The CPU: From Conception to Birth 179
CrzyP writes "Most of us have seen flowcharts and heard lectures on how a CPU functions in a computer. What a lot of us do not know, however, is how a CPU is created. Sudhian describes the step-by-step process of how a CPU is made, from grains of sand to a wafer of circuits. Ahhh sand, the building block of life...in the tech world!"
Re:how to make a cup huh? (Score:2)
How IC Designers Paint Rooms... (Score:1)
2. Put an open can of paint in the paint shaker.
3. Turn it on. Run out of the room very quickly.
Everything in the room is now covered with paint.
4. Wait until the paint dries.
5. Cover every part of the room you really wanted painted with masking tape.
Leave the floor, switch plates, etc. uncovered.
6. Put an open can of paint remover in the paint shaker.
7. Turn it on. Run out of the room very quickly.
Everything not covered with masking tape is now clean
Link? (Score:2, Insightful)
Hmmm... Sand
Re:Link? (Score:1)
Oh, duh. (Score:2, Informative)
The link [sudhian.com] works. Just a browser fart. Never mind.
well.. (Score:5, Funny)
It's slashdotted already so here's the poop:
1 Write out chip functions.
2 Emulate on high end computers.
3 Tape out prototypes.
4 Port Linux to new chip.
5 Send SCO US$699 per core.
Re:well.. (Score:3, Funny)
1. design a CPU in just 5 days for a market opportunity you suddently saw (*cough* 8086 *cough*).
2. pray that this CPU will not dominate the market since it is really crap and you have better designs anyway.
3. watch said CPU dominate the market for the next 20 years.
4. twist your arm to find ways to speed it up.
5. buy and burry other much better CPU architectures (*cough* Alpha *cough*) because the beast you created does not die in any way.
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Summary (Score:2, Insightful)
Slashdot: News for dorks who try to pass off as nerds.
Parent wasn't a troll (Score:5, Interesting)
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Slashdotted already... (Score:5, Funny)
When a daddy CPU and a mommy CPU really loves each other, they get together reeeal close and...
Re:Slashdotted already... (Score:5, Funny)
A bunch of slashdotters imagine a beowulf cluster?
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When CPUs divorce (Score:5, Funny)
Eventually if things continue as they are, the two processors split in an ever growing trend in electronics of single processor systems and live in their own cases on their own motherboards. Sure, applications at times suffer, but it's for the best and they can still have visitation with both processors via a shared wireless network.
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The real question is ... (Score:5, Funny)
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DNA microarrays (Score:5, Interesting)
DNA microarrays from Affymetrix, used to quantify gene expression, are built on a process inspired from CPU design (photolitography - read more about it here [affymetrix.com]). Chips are getting more complex with time, ala Moore Law (shrinking the probe cells to get more density); the most recent human chip harbor 1 300 000 probes representing 39000 transcripts and variants.
So technology developed for CPU is helping to find cures for diseases, increase our knowledge of life... etc. Isn't cool?
Re:DNA microarrays (Score:5, Funny)
That depends. Can you overclock it?
A little on the short side, but with pretty pics (Score:5, Informative)
A quick search on Google ("silicon fabrication introduction") turns up arguably better links.
One from SGS Thompson [eteonline.com]
A basic one from Intel [intel.com]
From Bell Labs [bell-labs.com]
And there are plenty more.
Re:A little on the short side, but with pretty pic (Score:5, Funny)
So dull... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:So dull... (Score:4, Insightful)
Its really annoying.
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The CPU/Computer Paradox (Score:2, Funny)
Re:The CPU/Computer Paradox (Score:2)
huuuuuge, huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge transparencies in a huge room.
Re:The CPU/Computer Paradox (Score:1)
The wire-wrapped board of TTL gates that built the CPU.
Decisions, decisions... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Decisions, decisions... (Score:3, Informative)
siliCON is for chips, siliCONE is for tits!
Re:Decisions, decisions... (Score:1)
Now I know why those American women have such.. solid boobs!
Starting from scratch (Score:5, Interesting)
The thought experiment I perform is to imagine what it would take to get the end product from absolutely nothing except the stuff around you found naturally. Working in the basement of the University of Washington physics laboratory, I often wondered how someone would build a milling machine or an industrial lathe. You can cut wood with rudimentary tools, and making crude iron or steel tools isn't too complicated, but how would construct a precise machine with all the guages and dials and electric motors and so on?
It sure brings me to a realization of just how far we have come from slogging about in mud and eating rats like we did in the dark ages. Our world is so complicated that no one person can understand more than a small fraction of it. Everyone is a specialist of one sort of another, even the garbage collectors and sewage system maintainers. Every generation of worker brings ingenuity to the job, and bit by bit their job becomes more and more complicated yet efficient.
Soon, will we each have a small chunk of humanity's experience in our skulls? Will we rule an insanely complicated world governed by machines and processes no one can fully understand? Or have we already come to that point?
Specialization, optimization, and crisis (Score:4, Insightful)
Vinge [sdsu.edu], and others, have played with this concept in a sci-fi arena, but I wonder - what happens when, to take your example, garbage men hit the wall on efficiency at disposing garbage? (This implies the whole supply chain - or perhaps I should say the removal chain - of garbage mitigation specialists hitting a limit, including recyclers, dumpers, shippers, lobbyists, specialist accountants, etc.) Inputs to the garbage industry will likely be still capable of increasing demand (or, again oddly for this example, an aspect of supply), so economics start kicking in, raising costs of disposal. With garbage, we're seeing the start of this already, and in some extreme cases, lots of noise (a certain mountain in Navada [yuccamountain.org], for instance).
This has, in turn, second order effects for lots of other industries and people, and almost nobody understands the problem, other than the people who are the maxed out specialists, for a given social, technological and economic milleu. Problems, solutions and examples of poor communication and scams start to multiply.
It is fun stuff to think about, especially because I think we're getting a little close in certain areas. I hope to have a paper out on this soonish.
Re:Specialization, optimization, and crisis (Score:3, Interesting)
A classic example of this was the gold mines in Virginia City, Nevada. For about 10-15 years miners spent quite a bit of time (and very dangerous effort) trying to extract gold out of the mountains around the city. They started to dump the tailings from the gold minin
Re:Specialization, optimization, and crisis (Score:2)
I may have been misleading, or you may have misread - I'm not interested in waste disposal, per se - that was just an example picked up from the parent post, used to talk about a different topic. My little kick is about systemic interactions when progress in one or more elements of the
Re:Starting from scratch (Score:1)
You can attach a wire, battery, and light and have a simple circuit. Even making an AND or OR circuit isn't real complicated but how do you construct billions of these circuits in order to type this simple comment.
I think each of us already has small chunk of humanity's experience in our skulls.
Re:Starting from scratch (Score:4, Insightful)
It sure brings me to a realization of just how far we have come from slogging about in mud and eating rats like we did in the dark ages.
"Oh, Denis, there's some lovely filth down here!"
It only takes a few days in complete, freezing electrical darkness to realize how dependent and utterly helpless big cities can be (and therefore its citizens) without technology [imiuru.com].
Luckily in 1998 there were lots of people less troubled to help us out, and people mobilized from everywhere possible.
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"Build Your Own Metalworking Shop from Scrap" (Score:5, Informative)
Step one is to make a charcoal foundry, starting with a pail, fire clay, and a steel pipe. With this you can cast parts. You hand-carve wooden masters, make sand moulds, and pour molten metal into them.
Once you can cast, the next step is to build a lathe - the simplest machine tool. You'd probably have to make a very crude lathe first, but once you have even a crude lathe, you can make round things. Then you can make a better lathe.
The next tool is a shaper, or planer, which allows you to make flat things. You're now up to the machining technology of 1850 or so, and can make small steam engines. Take a look at a steam locomotive. It's all castings with a little finish machining. All the finish machining is either lathe or planer work - there are no milled parts with complex surfaces.
The other early power tool, not mentioned in Gingery, is a steam hammer. You don't need that for small work, but the steam hammer is the tool that made it possible to make stuff too big to hammer out by hand. Watt's factory had a steam hammer by 1810 or so.
Once you have the lathe and planer, you can build, with difficulty, a milling machine. Once you have a milling machine, you can build more milling machines without too much trouble. And you can build a better mill than the one you've got.
Once you have a good mill, you can make almost anything makeable in metal.
People have built machine tools from these books, so it's quite possible.
Re:"Build Your Own Metalworking Shop from Scrap" (Score:4, Informative)
Instruments of Amplification [lindsaybks.com] that describes how to make your own electronic and electromechanical amplifiers from scratch. Great addition if you have to restart civilization on your own!
Re:"Build Your Own Metalworking Shop from Scrap" (Score:4, Insightful)
Following Gingery's book, you can create nearly anything. However, where are you going to get the metal from which to create these works of art/machinery? You have to find and dig ore and refine it into metals. What do you start digging with?
I think the original bootstrap for metal (used for work, not money) was copper found in nuggets. These days it's much harder to find natural nuggets of metal -- everyone who came before has already found them!
So you need to dig with wood, stone, and flesh tools. Find enough ore to make a shovel's worth of metal. Grind a large stone into a bowl and melt the ore. Hot fires can be created with coal and hollow reeds blowing air into them -- make sure you have plenty! Once your ore is melted, drain off the top stuff and you're left with the metal. A shovel can be hammered out of your ingot with a stone, so that's essentially the starting point of your metal tools.
Using your more efficient metal shovel, dig more ore -- make more shovels -- find friends to help dig.
Now, let's say you've obtained enough metal to build your lathe. How do you get it to turn? Steam engine? Nope, you don't have a running lathe yet to help you build one! One could create a large, cast metal flywheel and have your friends (and how gracious you must be to have friends like this!!) keep it going -- that will give you enough power (or rather momentum, stored energy from your friends) to turn metal on your lathe. Your two choices of high-density material are metal and stone. If you choose a metal flywheel, you and your friends have got a lot more digging to do! If you choose stone, you have to cast a few stoneworking tools, but that's probably easier than digging enough ore for 100 lbs of metal.
Gingery's book just has you go find/buy an electric motor.
In other words, if you *really* want to re-enact the industrial revolution, you need to be patient and have plenty of labor. The key is all in the raw materials and the labor to extract it.
Where to get some extra power before Steam Engines (Score:3, Informative)
Re:"Build Your Own Metalworking Shop from Scrap" (Score:1)
If you have to rebuild society because something really bad has happened, you could simply get metal from derelict machinery. After all, those nuggets had to go somewhere, it's not like they went to a big nuclear reactor and were converted into hydrogen.
If you're just building a blacksmith shop ju
Re:"Build Your Own Metalworking Shop from Scrap" (Score:2)
I suppose I wouldn't survive too long trying to build my machine shop
Re:Starting from scratch (Score:1)
What the world has become is a collection of redundancys, obfuscation. And to top it off, a bunch of arrogant people who dont want to take the time
Re:Starting from scratch (Score:1)
In a way, nature does the same thing on an admittedly much more basic level...Fusion...Its possible that the universe it'self is becoming more complicated.
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Sand? Cornerstone? (Score:2, Funny)
Sand (Score:1)
Huh?
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Amazing accuracy of the Step & Repeat Machines (Score:1)
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Obv. Raising Arizona (Score:3, Funny)
[an old convict and H.I. lying on their prison bunks, passing the time]
Ear-Bending Cellmate :
H.I. : You ate what?
Ear-Bending Cellmate : We ate sand.
[pause]
H.I. : You ate SAND?
Ear-Bending Cellmate : That's right!
What about die color? (Score:3, Informative)
About a year ago I bought a couple xp 1700s that overclocked amazingly high, obviously a high quality processor set aside for selling in the lower end market. It also was the green/amber shiney color.
Re:What about die color? (Score:2)
Remember, that's one of the big problems of getting smaller than 90nm, the fact that at that wavelength things like glass are rather opaque (hence the need to use quartz).
The chips which appear dull are either using much larger structures or might have some sort of 'protective cover' over them.
PLD.
Re:What about die color? (Score:5, Informative)
The green/amber part you were looking at may have been a protective coating applied when the microprocessor was packaged. Regardless, microfabricated chips can indeed be technicolored marvels.
Most materials used in microfabrication are either transparent (insulating layers) or grey (metallization), but resulting devices can appear coloured due to optical interference [fsu.edu]. Colours present in structures of a microfabricated device are related to the thickness and composition of the patterned thin-film coatings that form the device. For a single thin film, thickness can be determined from, for example, the Michel-Lévy interference colour chart [microscopyu.com] if the birefringence of the thin film material is known. Variations in colour across a film indicate non-uniform thickness. The colour resulting from several layers of patterned thin-films is more complex to predict, but the same basic principles apply.
Re:What about die color? (Score:2, Interesting)
Krispy Kreme! (Score:4, Funny)
Crystal Silicon Ingot (Score:1, Funny)
Much better article... (Score:4, Informative)
What's inside (Score:1)
As a digital designer I can't help to point out that the man time invested in an ASIC these days is an order of magnitude of what it takes to build a single chip. TSMC can put a chip out in two weeks.
Of course I'm not taking in consideration the time taken to prepare the fab to be ready for first production, but when you and your team of 10 work tirelessly for a year, two weeks turnaround time always seems amazing.
-P@
Re:What's inside (Score:2)
I doubt that, unless it is a gate array.
Re:What's inside (Score:1)
If your design is flawless and they have masks. The job to fabricate the chip can be done in two weeks i think.
Fabricating a chip with already optimized processes should be as easy as printing our design from a printer.
Lame... (Score:3, Informative)
For example, sand is not melted in a quartz bucket to make an ingot. Sand is Si02, or quartz. THe bucket would melt, and you;'d have an ingot full of Si and 02. Sand is made into gaseous silcon, called silane gas, which is then allowed to crystallize into a solid, chunks of which are melted in a quartz bucket.
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"Holes" (Score:2)
Yes they do, halve of the transistors in the CPU rely on this fact. I know what you tried to say, but mind your words..
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A hole is someone you want to a void, but not the other way a round.
Conception? Birth? Ha! (Score:1)
Many similar articles, but not one answers this... (Score:2, Interesting)
I've got a sample 100mm wafer on my desk with several hunderd ICs of some sort arranged in a grid on it. The ICs are only 4mm x 4mm, but the distance between them is about 0.1mm.
What sort of cutting device is used to chop these 4x4 squares out of the die without messing up the adjacent ones?
This wafer isn't special in any way and I'm sure other wafers would have
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Carsten
Re:Many similar articles, but not one answers this (Score:1)
See this CleanRooms article [pennnet.com] for more details
Best Place I Worked... (Score:3, Interesting)
It was like a geek's heaven inside. Everything was the best, new and working just right. They spent something like 1.5 billion pounds ($3 billion US) on the place. Hell, even the coffee machines were wonderful.
Inside the (huge) clean room was best - fully automated monorails all over the ceiling, carrying pods of wafers around, for instance. Row upon row of ovens with pure oxygen atmospheres at several hundred degrees C, implanters using silly amount of electricity (and huge copper hooks to remove people stuck), and incredibly dangerous chemicals being piped all over (including the very scary HF - 'If it leaks near you, there's no point in running').
Wonderful stuff. It was all incredibly interesting, to see all the processes that went into making (relatively simple) RAM chips.
Shame the arse fell out of the DRAM market in 1999, meaning they closed the place. Atmel are using it now.
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There are many other dangerous substances in a chip fab like silan, arsin, phosphin, chlourtriflouride (now thats nasty). But all over all the amount is pretty low and everything is sealed of insanely well. It is much more dangerous to work in a chemical plant.
Re:Best Place I Worked... (Score:2, Informative)
I too have heard that it's the most evil 30 seconds of life that you'll ever finish with, but of course there were never any problems with that crap.
They had enough problems selling enough chips to keep me employed, and in that they failed miserably.
Re:Best Place I Worked... (Score:1)
Huh?
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Wow (Score:1, Offtopic)
Some mistakes... (Score:3, Informative)
Although it's a neat effort to explain some engineering & physics to the avg case modder running XP & windowblinds (;-)) there's an initial nasty mistake:
The new wafers are then taken and doped appropriately for the type of transistors that will be made out of them. Doping amounts to depositing other elements into the space between silicon atoms. This is what causes silicon to be the "semiconductor" that it is. Transistors today are made from "CMOS" technology, or Complementary Metal Oxide Semiconductors. Complementary means the interaction of "n" and "p" MOS
No, no... doping is about getting impurities inside the Si lattice substituting some of the Si atoms. The whole concept is: electron energy levels of a single atom becoming thick bands for hoards of electrons to fly within; if the next band is empty & close enough to the last full band you have an "intrinsic" semic. Doping the crystal means to get other atoms (P) into the lattice so that their electrons are weakly tied and readily bumped into the conduction band (@ room temp); or you plug greedy B into the lattice so that it grabs an e- all for itself leaving some other Si without and a roaming Hole inside the last full band...Leaving doping atoms wedged inside the lattice without participating to the whole electron/lattice exchange doesn't do anything good, perhaps it just deforms the reticle creating all sorts of defects & a useless brick of solid sand
Overall this article lacks a lot of geek factor... there's so many "cool" catchy words and processes like Silicon Over Insulator, Damascene Process, dovetail prevention, SiN and SuperK dielectric... bah, it could have been a LOT better... have a look in ars [arstechnica.com]Re:Some mistakes... (Score:1)
Nice buzzword dropping, but next time at least do it right - I count at least three mistakes.
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Well, its "Silicon On Insulator" (SOI), Si3N4 (whatever may be exciting about it) and high-k. I also do not know about dovetail, but it may be related to problems with void filling in interconnects as you get structures similar to a dovetail there. The phenomenon you are referring to is probably the "birds peak", common in LOCOS formation.
Sorry, I do not have any links. I'd suggest to look for some books about semiconductor prozessing e.g. S.M.Sze or Madou.
Elementary-School Level, and Misleading (Score:2, Informative)
CrzyP writes "Most of us have seen flowcharts and heard lectures on how a CPU functions in a computer. What a lot of us do not know, however, is how a CPU is created.
I swear I envisioned decisions of how many registers to do what, what the instruction set should include, pipelining, hardwired vs. microprogramming, etc. Insteresting Stuff, at least to this nerd.
BUT NOOOOOO, it's about:
Sudhian describes the step-by-step process of how a CPU is made, from grains of sand to a wa
This is a lame article. (Score:1)
It's a lot more than a SPICE simulation, I think...
Ob. Simpsons (Score:3, Funny)
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Re:More bad writing here .... (Score:1)
And how do you 'know' this ? My guess is that you don't. Maybe upto 50% of your audience knows how a chip is made.... who knows.
I wouldn't be surprised if 50 percent know more about making semiconductors than does the author of TFA.
Anybody know what the average age of the slashdot herd is ? 22? 15? 10?
I'm an Old Fart at 47. An age distribution of