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Hiper Type-R Modular Blue Line 580W PSU Review 295

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MrIcee2 writes "XtremeResources today has on the test bench the Hiper Type-R Modular Blue Line 580W Power Supply Unit . Our European Senior Reviewer Grace evaluates the high end modular Power Supply Unit solution powering her Intel P4 3.73 EE, Asus P5AD2-E premium based test bench. Read along as she determines the flexibilty this unit offers in it's modular construction, and takes a look inside to see what make this unit the powerhouse that it is. "Most users underestimate the necessity of a good, reliable and high quality power supply unit. They usually do not understand that it is the driving force for the whole system and it can affect reliability and stability substantially. An inadequate power supply unit will cause instability of the system at best, it may overload and burn out attached components in the worst case scenario. Hiper (High Performance Group) recently released the Type-R modular blue line HPU-4B580 power supply unit, which is competitively priced and claims to be able to offer everyone what they want and require. Hiper was nice enough to have us take a look at the unit, so we will shortly know if it can stand up to its claims."
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  • Wow, individual hardware reviews on Slashdot? (Score:2, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Sometimes we see... you know... exciting hardware, or groups of hardware... but a single power supply? WOW!

  • Type-R? (Score:3, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 30, 2005 @10:39PM (#12680656)
    Must be a power supply for all the ricers!
    • Must be a power supply for all the ricers!
      Of course it is - they're made in China:
      Er Heng Road,
      Shi Jie Town,
      Dong Guan City,
      Guang Dong Province,
      China

      Tel: +86-769-637-6622
      Fax: +86-769-637-6655
      The "British Connection" is just a sales outlet.

    • Re:Type-R? (Score:4, Funny)

      by Farmer Tim ( 530755 ) on Monday May 30, 2005 @11:09PM (#12680873) Journal
      I remember this from the old Sega Master System. The best part is if you hold down the fire button, the energy builds up and...oh, wait, that's R-Type...

    • Re:Type-R? (Score:3, Funny)

      by Doomstalk ( 629173 )
      I can't wait to put a bigass aluminum wing on my case. Oh, and stickers! It'll overclock three times as much that way!

  • Yeah, but... (Score:3, Funny)

    by RockWolf ( 806901 ) on Monday May 30, 2005 @10:40PM (#12680662)
    Does it come with a free fusion plant to offset the power bills?
    • Funny, but a higher wattage PSU will usually use less energy for a given rig, due to the fact that they are ofter more efficient than lesser rated PSUs. A 500W PSU doesn't mean your computer will consume more power than when equipped with a 400W PSU.

      • Re:Yeah, but... (Score:4, Informative)

        by phoenix321 ( 734987 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2005 @06:39AM (#12682599)
        My computer uses exactly 40 Watts under full load, which means playing HL2 at a decent resolution. The PSU is fanless, noiseless and can deliver 60W sustained power, although that's never needed if my power meter reads correctly. The computer has a heat pipe system, transporting CPU and GPU heat to a single 8x8cm heatsink with a small temperature controlled fan, exhausting directly to outside air. This fan switches off, so the system is, except for a barely noticeable HDD noise, extremely silent, whenever convection cooling is sufficient, e.g. system is less than half-loaded and ambient temperatures are below 25 degrees Celsius, for example while writing /.-comments and surfing the web ATM. The CPU core frequency adapts in 4-step granularity to current computing power needs, so it saves more power and exhausts less heat while the CPU is waiting for me typing comments in a browser window. Typical low-power intake is about 25W, so the PSU is barely above room temperature.

        The system had cost me 15 percent more as an equally powerful (in terms of computing power) but 7 times as energy consuming system. And the best (hehe): it has an integrated UPS with a backup capacity of 2 to 4 hours, depending on load. Did I mention the flatscreen built in for improved portability to LAN-parties?

        Welcome to the world of current notebooks. I will never go back to a desktop rig, as long as those are weighing more than 4kgs, consume more than 200W while writing mails and surfing the web and produce more noise than a vacuum cleaner.

        I don't know why PC manufactures haven't caught up to the current standards in power saving and noise reduction. Traditional desktop systems are IMHO not that much cheaper to offset their disadvantages, compared to notebooks. When I browse sites like Newegg, I conclude the price premium for notebooks is less than 15 percent, taking the integrated 15-17 inch TFT screen into account. The only thing notebooks lack is HDD space and speed. Most have 4800 upm ones and their capacity is 100GB at max. Capacity is offset by cheap USB-HDs if needed and speed is currently catching up with the first 7200 upm HDs appearing for the 2,5" form factor. Noise will then be an issue again, though, I fear.

  • Type-R power supply (Score:5, Funny)

    by doubtless ( 267357 ) on Monday May 30, 2005 @10:40PM (#12680668) Homepage
    So do we have to use a K&N air filter for the air intake to maximize the power?

    I'm sure some neon lights will help too.

  • Sketchy (Score:2, Insightful)

    by birge ( 866103 )
    It seems to me that one of the whole points of digital is that as long as the power rails are above some sufficient level of performance, any improvement in performance is pointless. Power supply noise isn't an issue below some critical value. This reminds me of the crooks who try to sell people on $100 digital audio fiber optic cable for "higher fidelity."
    • Don't be naive. Electronic digital components are still electronic; their digital property is the result of engineering, not the result of physics.

      The average computer has 30-50 amps of DC power flowing around inside it along with a pile of VRMs. Inadequate or low quality conductors and connections can lead to excess heat, meltdowns, overvoltage/undervoltage, or degredation in components due to said heat, meltdowns, overvoltage/undervoltage, etc. This degredation can then in turn affect power consistency/a

    • Re:Sketchy (Score:3, Informative)

      by Cylix ( 55374 ) *
      If you dig around a little bit you will find the acceptable tolerance levels most equipment is designed around.

      For ATX 2.01.. the variance is only 5% for all positive voltage rails. For instance, if you see a reading below 4.75 on your 5v line... you are looking at a problem.

      I've already seen this on a cheap power supply and the problem resulted in a few things. Extreme system instability (It was a fair chunk below the 5% mark) and lots of extra heat.

      My guess is the power supply was extremely over taxed

    • Re:Sketchy (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Jah-Wren Ryel ( 80510 )
      Power supply noise isn't an issue below some critical value.

      However, in PC's that critical value tends to be a lot higher than one expects. Far too often, PC power supplies get really noisy when pushed to anywhere near their maximum rating. The results can be very mysterious - all kinds of components from hard disks to ram "randomly" failing.

      I've literaly seen the benefits of improved power sources myself - over on avsforum there was an EE freak in the canadian boonies who was all about making sure you

  • Man, these marketing guys ... (Score:3, Funny)

    by gstoddart ( 321705 ) on Monday May 30, 2005 @10:41PM (#12680675) Homepage
    Why am I not surprised to see X-Treme tech covering a Type-R anything?

    Can't these guys come up with any more friggin' letters than X and R? =)

    Young punks, get off my lawn.
  • Let me know when K-Mart is running a "blue light" special on this power suppy. I'm too cheap to pay full retail. :P
  • Meh...it's an art piece, for sure. But I've had excellent luck with nice, inexpensive Sparkle power supplies from Newegg.
  • I think more users underestimate the value of a half-decent surge protector, and many of those that think they are using one are actually using a plain power strip.

    On the power rating, the problems I've run into in the past is finding the power consumption ratings of all the devices I expect to use, and how much power is used from the respective voltage rails.

    • Re:Underestimating (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Cylix ( 55374 ) *
      It's more troublesome then some really understand.

      I can really appreciate the UL listings on the back of a television monitor after dealing with so much much equipment that doesn't have any listings.

      When performing an evaluation... I had a friend recommend just getting an amperage meter tool to check the system needs. It really doesn't take in account the initial power spike, but it helps when things are poorly documented.

      So... all I can say is...

      Over spec, over spec and well... you know... over spec so
      • The problem with overspec'ing is that you lose efficiency. The rated efficiency of any power supply is at the rated load, efficiency goes down considerably when at a fraction of the load. How much difference, I really don't know.
    • To make matters worse, there are no standards per se. For example, most mainboards these days draw CPU power from the 12v rail, but some (most notably a few Tyan boards) draw power for as many as two CPUs from the 5v rail instead.

      When a power supply is listed as "XYZ watts," most users just assume that either it's big enough or it isn't. But a 550 watt power supply that only supplies 25a on the 5v rail giving the rest to 12v is going to flame out or melt wires eventually if your mainboard runs two CPUs on
  • This PSU is a Good Thing.

    After buying an Ultra X-Connect [ultraproducts.com] last year, there's no way I'd be able to go back to a conventional power supply. I love the modular design.

    It's about time someone else came out with a modular PSU. Hopefully, Ultra and Hiper will be able to push modular power supplies to the point where they completely drive conventional crap out of the market.

  • Hyper Typer (Score:3, Funny)

    by datafr0g ( 831498 ) <datafrogNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Monday May 30, 2005 @10:50PM (#12680745) Homepage
    I always thought a Hiper Type-R was a very fast keyboard...

  • Here's what I don't understand (Score:3, Interesting)

    by 3770 ( 560838 ) on Monday May 30, 2005 @10:54PM (#12680776) Homepage

    Why does the PSU have to be internal?

    Why can't it be external like for laptops. That way heat isn't dissipated inside the computer case.

    Can someone straighen me out here?
    • Laptops actually only have a portion of the power supply outside the case. They convert to 28V, for example. Converting to a low voltage like 3.3V outside the case is inefficient, for the same reason that houses don't use 10V power. If you have a device that needs 330W, it can take 12A at 28V or 100A at 3.3V. Now, let's consider the resistance in the wires. If they are 0.01 ohm/foot, and you have 1 foot of wire, then you will lose 0.01*12 or 0.12V if you use 28V , or you will lose 0.01*100 or 1V at the 3.
      • the problem with your theory is that voltage drop over say 5' of 14 gauge copper wire with 5 amps is only about .065 volts.

        adjusting the gauge and strand count can probably solve most of external power supply issues with desktop computers.

        The main issue I would guess is that people with desktop computers don't want the extra box, with fans. Smaller computers like the Mac Mini get away with it becaues they don't nee 300+ watts of power.

        Personaly, I would love to start seeing smaller supplies, and cooler
    • you COULD run it outside the case (there are some small cases that do this). But that would kind of defeat the purpose of the big desktop with everything inside of it.

      your drives all make heat but most people prefer to keep them contained in the system.

    • Well normally PSUs include fans, at least one blowing right out, and often another drawing air in. Thus they don't usually dissapate much heat in the case, rather they help with the cooling. In older PCs, the PSU fan is often the ONLY fan that works to move air out of the case.

  • Real reviews (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Rufus211 ( 221883 ) <rufus-slashdotNO@SPAMhackish.org> on Monday May 30, 2005 @10:57PM (#12680793) Homepage
    First of all, wtf is with that name? All it needs is a few more Xs for Xtreme.

    Anyway, thanks for a bunch of pictures of the PSU without actually telling me anything. If you want a real review of PSUs, head over ot X-bit labs [xbitlabs.com]. All of their reviews [xbitlabs.com] contain actual power data with power draw vs rated voltage graphs and scope readings of rail fluctuations. And one picture of the PSU if you actually care.
    • You said it. This was simply one more of those 'look at the pretty colours'-types of reviews.

      Some things which bothered me in this review:

      - This PSU doesn't use XLR connectors, but bayonet catches. XLR connectors are used for professional audio applications.
      - Those heatsinks are a joke for what is a PSU which might do around 450 - 500 W (compensated for 25 -> 40 degrees testing environment). Without the 120 mm fan this unit will probably choke and die within minutes.
      - A real PSU test involves measu
    • Honda Type-R Which is Hondas Performance version of their cars which also have silly names
      Such as the "Honda Civic Type-R Dangan Hot Hatch" With its I-vetech engine, Which i imagine produces less energy than that thing

  • "powering her Intel P4 3.73 EE, Asus P5AD2-E premium based test bench."

    And we're supposed to believe that someone is powering a P4 3.73GHz with only a 580W power supply?

    In all seriousness, I have to be suspect of a title like "European Senior Reviewer" from a website that has the 'word' "Xtreme" four times in the title image alone (and not just because most hardware savvy people are using either Athlon64s or Pentium-M's). I guess it's cool, or something, to have an xtreme power supply for the extremel

    • To be clear, I wasn't saying that the website with the TFA is a bad one. It's writing is of better quality than a lot of them out there. I was just struck by the blatant overuse of the marketdroid word "xtreme." I am sure I am the only one.
  • Hard to take something seriously when it's called 'Hiper' is it supposed to my 'Hyper-Mega-Awesome' or 'Hipper' or what are they going for here? Personally though, you can't go wrong with something from PC P&C [pcpowercooling.com]
    • unfortunately according to their "calculator" I will need a 730W PSU for my system

      I have noticed that I run a bit undervoltage according to PC Probe on the +5 and +12 lines but the stability is rock solid so I havnt worried about it (athlon 64 on a 480W I believe)

  • THis is a dual core Intel chip and a top end graphics card... Lets see, 580W * 24 * 365 * $0.17/KW*Hr (CA rates) = $863.74/yr

    Not bad. Add in what it takes to cool the room it's in, large fans, or AC, so double that.

    So only about $1,700/year to power that new dual core Intel system. Rural China will be swarming with these in no time!!!

    *waits for Intel and AMD to get a F'ing clue*
    • Your math is completely wrong. First of all, a system only draws its peak amount of power while it's booting (typically about 5 seconds while the hard drives spin up). Second, the power supply wattage ratings are inflated because they add up the max wattages on each of the rails, when in reality you'll only come close to max on one. Third, cooling a room with one computer sure as hell doesn't take 580W, either. Finally, there's no way you'd ever need a power supply like this unless you had a whole lot of ha
      • A dual core Intel system uses something like 250W when idle. So at worst, I'm off by a factor of 2, obviously systems dont run at peak all the time ;)
    • I'm amazed that with this being slashdot and all, people still don't have a clue on energy consumption of PCs...

      Just because you have a 580W PSU, you will not draw 580W out of the wall outlet. I could have a 2kW power supply in my PC, but it's not going to draw 2kW from the power point.

      Your PC will only take as much as it requires. It may be that you are only using 150W out of your 580W power supply. The rest, is just spare capacity.

      Is it really that hard to understand?

  • posturing (Score:3, Insightful)

    by SuperBanana ( 662181 ) on Monday May 30, 2005 @11:31PM (#12681019)

    "Type-R" is well-known among the racing enthusiasts, as a tuned up version of the original platform to its maximum output

    Nope. Actually, I know it to be mostly used for badge engineering- aka posturing.

    There's a strong preference among many car enthusiasts for vehicles that just don't stand out. We call them "sleepers", and their performance and subtlety speak for themselves.

    For example, with just a litre more displacement- helps to have 5 cylinders instead of 4) and a turbo- I've got around 150-180 more HP than them. A manual transmission (don't laugh, half the ricers drive automatics), all wheel drive, and not a single badge on the car except rings on the trunklid and 'quattro' in the front grille.

    Kicker? Blue book value is probably half to a third what a new base-price honda coupe costs. Granted repairs are a little more common, but in the end, for some of us, the occasional hassle is worth it :-)

    • You drive a 5 cylinder car? That acheives 150-180 HP *more* then some other car?

      150-180hp is a fair car in itself. Around the best of the top-of-the-line (non-turbo) 4 cylinder cars, and about in the middle of 6 cylinder performance.

      • You drive a 5 cylinder car? That acheives 150-180 HP *more* then some other car?

        Yes. 2.23l, 20v DOHC; runs about 17lb of boost (93-94 octane mandatory). With a chip, 270-280hp (stock is 217). $2-3k will get you 320-330HP or more; expensive because that level of power requires a larger turbo and improved exhaust manifold; that level of power also does for the most part exceed the flow rate of the stock dual exhaust system.

        I went off the base model engine for the Civic, which is 115hp.

    • Re:posturing (Score:3, Informative)

      by marauder404 ( 553310 )

      "Type-R" is well-known among the racing enthusiasts, as a tuned up version of the original platform to its maximum output

      Nope. Actually, I know it to be mostly used for badge engineering- aka posturing.

      Nope. Actually, "Type-R" has a very specific meaning -- it's a trademark that Honda uses several of its cars to denote a more highly tuned model, such as an Integra Type-R. The ITR was brought to the US in 1997, featuring a more powerful engine, a different gearbox, and less frills to reduce weigh

  • Who needs 580W PSU??!!! (Score:5, Informative)

    by johansalk ( 818687 ) on Monday May 30, 2005 @11:31PM (#12681022)
    Before you spend your hard-eanred cash on such fancy item, be sure to go to http://www.jscustompcs.com/power_supply/ [jscustompcs.com] and calculate your PSU requirements, which will likely inform you that, unless you're in the exceptionally rare minority, far less expensive PSUs with less wattage will more than suffice.
    • That's a great link. Thanks.

      I was surprised to learn that I only needed 258 watts in my system as it currently stands. (And I was afraid I was overtaxing my 300watt supply). They even admit these are peak wattage numbers, and realisticlly you'll need less.

    • Damnit, where were you 2 weeks ago?

      *looks at his brand new 450 powersupply, with a meter up front reminding him he only uses 100 of it.*

    • Re:Who needs 580W PSU??!!! (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Keruo ( 771880 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2005 @03:35AM (#12682112)
      That calculator counts only continuous power usage.
      I punched in system that I measured to take ~500W when powering up, due spinning of drives, and that calculator recommended that I should use only 280W power for that system.
      300W psu couldn't start that system, or if it even powered up, it would most likely burn while spinning up the drives.
      Calculators like that are crap.
      Just make a list of the components you're planning to use and search for their datasheets, they're available online almost without exception.
    • A PSU comparison by tomshardware shows that manufacturer-claimed wattages are only rough estimates at best and naively/dangerously optimistic at worst. Some good PSUs can power much more than they claim, and some bad ones cannot even approach their claimed max loads.

      As an aside, my 300W PSU powered a 3GHz P4, GeForce 4, 2x 10k RPM Raptors, 7.2k RPM storage drive, etc. with no stability issues for 18 months. (I replaced the PSU because of hardware upgrades, not PSU failure.) That shouldn't be surprising

  • Good lord, what a name. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by (H)elix1 ( 231155 ) <slashdot.helix@nOSPaM.gmail.com> on Monday May 30, 2005 @11:33PM (#12681031) Homepage Journal
    Well, it looks pretty enough. Not a single mention as to any of the important stats, however. Modern hardware sucks up an incredible amount to juice, and this review did not mention how many amps on each rail, or decibels when the PS was running under load.

    Been burned on crappy 'high wattage' power supplies before. Worth reading the Watts don't mean Jack [hardforum.com] sticky and a few others in the form if you are looking to build a SLI system.

    Type-R... It was bad enough to buy a DFI 'LanParty UT SLI-DR' board, of which only three letters told me anything about it. What is with these marketing people?

  • Some review (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Smallpond ( 221300 ) on Monday May 30, 2005 @11:38PM (#12681053) Homepage Journal
    This is supposed to be a review of high-end power supply specs and it never mentions ripple? How about overvoltage protection? Aging? Brownout or surge protection? So how stable is the output of this supply? Real stable. Oh, OK.

    Then there are statements like this in the review: "Cheap power supply units ... may blow up". Yeah, I think I saw this on Star Trek last week. If they would only stop making those cheap supplies out of TNT.
    • The lines:

      the spin of a HDD is louder than the power supply fans and will negate any noise coming from it unless loaded heavily. Another nice feature is that the 80mm fan keeps spinning after you shut down the system for a few minutes

      Are enough to negate any priase from the reviewer in my eyes.
      What's he saying, it's quieter than an HDD!?! I should bloody well hope so, those things are beasts. And they only make a noise when they're being very actively used, while PSU will whirr away in the background.

  • No cost information? Dubious source? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by EMIce ( 30092 ) on Monday May 30, 2005 @11:40PM (#12681064) Homepage
    No price anywhere. Can it unseat the competition? Who knows?

    The use of Honda's unrelated Type-R performance label tells me they are appealing to quality by association to something they deserve no merit for.

    The review site talks up the need for a beefy PSU, but shows no methodical testing whatsoever.

    Seems to me the editors are a bit detached from if not journalistic integrity, at least some base duty they have to give us relevant stories. This is a clue to the sort of fuzzy logic is used when choosing submissions. Choices seem related more to pandering than genuine identification with the interests of slashdot readers.

    No wonder they got rid of John Katz, lest it be too obvious. He writes for MSN [msn.com] now.

    • ~$140 (Score:2, Interesting)

      by cve ( 181337 ) *
      I couldn't find a US reseller though.
    • The use of Honda's unrelated Type-R performance label tells me they are appealing to quality by association to something they deserve no merit for.

      Perhaps you could just take a regular power supply and put a "Type R" sticker on it. The kid down the street put a Type R sticker on his Toyota, and he claims the sticker alone makes it faster.

      If you really wanted maximum performance from your power supply, you have to put a bunch of Japanese characters all over the power supply, as well as do a really bad jo

  • The only power supply that ever died on me (Score:3, Interesting)

    by dusanv ( 256645 ) on Monday May 30, 2005 @11:58PM (#12681175)
    Was the most expensive one:
    Topower 420 [dansdata.com]
    It was in my gaming PC to protect the expensive components. I turn that thing on once a week at best. I also have a no-name PSU that cost me $30 with the case that has been on for the past five years with zero problems. Go figure.

  • Temperatures, please! (Score:3, Informative)

    by killermookie ( 708026 ) on Monday May 30, 2005 @11:58PM (#12681177) Homepage
    Yeah, it's a pretty box that has a big number by the word Watt.

    I don't know this power supply and it may be solid. But one thing most PSU manufacturer's keep hidden is the temperature that these's PSU are tested at. Some boast Watts of over 500, but at temperatures of 25 C.

    The hotter your PC is, the lower the Watts your PSU puts out. It was something I learned before by nVidia's latest videocard.

    I went with PC Power and Cooling for the reason that they display the Watts AND the temperature that it runs at.

    PC Power and Cooling Turbo 510: 510W at 50 C

  • I hate to be an ass... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Lisandro ( 799651 ) on Tuesday May 31, 2005 @12:03AM (#12681199)
    ...but the build quality is awful. Check this image [xtremeresources.com]: cramped cables (without need), restricted airflow, solder joints holding weight, bent circuit boards, minuscle heatsinks, panel mount parts glued with silicone... no wonder it needs two fans (and one is 120mm)!!!
    Come on, i know ATX power supplies are limited in size, but i have an "el-cheapo" Chinese 300w PSU which works like a charm and it's much better designed and built. It looks cool, and it seems that it's very good at regulating the output voltages, but you can get that elsewhere without the glitz. No mention of it's price either.

    To be honest, i wouldn't want that powering my PC.

  • BS (Score:2)

    by l3v1 ( 787564 )
    I trust my 465w a-pfc enermax anytime over some slashvertised psu with -Rs in its name from sites with Xs in its name. whatever. Anyways, someone who uses such cpus and don't have the clue to take care of a proper psu, they deserve what they end up with.

  • I have never heard of Hiper before. Anyway, I decided to see how much this PS costed.. and I couldn't find it for sale anywhere.

    Considering most cases come with a decent power supply, there isn't much room for expensive power supplies.
  • Gotta have the daily dose of capitalism!
  • I recently upgraded my graphics card to a Gigabyte 6600GT. When I had instability issues the first things blamed were heat and PSU. Heat was a problem, but not the central one. Cleaning out the heatsink and adding a case fan was worth doing. However it I think it was an issue with drivers and motherboard. (Turning off AGP direct writes seems to be the thing that fixed my game and system freezes).

    However note that I am running the following on a generic 400W unit.
    P4 2.4 clocked up to 2.6
    1 Gig memory
    3 hard d
  • Read along as she determines the flexibilty this unit offers in it's modular construction

    Please read this informative memo. [img104.echo.cx]

    /this goes for you too, Cecil (37810) [slashdot.org]
    //Is this really one of the most difficult aspects of the written English language?

  • "Most users underestimate the necessity of a good, reliable and high quality power supply unit. They usually do not understand that it is the driving force for the whole system and it can affect reliability and stability substantially."

    I'm pretty tired of hearing this claim over and over again... Anyone want to try and provide some actual proof?

    I've owned my share of both Enermax power supplies, and $10 no-name "500watt" power supplies, and I haven't had reliability problems with any of them, even with

  • *runs & hides*
  • Get a Seasonic S12-430 instead. Quiet (20dbA/1m below 150W), cool (less than 6C difference between intake and output), efficent (over 80%), friendly to the grid (active PFC), and, perhaps most importantly, UL certified.

    I have the older Super Tornado 300W, and it's excellent. All the power I need to keep my system running without a lot of noise or heat.

    Seasonic knows what they're doing.

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