Nanotech Research Works Toward Artificial Muscles 127
An anonymous reader writes "Nanotech researchers are developing artificial muscles that convert chemical energy to mechanical energy. This ambitious project aims at making an artificial muscles from conducting polymers and carbon nanotubes that are chemically powered, like natural muscles, and exceed the force generation, contraction and speed of their natural counterpart. This work will lead to advanced limbs for amputees and robots."
Super strong muscles (Score:5, Funny)
Strong muscles without the need to exercise. Sounds like a geek's dream come true huh? Except that one must keep in mind certain dangly appendages that could be torn off if you aren't careful with those new bulging biceps. And what about joints, could they handle the extra stress of markedly increased muscle strength? Like you go to pick up your car and your arms pop out of their sockets. Ouch.
Re:Super strong muscles (Score:3, Interesting)
Which is why the next step is obviously artifical bones, ligaments, and tendons.
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I suspect there are probably a number of materials that would serve reliably in a replacement joint if they didn't have to function within the human body. Tissue rejection is a major issue, and that limits what you can put in there. Plus which human tissue is hardly chemically neutral, so I suppose you'd have to worry about corrosive effects as well. Titanium is used a lot (my Dad's pacemaker was made of the stuff) and is one of the few substances that isn't affected much by the environment of the body and doesn't trigger an autoimmune reaction. Or so his doctor told me.
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But it is routinely used for tooth replacement:
In the first stage of the treatment, you will get a titanium "foundation" implanted in your jaw but not an tooth prosthesis on top of it.
That "foundation" is left alone for some months, and you have to get along with the gap in your teet
Re:Super strong muscles (Score:2)
And brains.
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Besides, joint research isn't so far behind artificial muscle research these days.
mnb Re:Super strong muscles (Score:2, Insightful)
The four of them combined have less surface area contacting my driveway than one of my Euro sized 45 shoes.
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Cool! Now try balancing that load.
And when you walk, the weight shifts dynamically, and can get focused on just a few square inches. (Or less, if you're Wonder Woman and wearing heels.) I'd expect a lot of crappy roads wouldn't handle that well.
Besides, the bus probably isn't designed to be supported by a fe
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Marco: Robot body? No way! That goes against the natural order.
Sparks: Well, you'd have the strength of five men.
Marco: I got that now!
Murphy: Not five men, five gorillas! But, since you're that strong, if you try to pet a kitten, you'd crush it.
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Sparks: don't expect any mercy during the great robot wars
Hesh: yeah, well have fun on the robot reservations, suckers! we're not gonna honor those bogus treaties!
--pause--
Sparks: he's right
Marco: listen! its time to get serious.
Captain Murphy: yeah enough of this talk, lets kill humans!
Re:Super strong muscles (Score:2, Insightful)
I think men who paid for the super muscles instead of working out (and didn't have any missing limbs in the first place) would just be a laughingstock to people like me. They would be like girls who get their fathers to pay $3000 for them to get increasingly large breasts. A guy who had a much smaller body might be more appealing just for being more real.
For people with less than two arms and two legs, this sounds good
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That's what you can expect if such technology reached the market.
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Some day you'll emerge from your mom's basement, squinting through your eyes at the blinding rays of full daylight, and soon thereafter you'll discover that it's usually HUSBANDS who are paying those $3000 surgery bills.
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If the final product were better in all ways than the natural, then from my viewpoint I'd laugh at somebody who spent all their time working out to enhance their natural muscles and still failed to reach the performance & reliability of the artificial ones.
Then again, until we can make self-repairing prosthetics (at least able to repair
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But the name... (Score:4, Funny)
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http://www.kerensky.tierranet.com/btech/mechlab/o
Star Leauge for life.
We're on our way... (Score:2)
I really do hope that this is turns into a viable solution for amputees. Combining this with the recent advances in nerve and motor control research should produce some very interesting products. I'm thinking a specialized appendage for using the mouse whilest I type. Then again, a USB port into the brain would be easier.
Jerry
http://www.syslog.org/ [syslog.org]
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Jerry http://www.syslog.org/ [syslog.org]
Re:We're on our way... (Score:3, Funny)
picture the scene, you tentatively consider that new purchase so marvellously reduced in price when a voice cracks out behind you
"move away from that sale counter sonny, put down the sale item and stand away from the counter. You have 10 seconds to comply..."
yes its Granny 209 , shes armed and dangerous...
Really? (Score:3, Funny)
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What about implants? (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm no expert in this field - I'm merely speculating. Feel free to totally bash my idea. Is this even possible, though?
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Zaphod Beeblybrox anyone?
At least they could get a realistic way for him to have 3 arms in the movie
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Your nervous system is intricately linked to every other part of your body: bones, muscles, balance, brain, immune system, skin - you name it. It has also grown with you for your entire life, adapting to the minute changes that take place throughout your body's growing and aging process. It subtly adapts to these changes. When a person grows too quickly,
Re:What about implants? (Score:3, Interesting)
For instance this [dukemednews.org] little experiment.
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http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9901/29/hand.transplant
This was back in 1999.
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Neuromorphic tail (Score:3, Interesting)
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interesting...
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Come other to your grandma and ask what she thinks about adding a 3rd arm to a person so that he can be more productive at work, more proficient in his hobby, for aesthetical reasons or so that he can masturbate
Artificial muscle == holy grail (Score:2)
The best they could come up with for powerful movements is this pneumatic device [manufacturing.net], which is a braided sleeve with a rubber balloon inside: when the balloone expands, it pulls the fibers in the braided sleeve apart, and therefore the overall length of the device shrinks and the device f
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Something similar (Score:1, Interesting)
We can rebuild him.. (Score:5, Funny)
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you utter complete git
you total absolute and complete bastard.
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Ive now got the theme tune to the Bionic man inside my head now and It wont stop. To top it all i re read the artical and all i could see in my minds eye was frame stepped slow motion and the gchzk gchzk gczk boing boing judder sound effects playing in my minds inner ear ! im not going to sleep now.
Still at least it can claim to have a theme tune more memorable than flake , sorry Jake 2.0.
This is Great for Baseball (Score:5, Funny)
This sig is my best one.
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xrays as part of drugs tests?
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Sounds more realistic (Score:5, Interesting)
Few issues which still need to be resolved:
(a) How to place and grow nanotubes precisely ? Even after 14 years we struggle with that.
(b) How does carbon nanotube interacts with biology in human body ? What are the side effects ?
(c) Need to find an easy way of making conducting vs semiconducting nanotubes.
(d) Fuel cell efficiency. They have only said that they can convert the chemical energy to mechanical energy, but how well ?
(e) Ethical issue: This may not be a big deal if that person with artificial limbs can generate 100 times more force with no effort and break anyone's neck. But I am sure once we start augmenting human brain with more computational power (may be carbon nanotubes are faster than neurons, use them !!), then we may have to rethink !!
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Basic Mechanics (Score:5, Insightful)
It seems these guys haven't heard of the way you convert force to distance and vis versa.
It's called the "leverage" and its used in everything from simple levers to pully systems.
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This has nothing to do with leverage. Leverage is when you have a lever, or rather, torque. It is not a general 'force to distance'-converter.
And there's nothing in the article talking about torque. They're talking about longitudal force versus longitudal contraction. No torque involved, and no leverage.
Re:Basic Mechanics (Score:1)
It has everything to do with leverage. How do you think your own muscles move your limbs? Through leverage. If your bicept, for example, were to be attached ten times closer to the pivit point of your elbow, your muscle would need to exert ten times the force in order to do the same work. At the same time, it would only contract one tenth as much.
Re:Basic Mechanics (Score:1, Flamebait)
First off, it's biceps. And the biceps acts in the opposite direction, the fulcrum in that case would be the shoulder, not the elbow. And what you are describing is a fucking arm not an individual muscle. Muscles contract lengthwise. That's all they do. Go get an anatomy textbook. You need one.
How is your reading comprehension
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Biceps move the lower arm, not the upper.
How the biceps/triceps act [bbc.co.uk]
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Yes, it does. And when it does that, where is that force acting from, in mechanical terms? The shoulder.
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Dimensional analysis shows that distance * force has two interpretations: energy or torque. If we're varying the distance over which a given energy is expended, we're talking about a reciprocal relationship due to the conservation of energy. All they need to do to convert that large force over a small distance into a smaller force over a larger distance is use something like a pully system. Now, I'll agree, once we start talking about pullies, it is time to start tal
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I'm sure they have. Problem is, things like that tend to greatly increase the complexity of the system, and much of the appeal of this is its simplicity and resilience.
Amputees and SOLDIERS! (Score:5, Interesting)
The real driving force behind this research is the desire for a nano-enabled soldier of the future. They hope to use these as exo-muscles in combat suits to allow soldiers to literally "leap tall buildings in a single bound."
The MIT Institute for Soldier Nanotechnologies [mit.edu] is working on this right now, but they don't see it being available for use for 30 years or so. I recently attended a lecture at MIT entitled "Nanotechnology: From Promise to Profitablility" [mitforumcambridge.org] that was almost entirely focused on military applications.
Amputees will certainly benefit, but that's not why the money is there for this research...
Re:Amputees and SOLDIERS! (Score:4, Interesting)
Nearly every major leap in technology in every discipline has been funded for and by the US military.
After the fact it is commercialized and improved upon so as to become a consumer attractive product, meaning smaller, more energy efficient and less buggy... iteratively over several generations so that by the time we see it it doesn't look anything like the original.
The latest trend is for the military to start buying these cheaper more efficient versions from commercial suppliers... but the original tech is still developed early by the military and military contractors/university programs.
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Other Important Benefits (Score:5, Interesting)
Imagine a hydraulic actuator on a modern plane for instance. It would be nice to be able to still be able to control the aircraft's ailerons, flaps, rudder, and elevator even if significant damage occured to mechanical components.
That's one of the biggest differences between man and man-made machines. People can be injured and keep going (watch any Arnold movie). A machine, on the other hand, is pretty much all or nothing (except in Arnold movies).
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Eh, in most of the Arnold movies I've seen (3 out of 5), Arnold is a machine that gets injured and keeps going. Didn't he even cut out his own eye in the first one? I'd call that one hell of an injury. And he kept going.
Aero
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There's a terrifying thought. Imagine that wherever you turned, wherever you looked, all you saw was more Arnolds. (If you need help imagining this, just think back to the California recall.)
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After I learn all about biology by watching Arnold Schwarzenegger in "Total Recall", I plan to learn all about space travel by watching Bruce Willis in "Armageddon".
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Upgrade your arms! (Score:1)
Wooooo!!!
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What? (Score:5, Funny)
Biological solutions are better (Score:1, Insightful)
Having bionic arms using nanotubes and nanotech-based muscle is fine. Figuring out how regeneration such that the body can be made to grow new arms is better.
The First Step... (Score:5, Interesting)
Also, in the book 3001, Clarke predicts braincap machines that add the abilities of a computer to whoever wears them.
I for one welcome the new experience of becoming the overlords of the universe. How long until we can transcend matter and build conscienceness-inspiring black boxes?
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Hats that make the wearer extremely moral?
or consciousness-inspiring?
or perhaps you meant some kind of cognition-enhancing hat?
Advanced Limbs For Amputees (Score:5, Funny)
Imagine the new spam (Score:3, Funny)
My best sig is this one.
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Imagination (Score:2)
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Amputees only? (Score:3, Funny)
Is this a follow up (Score:1)
Today, synthetic muscle... (Score:1)
I'll get you next time A'nold (Score:1)
nanostuff toxicity?! (Score:2)
Wouldn't this release a lot of nanostuff into the air or the waterflow?
Couldn't this be extremely poisonous to biological life and be very hard to remove from the environment, since nanostuff would not decay? What if this breakage happens in a industrial facility? Would we get the nasty effects of a chemical contamination (like Union Carbide's Bhopal mess-up) with the transmissible and
The best advance for amputees in the near term (Score:2)