The Year 2004 in Microprocessors 94
DeanMan writes "From spintronics to clockless CPUs, 2004 was a year of process and research in the microprocessor industry. As a way to transition into the new year, this article offers a month-by-month look at the highlights of the 2004 microprocessor timeline."
Disappointing (Score:1, Funny)
Clockless CPUs (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Clockless CPUs (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Clockless CPUs (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Clockless CPUs (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Clockless CPUs (Score:2, Informative)
This is much more complicated to design and to mass produce but the power savings may make it worthwhile.
Re:Clockless CPUs (Score:2, Funny)
I for once am glad to be rid of our GHz-overlords.
FPGAs? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:FPGAs? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:FPGAs? (Score:2)
AFAIK its the late 80ies.. sources? SPLDs do not count, naturally.
Regarding the original poster - if you have been following the recent developments in FPGA you may have noticed that it moved from niche logic replacement to mainstream SOC during the last two years.
Re:FPGAs? (Score:1)
So.... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:So.... (Score:2)
Kane Scarlett is a technology journalist/analyst with 20 years in the business, working for such publishers as National Geographic, Population Reference Bureau, Miller Freeman, and International Data Group and managing and editing for such journals as JavaWorld, LinuxWorld, DV Magazine, NC World, and of course, developerWorks.
Seems legit? Obviously he is carried on the IBM website, w
Re:So.... (Score:2, Insightful)
And- Kane? Did anyone else look at his name and picture and think of Command & Conquer?
Re:So.... (Score:2)
Re:They forgot (Score:1, Funny)
Re:They forgot (Score:2, Funny)
The future of silicon chips (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:The future of silicon chips (Score:3, Informative)
Unless this is a new plan the word reduce should be increase.
Re:The future of silicon chips (Score:3, Insightful)
Intel is now moving away from this since the performance gains just aren't there and the power consumption is getting terrible (like they said in the clock-less posts... you must distribute clock to all those stages amongst other power-sucking things)
Re:The future of silicon chips (Score:2)
How so? FPGAs operate at the digital logic level and CPUs operate at the machine language level. Either you have an FPGA emulating a CPU, in which case the basic inefficiency of a FPGA kills you, or you recompile every bit of software into its digital logic description to be used on some sort of uber-FPGA, in which case architectural and compiler problems kill you. The
Summary (Score:3, Funny)
1.AMD rocks (generally good, til their CPU prices are lower Intel's and we can overclock cheap Athlons to save some $$$)
2. Intel sucks (Pentium IV = really bad, PentiumM = good but pricy, but we still hate intel today, because they are evil)
3. IBM rocks (good boys, cause they support Linux and can beat SCO's ass)
4. There are some companies in a world but we don't give a shit until Linux can run on their processors.
Re:Summary (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Summary (Score:1)
By the same token, Intel probably wouldn't be here in their current form if it weren't for AMD and the other X86 clone manufacturers. The PC industry would be reluctant to stick with a CPU architecture that is only available from a single source. (In fact, Intel originally licensed AMD to produce 8086s because IBM insisted on having a second source as a condition for choosing the CPU for its new PCs.)
Come on (Score:2)
Intel doesn't suck, but they made so many bad and stupid marketing decisions recently that slashdot's community doesn't like Intel too much.
Do you remember "PentiumIV will make Internet faster" marketing campaign? Or soap gigahertz war? CPU ratio lock? And so on.
Amazing guys at Intel can do amazing things but bad marking can easily kill it.
Re:Come on (Score:1)
That's right up there with the 'Algore claim he invented the internet' urban folklore, and of similar discussion value.
If you've ever tried to connect to an even nominally multimedia-rich web site on a 386 or 486 box that has a broadband connection, you know what I mean.
Re:Summary (Score:2)
Intel never having existed would certainly change history, but not necessarily for the better.
If Intel never existed, we might all be using DEC Alphas as our desktops/workstations/servers, which would be a good thing, in many ways.
I also think AMD (or some similar company) would exist without Intel, and would be cloning processors like the Alpha instead of x86.
Re:Summary (Score:2)
Have you ever talked to anyone who has worked for Intel? You probably wouldn't be saying this if you'd ever worked their yourself (phrases like "meat-grinder" and "big brother" are pretty common from people who have).
It's amazing that Intel has held on to it's lead for as long as it has, considering how poorly it treats it's employees.
My impression is that the best people in the business are now working for AMD, because no one with any self-respect wants to work fo
Advantages of clockless CPU (Score:5, Funny)
Disadvantage of clockless CPU (Score:2)
But HOW i supposed to check a time with the clockless CPU?!
They must first create some kind of clock-coprocessor before releasing clockless CPU to market!
I didn't really mind the winding (Score:2)
On the plus side, you should see how big my shoulders are!
Re:Advantages of clockless CPU (Score:1)
The parts have a regular syncronous clock inside, and are termed 'clockless' because they run on an internal RC clock and thus have no exterior 'clock' pins, and so aren't what is being referred to here. But from a hardware-hacker's point of view that's what first came to mind. Who'd have thought the processor could one day masquerade as a bridge rectifier?
Re:Advantages of clockless CPU (Score:2)
A "clockless design" really means a circuit in which you don't drive a clock signal down the pipeline. Also known as an "asynchronous design".
Tom
Re:Advantages of clockless CPU (Score:1)
This is supposed to be about Microprocessors in 2004, and by volume, most of them are still either 4 or 8 bit parts, in the real world we live in (a world which differs from the fantasy world that people who've mastered the phillips screwdriver and 'built their own computer from scratch' live in, mind you)
supergeek (Score:1)
Re:supergeek (Score:1)
Be less optimistic about clockless design (Score:5, Informative)
poses two huge difficulties:
1) verification (both logical and timing);
2) in-chip noise.
Clocking allows oscillations created
by generating edges to fade out before
the sampling edge.
In clockless designs signals change whenever they
want in a sense, so sampling may occur while
the noise (parasitic oscillations) is still high,
and wrong values will be stored/used.
Re:Be less optimistic about clockless design (Score:1)
Huh? Free Will for silicon?
Not very likely. Stuff will be designed to work. Just because timing issues become different doesn't mean they cease to be a concern. Also, the 'noisiest' time in a lot of saturated logic circuits is the big 'thump' when the syncronous clock changes state.
Re:Be less optimistic about clockless design (Score:2, Insightful)
When I'm saying signals change more or less
whenever they want, I mean there is no
generating clock to relate their changes to
and thus to avoid interference created
by signal changes.
With modern frequencies connectors in chips
behave to big extent like transmission lines.
I worked as VLSI designer and STA (Static
Timing Analysis) methodology engineer,
so I hope I know what I'm talking about.
Re:Be less optimistic about clockless design (Score:2, Interesting)
An annoying example from my past was when a 'glitch' problem was found in a complex TTL circuit I designed, and the boss wouldn't let me do it right, i.e. back the clocking out another layer and syncronize something that shouldn't have been left hanging on the edge. The boss insisted I just throw a fricking cap across the signal
Re:Be less optimistic about clockless design (Score:1)
I suggest you learn about clockless VLSI (AVLSI) prior to commenting on it. Check out the website of either the group at Caltech or Manchester.
I think you will find that asynchronous VLSI is actually *easier* to verify, less liable to problems with noise and power, is more scalable, higher performance, and more flexible than today's dominant VLSI technologies.
Wish they had these 5 years ago. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Wish they had these 5 years ago. (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Wish they had these 5 years ago. (Score:2)
Yeah, it was absolutely HORRIBLE the last time that happened. [imdb.com]
Re:Wish they had these 5 years ago. (Score:1, Funny)
primer post mmv (Score:1)
Re:primer post mmv (Score:2)
Re:primer post mmv (Score:1)
Inovation continues (Score:1)
Unlike IBM's previous microprocessor history... (Score:4, Insightful)
But this one line cracks me up...
American Technology Research predicts that Sun® and IBM® are well positioned to capture the 64-bit desktop market since both use the Opteron processor as an integral part of upcoming product lines and both have initiated flexible CPU roadmaps.
Sun? IBM? Capture the desktop market? My, these folks at American Technology Research much be geniuses! Or is that genusi?
FWIW, Sun has been doing 64 bit computing for quite some time now with the 64 bit SPARC chips it has been putting out for ages. But Sun Microsystems and IBM, masters of the 64 bit desktop? Oh boy.
Re:Unlike IBM's previous microprocessor history... (Score:1)
(actually, Microsoft and others are kinda banking on the general purpose 'desktop' ceasing to exist before long)
Re:Unlike IBM's previous microprocessor history... (Score:1)
Well, there is Linux. But IBM's OS/2 department called. They want their mindshare back.
actually, Microsoft and others are kinda banking on the general purpose 'desktop' ceasing to exist before long
I really am starting to see the case for a walled garden in PCs. My mother in law's computer, with AOL no less, became so clogged with adware that I don't see how she used it. Or worse,
Re:Unlike IBM's previous microprocessor history... (Score:2)
It's funny that an IBM story would mention Sun in the same positive breath as IBM, as Sun is IBM's biggest competitor in high-end computing. You'd think they'd mention another company, instead.
Actually, I found this line to be far more of an IBM advertisement:
Re:Unlike IBM's previous microprocessor history... (Score:2)
In any case you would be doing us all a favour if you'd just focus your efforts on stamping out usage of the odious "virii", which doesn't even properly exist at all but frequently crops up on Slashdot. Deal with that, and let the rest go.
IBM, marketing department, line 1... (Score:3, Interesting)
How much did they have to couch it? "Relatively easy?" "Said to be..." ?
Translation for the technical crowd:
"Programming a cell processor is hard."
Why aren't OPTICAL-Electronic chips being made ?? (Score:3, Insightful)
Why is everyone dropping this field ? Quantum is way off in the distance and so is spintronic.
Using optical buses would reduce wiring complexity too.
Re:Why aren't OPTICAL-Electronic chips being made (Score:1)
2004 timeline? (Score:1, Interesting)
"November
Plastic electronics start to be considered for more uses, and Infineon demonstrates a new technique in which two chips are sandwiched together and interconnect among hundreds of surface contact pads.
ARM plans a design center in India. By 2008, China will knock Japan out of the top spot as consumer of chips.
AMD sees a bright future, and signs a second fabrication partner to start in 2006."
Incorrect information (Score:4, Informative)
http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/jonathan/20040
Since the chip is already in the Sun labs how can it be 65Nm? No fab, in my knowledge, is ready for 65Nm yet,
http://aceshardware.com/read.jsp?id=65000293
Also sun never claimed to outsource all chip manufacturing to Fujitsu. The article is based on blurbs from unreliable sources, example geek.net.
This is the second IBM article to calim that Sun is outsourcing all chip desgin and manufacturing to fujitsu. Is this some sort of FUD IBM is trying to spread?
2004: Rest of desktop computer gets faster. (Score:5, Interesting)
It's no longer how fast you can crank up the CPU speed, it's now how fast the rest of the system runs. Look at what we have now on desktop machines:
1. The development of faster motherboard interconnects with improved chipsets and things like HyperTransport and its competitors.
2. The wide availability of PC3200 (DDR-400) DDR-SDRAM system RAM, with even faster RAM coming over the next 18-24 months.
3. The development of AGP 8x and new PCI Express connections for graphics cards with 3-D processing ability that would be the domain of ultra-expensive workstations only a few years ago.
4. The development of ATA-100/133 IDE, Serial ATA and soon Serial ATA-II IDE, and UltraSCSI 160/320 interfaces and 10,000+ RPM drives with 8 to 16 MB on-drive memory caches for very fast hard disk access. Even optical disk drives are benefiting from these faster interfaces.
5. The very wide availability of 100Base-T Ethernet connections on most motherboards, plus some motherboards now sport 1000Base-T Gigabit Ethernet connections.
6. The near-universal availability of USB 2.0 connections and increasing use of IEEE-1394 connections to external devices, which makes the use of external disk drives to back up data and connect to digital camcorders possible.
All of these developments have resulted in vastly faster computers in terms of overall speed even if you don't have the fastest CPU installed on the motherboard.
Re:2004: Rest of desktop computer gets faster. (Score:2)
-Using ever faster IDE/ATA bus means few improvement when disk access time is not reduced at the same rate..
-I remember that a review showed going from an AGP*2 to a PCI express give very little improvement (except for low-end solution with shared memory system).
Increasing bus bandwith alone is nearly meaningless if it isn't the bottleneck in the fist place!
Re:2004: Rest of desktop computer gets faster. (Score:2)
Why do you think they're putting in larger hard drive memory caches and speeding up spindle speeds to 10,000 RPM on some Serial ATA drives? The 10K spindle speed will probably do much to make hard drive access faster, especially now with the faster interfaces possible.
I remember that a review showed going from an AGP*2 to a PCI express give very little improvement (except for low-end solution with
Re:2004: Rest of desktop computer gets faster. (Score:2)
As for the video benchmark, it was a benchmark made of games of course and it showed that the gains where really
Re: Clockless CPU's (Score:2)