World's Fastest Inkjet Printer? 355
An anonymous reader writes "Brother Industries has just demonstrated what they say is the world's fastest inkjet printer. The prototype uses a revolutionary new static head array to achieve amazing speeds of around 150 full colour pages per minute."
time-space tradeoff (Score:5, Insightful)
It's a cool idea [can't RTFA cuz of slashdotting] since a lot of home users use inkjet.
Now all they have todo is make ink cartridges that hold more than 9mL of ink... 9mL does ~300 sheets, a 50mL would be more than enough for a home office then....
Tom
Re:time-space tradeoff (Score:4, Interesting)
Large format printers often do this (Score:3, Informative)
Many of them have extra tanks. The encad linked above has 8 500mL tanks, each tank runs $40 - $120 (yup! $0.08 per mL!). The actual printheads are replacable and look very similar to the old classic HP inkjet cartidge filled with foam and a hose on the top where the refill nib is.
The cool thing about these systems are that you can keep an extra tank to automatically switch to when one is dry, or you can switch easily between different inks for different
Re:time-space tradeoff (Score:2)
And maybe a way to prevent the ink drying out forcing you to replace the cartridge after a certain length of time even if you haven't used it. I have a B&W HP LaserJet 1100. I haven't replaced the toner and drum since I bought it Feb 2000 (lightly used obviously). I'm pretty sure I've almost reached the limit on the number of sheets of paper it can print... but that's five years of value. The only thing I ever want to pr
Re:time-space tradeoff (Score:2)
What? How is this in any way relevant to making printers? Or are you really arguing that we can in general do anything arbitrarily fast with a trade-off in another area?
Re:time-space tradeoff (Score:2)
Consider the task of optimal path finding in a graph -- you can do that in O(1) for any journey if you have precomputed the optimal path for all possible pairs of nodes in advance. Of course this costs a lot of space and a lot of preparation time.
Factoring 1024-bit RSA keys? Prepare a table mapping all possible 1024 bit numbers to their factors and use a simple array lookup - O(1).
The problem is that thi
Re:time-space tradeoff (Score:2, Informative)
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Drivers (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Drivers (Score:5, Funny)
Well, if it does, and printing at that speed, we might finally get some use out of the classic error message 'lp0 on fire'...
And yet... (Score:5, Interesting)
...to prove how insanely great the print quality is on this thing, the author of said article provides a very lossy jpeg scan [redferret.net] as evidence. Having said that, if they can get 600x600 at > 100 PPM, I'm all in.
-theGreater.Very bad in a printing accident. (Score:4, Insightful)
In any case, it took her a full two minute to realize her mistake, and another four or five minutes to figure out how to stop the print job. By that time she had printed off about 500 worthless pages.
When it comes to these machines, printing mistakes can be costly and difficult to deal with. It's unfortuante that many of these printers can hold 5000+ pages of paper. While convenient, it is just screaming for disaster!
It can be ev worse in a horrible printing accident (Score:3, Funny)
I quake at the possibilities for buffer overruns....
Re:Very bad in a printing accident. (Score:3, Funny)
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Re:Very bad in a printing accident. (Score:2)
I once went the wrong way and didn't realize it for 20 miles. If my gas tank had only been, say, 23 ounces instead of 23 gallons I would have ran out of gas after about 3 miles, then I might have realized my mistake earlier and not wasted allllllll that gasoline.
They really need to fix t
Re:Very bad in a printing accident. (Score:3, Insightful)
It's called humour/sarcasm. Get it?
Re:Very bad in a printing accident. (Score:2)
Personally, I'm not so sure this Horseless Carriage thing will last very long. They're stinky, they're noisy, dangerous, and a disturbance to the peace. Good Godfearing people have no need to triapse across town, when they can just go to their local General Store.
Re:Very bad in a printing accident. (Score:2)
Yeah, but it's just paper and ink. It's not like you're accidentally engaging in friendly fire [wikipedia.org]...
EricRe:Why I hate paper (Score:2)
Re:Why I hate paper (Score:2)
Old computer parts, on the other hand, are hard to get rid of.
Re:Why I hate paper (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Very bad in a printing accident. (Score:2)
Re:Very bad in a printing accident. (Score:2)
Re:Very bad in a printing accident. (Score:5, Funny)
For sufficiently small values of "disaster."
disaster |di.zast.r| noun
1. a sudden event, such as an accident or a natural catastrophe, that causes great damage or loss of life.
2. Accidentally printing off a bunch of pages.
Re:Very bad in a printing accident. (Score:2)
I know... I missed once and had a 500 page document print out and spool to the very fast network printer before I knew what the f had happened... the cancel button wasn't available for very long... and I'd already gotten up to go for a pee...
I now make a point of removing the print icon from all toolbars I come across if it's next to the
Re:Very bad in a printing accident. (Score:2, Funny)
It seems you are trying to print. Are you sure ?
It seems you want to print a document lenghtier than 10 pages. Are you sure ?
It seems you want to print more that five copies of it. Are you sure ?
I'm going to print 4000 pages now. Is that OK ?
Aren't you just keeping to click on the 'Yes' button ?
Re:Very bad in a printing accident. (Score:2)
Instead of stopping the print job, she should have first stopped the printer, either by turning its power switch off, or pulling the plug. Or, remove the paper tray.
Then, without paper spewing out, she could take her time figuring out how to convince the computer not to resume printing that job when the p
Re:Very bad in a printing accident. (Score:2)
Re:Very bad in a printing accident. (Score:2)
Re:Very bad in a printing accident. (Score:2)
I've always wondered why printers don't seem to come with emergency stops, even if in software. Canceling a print job is pretty useless for making it stop. It needs to be something that stops it immediately. I have used Method One a variety of times and Method Two a few times. Even after that, it can still take 5-10 minutes to convince the printer to not start printing it again from memory when it star
Some printers don't suck (Score:2)
Another good feature would be if printer drivers had a "cost per page" config parameter, so when people asked to print something it would bring up a dialog saying "Printing this 400 page document on the printer EPSON Color Stylus will cost $1200, are you sure?"
Info Sheet (Score:5, Informative)
Non-moving print heads... (Score:4, Interesting)
I've thought for years that a series of heads side by side, with code and logic to read sequentially or simultaneously would drastically improve hard drive performance, while reducing hardware failures.
Almost every time I have a hard drive die it's because of failed heads. Since using UPS's I haven't had a single fried board.
Re:Non-moving print heads... (Score:4, Insightful)
I've thought about this, too. (Score:3, Interesting)
It was only slow because they didn't know what we do now about how to fabricate electronics. They were using clunky wound-core magnetic pickups, which suffer from impedance problems: you can only make a magnetic field of a given size and strength expand and collapse so fast.
With modern fabrication and magneto-resistive heads, it should be possible to make head arrays of (say) 32 tracks, which read 32
Re:I've thought about this, too. (Score:2)
They tested hard drives with 2 seperate servo arms + heads, thinking that if one head goes bad then they park it. The other advantage, was the increased write speed.
In the end however, it was determined that RAID was just as reliable for the same cost and didn't require custom manufacturing.
-Pan
Re:Non-moving print heads... (Score:2)
I'm sure that there are tricks to make it happen. Say, 8 separate arms so that each one contains only 1/8 the number of heads, possibly spacing them out far enough to make it happen. I believe high-end hard drives already have multiple arms.
Redund
Re:Non-moving print heads... (Score:2)
hawk
Re:Non-moving print heads... (Score:2)
I'm not sure that it's an intractable problem, but I sure wouldn't want to be the one who got stuck trying to figure out how to fix it...
Re:Non-moving print heads... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Non-moving print heads... (Score:2)
Re:Non-moving print heads... (Score:2, Informative)
Do you know just how many tracks a disk has? Hint: its many many thousand. You cant put so many heads over the disc because the head is orders of magnitudes wider than the track. Plus if you were only doing sparse head placement (like 100 heads evenly spaced), you could not keep them calibrated, plus even IF you could, seek times would get MUCH worse because of resonanz modes of the arm complex, increased inertia, ect.
Add to this the problems of sticktion, disturbance of the bern
Re:Non-moving print heads... (Score:2)
Small thinking. (Score:3, Insightful)
Current heads are bigger because they have to move around. The actual functional part of the head is by definition exactly the width of one track. And width along the disk radius is the only dimension that really matters. Height along the spindle axis and length along the track arc are bounded, but of less concern.
Re:Non-moving print heads... (Score:2)
If everyone thought this way, true "out-side-the-box" innovation would never happen. It starts with a single person saying "Hmm... I wonder what would happen if we did it this way instead". Granted, the EE's employed by HDD companies are more likely to get that stroke inspiration, but it's not impossib
Re:Non-moving print heads... (Score:2)
You can extend this further and have multiple arms per platter, such that at the innermost track your read-heads would be as close as possible without having overlapping read areas. (Or, if you had one known blank spot on the disk, you could
Re:Non-moving print heads... (Score:2)
Well the old multi-platters could do that. But I can just imagine the top of a hard drive case packed with read heads end to end.
I think the problem is that head positioning is too precise of a problem to rely on static load bearing structures. It has to be a dynamic process.
That said I have often imagi
Re:Non-moving print heads... (Score:2)
Kenwood made a 72x CD-ROM drive with multiple heads [cdrinfo.com] a few years back. Also allowed the CDs to spin much slower while still achieving high speeds, making the drive much quieter. From what I remember it was a great drive according to reviews, guess it was just cheaper to put one head in than several and spin the disc faster.
Re:Non-moving print heads... (Score:2)
Even then you're still spinning the drive platters.
You got any idea how to fit 50,000
Re:Non-moving print heads... (Score:2)
Re:Non-moving print heads... (Score:2, Insightful)
Modern hard disks are optimized for precisely one thing: price. Multiple actuator disk drives have been made in the past, but they aren't now because two actuators cost at least twice as much as one.
The market for performance-at-all-costs drives was never large en
As seen on TV (Score:4, Funny)
At long last, technology catches up with those really cool printers and fax machines in the movies! We'll be able to print suspect photos in less than a second! Yay!
Not new (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Not new (Score:2)
Re:Not new (Score:2)
150 pages? (Score:2, Troll)
Oh my god. (Score:5, Funny)
That's like 5 color cartridges per minute, at $32 a pop!
150 A6 Pages (Score:5, Informative)
Re:150 A6 Pages (Score:2)
Re:150 A6 Pages (Score:2, Informative)
Re:150 A6 Pages (Score:2)
more ink, more $ (Score:2, Funny)
From the article (Score:2, Insightful)
Sounds impressive, although I wonder how it copes with wet ink on the pages. If they really are coming through at 150ppm t
Who ordered this? (Score:3, Interesting)
How much ink is that in dollars per second? (Score:2)
Don't forget the rebate (Score:2)
Sure, ink seems expensive now, but in 5 years time there will be a class action lawsuit and everyone that has been locked into buying overpriced ink will be entitled to a $3 rebate.
So it's not as bad as you make out!
The ink lasts how long? (Score:2)
Printers we would like to see (Score:3, Interesting)
How about:
1. A super-cheap to refill DIY printer. Sure, it goes against the whole business model of printers & ink. Then find some way to have it not dry out after periods of non-use.
2. A reasonably priced printer that prints on both sides of the paper.
3. Bullet-proof linux drivers. I gave up on CUPS + HP printer when it would print out 90% of the page, and then several pages of garbage, thus wasting paper.
4. an ez-un-jamming printer. When a paper doesn't go in 100% perfectly straight, hilarity ensues trying to pull the confetti out without damaging things.
Or maybe I should just save up some $$$ and go strictly laserjet instead of mooching from work.
Re:Printers we would like to see (Score:2)
HP has a number of reasonably priced printers which can do this. The Photosmart 7755 at around a hundred bucks use have an optional attachment (~30 if memory serves) to do two sided. The Business Inkjet 1200d at around 200 bucks includes the functionality out of the box. They have had this for quite some time. Several years ago I was working as a retail whore selling computer stuff, and I sold a lot of cheap inkjets with double side
Re:Printers we would like to see (Score:2)
yeah, the canon Pixma IP3000 prints on both sides and it cost me about $30. Does great photos too.. the linux drivers aren't there yet though.
Re:Printers we would like to see (Score:2)
The photos look fantastic, and it's even pretty cheap to buy ink for, with separate color carts. (they're clear to so you can actually see when the ink is really gone) Plus according some review I read, it's pretty stingy on ink compare
How are they going to dry those pages? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:How are they going to dry those pages? (Score:2)
They could have multiple output trays and cycle between them. With three trays you could have a net speed of 50 ppm to each tray. An absolutely ugly hack, yes, but it's a possibility.
Or they could be using an ink that just dries quickly. The father of one of my good friends was one of the progenitors of inkjet printing, and he says
So you too can buy ink by the tankerload (Score:2, Interesting)
I suppose you can find the people/businesses with these printers by the 6 large water towers converted into ink tanks out back....
Static heads? How quaint (Score:5, Funny)
Stationary print heads... that seems so much like the old-as-balls HP line printers that we have here that I'm wondering if they're going to have it print on fanfold greenbar paper. Maybe they'll rediscover batch processing too.
Can the connection to the printer keep up? (Score:3, Interesting)
150 "sheets" per minute (Score:2)
publishing house (Score:2)
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It's an ink jet line printer (Score:2, Informative)
So they reinvented the dot-matrix line printer.
Maybe it's new for ink jet, but it isn't new for printing. Line printers were pretty standard for high-speed but low-quality printing up until about 15 years ago; the economical laser printer killed them off.
The dot-matrix line printers would have a solid row of pins across the ribbon, and would form a complete row at a time. The fixed-font printers had a solid row of character hammers and a chain with the letter-forms on it. The chain was set up so t
Printer pranks with fast printers. (Score:5, Funny)
I'm mentioning this in a post about fast printers because a year or two ago, he devised a program that sent tons and tons of empty pages to the printer at high speed, as quickly as possible, so that people won't know what's going on. As luck would have it, he owned a laser printer identical to the office printer. He disassembled his own printer and disconnected the power switch so it would be "always on", and he installed a battery in some empty space inside that would allow it to keep running for a minute or two if unplugged, he installed a hidden screw that held the paper tray inside so you couldn't pull it out to "save the paper" (it's stuck!), and somehow he had it so when you try to print a legitimate file, it would just start spitting out the "blank" pages, without printing anything on them. The day before, he collected tons of "scratch" paper that had all kinds of meaningless junk printed on it, and placed it inside the paper tray. He made "the switch", putting his own printer in place of the office one. In the morning, the secretary tried to print something, and from her perception, it appeared that all the data got screwed up on the way to the printer. Random ascii characters were spewing out at high speed. Little did she know it was pre-printed. She tried to pull out the paper tray and when she realized it was stuck, she clicked "cancel printing" and when that didn't work, she turned off the power switch to the printer, and when that didn't work, she turned off the whole UPS that the computer and printer were plugged in to, and when that didn't work (she thought the UPS battery was still powering it), she unplugged the printer from the UPS... She had messed up the whole desk in a matter of minutes, and the printer kept spewing things out! She truly freaked out! But the best part was when the nerd admitted it was a prank... She actually smacked him! It was funny.
Re:Printer pranks with fast printers. (Score:3, Funny)
3 20 * * * eject
19 20 * * * eject -t
Freaked the hell out of people working late
Anyone seen HP in the printer world lately? (Score:2)
Looks like HP is losing its reputation as the printer technology leader.
Fast Inkjet printers can lead to the dark side. (Score:2)
Drying? (Score:2)
Coral cache (Score:2)
I wonder why the story links don't use it BY DEFAULT? Just add
How this works (Score:2)
Brother's press press release [brother.com] shows what they're doing. The slow version still has a moving print head, but they hope to reach the point where there's one big print head covering the entire width of the paper. That eliminates the scanning mechanism and makes large ink tanks possible, since the ink tanks don't have to move.
Nothing yet from Brother on how much the pri
this tech was demonstrated decades ago (Score:2)
Ink Cartridge Drying Out? (Score:2)
Re:I beat 150 color pages in one minute once (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Sustained Printing (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Heat Exchange (Score:2)
2.5 * 11 inches (normal paper) = 27.5
27.5 (inches per second) = 1.5625 miles per hour
Paper can move around at 1.5 miles per hour no problem.
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Heat Exchange - from where (Score:2)
Re:So? (Score:4, Funny)
For those of you who still don't get it:
World's Biggest Hacker Held [slashdot.org]
followed immediately by...
World's Fastest Inkjet Printer? [slashdot.org]
Re:In case of Slashdotting.. (Score:4, Funny)
Forests that can keep up with this printer - Priceless
Re:World Cheapest Advertising Campaign.. (Score:2)
Re:Ink... (Score:2)
There's a cheaper version of my printer that uses the same cartridges as mine. It retails for $100, just $18 more than the full set of cartridges that come with it. A full set of generic cart
Re:Ink... (Score:2)
No - but I bet the sort of people that would buy this type of printer do so because they intend to print a lot of pages quickly (otherwise they would just get a slower, cheaper printer). A small ink cartridge would definitely be a problem for the likely target audience. I'm sure Brother would not have made such an obvious mistake though...
Re:Road Runner! (Score:2)
Re:DOT MATRIX LINE PRINTERS! (Score:2)
Re:DOT MATRIX LINE PRINTERS! (Score:2)
Weak, and probably inaccurate analogy:
If you are trying to fit 5 right hands in a 1x1 foot square, no problem. 5 people stand around and put a hand in the square.
If, however, you want to put 400 hands in a 20x20 foot square, will there be enough room for the people to stand, and how will you cover the middle section?