CCC Mods Rent-a-Bike To Allow Free Rides 384
Autoversicherung writes "Germany has an activated by phone bike rental system across all major cities. At 6 cent a minute quite pricey, germanys famous Chaos Computer Club thought a free ride every now and then couldnt hurt.
Optimizing the original system in the process, modifying the blink code to be easier found and changing the logo. About 10% of Berlins bikes are patched already. A detailed description of how they did it, and how the system works."
War Biking? (Score:5, Funny)
next they should hack it so I don't have to peddle (Score:5, Funny)
pedal (Score:5, Funny)
Nanana SNANA & GNANA - beat you to it!
Re:pedal (Score:3, Funny)
Re:pedal (Score:3, Insightful)
That turn of phrase is quite erroneous. When playing poker, your first declaration or action stands and you cannot then alter it. Attempting to do so is called "string betting." The instant you said "see," that implied a call. At that point, a raise in the same action is not allowed. You will never hear that phrase at a poker table without two things happening: the speaker will be instantly recognized as a greenhorn, and the dealer will disallow the raise.
As for t
I'm impressed. (Score:5, Insightful)
This would not work in America.
Free to use bikes in Helsinki (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Free to use bikes in Helsinki (Score:3, Interesting)
If I remember corectly the bike repairing is taken care of by an unemployment project (training the unemplyed to have a job), so in the effect the bike are partl
Re:Free to use bikes in Helsinki (Score:5, Funny)
Those wacky Europeans...
Re:Free to use bikes in Helsinki (Score:5, Informative)
Then, when you've finished, you just pop it back to a bike rack, and take your money back. However, the cost of drinks there equalled it out. All in all, damn good, I say. Oh, and visit Christiania (sp?) if you can.
Re:Free to use bikes in Helsinki (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I'm impressed. (Score:2)
Re:I'm impressed. (Score:3, Interesting)
In the town I lived in (Wurzburg), the Germans usually didn't lock their bike. They had a quaint little idea that nobody would steal it.
That was generally true...except that drunk Americans had the quaint little idea that a bike not locked, was a free ride.
Eventually there would be a collection of about 20-30 bikes behind the barracks, that we would have to ride back into town, and drop at different locations, hoping the original owner would find it.
Soon, our
Re:I'm impressed. (Score:2, Funny)
Re:I have seen alot of bikes missing parts in the (Score:2, Informative)
Re:I have seen alot of bikes missing parts in the (Score:2)
N.
Re:I have seen alot of bikes missing parts in the (Score:3, Informative)
Having been an urban biker for about ten years, I can tell you that having a bike defaced/kicked/smashed/broken/scratched every day is overall much more disheartening than just having one stolen every few years.
It's one thing to know that someone REALLY wanted something you have; It's another to realize how many ignorant morons with stock in the oil companies will kick someone's bike.
Re:I'm impressed. (Score:5, Informative)
A few years ago, Texas A&M University fixed up some abandoned bicycles, converted them to one speed, painted them bright yellow, and left them around campus for use by whoever wanted to ride them.
See Borrow A Bike [tamu.edu]
I think this was also done at a number of other places.
Re:I'm impressed. (Score:2, Funny)
I started a similar program at Georgia Tech (Score:3, Funny)
The program was a huge success.
Re:I'm impressed. (Score:3, Funny)
All very fun and all... (Score:5, Insightful)
"We don't know what we are doing, but we are doing it very carefully..." -Wherry
Re:All very fun and all... (Score:3, Funny)
Not in Germany, it's called "Vandalismus".
Re:All very fun and all... (Score:3, Insightful)
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Icon/Squeeze-the- e ase/2 004/12/15/1102787132795.html
which notes that ripping DRM/usurping WiFi is more a psychological barrier in civil disobediance, that becomes an etiquette issue. Whilst not humerous from the companies point of view, I note that the perpetrators of this hack were in fact very careful of th
What is it called when (Score:5, Interesting)
If I run a bike shop and pay rent and/or taxes on the property, so anyone can come look at the bikes but if they want to use one, they have to pay, that's a normal retail situation. I'm entitled to control what happens with my bikes within my private space.
What happens, though, if I just start locking the bikes up to lampposts and advertising that anyone can call a phone number to pay to unlock them? Am I not trying to convert the public lampposts into private retail space without paying any rent or tax? Who is taking what from whom? Perhaps some philosopher could conclude that I've really just abandoned the bikes, and rather than hacking 10% of them, CCC might have done better to hack 100%.
BTW, the public bicycle concept AFAIK started in Holland, with the Witte Fietsen ("white bicycles" in Dutch) project. Hippies scrounged up old bikes and parts during a transit strike, got them working and painted them white, and then just left them all over the place for people to use for free. Sort of a bicycle version of the GNU project. If you needed to get somewhere, you'd just find a white bike, ride it wherever you were going, and leave it for someone else to find and use.
This was several decades ago. Witte Fietsen actually worked as envisioned by the hippies, and was successful enough that local government decided to pick up the expenses. It is still active today in some parts of Holland, though in the big cities, sadly, the bikes get stolen too fast.
The dial-a-bike thing seems like a pale imitation. Witte Fietsen didn't need to be hacked.
Re:What is it called when (Score:3, Insightful)
Regardless of that, a weak lock isn't an excuse to commit what's clearly a crime, taking something that's not yours to take without paying the proper price for it. A weak front door lock doesn't give you the right to enter someone's house, watch their TV and take a na
Re:What is it called when (Score:2)
No matter how you cut it, circumventing protection to gain use of a (non-essential) resource without the permission of the resource
Re:What is it called when (Score:3, Insightful)
Don't act shocked. There is a world beyond slashdot, you know.
Call it what it is - Thievery (Score:5, Insightful)
Ah, so without having to think about whether you're stealing from a fellow citizen, you blame it on an unspecified, undefined "philosophy". Ridiculous.
You can't compare the taking you're doing with the Dutch bicycles, because those were intended to be free - here, you're just committing robbery from your neighbor. Everybody leaves bikes locked to public property, everywhere. You just aren't willing to admit that you like being a thief, and only because your victim doesn't get to see or catch you. Because if you did, you'd start stealing from little old ladies, and you'd probably like it too. You have no shame.
Saying that bikes locked to public property are abandoned is absurd - when you park a car on a public street, and lock the doors, you must be abondoning that fine set of wheels [www.inet.hr], I guess, right? Let me know where you live, and I will come rid the street of your trash!
For the record, Witte Fietsen didn't work because nobody wanted to take responsibility for fixing or replacing broken parts, plus people like you stole the bicycles and painted them other colors.
Re:Call it what it is - Thievery (Score:3, Interesting)
Well, in my town, we have an ordinance that allows the town to tow your car if you park it on the street overnight. They don't usually enforce this until about a week has passed, but the point is still made. I'd imagine the company isn't taking the bikes back to their warehouse every night for storage.
The original poster's point is still valid. This company is using the city stree
Re:Call it what it is - Thievery (Score:3, Insightful)
Hackery doesn't include fucking over people for the heck of it.
Re:What is it called when (Score:2)
witte fietsen (Score:3, Informative)
Re:witte fietsen (Score:2)
Like
"It is cheaper to run per user than conventional public transit systems like buses and undergrounds, all of which have subsidized fares that cost much more than the bikes do."
They haven't actually abandoned other types of public transportation
Re:witte fietsen (Score:2)
Re:What bullshit (Score:4, Insightful)
I agree with your point, but your analogy is silly unless you own 1700 bikes. You're expected to park your own personal bike by chaining it to the nearest lamppost.
"If this is morally defensible is your own call."
It's easy for me to say because I don't own the bikes, but it's worth noticing that they went to lengths to make sure the bikes were still usable. (Compared to all the other vandalism these bikes have apparently suffered.)
Also, notice that they didn't give out their magic code on the Internet.
It's obvious that these people are just doing this for fun, not out of a strong desire for financial gain. Heck, for all the man-hours that went into this project, they could have worked at a minimum wage job and then purchased a bicycle.
Re:What bullshit (Score:2)
Agreed, the analogy doesn't fly straight as an arrow, but the point is simple. Public space is government controlled. They allow me to park my bike anywhere ( as opposed to charging me if I don't park it on my own private property, as with cars in much places ), and they allowed Deutsche Bahn to park their rental bikes anywhere, which is a sort
Re:What bullshit (Score:3, Insightful)
Computer guys prove yet again that shortsighted and selfish thinking is not exclusive to lawyers and MBAs.
Re:What bullshit (Score:4, Informative)
Re:What bullshit (Score:3, Insightful)
The 'witte fietsen' plan was dumb, like most of the stuff hippies thought up.
About as dumb as the average dotcom business plan, like much of the stuff thought up by the typical business fanatic.
Some people will not have respect for something they receive for free. If they can break it without consequences, they will.
A statistically small fraction of poorly socialised people, generally children, will vandalise the system. Depending on the resulting costs (as compared a so-called free market approac
Re:What bullshit (Score:3)
This maybe wasn't charged, but the point is that the whole 'witte fietsen plan' was dependend o
Re:What bullshit (Score:2)
Your argument fails because even the 'witte fietsen' plan is firmly embedded in the free market economy.
My argument succeeds quite nicely thank you. The so-called free market economy succeeds partly because it is firmly embedded in a command economy (i.e. government).
There is no such thing as a pure "free" market. If it existed it would be warlordism, might makes right, those with the biggest stick get all the rewards. Instead we have a complex legal and economic framework that discourages negative co
Re:What is it called when (Score:2)
Who the hell modded that informative?
Re:All very fun and all... (Score:2, Insightful)
Nondestructive and pointless is "mucking around"
Nondestructive and with purpose is "hacking".
Destructive and with purpose is "defending homeland security"
Re:All very fun and all... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:All very fun and all... (Score:2)
-stole a bike and stored it in their home for several month (according to article)
-they dismantled the elctronics, destroying part of the assembly by removing protective silicone coating.
I can see that tampering with such a bike is interesting, but wouldn't proper hacker ethics dictate that you return it after a few hours/days? Months is definitly on the "theft" side. These guys have lost my respect due to that. Also, hacking the mechanism is one thing - disabling it i
Price (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Price (Score:2, Insightful)
That's easily $50 or $60 a day! By then, you could have bought the bike.
Re:Price (Score:2)
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For comparison, in finland there's also rent-a-bikes scattered all over the helsinki area. The "rent" takes 2 euro coin which you get back after you leave the big to appropriate place.
For even more comparision, the bus/metro/tram fares are 2 euros for 1 hour of traffic inside short distances, 3.4e for 1½ hours in long distances in capital area of finland (3 cities: Helsinki/Espoo/Vantaa)
Re:Price (Score:2)
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I hate IRTA/CTA/Metra.
What Happens When... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:What Happens When... (Score:2)
If you did it a lot, after a while you'd either get picked up by the police, or he'd get a surveillance camera to bust you.
I think it's actually a pretty neat idea... but the cost is getting up there; 6 cents a minute is a tad expensive; renting
Re:What Happens When... (Score:3, Funny)
Uh, I've been to Berlin. Getting across that "town" at 6c/minute on a bike would cost you good 20-30 euro if you can ride really fast.
Re:What Happens When... (Score:2)
Yeah, yeah... sheesh. Try "...to get somewhere that's a 10-minute bike ride, but more than an hour's walk, for 60 cents".
Happy now?
Re:What Happens When... (Score:2, Interesting)
[1] in case that the bike was hacked and left there by another person
What's the upside? (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually, not the CCC (Score:3, Informative)
What a waste (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:What a waste (Score:2, Informative)
Re:What a waste (Score:5, Insightful)
First they stole a bike (one that wasn't locked properly), dismantled it to reverse engineer the mechanism, (in the process depriving the owners of several months' rent the bike might have earned) then went around and opened up over 100 other bikes to reprogram them with their backdoor, and justified this by saying that they thought the work they'd done was worth the cost of several bikes.
Would this get the same "cool hack", "fun" kind of rating if they'd done it to a similar scheme with cars? Somehow stealing bikes isn't really stealing; I've noticed this in movies where the hero appropriates a parked bike when in a hurry, dumping it on the street when he arrives without a second thought. Cyclists' blood boils when this kind of thing is done to their property; again if you tried it with cars you could easily be killed, and the owner would get a slap on the wrist.
Re:What a waste (Score:2, Informative)
Copenhagen: http://www.bycyklen.dk/engelsk/annoncor-info/anta
Re:What a waste (Score:2)
Re:What a waste (Score:4, Informative)
Because the members of the Chaos Computer Club are a bunch of hackers? They couldn't care less about the common good, they're just interested in exploiting whatever they can for their own self-interest. Read "Cyberpunk: Outlaws and Hackers on the Computer Frontier" or "The Cuckoo's Egg" to get an example of these wonderful CCC heroes in reality. They are thieves.
News for thief, stuff that angers ? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:News for thief, stuff that angers ? (Score:2)
You didn't read the article, did you? Here is its last paragraph:
Re:News for thief, stuff that angers ? (Score:3, Insightful)
By their account, they modified approximately 170 of the bikes in Berlin. According to them it took about 12 minutes to hack 2 bikes - we'll assume that it only takes a tech 12 minutes to undo it which comes up with 17 hours of work just flashing the bikes back, not to mention the
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I must be backwards (Score:4, Interesting)
I wish this would work in Los Angeles. It could really be useful. It wouldn't work though... too many "hackers" with wire cutters. (alot like the "hackers" above, but with less technical school clases).
Re:I must be backwards (Score:4, Funny)
There are saws especially designed for hacking.
Re:I must be backwards (Score:2)
Wow, you hacked a 6 cent/hr. bike... thats like NORAD. LEETO!
And I did read the article... sorry bud, they just aren't that cool.
Re:I must be backwards (Score:2)
No more bikes out there (Score:5, Interesting)
Btw: The CCC will meet from December 26th to 29th for their annual congress. Motto: "The ususal suspects".
P.S.: I submitted this story on Saturday.
The CCC didn't do that!!! (Score:5, Informative)
German engineering (Score:4, Insightful)
Now, if they're really recalled over winter for a once-over, I wonder how much harder they will be to get into when the snow melts and they reappear? Will the Call-A-Bikes become more impenetrable, as Darwinian geek theory dictates they'll need for survival?
On the flip side, I must also applaud the hackers for not simply vandalising the bikes, but modifying them to return to service once the "free ride" was over. (Perhaps misguided) - theft all the same, but at least free of physical destruction.
Free Bikes in Copenhagen (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.bycyklen.dk/engelsk/frameset.html
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bad dog, no biscuit (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:bad dog, no biscuit (Score:5, Insightful)
Thing is, if you leave aside the moral implications of their hack, it's still a very fine piece of hacking.
Add in that almost nobody will know the entry code for a free ride, that 9 out of 10 bikes are untouched, the main cost to the 'victim' is the cost of reflashing the hacked bikes. And that wont take too long.
I'm not saying I support this precise piece of hacking, but I do love that people are still getting up to this sort of thing. It's a healthy thing for society.
~Cederic
Actually... (Score:4, Insightful)
So, other than a firmware update (which I suspect may have to happen to all bikes regularly anyhow), those hackers haven't done any physical damage that can't be easily undone.
Arguably, they have caused revenue loss for the DB from the bikes that were used for free, but since there is no description on how the backdoor works or how it is advertised, I would assume that only a select group of people knows of this.
In the article itself they made some "ethical" decisions (i.e.: not able to grab a currently rented bike, not able to park a freebie without giving a regular customer the chance to phone it in), which indicates that they want to preserve the utility value for regular customers as much as possible.
All in all:
Is this legal ? No siree, definitely not...
Did the hackers do it to get free bikes, or just for the challenge of it? My guess would be the latter.
Is this a nice hack in the spirit of the hackers of the old days? Definitely: this hack required a lot of skill and creativity, for that they deserve some respect.
Re:bad dog, no biscuit (Score:3, Insightful)
While I agree this is theft of service and morally wrong, you are incorrect in your assessment that it's taking 1/10 of the companie's paycheck for this service.
#1: The bikes still functioned the same for regular riders, they could call up and get the information to rent the bike.
#2: There is no way that all of the people riding the modified bikes did so by using the hack.
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Hackers aint't crackers, eh? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Hackers aint't crackers, eh? (Score:4, Insightful)
Crackers are a subset of hackers.
No, because some crackers are script kiddies, not hackers. I think it's likely that *most* crackers are not hackers.
There are two sets of people: hackers and crackers, and the sets have a non-empty intersection.
The people who did this appear to members of both sets, as well as fairly responsible people. They did take a bike out of service for a few months, but they appear to have put all of the bikes back, and taken care not to disturb the system. Other than to enable a very small group of people to get occasional free rides on a small percentage of the bikes.
Not to say that I'd encourage this sort of thing, but it really falls more into the category of a mostly-harmless prank, rather than real vandalism. It's entirely possible that Die Bahn even makes money off of it, since free riders who can't find a hack-a-bike will probably end up taking a call-a-bike quite frequently. If they didn't get the free rides they might have chosen to just ride their own bike. And Die Bahn certainly got some free penetration testing.
Probably the worst part of this story is that its publication may motivate other less-skilled and less-responsible people to try their own hand at hacking bikes, which will result in broken bikes and costly vandalism.
What a cool hack!! Until.. (Score:2, Interesting)
I read the part that said:
"About 10% of Berlins bikes are patched already."
Hacking for fun, yeah sure. But doing what could ultimately cause the demise of this whole concept.. thats just Wrong.
Java version? (Score:2)
quote from a German friend (Score:3, Insightful)
why? (Score:5, Insightful)
The designer of the lock says, "it can't be broken". This is like waving a red flag (or two) before a bull. Of course, now someone has to actually break it to prove a point.
Call it vandalism, call it theft, call it whatever you want. Basically, the "hackers" were responding to the challenge.
Please, lets not split hairs here. It'll leave us all bald.
One issue not discussed here. (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Would this fly in any other countries? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:"like this effects us" -American Psycho (Score:2, Insightful)
(I think this was the 3rd post)
Re:So, whats the code? (Score:2)
I don't think their mission was to fuck the company over by giving anyone free rides.
The article was very well written and interesting. It wasn't exactly benevolent towards the company, but not truely evil either.
I hope they wont get sued. (Whoever did this...)
Re:NOTICE FROM THE ADMINISTRATOR (Score:4, Insightful)
These people's "ethics" are laughable.
So stealing for individuals is wrong, but stealing from a big, bad company is okay? This is a great example of moral relativism.
Re:NOTICE FROM THE ADMINISTRATOR (Score:3, Informative)
no, it's not. what you've just described has nothing to do with moral relativism. moral relativism [wikipedia.org] is the belief that what is "good" for me is not necessarily the same as what is "good" for you. as long as i believe that it's okay for either of us to steal from big companies and it's not okay for either of us to steal from individuals, there is no moral relativism here. moral relat
Re:On using AVR Studio / STK500 (Score:3, Informative)
AVR Libc is an open source project whose goal is to provide a high quality C library for use with GCC on Atmel AVR microcontrollers.
Together, avr-binutils, avr-gcc, and avr-libc form the heart of the Opensource toolchain for the Atmel AVR microcontrollers.
They are further accompanied by projects for in-system programming software (uisp, avrdude [formerly avrprog]), simulation (simulavr) and debugging (avr-gdb, AVaRICE).
I use most of t
Re:Repercussions? (Score:3, Interesting)