How Motherboards Are Made 215
Techno-consumerist writes "Ever wonder how motherboards are made? How all those little electronic bits and pieces are put in place, and how each board is tested? PCstats takes a look behind the scenes of the Nan-Ping Gigabyte factory in Taiwan, and documents the amazingly complicated process from start to finish. Very cool, but surprising about how much labour goes into each board."
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Re:Chinese Women are Hot - Not! (Score:2)
You are wierd.
Re:Chinese Women are Hot - Not! (Score:2)
Re:Did any of the articles mention (Score:2)
I've been living in Japan for three years now, so I'm used to it. If you think the ladies pictured are cute, then seeing twenty-year-olds would probably kill you.
Re:Did any of the articles mention (Score:2)
That is sooo HOT.
Re:You don't need their phone number - just use an (Score:5, Funny)
How do you know he's interested in their looks? This is slashdot - he probably just wants a free motherboard
I always thought.... (Score:3, Funny)
Where are the fatherboards? (Score:4, Funny)
Illegitimacy seems rife in the computing world! o_O
Re:Where are the fatherboards? (Score:2)
Re:Where are the fatherboards? (Score:5, Funny)
Thus they are kept in solitary confinement far from the eyes of the public and are used only to pump out offspring. It's solely for the XY86 chromosome, I'm sure.
Profit margin? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Profit margin? (Score:3, Informative)
Its way overpriced, i see...
Re:Profit margin? (Score:2)
Re:Profit margin? (Score:2)
What is your point?
yeah, they buy the stuff with mass rabattes. Yes, the stuff comes from cheap countries (or it would be even more expensive).
Chipsets are too expensive?
Well, you only need 200mm^2 of monocrystal SI fabbed a 0.13um grade fab (pricepoint 1Billion$ min). Even if it would cost nothing to grow the SI and run the vast cleanrooms (a cleanroom can cost a few millions per month only for the electricity of the blowers),also people work for free, no maintainmence, ect, you would need to sel
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It looks expensive? That's something I'd expect to hear from an uneducated, unwise, five year old kid. At most these plants cost tens of millions. And this is usually recovered within the first few months. And the operating costs other than salaries aren't much. They get raw material cheap
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Re:Profit margin? (Score:3, Interesting)
In the US you have to deal with all the lead and chemicals used in PCB manufacturing, in China, they basically flush it down the drain.
Re:Profit margin? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Profit margin? (Score:5, Informative)
And for some facts to back it up, take a look at Gigabyte's 2001 - 2002 financial statement at http://www.gigabyte.de/Company/Stock/pdf/fs_09300
Or to make it quick, in 2002 their overall gross profit margin was a mere 18%. $94,639,000(USD) / $498,739,000(USD) = 0.18975...
As a worker in the hardware industry I have the opportunity to see first hand the extreme pressure placed on workers to keep costs down all in the name of maintaining market share and sustainability. So you can imagine that when I hear some bozo from Microsoft telling the media that hardware manufacturers need to cut costs further because the cost of a PC with Windows is too expensive for the developing nations I look at the 80% profit margin at Microsoft and think that perhaps the solution is to dump the expensive Windows.
Anyhow, I'm starting to rant. I just wanted to point out that competition in the hardware industries is rather extreme and the result is very inexpensive components. In some cases they are inexpensive to the point at which sustainability of a business model becomes questionable.
burnin
Re:Profit margin? (Score:2)
Net profit will be smaller than gross and comes after deducting other expenses such as research and developement.
On the 2001 - 2002 financial statement for Gigabyte they factor in R&D expenses, general and selling expenses, interest expenses, taxes, and a few other items after the gross calculation. Basically what it comes dow
Re:Profit margin? (Score:2)
burnin
You are clueless, Sir (Score:3, Interesting)
Mobos lose money because margins are pathetic (and they're pathetic because of too much competition). And price competition is fierce not only in mobos but in virtually all components and parts that go into one (resistors, PCBs, capacitors, on-board chips, etc.). Even chipsets don't make money (at least in case of VIA - just look at their less-than-stellar results).
Because of all that, mobo manufacturers are extremely cost conscious.
For same reasons, there are almost
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MB most complex part? (Score:5, Insightful)
I dont know, I think the manufacturing process of the CPU and memory is slightly more complex. The entire process from wafer arrival to package shipments takes 2 to 3 month.
Re:MB most complex part? (Score:3, Insightful)
Yeah.
Where are the exotic industrial gases used? I'm assuming the stuff is used as a blanketing environment in the clean room manufacturing, but I don't really know.
I only help to design the plants that make the more mundane stuff like LOX, LIN etc. and never got involved in the really esoteric stuff.
Apparently, liquid nitrogen is used in the testing booths for checking operation at low temperatures.
Re:MB most complex part? (Score:4, Informative)
I think regular old non-exotic inert gases are used for environmental air wherever it's needed in the wafer chambers, like for ion deposition and the like.
Re:MB most complex part? (Score:2, Interesting)
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The 3 months turnover STARTS with finished, nicely polished monocrysal wafers.
The zone-melting and crystal growing stuff doesnt even count into it.
Nice poster (Score:5, Funny)
Check out that "fine motivational strategy" sign [pcstats.com] on page 10 [pcstats.com]...
Yay. I feel so motivated just reading it.
Re:Nice poster (Score:5, Insightful)
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Good advice (Score:2)
Re:Nice poster (Score:2)
I don't know about you, but I'd rather they don't make encourage mistakes big or small.
Motherboards most complex part of PC??? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Motherboards most complex part of PC??? (Score:5, Insightful)
Absolutely. A motherboard is a assembly of other parts. Although it requires some care to design it so all fits together, it is still just a assembly. Even southbridge is more complex than a motherboard...
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Re:Motherboards most complex part of PC??? (Score:2)
Re:Motherboards most complex part of PC??? (Score:2, Informative)
In fact, my brother operates such solder, and sees women mounting capacitors/etc. all day long - it is hard and very monotonic job.
Re:Motherboards most complex part of PC??? (Score:2)
You are SO wrong... go read it...
must be the same guy. (Score:5, Funny)
"Please Push and Pull the Door Tenderly"
Education required for designing these plants? (Score:2, Interesting)
Not that I'm an overoptimistic daydreamer but just curious..
Re:Education required for designing these plants? (Score:2)
Re:Education required for designing these plants? (Score:2)
Get your degree, then spend 10 years doing the legwork to get you enough experience, and maybe, just maybe, you'll end up designing a small part of a building like that.
Re:Education required for designing these plants? (Score:2)
Probably start with a degree in mechanical engineering and work up from there. Or just get an entry-level job as a janitor and work your way up via brown nosing. Of course, janitors at these places are likely a few levels up from emptying wastebaskets and fishing out unrepentant turds from toilet bowls.
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Re:Education required for designing these plants? (Score:3, Insightful)
This is NOT to say whoever designed and maintained such a plant do not have education. Most of them have advance degrees. Typical job opening needs a college degree just t
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Awesome (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Awesome (Score:2)
Too bad I only got to page 8 of TFA before the site got slashdotted. Oh well, I'll check it out later...
Re:Awesome (Score:2)
Re:Awesome (Score:2)
Check this site [stanford.edu] out. I think it has what you are looking for.
how much labour goes into each board (Score:4, Interesting)
For a long time, we have been able to build completely automated board facilities. Since the seventies, we have been able to build and test boards completely untouched by human hands. Automation is really expensive so even in North America such facilities are rare.
Re:how much labour goes into each board (Score:3, Interesting)
(1) The Intel (or nVidia, etc.) chipset - c $40
(2) Various other components from Murata, Rohm, etc. - $10
(3) Labour
(4) Land, rent
(5) Manufacturing equipment
(6) Employees used to make the mobo
(7) Employees in R&D
(8) Employees in sales and marketing
(9) Management
(10) Taxes
(11) Random other overheads (telecoms, bandwidth, auditing fees)
(12) Transportatio
check (Score:2, Funny)
Be happy but be aware (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Be happy but be aware (Score:2)
Prices there are often much cheaper (ie a two bedroom apartment in the city is 200-300 dollars), and when that is factored in, the people in Taiwan have a standard of living that is about equal to Americans, and exceeds it in some ways.
Testing (Score:4, Interesting)
Much like any engineering discipline. (Score:2)
Verification of correctness is very important, otherwise you get a poor reputation quickly and won't be purchased by people anymore. Unless you're a monopoly.
Stress Tested (Score:5, Funny)
Now I know why I've never had much luck with Gigabyte boards, they arn't tested to Australian climates, they really need to test these things in 50+C temperatures as you can bet my room in Australia gets that high in summer.
Re:Stress Tested (Score:5, Funny)
Actually, I think you'll find your problem is that Gigabyte motherboards aren't designed to work upside-down.
readme: (Score:2)
you thanks us.
Other factories (Score:5, Informative)
Interesting... (Score:3, Informative)
Writter oversimplified PCB Process (Score:5, Informative)
For the ignorant ones, the making of the PCB's themselves is not a simple process. Think about the traces you see on the surface, then place about 4-6 layers on top of each other. The fact that the PCB's are outsourced takes a huge load off the remaining process.
Re:Writter oversimplified PCB Process (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Writter oversimplified PCB Process (Score:2)
I wouldn't have minded seeing that part of the process. Modern boards have zillions of layers for circuitry, power distribution, grounding and shielding. It must take some doing to get them right, let alone manufacture them.
The first Pentium I
Re:Writter oversimplified PCB Process (Score:2)
Coral CDN (Score:3, Informative)
Spare that poor server, use a mirror from Coral CDN [coralcdn.org]
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Live Facility Tour? (Score:2, Interesting)
well you see (Score:2)
Re:well you see (Score:2)
high tech (Score:2)
*yawn* (Score:2)
Sure the end products may vary, but in principle they are all about the same.
Pretty boring stuff.
Doesn't surprise me, the MB *is* the computer (Score:2)
The CPU is obviously important, but it's almost secondary to the duties that modern mainboards perform.
What?! You mean.... (Score:2)
But... but... but.. What's all this talk of 'transistors'? And what am I going to do with all this extra duct tape I bought to fix things in there when it breaks?
I'm a little afraid to open it now, and I thought I'd just worked up the courage.
[sigh] Now what? [/sigh]
Temperature control and other notes (Score:2)
It looks like they put their automation budget into the SMT part of the operation. The components with leads are inserted by hand. Automated machinery exists for those jobs, but they may not want to be stuck with
All that work but.... (Score:2, Funny)
Have you ever updated BIOS by yourself? Or like many other people, you just know what BIOS is, but always hesitate to update it? Because you think updating newest BIOS is unnecessary and actually you don't know how to update it.
Maybe not l
Re:All that work but.... (Score:2)
lol, yep this really is in their newest manuals. and i think it looks horribly unprofessional, but maybe english speaking retail market is small enough for them not to care? Do G-B have much OEM market share? i wonder what their spanish, french etc. translations are like.. if they're translated from the English, it makes you wonder
Just bought a Gigabyte board be
Last one out please turn off the light.... (Score:2, Interesting)
1. Local regulations concerning emissions and chemical handling
2. State/ Federal regulations
3. Local colleges/ school providing trained labor
4. Managers who know how to manage and make good decisions.
This article could have been written in the late 70's early 80's about any of the hi tech businesses that used to dot the Silicon Valley or Route 128 belt .This looked like the DECs, Teradynes, Western Electric/ LUcent/ATT , Wangs and Prime Computers of the 70s and 80s Circa 198
Ever wonder how motherboards are made? (Score:2)
How naïve. Motherboards are constructed by a series of blowjobs.
(stolen from Mr. Show [tvtome.com], like most good things.)
As corny as this may sound (Score:2)
Being the Gigabyte factory (Score:3, Funny)
Re:PCB (Score:5, Funny)
Re:PCB (Score:5, Informative)
Google define:PCB [google.com]
It works with plain words too : this one could be of some use to the average
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Awom
Re:PCB (Score:3, Funny)
No respect I tell ya. Here are some (admittedly selective) excerpts:
Re:PCB (Score:2)
In the interest of brevity you can find the deffinition in the top right hand corner of your screen if you just type in
PCB
or
Woman
Results 1 - 20 of about 105,000,000 for woman [definition]. (0.09 seconds)
ymmv, works for me about 90% of the time.
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Re:Yawn..... (Score:2, Interesting)
True, but what's up with the blue boards? They've been green for 20+ years, and yet in the past couple of years they've all been coming out blue. Are they using different materials of some sort, or is it just stylistic?
Solder resist (Score:2)
Re:Yawn..... (Score:3, Interesting)