Most Common Ways to Kill a PC 593
Sparky the Service Center Dude writes "PCstats covers the most common ways to kill a PC in this "what not to do" guide. Everything from exploding capacitors, to cat hair, to dodgy components and overclocking account for users killing their own PC's. The most common PC killer? The Power Supply."
Obligatory Strongbad: (Score:5, Funny)
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Most common ways to kill a PC
See previous article, regarding Windows Longhorn Beta.
Forget the shostgun! (Score:3, Funny)
"Remove me, unsubscribe, take me offa list"
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/. it? (Score:5, Funny)
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Yep... It's dead alright.
danger! (Score:5, Funny)
I'm tearing mine out right now!
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Most common problems (Score:5, Informative)
26% PSU and power issues
23% Bad gear and user negligence
13% Heatsink related
15% Assembly and moving
10% Lightning strike and static
3% Computer cruelty
6% USB related
2% Overclocking
Re:Most common problems (Score:5, Funny)
Gunshot.
Had a drive from a puter which was shot "it ran too slow".
-nB
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Obligatory Bubs quote (Score:3, Funny)
Water In Monitor (CRT)! (Score:5, Interesting)
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Halfway into the slot?
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It depends. Has the warranty expired yet?
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Ironically, this one was 10 dollars more than the non-hot-pluggable one, but I never found any advantage in it.
PSU, Heart of the system (Score:5, Informative)
What people must understand is that they need a PSU that have the most stable rails (such as the +5 & +12 rails) and that isn't made by Mr. Bingo Bongo. Sure you can save around $20-30 going with a cheaper PSU but that action is a gamble. Are you a gambler? My friend sure was. Bought some power supply made by some unknown manufacturer and he's still surprised that it was the cause of his exploding CD-Rom.
People in general should take power supply reviews more seriously and consider to spend the extra bucks to hafve something that will work for years as you want it to.
Re:PSU, Heart of the system (Score:5, Insightful)
The spec's written on most el-cheapo Chinese PSU's are about as accurate and truthfull as the wattage claims written on the box of those $25 "1000 WATT" PC speakers you bought at the local PC market. The difference being that if you blow up your craptastic speakers you just need to buy new speakers, but a bad PSU can cause you to re-purchase a completely new PC.
It amazes me the number of "tech heads" out there who will pay AU$900 for a top of the line GPU (just to gain another 3fps in Doom 3) but will try to run it and their P4EE off a $15 SangChoyBow "500 WATT" powersupply.
Incredible.
Re:PSU, Heart of the system (Score:4, Informative)
At one of my jobs, a client had a lab full of fairly new computers with cheapo supplies. I kid you not: within 1 year, 25 out of 40 supplies failed and in three cases the motherboard and CPU were destroyed in the process. When I came onboard, I made it a policy that any machine found to crash at random would immediately have its supply yanked and replaced with a quality one. (indication of pending failure..) User complaints dropped rapidly as reliability instantly went up.
What people must understand is that they need a PSU that have the most stable rails (such as the +5 & +12 rails) and that isn't made by Mr. Bingo Bongo. Sure you can save around $20-30 going with a cheaper PSU but that action is a gamble.
It's not even just stable rails. (although this is one indication of quality..) I've found by examination of fried supplies that the cheapo varieties don't have much in the way of protection circuitry. All power supplies die at some point. That's a given. The quality ones just die gracefully and don't take the rest of your hardware with them.
As for price, the amazing thing is that there's not always that much difference between a quality budget supply and a total garbage one. I've found 300W Fortron (FSP-300) supplies in the $25-30 range. They're not top of the line, but I've yet to have a problem either.
Re:PSU, Heart of the system (Score:3, Informative)
On my System which is:
Athlon XP2400+
4x SCSI HD
CDwriter
DVD ROM,
Soundblaster Audigy (with external Audigy Box powered from the computer)
Radeon 9600, plus a lot of other toys such as wireless kb& mouse, card readers, etc..
I used to get many blue screens on XP. Since i had a supposedly good 350 Watt Powersupply, which in fact it WAS a good powersupply, just not ENOUGH at full load. I thought at first it was just crappy XP, because Linux seemed to work better.... (actually it was because the pow
PSU and power issues? I can't imagine that. (Score:5, Funny)
Last week's issues:
#1 - Call from remote office. Server isn't working.
Office manager was cold, so she bought a 1500W electric space heater. She needed a place to plug it in and there just happened to be an empty outlet on the UPS that fed the server, which was conveniently located right across the hall from her office.
Plug in heater, heater kicks on, high current starts, battery backup melts down, and server goes into SSF mode (Sparks, Smoke, and Flames). RAID card burned out and the machine is pretty much toasted. Defintely a power issue.
That office needed a new server anyway.
#2 - Call from dentist's office. Computers won't connect to the network and they are getting weird errors. Drop by office to inspect. Reboot computers and everything seems to work fine.
Network swtich and router are located in a cabinet in the darkroom. There is a single cable that comes out of that cabinet from the UPS that feeds the network equipment. They are short on outlets in the darkroom.
When some of the employees need to use the film duplicator, their solution is to unplug this plug that doesn't seem to connect to anything important. (Never mind that beeping sound in the background!)
Network doesn't instantly fail, since the equipment stays on UPS for ten minutes. Since they don't have instant feedback to realize that what they're doing is bad, they never associate the bad action (pulling the plug) with the bad event (all computers quit working).
Power issues. Yep. Sheesh!
Modem (Score:5, Interesting)
Lightning usually doesn't even have to enter into it. Everytime the phone rings you get voltage running into your PC.
Once I heard a long ring and the PC never turned back on (well, for a year at least. Later the machine was revived but using any PCI slot mysteriously disabled DMA. On a 333Mhz machine you can imagine boot times).
Another killer was USB related too. Microsoft's Trackball Optical [microsoft.com] cable shorts out occasionaly which for some reason killed my $3000 custom-built PC about 3 years ago. Someone here on Slashdot told me I can get a refund or some sort of offer but it wasn't worth the hassle.
Keyboard BIOS (Score:3, Interesting)
Much testing later (involving a POST card and some mix-and-match with an ide
Re:Keyboard BIOS (Score:3, Informative)
It doesn't. I did the math once on the Surge protectors I was selling at Sears -- the best one we had, with the $20K protection policy -- it could handle 2500 joule if I recall.
Assuming room temperature and nice even numbers (so 25 deg C), that could boil:
2500_J ~= 600 cal.
600cal/(75deg C) = 8
That is a whopping 8 ml of water.
How much energy you think is in that lightning bolt traveling d
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Re:Most common problems (Score:5, Funny)
Darn, i'll have to avoid the mov instruction from now on.
A complete list? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Ha... haaaa... (Score:3, Funny)
Yeah I'll second that: I have Windows installed on my PC and it's never failed me ever since I installed Linux on my other partition!
Re:Ha... haaaa... (Score:3, Insightful)
Simple solution: Change all the shortcuts with the big blue "e" and point them to Firefox.
You have to look at users like Pavlov looked at dogs [essortment.com]
Elvis Technique (Score:4, Funny)
In my opinion (Score:4, Interesting)
The #1 killer: (Score:5, Funny)
Let me guess, they tested out the "Most Common Ways to Kill a PC" on the web servers, eh?
Interesting (Score:5, Funny)
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Once you've seen the gooey orange stuff, you'll be thankful for mere hairballs.
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Either way, they say licking it off is the best way to get rid of it.
User Negligence (Score:4, Funny)
Now, his living spaces tend to be trash heaps; it was only constant nagging from his ex-fiancee and me that kept mold from growing in their room when he was living with us. So this did not surprise me at all when he told me what happened...
For whatever reason, ants decided to visit his computer. Ants. I guess he might have spilled something in there, probably Mountain Dew. He saw the ants crawling in and out of his computer, didn't pay much attention to it, and turned the thing on.
Poof. Fried.
I laughed at him.
An ex of mine wound up with a few extra chips in his computer (chocolate and dorito) owing to leaving it open, but never before or again have I heard of ants infesting someone's computer.
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I assume you got something like swamp cooler filters, or force-air heater filters? either should work well -- not so fine-grained as to get clogged with microdust, but sufficient to catch any lint, cat hair, etc.
However, I've never bothered addin
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That's why big, slow, quiet intake fans (with easily-cleaned external and accessible filters - I.E., panty hose held in place with a clip-on finger/cat paw/infant toe shield) sucking lots of CFM is the next big thing in PC cooling.
As long as static pressure is taken into account, this can be a nice, easy retrofit kit for existing removeable case sides. I was going to draw and upload a concept drawing but my scanner isn't working.
If you are interested in R&D and have bucks I also have a relatively c
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The keyboard lock.. (Score:5, Interesting)
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I remeber when my employer had one computer that kept locking up (usually after several hours of unsaved editing). A similar technique was used to get it going again.
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When kids are 12 years old, I can see it a little, but 22-25? Cripes. I wanted to punch him in the head and it wasn't even my car.
Re:The keyboard lock.. (Score:3, Informative)
But insurance companies don't lose money, they just spread the losses around to other customers - which, in this case, is everyone else who rents a car. IOW, me.
Re:The keyboard lock.. (Score:3, Insightful)
Ever wonder why products with a 3 year warranty cost more than products with 1 year warranty? It's rarely because of higher manufacturing costs. It's because manufacturers are factoring the increased likelyhood of failure into their sale price.
When little f*cknuckles like the grandparent decide it's fun to start breaking hardware for no particular reason, the cost of their vandalism isn't magically dis
One easy way not on the list (Score:3, Funny)
2. Post link to it on Slashdot
The very, very, very best way... (Score:3, Funny)
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Corrupted Power Absolution (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Corrupted Power Absolution (Score:4, Interesting)
Not only do cheap PSUs introduce stability issues, but a lot of PSUs take things down with them when they blow.
My favorite example is an absolutely spectacular one involving my brother's friend. He had a 1.4Ghz Athlon (back when that was impressive), along with the requisite DVD, CD-Burner, brand new GeForce 3; the whole nine yards. The PSU blew. Both optical drives ejected and shot sparks from inside. HDDs presumably lost their motors (they never spun up again). Mobo died, CPU died, sound card died. The only thing that survived was the video card, which was at least a small consolation since it was still top-of-the-line.
PSU replacements did tend to be my second most common hardware repair (HDDs were first), and most of the time they didn't damage anything, but I saw enough problems then that I'll only buy reputable PSUs now.
Re:Corrupted Power Absolution (Score:3, Informative)
Additionally, reviews that place heavy/out-of-spec loads or nasty input power on PSUs tend to arrive at a similar conclusion.
On top of all of that, anecdotal evidence does tend to place Antec's products at the top of the pack, in terms of reliability.
Enermax also seems to do quite well in "round-up" reviews.
This is so true. (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, I know it was replaceable, I didn't have any money.
Re:This is so true. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:This is so true. (Score:3, Funny)
You see, this is why I refuse to wear a wristwatch. Haven't had one for twenty years, I'm too afraid of accidentally wasting some beer.
The power supply... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:The power supply... (Score:3, Funny)
They excluded girlfriends as they aren't a common enough threat, but I have to agree with you about parents and siblings...
Children do the darndest things (Score:3, Funny)
Water/Coitus (Score:3, Insightful)
"OMG! I was just having a drink and chatting with my girlfriends online, and I accidentally spilled it on my laptop! Daddy, buy me a new one!"
On several occaions, I have also run across a laptop that was damaged during...um...let's just say "coital activities". Those definitely make the hall of fame.
Re:Water/Coitus (Score:4, Funny)
College you say? Hate to break it to you man, those were all coitally related damage. The 'spilled water' group just tried to clean up first
Two words... (Score:3, Insightful)
Mirrordot copy (Score:5, Informative)
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When is somebody going to come up with the torrent:// protocol? ( serious question )
Pah! (Score:3, Funny)
Salt (Score:3)
Solomon Chang
Nearly burned down my house (Score:5, Interesting)
Anyway they arrived in a couple of minutes and went inside and put it out. Luckily there were two windows open and a good breeze blowing in one and our the other so the damage was minimal (all smoke went straight out the window).
The PC was completetly incinerated though, I've never seena anything like it, the hard drive was actually warped from the heat generated in that steel case. The plastic fascia was gone, just, not there any more, the motherboard, well what loosly resembled one was pretty much ash. The solder holding the ICs obviously melted and they had popped off etc. Luckily, it wasn't my PC, and it was only an old P200 or something, or I'd be up shit creek.
It burned right through the carpet immediatly under the case, and burnt a good impression into the wooden floor beneath. Burnt a chunk out of a couch next to it, but it was caught early enough that there wasn't really any other damage.
I can't see what caused it, the heat generated inside the case was incredibly intense, basically anything inside it that could vaporise, did.
Let it be a warning - install smoke alarms near your PC if you leave it running unattended.
Re:Nearly burned down my house (Score:3, Funny)
(kidding)
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Re:Nearly burned down my house (Score:5, Funny)
<voice char="Agent Smith">
What good is a smoke alarm when you are unable to hear?
</voice>
Re:Nearly burned down my house (Score:4, Interesting)
I have read around the net recently several cases of fires happening (but someone was near the PC and shut it off right away, then saw where the smoke came from (around the board where the eletrolyte had spilled out of the pop'd capacitor) after opening it.
Urban legend or is this going to be more of a problem as PCs from this era start exhibiting this problem more as their capacitors 'expire'?
Re:Nearly burned down my house (Score:3, Interesting)
Well, the "exploding capacitors" that I've seen, are really more along the lines of "leaky capacitors" (hey, given the choice between "leaky" and "exploding", which one do you think people are going to use? ;-). The e
Re:Nearly burned down my house (Score:3, Interesting)
Crap caps? Highly likely! (Score:3, Informative)
I popped open one of the failed PSUs once and found that, yes indeed, the blown caps were made by that company in Taiwan.
If your machine has a PSU from Deer, replace the unit ASAP, even if it's working fine right now. It will eventually fail.
Re:Nearly burned down my house (Score:3, Interesting)
I know someone whose old Mac's PSU caught fire -- flames shot out the back and caught the curtains and wall behind it on fire too! Fortunately she had a kitchen-sized fire extinguisher that got it under control before the fire department arrived, tho a chunk of the wall had to be replaced. Amazingly, the hard disk survived this abuse, with no d
Re:Nearly burned down my house (Score:3, Insightful)
I have a few questions that could pretty easily narrow down the cause.
First, did you have the computer on a surge protector or UPS? If so, was it still working properly aftwards, or did it show that it needed to be replaced?
Did your power supply's fuse blow, or not? All the power supplies I've ever taken apart have had fuses.
If the fuse didn't blow, and the surge protector/UPS wasn't overloaded, then just about
Re:Nearly burned down my house (Score:3, Informative)
True Story (Score:5, Funny)
One day our secretary comes to me and says her keyboard isn't working properly. I just assume it died naturally and so I grab a replacement from a pile in my cupboard and hand it over. 30 minutes later she comes back and says that the one I gave her is broken too. Now that seems strange, so I go to her system and do a full check, thinking that either her motherboard is faulty, or something is shorting out the keyboards, or she has some practical joke walware like the old Amiga virus which re-mapped keystrokes but only if you typed fast enough. After a thorough check, I confirm her system is OK and both keyboards are indeed dead. I take another spare keyboard from the cupboard, test it on my computer first to make sure it works properly, and then give it to her. 5 minutes later I decide I better check to see if it's OK, so I walk over to her desk just in time to see her take a bottle of spray'n'wipe, spray a massive amount directly into the keys, wipe them off, then bang the keyboard upside down against the edge of her desk to dislogde any dirt which may have been there.
The 3rd keyboard she got that day was a new one so she didn't have the urge to clean it. It still works.
The funny thing is that I felt an immense sense of relief knowing why they broke. 3 keyboards "mysteriously" dying in an hour is something I don't understand and makes me nervous, however stupidity is something I do understand and just accept.
Re:True Story (Score:5, Funny)
Eventually he just called it a loss and sold all the parts to other people in the dorm (I still use that sound card too!). Later I discovered that the case itself was cursed. Not even kidding! Nothing would run out of it, ever. It has the amazing ability to render any setup inoperable, even with a new PSU. Discovering this, I of course did the logical thing and gave it to a guy I didn't like very much who was building a computer himself.
Hydualic Press (Score:5, Funny)
To quote my friend "I didn't know if I should call the cops or laugh, but it made a great paper weight"
killer cats (Score:3, Interesting)
But I would guess the biggest PC killer is brownouts. I worked at a startup for a while where the admin chose not to use any surge protectors on our computers. I suppose he assumed because we were in a fairly modern office complex that they had clean lines. It took him a bit to figure out why he had to keep supplying me with new power supplies every few weeks after the previous one would die.
CD-ROM Digital port (Score:3, Funny)
Anyways, he thought it needed to be plugged in somewhere and what better place than the little 2-pin port on the back of a CD-ROM drive.
It looked like it was meant to be plugged in there because it fit, and he decided to turn the computer on.
White smoke was everywhere. Something inside the power supply exploded, killing the cdrom drive, and everything in the computer.
That just goes to show that even if the plug fits, it might not always be the right place to put it.
Surge Protectors (Score:3, Informative)
When I came home from work, I smelled ozone and burnt plastic. Looking around I noticed that the surge protector power supply plug was melted and fused to the wall socket. Though ruined, the surge protector did its job. Nothing attached to it was affected by the lightning strike that hit the powerline outside.
How to destroy your computer (Score:3, Funny)
Cat vomit (Score:3, Funny)
more (Score:3, Interesting)
I've cooked about 6 AMD XP's. Even with heatsink fitted properly. Heatsinks can be backwards and gap not really visible. They crumble too.
Re:Mirrordot? (Score:5, Funny)
While in itally or (any other country that uses 230 volt power) switch the "voltage" switch on your power supply from 230 to 115 while the computer is running, a bright blue spark will fly out and you will have successfully screwed your computer.
(I actually proved this while in CAD class in high school)
Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: (Score:3, Insightful)
My failures: (Score:3, Informative)
2000: HDD
2004: PSU
That's it - since 1985! The CD was broken by impact. The HDD was garbage from Quantum, may they rot in hell. The PSU was overworked and gave up. It took the mobo with it, but not the RAM or CPU.
The worst part is that I only upgrade when I get a failure or when the parts are horribly antiquated. (My last upgrade was in 2002.)
Re:Components that have failed in my PCs: (Score:3, Insightful)
These days, yes, back in the old days pre ATX, when PC's had turbo buttons and "megahurtz LED displays" the powerswitch was often on the front of the case and their was 240 power being routed to the front panel. Ofetn times you had to remove the front panel so you could get to the powerswitch which also had to be removed, and occasionally you had to unsolder and resolder the switch back on to the power switch leads.
It could be quite the PITA I assure
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Re:Entire glass of coke (Score:4, Interesting)
I only witnessed this act twice and it still gives me shivers.
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Re:Power Supplies (Score:3)