BIOS-Approved PCI Cards For Laptops 482
derek_farn writes "First there were printers that would would only work with vendor annointed ink cartridges; now we have laptops that will only boot with vendor annointed PCI cards. Keeping a list of approved PCI cards in the bios is one way of ensuring that customers renew their maintenance contracts. How else are they going to be able to plug in a PCI card released after the last BIOS update?" My HP laptop is several years old; can anyone confirm this?
IBM Thinkpads are the same way (Score:5, Interesting)
But forget trying to buy a random 802.11 a/b/g card and plug it in.
HP is (in)famous for this sort of thing (Score:5, Interesting)
Since I got it (used), it always printed a warning that non-HP DIMMs were detected, and HP's on-site warranty didn't cover problems caused by non-HP memory.
Then two of the DIMMs failed, so I popped the lid.
You guessed it. HP memory.
At least the motherboard was kind enough to turn on a flashing light next to the bad DIMMS. (Seriously)
IBM has been doing it for years! (Score:3, Interesting)
Sucks, but what to you really expect? (Score:3, Interesting)
Good reason not to purchase ANY HP/Compaq product from the Carly era, isn't it. Tough break there, but when you purchase something that's supposedly 'commodity', and then realize that it has a very, very short list of 'accepted' expansion options, you've done this to yourself.
Personally, I'm a big IBM Thinkpad fan, plug in all type's of card's into them, and as long as I have driver support, I have no issues, be it XP, Linux, or any of the BSD's (of course, this changes with what hdd I plug in the laptop at the time).
Incompatibility List? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:IBM Thinkpads are the same way (Score:5, Interesting)
Linuxbios? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:IBM Thinkpads are the same way (Score:5, Interesting)
Mini PCI was never intended for end users (Score:5, Interesting)
Linksys knows (Score:2, Interesting)
Can anyone make the connection?
Re:IBM has been doing it for years! (Score:5, Interesting)
I think this is simply because we don't expect openness with Apple. Their hardware is generally proprietary, while PC hardware is not.
This will lead to... (Score:3, Interesting)
For all of you about to say: "Well, that's against the DMCA...", true, but that hasn't stopped the widespread distribution of region-free hacked DVD firmware has it?
Flash - gotta love it!
Apple doesn't advertise mini-PCI (Score:3, Interesting)
Can they call it mini-PCI? (Score:4, Interesting)
Compatibility (Score:2, Interesting)
Restricting add-on cards in a laptop to approved cards will ease support issues, by assuring that a laptop will work with that card (as opposed to a support technician requiring you to remove your add-on cards before you get support). In the end, customers get a more reliable laptop with some expandability choices.
Re:IBM Thinkpads are the same way (Score:4, Interesting)
After a bit of research I managed to patch my BIOS to get around the problem - at least till I apply a BIOS update in the future.
If I had know of this beforehand, I would have seriously considered a different laptop. The problem is there are no warnings, and the specs claim the laptop has a miniPCI slot - which would make one assume it is compatible with any card which follows the miniPCI standard.
Re:Confirm? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Workaround (Score:5, Interesting)
FCC (Score:2, Interesting)
x1000 (Score:4, Interesting)
It happened to me when I upgraded from an intel 2100 wireless card to an intel 2200 wireless pci card in an eight month old Compaq X1000 laptop. Rolling back to an older bios "fixed" the problem.
More info here: http://www.x1000forums.com/index.php?showtopic=573 9 [x1000forums.com]
Today's lesson: Don't buy Compaq.
Re:Funny. Pontiac Sufire = Asuna= Chev Cavalier (Score:3, Interesting)
Wrong (Score:3, Interesting)
In some cases, the card would work fine if there were an OS-specific driver for it. The vendor's decision not to write one isn't Apple's fault.
I'm not striving for unrestrained Apple fanboydom here, but let's get real. The fact that Apple doesn't build generic x86 computers that are interchangeable doesn't make them proprietary - they've just made different architectural choices that impact what will work with their products. NuBus wasn't proprietary, for instance - it was industry standard. It just wasn't used by x86 vendors. But it was technically superior to 8/16 bit ISA, so Apple used it until it made more sense to move to PCI. They also used SCSI to gain an technical advantage over older-generation PC drive technology - there were clear speed advantages to SCSI for a long time until newer ATA implementations caught up. At which point Apple switched and lowered their costs in doing so.
They also helped drive the move to USB, popularized Firewire, added standard Ethernet on everything before any x86 vendors, and added a dedicated slot and antenna for wireless before anyone.
There's plenty of useful stuff to rip on Apple about without the misinformed "proprietary hardware" red herring.
There. I feel much better now
Re:Nothing to see here... (Score:3, Interesting)
I take an interest as one of my machines is a 2000-built designer PC (AST Century City) which only has mini-PCI and USB 1.1... hoping Intel BIOS from the time doesnt have whitelisting!
bios updates (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:IBM Thinkpads are the same way (Score:3, Interesting)
I've very suprised that companies have begun to advertise otherwise, especially if they're required by the FCC to lock out untested wireless networking cards.
Re:Yes, by all means (Score:3, Interesting)
I won't argue that many clones were pretty shoddily made, though.
Re:IBM Thinkpads are the same way (Score:2, Interesting)
Magnussen Moss - Time to Sue (Score:3, Interesting)
In short, you have the makings of a class action lawsuit on your hands. Get the to a slimy lawyer. They'll be in the phone book under "D" for democrat.
Dumb reasoning (Score:2, Interesting)
Any user who goes to the trouble to replace a miniPCI card knows they are taking out SUPPORTED HARDWARE and replacing it with UNSUPPORTED HARDWARE. A user would not expect support from HP regarding the operation of an Apple iPod nor should he expect support for hardware that didn't come with the computer.
Hello? PCMCIA Anyone? (Score:2, Interesting)
Honestly, the things we get worked up over...
Re:Thank you for purchasing... (Score:2, Interesting)
The Corvette Z06 just falls off the road according to recall number 04V273000. The steering linkage simply falls apart and causes the driver to lose control of the car.
The lower control arm ball stud/nut washers were made of defective materials and disintegrate, thus leaving the Corvette to slam down on its own wheels and at 120mph, a VERY bad thing. It may also cause the wheel to seperate completely from its attachment.
In recall notice 04V060000, the steering column locks and due to an unchecked circuit, voltage is not read correctly and enables the Corvette to accelerate while failing to shut-off the fuel pump and the steering columns is locked in any position. If the brick wall doesn't stop you, maybe the crappy steering linkage will!