER MACHINE! And even though these machines were under maintenance, Sun considers a motherboard in a V65x to be a user servicable component. So when the board blew, I had to swap out the memory, the disks and the CPUs into another box. This is NOT what I pay maintenance for!
We had no problems at all with the HPs or the Dells.
On the enterprise hardware front, I've had two major failures in the last 2 days. For one of them, sun advise that I leave a terminal connected in the data centre and run down and see what messages are on the screen when it crashes. This is what you pay sun for!
Re:Well technically... (Score:3, Informative)
Think of these things as the precursor to the Macintosh with Intel processor due next year. The CPU may have been Intel but the box was SUN all the way through.
Sun aren't making laptops ... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Poor track record (Score:3, Informative)
I call bullshit. Name me one Sun hardware product that they have dropped support for before the support lifecycle was over? There isn't one. Sun's hardware support is second to none. They guarantee that a box you buy now will continue to be supported up until 5 years after the product is EOLd (end of life). This means that in 2007, when they stop selling whatever Opteron server you're buying from them today (like the V40z or whatever), you'll still get full hardware support until 2012 !!! Name me one beige box vendor that guarantees that. In fact, name me one x86 hardware vendor that does that. I don't think there are any.
Re:These whacky kids today... (Score:2, Informative)
The Sparcbook was made by Tadpole. BTW, these guys are still alive and kicking, check out the Bullfrog, old man!
Re:Partnering with Sun? (Score:2, Informative)
Good analogy, Mercedes went from being #1 in terms of reliability in 1990 to the bottom of list in 2000. In a ten year stretch the company went from releasing cars when the engineer said they are ready to releasing on a deadline and sacrificing reliability.
Add to this the fact they are trying to push more electronic gadgets in their cars, this adds to the common breakdowns in their top model cars.