USB Flash Drive Round-up 348
Adam writes "Ars has published a massive USB 2.0 Hi-speed Flash drive roundup, with 10 USB
2.0 flash drives that they've tested on three OSes. They rate the drives by performance, durability, and features/accessories (including the crappy software that no one uses).
Definitely a good read for anyone who has recently sat on their USB thumbdrive!"
bootable (Score:5, Informative)
BIOS upgrades? (Score:3, Interesting)
Still, the most important feature is that it's bootable. (And some still aren't)
Are BIOS upgrades generally available for those older mainboards that have USB ports but no ability to boot from USB storage? For instance, I use a Dell Dimension 4100 computer manufactured in fall of 2000.
Re: (Score:3, Informative)
Why are some NOT bootable? (Score:3, Interesting)
Most people? (Score:5, Insightful)
Previously, most people had no idea what a Flash drive was, but now you can be sure to find most people with even a basic Flash drive in their pocket or purse.
Uh, no. Whoever wrote this must make a living pickpocketing or mugging geeks only.
Re:Most people? (Score:4, Insightful)
If you use multiple computers to do your day's work, this is certainly an affordable and practical solution.. and people in this situation are doing it!
Re:Most people? (Score:2)
Re:Most people? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Most people? (Score:4, Informative)
Great, but that doesn't have any bearing on the statement that "most" people have them. How many people carried around floppies? If everyone with a floppy or CD on them right now was counted with all the people with flash drives, it still wouldn't be half the US.
Now, if someone were to say that half of all people with USB-capable computers had external USB storage, then that would be believable, even if it wasn't true yet. But half of all people? That just absurd.
Re:Most people? (Score:2)
Mugging or pickpocketing people for usb flash drives would be stupid - they cost what, about £12 for 128MB now? I'm in Britain so if you want mug/pickpocket people it would be for mobile phones
Stealing Mobile Phones is passe also (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Most people? (Score:5, Informative)
For the curious, dialling *#06# on most phones will show you the IMEI of the handset.
out of style faster than the floppy (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:out of style faster than the floppy (Score:4, Insightful)
Only among that miniscule segment of the population that only has to deal with computers made in the past year, year and a half and are only made by manufacturers that include a certain feature set.
But seeing as how a USB key is a heck of a lot cheaper than buying a new computer or a flash drive for all my friends, I think I'll stick with that.
Re:out of style faster than the floppy (Score:2)
Is there one flash standard that ALL computers will take, or will there be diversity? Flash, Secure Disk, XD card, or Sony Memorystick?? If there is diversity, it does not really give people confidence that 1 floppy can be taken anywhere and read.
Sony has been putting their Memory Stick readers on all their laptops. It is on my laptop. But I never use it because it is the only Sony I own.
We need an industry
Re:out of style faster than the floppy (Score:2)
We had 120mb floppies years ago (google for 'LS120').
They didn't take off, because at that time CDROM and CDRW were just taking hold and people couldn't see the point.
Re:out of style faster than the floppy (Score:2)
Yes, because unlike USB Mass Storage, which can be accessed out-of-the-box by any computer with a fairly recent OS and a USB port, my CompactFlash will work beautifully on my friend's PC that has a xD-MMC/SD-MemoryStick1/2 reader! Also, his MemoryStick works great in my MMC/SD-xD-CF combo.. NOT.
Meanwhile, my frickin' car radio has got a USB port to play MP3s. It also has an MMC/SD slot (but no xD, MemoryStick
Re:out of style faster than the floppy (Score:2)
I'm thinking of getting a Creative NuVo TX FM 1GB, it would be pretty cool to be able to click it in place for long trips
Re:out of style faster than the floppy (Score:2)
Re:out of style faster than the floppy (Score:2)
Most notebooks have USB jacks, but ones with flash readers are pretty rare.
Eh? All the notebooks I've had in the last 5 years have had SD and/or compact flash slots.
Re:out of style faster than the floppy (Score:4, Funny)
I assume that you are talking about the floppy disc that I have been using since the end of the 80s and still occasionay use.
By your argument the usb drive will last ONLY 20 years!
Return of the Disk-Based Virus! (Score:3, Insightful)
my experience with Apacer (Score:5, Informative)
if you buy a drive : make sure you can unplug it from whatever it is attached to. But make sure that the drive itself doesn't unplug too easily : I lost my previous drive cause the click-'n-hold system wore off and it would unplug at the slightest pull
Re:my experience with Apacer (Score:2, Interesting)
Bottom line.. Don't buy Apacer flash drives.
Re:my experience with Apacer (Score:2)
Of course, when you say "keychain", I'm thinking carkeys/housekeys. Is that correct?
Re:my experience with Apacer (Score:2)
Re:my experience with Apacer (Score:4, Funny)
Obligatory (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Obligatory (Score:2)
What the hell is Palm thinking?
faulty reasoning (Score:2)
What a dumb thing to say. The question is whether a shuffle deserved a spot in the review, not whether some arbitrary quota of Apple commentary had been reached within the review. The fact is that Apple makes a computer that deserved benchmarks, and they also make a thumb-drive that deserved review.
I read the review and I felt some temptation to go out and buy one of these drives, particularly since my current thumb drive uses USB 1.1 and is three years
Re:faulty reasoning (Score:4, Informative)
Needless to say, I have an iPod shuffle in hand along with a bunch of other flash-based digital audio players. I should have a review coming soon featuring as many of these flash-based players as I can get my hands on (some of which can act as a flash drive, too.)
Hope this makes sense.
helloooo Alliston/Boston (Score:5, Interesting)
I opened that page up accidentally in Safari instead of Firefox, and man, now I remember why I installed Flashblock [mozdev.org]. Ow. Ow. OW OW OW. 3/4 of the page is flash advertisements!
Re:helloooo Alliston/Boston (Score:2)
The faux industrial building by the Allston exit of I90 is a Genzyme production facility, not associated with Biogen. All of Biogen's local offices are located around Kendall/Tech Square area (I'm former Biogen IT contractor).
FWIW, Ars was started by a bunch of Harvard folks, so the Cambridge/Boston backdrops aren't suprising. All of these are on or within a few block of Memorial Drive, which runs along the Charles River
What's with OS X? (Score:4, Interesting)
dom
Re:What's with OS X? (Score:3, Insightful)
The Washing Machine Test - PQI Intelligent Stick (Score:5, Interesting)
One thing that's weird in the review is they act so shocked that the I-Stick can be so small and still be so good... but have they ever opened up any other USB thumb drive? Most have what looks like a I-Stick inside them. The case broke off my cruzer titanium (yeah, its titanium, but the part that holds the two halfs together definitely was not!) and I used to carry around the inside piece after that which was about the size of the I-Stick, but of course was not as strong of plastic and couldn't survive like the I-stick has.
Just my $0.02
Re:The Washing Machine Test - PQI Intelligent Stic (Score:3, Insightful)
I the UK, they're generally called "pen drives" (prolly cuz a lot of them have a pen clip on them for putting in your shirt pocket) or just "usb memory sticks" or simpley "usb drives"
I'm trying to figure out why they would be called "thumb drives" but it's not coming to me...
Re:The Washing Machine Test - PQI Intelligent Stic (Score:3, Insightful)
In my opinion, the form factor is brilliant, and being able to keep it in your wallet is indispensable. It will literally always be near you, you don't ever think about it, unlike having to pick up and check the charge on your mobile phone, MP3 player, etc.
However, due to having it with you all the time, and its small form factor, I reckon it's more suscep
Re:The Washing Machine Test - PQI Intelligent Stic (Score:2)
I have been recommending it to others and have yet to hear a complaint.
Re:The Washing Machine Test - PQI Intelligent Stic (Score:3, Insightful)
PQI 1GB (Score:2)
I taped one into the PCMCIA slot filler for my laptop, it's kind of a neat place to hide it.
Re:PQI 1GB (Score:2)
Feature not taken into account (Score:2, Interesting)
Bonzai with SD card (Score:2)
a drive full of shit (Score:2, Funny)
I think the only thing good for someone who did that would be a first aid kit...
-SJ53
Looking for SECURE thumbdrives (Score:3, Insightful)
What I am looking for is a usb thumbdrive/fob/whatever that has strong anti-tamper security features. I'm talking about on the level of FIPS 140 Level 4 which, among other things, means that it probably encrypts all of its contents and if it detects an attempt to physically get at its innards, it erases the data. Note that levels 1 through 3 are all pretty much the same, but level 4 is a big leap up in protection from level 3.
I need this to store all my drug deal accounts receivables,
and to keep my wife and her electron tunnelling microscope from finding my pr0n.
Re:Looking for SECURE thumbdrives (Score:2)
In other words... (Score:2, Funny)
SD USB (Score:4, Interesting)
New Removable Media Standard Ignores Media (Score:5, Interesting)
Once there was an interface standard that supported the basic "something that looks like a disk drive" concept, the war was essentially over. Who cares if different people choose flash, or miniature disk, or anything else that might come along? So long as they can all plug into that USB port and behave pretty much the same to your host computer's software, there's no reason to mind that a single removable media format is not king.
What's left for the USB media revolution is its use in bricks and mortar commerce. In the B&M scene, they are constantly trying to create schemes to get you to carry a device (e.g., smartcards) to let them "touch" your data. The information benefits for the B&M store are clear, and the example of store cards ("10% off if you have your QFC card!") shows that they can offer rewards to induce the information sharing.
But who wants to carry 15 different magstripe cards for 15 different stores? The answer is in those little USB devices that more and more people have in their pocket. What's needed is an open standard for sharing data on a USB device -- a standard that lets the customer control what the merchant can store on the card, and what information the customer is willing to share with that merchant.
Consider the following scenario. I walk into a store I've never visited before. They tell me that if I sign up for an "affinity card", I'll get 30% off today's purchase. But now, instead of spending 15 minutes filling out a lengthy form of personal information, I just plug in my disk on key. Up comes a list of personal profiles I've created. I pick the one I'm willing to share with the store, select how much device storage I'm willing to let the store have on my USB device, punch a button, and I'm done!. When I return that store, I can just plug my pocket USB device into their socket to qualify for discounts.
You can already purchase password database applications designed to run from USB disks. These let you walk up to your Internet cafe machine, plug in your USB disk, and gain access to all your many encrypted passwords for logging into various web sites. There's no reason the same sort of thing can't be extended to "logging in" to B&M stores.
Re:New Removable Media Standard Ignores Media (Score:5, Informative)
Remember, USB only works where there's a host controller. That host has to be trusted. If it's not, your data is screwed.
A Firewire (IEEE-1394) keychain drive would be much more secure for what you're describing, since the keychain drive would be in a point-to-point communication mode with that untrusted store machine. It wouldn't rely on an untrusted host that might force it to do what you didn't ask it to do. I'm surprised nobody's made a Firewire keychain drive already. It would be a faster and more secure (though a bit less universal) alternative to USB-based drives.
Re:New Removable Media Standard Ignores Media (Score:2)
It seems there is [kanguru.com] a Firewire flash drive. Available in 128MB, 256MB, 512MB, 1GB, 2GB, 4GB. FYI, the 128MB one is about $55, the 4GB one is about $650.
Re:New Removable Media Standard Ignores Media (Score:3, Interesting)
And, IIRC, the licensing costs for the manufacturer are significantly higher.
Re:New Removable Media Standard Ignores Media (Score:2)
Just curious - what colour is the sky in your world?
Re:New Removable Media Standard Ignores Media (Score:2)
The second part of your comment also makes enormous sense. However, it suffers from the chicken and egg problem. Until many people carry around a USB keychain drive, this just won't be viable.
However, most people already carry around a cellphone. And if a cellphone could contain some flash storage, and have an interface any store could read, your idea could catch on quic
Poorly Written (Score:2, Interesting)
I thought this article was fairly informative, but their writing sure could use a little work.
Re:Poorly Written (Score:2, Interesting)
impossible combination (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:impossible combination (Score:2)
As for write protection, I have a Memorex traveldrive that has a write-protect switch, that i never really bothered to use
Heh ... (Score:3, Funny)
Shouldn't that be called a "Bumdrive" now?
In all seriousness, though, I've been trying to find reviews on the Creative Labs MuVo TX FM 1GB. I'm very interested in getting one, but I want to hear if anyone's encountered issues with it. Tom's Hardware had a glowing review of the MuVo TX (non-FM), and their only gripe seemed to be the lack of an FM radio.
Anyone here own one? Seen a review? Heck, *written* a review? Link me please
Write cycle limits (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Write cycle limits (Score:3)
Sandisk (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Sandisk (Score:2)
Wha? (Score:3, Insightful)
Previously, most people had no idea what a Flash drive was, but now you can be sure to find most people with even a basic Flash drive in their pocket or purse.
Really?
As long we're operating on anecdote, in my office of about two dozen folks, two have a Flash drive. If you add iPods in the mix (as a easy file transport device) we go to five people. I wouldn't say most people quite yet.
Regarding the iPod shuffle... (Score:2)
Comment by Deffexor (Ars Audio/Visual Moderator):
The problem with including the iPod Shuffle in the review was that we then would have had to include a bunch of other USB based Audio players in the review. Then to make matters worse, we would have had to benchmark/test the audio players, etc. This article is already 12 pages and I wasn't going to push it beyond that...
The good news is that I'm planning a portable audio pla
Basically a good review, but... (Score:2)
Re:Basically a good review, but... (Score:3, Insightful)
Iomega Micro Mini drives are even smaller/better (Score:4, Interesting)
write protection switch (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:write protection switch (Score:4, Informative)
So my usb keyring is write protected most of the time.
What a lame comment. (Score:5, Insightful)
'10 days ago' isn't very old. The news is still relevent and interesting.
The job of the editors isn't to repost news articles as soon as they happen like some RSS newsfeed.
Re:Well done, Slashdot! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:iPod shuffle ... (Score:3, Funny)
And I'm not an old person in Korea.
Re:iPod shuffle ... (Score:5, Informative)
If they added mp3 players, the review would have grown from 12 devices to 30.
However, if I had a choice between a 512MB Flash Drive for $60, and a 512MB Flash Drive/mp3 player for $99, I would definately consider the latter.
Re:iPod shuffle ... (Score:5, Informative)
The prices of the reviewed drives (according to the comparison matrix at the end of the article) are $77, $120, $116, $138, $86, $127, $108, $80, and $80 for each of the 1GB models. Not only is EVERY drive reviewed cheaper than a 1GB iPod Shuffle, but 4 of the 1GB drives are cheaper than the 512MB iPod Shuffle. Don't get me wrong, I love my iPod Shuffle, but it is NOT cheaper than these drives.
MOD DOWN... not insightful, it's incorrect (Score:3, Insightful)
iPod shuffle=no display (Score:2)
The iPod shuffle is a low-cost Chinese-made MP3 player masquerading as a brand-name item and fashion statement, just because Apple is selling it.
not very good (Score:3, Insightful)
You can get lots of USB MP3 players that let you play MP3 files from the file system and that have a display.
Re:Whitelist (Score:4, Interesting)
In order to find out WTF you were talking about, I googled [google.com] your text... and got zilch. So what did you mean? And how can you identify a USB device in a video game... and why would they do this?
Re:Whitelist (Score:4, Informative)
The game in question is In The Groove [roxorgames.com]. The USB device whitelist is here [groovegame.com].
Re:Whitelist (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Whitelist (Score:2)
What is a 'pure flash drive' in comparison to any other USB storage device? What's the advantage in including a small subset of USB storage devices?
Also, how can they tell the difference?
Re:Whitelist (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:What we need is one universal standard (Score:2)
Zip Drive [google.ca] and Jaz Drive [google.ca] where what came of the effort, at the time I remember media being rather expensive.
Re:What we need is one universal standard (Score:2)
I am not talking about a new media that looks like a disk. I am talking about the disk. It is on every PC. That is what we need, something on every PC. The disk drive is the only hardware that has stayed the same for 2 decades on all PC's. We just needed the data capacity to double a few times. It could have happened with the media, and the same hardware
Re:What we need is one universal standard (Score:2)
Re:What we need is one universal standard (Score:2)
Your assumptions are kind of out-of-date.
Besides, even if your plan WAS used, the floppy drive in today's Dell *still* can't read anything bigger than 1.4 MB... so you'd have to replace the floppy drive, which is a LOT hardware than just plugging something into a USB port.
If you think USB memory sticks are fragile sticking out of the USB port, just buy a $4 USB extension cord and lay it down on your desk. Is
Re:What we need is one universal standard (Score:2)
Re:What we need is one universal standard (Score:3, Informative)
Also, are you serious about the floppy drive? Floppy drives are the slowest, most unreliable and generally worst form of storage I have ever used. In the late 90's there were numerous different replacements for the floppy, like Zips, Superdisks (something like that) etc. None of these caught on because nobody had a drive to read it. Now we have a system where 99.5% of all users can read your files from a US
Re:What we need is one universal standard (Score:2, Interesting)
Secondly, the last thing I'd call one of these devices is expensive. I recall it was about 2 years ago when I bought a 256MB SD Card (cheap one) for $139 canadian which was around $100 US back then. Today you can get a 1GB one for $100 US that is of decent quality and a top of the line 1GB for 100$ US.
Now, you may be saying WTF, that is expensive! you must
Re:What we need is one universal standard (Score:2)
I have a 128MB San Disk Cruzer Micro that cost me $25. It's half the size of my friends' flash drives and works just as well.
While standards are nice, floppy drives are not standard anymore. The disks are too big and too easy to
Re:What we need is one universal standard (Score:2)
eg. I had to install XP on a brand new machine. XP can't install directly on SATA and I didn't want to do my usual trick of having an old 30MB IDE drive as drive C, so I had to use the boot drivers that came on floppy that are for this purpose (The XP installer won't read a CD prior to installation, however it will read USB floppy drives... go figure).
I wouldn't store anything on
Re:What we need is one universal standard (Score:2)
Of course, if you really want to get modern space and performance out of a floppy drive, you could always do this [8k.com]. Good luck getting it on a keychain, though.
Re:What we need is one universal standard (Score:2)
We had 2.88meg drives over 10 years ago. Sony 2.88meg drives were stock on 486 series PS/2s by IBM. They used the same media as standard floppy but held twice as much. But they didn't catch on. Why, no bugger would buy them. Hell even fewer bought 5.25inch 2.44meg drives, and in fact only have
Re:What we need is one universal standard (Score:2)
Sony used to do an external MD-based data drive for PCs - but it cost like 500 dollars. Even at the time, for the amount of storage you got, it was ludicrously expensive.
I sometimes wonder how Sony manage to sell anything.
Standards are easier said than done (Score:2)
So you spend $30 on a USB hub that goes on top of the computer or on your desktop. Perhaps a USB port on the front of your machine is more convenient, but the fact some systems don't have them is hardly a major crisis.
There have be
Mod his post "Luddite" (Score:2, Funny)
Re:What we need is one universal standard (Score:2)
Re:What we need is one universal standard (Score:2, Insightful)
Man, what planet have you been living on? Have you tried using floppy discs lately?
Floppy discs have never given you 100% certainty and these days it's probably more like 20%. I practically never use them and when I do it becomes a long and tedious search to find a disc and drive that actually work. The drives ar