Siemens Develops 1 gbit/sec Wireless Link 191
jonknee writes "Siemens has developed mobile wireless technology with transfer rates as high as 1 gigbit per second. This blows the doors off of '3G' technology, or EV-DO (the high-speed data technology used by Verizon Wireless and soon by Sprint PCS). Not all the specs are out yet (more info is expected early next year), but it uses three transmitting and four receiving antennas. With any luck the phone in your pocket will have a gigabit link by the year 2015."
Faster than 3G .. heck, its faster than 802.11G (Score:4, Interesting)
Also, if this is for real, surely this has implications for the many planned city-wide wifi grids (Wi-Max, etc) and other mobile broadband solutions, as it could make them obsolete very quickly.
Re:Faster than 3G .. heck, its faster than 802.11G (Score:3, Informative)
http://www1.bell-labs.com/project/blast/
They claim >20bps/Hz by making lemonade out of multipath's lemon.
Re:Faster than 3G .. heck, its faster than 802.11G (Score:1)
Re:Faster than 3G .. heck, its faster than 802.11G (Score:3, Informative)
the DVB-S2 standard (with devices due in 2005) comes within 1.0-0.7db of shannons law. Also, another company has come within 0.1db (or 0.01db, i forget) and might be even closer now at this point to shannons law. This is the real thing and is being adopted in broadcast networks for transmission to stations. PDF here on the new tech. On page 11 they list the 1.0-0.7db figure. Not sure how large it is [rtm.net.my] Unfortunately in ord
Re:Faster than 3G .. heck, its faster than 802.11G (Score:3, Informative)
they might have to compensate for the higher speeds with stronger signals
It uses 2.4 GHz at 1 KW.
Good news: The transmitting hardware is inexpensive because it's already used in microwave ovens.
Bad news: Battery life is gonna really suck.
Re:Faster than 3G .. heck, its faster than 802.11G (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Faster than 3G .. heck, its faster than 802.11G (Score:1)
Re:Faster than 3G .. heck, its faster than 802.11G (Score:2, Insightful)
You can't compare two technologies solely on bitrate, you are forgetting power, range, spectrum, equipment size and equipment cost as factors in your comparison.
Cellular technology *can* be made to operate faster than your WLAN. In fact, some WiMAX equipment should operate faser than many WLANs, and it's not mobile yet but it's cellular. But then again, the client-side equipment will have to work first with a roof-mounted antenna and the base station should
Where will they get the spectrum (Score:3, Insightful)
But you can compare them when you take some of those items into account.
WiMAX (802.11g) - in the appropriate codec for this comparison - gets 70 Mbps out of a 14 MHz channel (a little wider than two TV channels). This system claims 1 Gbps out of a 100 MHz channel and spatial diversity. That's twice the bps/cps, which is about right for using 3-
So, in 2015, ... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:So, in 2015, ... (Score:3, Interesting)
Details here [boingboing.net].
And which is why, "predictions" like FooBar will happen by 2015 are quite amusing - you really cannot know. For all you know, it may happen within the next couple of years. If there is one thing we should know as geeks, it is that technology can never ever be predicted.
Re:So, in 2015, ... (Score:2)
Mycroft
Re:So, in 2015, ... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:So, in 2015, ... (Score:2)
At last count, there were more than 50 million cellphones in India, and are growing at 2 million a month.
(From this source [emergic.org])
Re:So, in 2015, ... (Score:2)
With 4 receive antennas and 3 transmit antennas.. (Score:1, Funny)
only 100 MHz bandwidth (Score:2, Informative)
1Gb/s is supposed to be what it's capable of in the future - or at least that's how I read it
Thanks Zak, you made this thread Informative (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Thanks Zak, you made this thread Informative (Score:3, Informative)
The set of amplitude values is represented in the complex plane as a "constellation". At the receiving end, you have to "recover" the amplitude and the phase of the emitted signal, which is the process of synchronisation.
In cable (c
Re:Thanks Zak, you made this thread Informative (Score:2)
Re:Thanks Zak, you made this thread Informative (Score:2, Informative)
for what (Score:1)
Re:for what (Score:1, Funny)
Re:for what (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:for what (Score:4, Insightful)
As somone more intelligent than myself said, "if you build it, they will come.".
Re:for what (Score:1)
Static data like music and movies will be stored in an iPod-like device, and how detailed does a real-time service like traffic info have to be to require this sort of data-rate?
I'm not decrying the advances made here, but rather questioning the commercial usages to which it can currently be put.
Re:for what (Score:1, Interesting)
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Re:for what (Score:2)
Also just think that in 10 years 1080i cameras will probably be as dirt cheap as most DV cameras today. Wireless HD video would bring out new meaning to Live reporting. no need for the camera truck and crew, just 2 people. I can predict vigilante reporting to be on the rise as well.
Re:for what (Score:4, Funny)
SCNR
Re:for what (Score:2)
As phones become less phones and more personal organisers and communicator (complete with a host of other extras), the more people are going to need that bandwidth.
Even if no single application on these devices needs that much bandwidth, the combination of them all may. That, and i
Re:for what (Score:3, Interesting)
It always bothers me that I essentially have to go through the extra step of transfering any pictures I take on my phone, to my PC.
Imagine if in 2015, I can take high resolution photos (and even video) from a hand held device (we really should stop calling them phones
Re:for what (Score:2)
Re:for what (Score:2)
This report is entirely worthless without detail (Score:4, Insightful)
Great - I 1Gig link. And the power requirements are? And the suspectability to multipath problems in built up areas are? And the size of the antenna on the phone is how big? And the patent issues are what?
Sorry to be such a grumpy old thing, but getting RF technology to work in the lab is one thing. Getting to work in messy, interference soaked urban environments without cooking the user's head is quite another.
Re:This report is entirely worthless without detai (Score:3, Informative)
However, the odds that this will fit "in your pocket" as the story poster said are
OFDM as a backhaul solution will preclude devices (Score:2)
A similar, single antenna system: 288 Mbits/sec that is going into beta next month.
This is being pitched, as the Siemens system will be, as a wireless backhaul solution. Not for devices. That will be the responsibility of another technology.
So all the references in the article to increasing consumer bandwidth demand are being used to underline the need for a big, fat, cost-effective (i.e. wireless) backhaul solution.
In 2010, we'll all be using IP SIP phones that
and health risks are? (Score:2)
Re:and health risks are? (Score:3, Insightful)
people will object to fucking anything they just plain don't like.
Re:and health risks are? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:and health risks are? (Score:2)
I don't know about you, but I myself am extremely picky about what I fuck.
Technology advancement (Score:5, Insightful)
By which time it won't seem that amazing at all.
Re:Technology advancement (Score:1)
Re:Technology advancement (Score:5, Insightful)
To us , it'll still be amazing because we'll be past the 35-hump since when each invention is against the laws of nature .
Below 16 , all inventions are taken for granted. After 16 to 35, every invention is the next big thing and by the time you're over 35 , it'll be a violation of your fundamental understanding of science.So kids born in 2000 see supersonic air travel as an ordinary means of travel , while my father feels there's something impossible about faster than sound travel (someday I'll say the same about Faster than light , hopefully) .
People don't change - they are just replaced.
Re:Technology advancement (Score:2)
Thank you.
That's such an immensely encouraging thing to say right in the middle of the week.
Re:Technology advancement (Score:2)
Re:Technology advancement (Score:1)
However, they mispelled the most important quote: it's "videtur [verbix.com]" not "viditur". That almost made my fundamental understanding of Latin crumble, and I'm not even 25...
Re:Technology advancement (Score:2)
To us , it'll still be amazing because we'll be past the 35-hump since when each invention is against the laws of nature.
Really? Damn. I'll be 36 in about seven months. I guess I can expect a sudden hardening in my perception of the laws of nature any day now.
Do you notice it when it happens? Is it painful?
Yeah Right (Score:4, Insightful)
Anyway, my point here is that maybe you'll see a speed increase but don't expect anything in the real world faster than a wireless G setup anytime soon. It'd be damn cool though.
Re:Yeah Right (Score:3, Insightful)
Depends on where you live. I'm in Tokyo and I have 24 Mb/s DSL for about $35/mo. They're willing to pull a fiber to your house and do 100Mb/s for pretty close. Of course, that's just your connection to the ISP, beyond that your mileage will vary.
Re:Yeah Right (Score:2)
So if you cannot do this with wires, you cannot do it wireless? That the current rate would be thousands of dollars (now) does not matter. With 3G most operators charge per MB anyhow.
Wired links within a corporate infrastructure easily manage 1Gb/s. 10 Gb/s is not a problem, certainly not in 2015. Hell, you could put that over TP copper by then.
I agree with you that we won't see this soon. But the article stated 2015
Re:Yeah Right (Score:1)
Re:Yeah Right (Score:1)
Re:Yeah Right (Score:5, Insightful)
How much do 100GB disk space cost today? How much did they cost 10 years ago?
How much would you have payed 10 years ago for the data rate of a current standard DSL connection?
How much would you have payed 10 years ago for the computing power of todays entry level PCs?
So, are you still sure that the pricing will not be about right for the consumer market in the year 2015?
needs grow with capacity (Score:2)
Today it's several hundred times as big.
By the time this ships, it will be a reasonable-sized improvement over what's already out there, and 5 years later people will be asking themselves how they ever got along without it.
Re:Yeah Right (Score:2)
That's why we should finally start deploying multicast all over the Internet. It's simply stupid that 100,000 people pulling one and the same file from the server saturate its $100k link. Or think webcasts. How easy
Airpics? (Score:3, Insightful)
very nice but... (Score:5, Insightful)
Having a phone in your pocket may be obsolete in 2015
Re:very nice but... (Score:2)
Please keep in mind, "cellular phones" were not common back then. Instead, wireless communications was considered "sacred" and thus termed "emergency communication system".
With no further ado,
Re:very nice but... (Score:1)
Re:very nice but... (Score:1, Offtopic)
Now.... (Score:1)
whoa (Score:2)
Range (Score:2)
You disappoint me... (Score:1, Funny)
Bonus! (Score:2)
So, in 2015... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:So, in 2015... (Score:2)
Then, you will be watching hdtv in a crowded bus, via laser projection into your eye, or hdtv hud, or brainplug, ect...
Research indicates... (Score:3, Insightful)
Seriously: putting that much transmitting power into a phone cannot be healthy now can it ?
Thinking this over... (Score:2)
With " everyone " owning a cellphone, the cells actually start to overlap each other.
This opens up the possibility of grid phoning, requiring basestations in only a few central or deserted points - whilst providing coverage through the cellphones that are near to you (and so forth until the signal finds its way to the basestation).
Apart from the health-benefit, the phones would require a lot less power than now. The grid's latency would be
A few comments (Score:1)
* Future standards will blur the lines between wireless LAN and cellular standards. Your cell phone will provide high rates, your wireless internet connection may handle higher mobility.
* The multiple antennas mentioned here need only be at the cellular base station, or on the access point.
Re:A few comments (Score:2)
Ads? (Score:1)
Re:Ads? (Score:2)
The house is burning, you dial the emergency number.
Phone: "Hello, this phone call is sponsored by XY Insurances. Insurance contracts at low prices with conditions better than you have ever dreamt of. If you press 1 now, you can connect directly with our sales department. Our phone number was also stored in memory 1 of your phone." (well, that's where the number of your friend was residing, but at the moment that's a les
Obligatory Stupid Quote (Score:1)
Why? I doubt the cell phone processor would be able to do anything with data sent at that rate, other than drop it or have it essentially be a DoS attack.
Why not in a PC (Score:2)
THREE Antennas!!!1! (Score:1)
Same thing as the megapixel nonsense, the sheep start to believe a higher number means a better product without worrying too much what the number represents, or whether having lots of that thing is necessarily good.
Re:THREE Antennas!!!1! (Score:2)
This not only allows you a stronger signal between "Bob and Alice" but it allows you to deliver a weaker signal to "Eve" (the evesdropper in all crypto books). If Eve isn't evesdropping, she will probably appreciate not having you contribute to her b
Re:THREE Antennas!!!1! (Score:2)
Needless to say, I have worked with this. It is much cooler than just for cellphones
When do cellular and WLAN merge? (Score:4, Interesting)
I know there is a difference in the licensing of the spectrum, but disregarding governmental interferences, prevents wireless LAN and cellular from essentially becoming the same type of standard?
3G licenses? (Score:1)
The march of wifi seems to be ongoing, and may end up trumping 3G. Partly I think it's the low cost and flexible market.
I've compared the price of 3G cards with using a hotspot. For £25/month from BT I can get 4,000 minutes on hotspots(16 hours). For £23.50 from Vodafone I can get a massive 75mb (yes mb)
Re:3G licenses? (Score:2)
note to self: (Score:2)
ack, you've caught me thinking aloud again
1 Gbit/s using multiple-antenna systems (Score:1)
"One of the reasons why multiple-antenna systems are not typically used today is the very high computing power that is required at the receiving end. This is because the information that is transmitted simultaneously by multiple antennas is received by multiple receiving antennas and has to be reconstructed in realtime for the receiving device. This exceeds the capabilities of the typical chips that are currently being employed in the mobile communication industry. The research
How many antennas? (Score:2)
I can't imagine what a cell phone sportin' that technology would look like... would I need to hook it up to my tin-foil hat for better reception?
by when? (Score:2)
I would think that something like this would appear (implemented) in a couple of years at most - with new phones going for some crazy price so about 3-4 years before the average person gets one.
Super! (Score:2)
I can get 1 gig wireless transfer rate.... but only 112k download rate, and I have to pay PER megabyte charges if I connect my phone to a laptop.
Now, if you could get wireless phone to wireless phone transfer rates... that would be interesting! With bandwidth like that, you could set up your own long distance network. Use a mux to send all kinds of different data and voice connections over wireless, and make a bazillion dollars. Certainly more than an unlimited wireless ac
Hmm.. Ya know whats funny? (Score:1)
smells like something's cookin'.. like.. hamburgers.. the longer I talk.. the more pungent the aroma! ya know?
[stranger] Far out man... Far out!
Glow in the dark? (Score:2)
This is highly irrelevant, but I was wondering if so many electromagnetic fields are going to make us glow in the dark. Seriously, we have mobiles, TV, radio, Wi-Fi and of course all other electronic devices. Are these devices safe? I know it's not X-ray or gamma radiation but so many emissions in our houses make me worry. I could live with 1MBps wireless if 1GBps wireless is going to fry my precious fragile DNA.
Just for the record, I'm currently studying the non-homologous end join mechanism for the rep
Re:Glow in the dark? (Score:2)
Nope - they're all in the radio and microwave frequencies. To glow in the dark you need visible radiation, which requires much, much higher energy. E = hf, and the frequency of a visible photon is several orders of magnitude greater than radio. If your phone is actually glowing in the dark, you probably don't have much to worry about because the battery will only last around five seconds
I still want to know why (Score:2)
Meanwhile, voice communication (you know, "telephone") still only uses bandwidth of about 4kHz and is not likely to change in the foreseeable future.
Hertz was German, too (Score:2)
That's 10b:Hz. I can't wait to hear about their novel encoding strategy.
Re:hertz is signaling rate, bandwidth is throughpu (Score:2)
Take everything MIMO with a ton of salt (Score:2, Informative)
The capacity increase is *theoretically* limited by the max number of antennae in input or output: say there are N transmitters and N receivers
All I'm asking for is.... (Score:2)
I'm an indie developer, and do *alot* of remote sessions by SSH. Such service would free me (at last) from having to plan trips and vacations around which hotels provide DSL Internet service to its guests. (although, to be fair, it's much easier to find that now than it used to
Maybe in the lab but... (Score:2)
Sounds mighty improbable... (Score:2)
Obligatory Wardriving Post (Score:2)
What happens when... (Score:2)
Does your head blow up (buffer overflow!) or something?
New and improved... slices, dices, etc.. (Score:2)
Okay... three transmitting antennae and four receiving antennae... hmm...
I'm trying to picture the kind of interferrence this causes with all three/four antennae doing spread spectrum and hopping around to find open channels to load up on.
Also kinda wondering if this will drop like crazy when I heat up my muffin in the morning in the microwave. Hmm...
I'm also wondering whether I would feel safe having this kind of device on my person... as it is, current celphones emit quite a bit of power.
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