Design Your Own Audio Controller 125
pronobozo writes with a link to "a cool interface called LEMUR for controlling audio applications. 'LEMUR is a handy and modular touchpanel based controller designed for audio and multimedia real-time applications. Our technology associates multitouch capabilities with visual display. LEMUR is provided with an extensible library of User Interface Objects such as faders, switchs, pads, keyboards, strings, etc.'" It's also vaporware at this point, but looks cool enough I hope it really reaches the market early next year as the site promises.
does it go to 11 ? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:does it go to 11 ? (Score:4, Insightful)
In theory, there isn't such a limitation. However, we suggest you not to use more than ten fingers at once, since our sensor hasn't been experimented yet by 11 fingers beta testers.
Re:does it go to 11 ? (Score:1)
Re:does it go to 11 ? (Score:2)
Needs a seperate mixer channel (Score:3, Funny)
Hmmm (Score:1, Interesting)
Also the lack of midi output is odd.
Re:Hmmm (Score:2)
Also, my friend Bart Grantham sent me the link to this thing a few days ago. He beat you, slashdot.
Re:Hmmm (Score:2)
Re:Hmmm (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Hmmm (Score:5, Informative)
Also, OSC == THE FUTURE, so meh re: lack of MIDI. :)
Re:Hmmm (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Hmmm (Score:1)
Re:Hmmm (Score:2)
Re:Hmmm (Score:1)
Not me though, but I bet someone has.
Re:Hmmm (Score:1)
Re:Hmmm (Score:1)
Horse shit. MIDI is one of those protocols which just works, and works well, and does not need to go away.
OSC may be nice, but then so is XML. Should we replace MIDI with XML? No. Why?
Because there are thousands upon thousands of MIDI devices out there. They're all still good. They all still work.
The lack of MIDI on this thing is ridiculous, and demonstrates ingenuity on the part of a 'controller designer'. If it ain't got MIDI, it ain't a con
Re:Hmmm (Score:1)
Re:Hmmm (Score:1)
Just because Tracktion got it wrong, doesn't mean you should be jumping to any conclusions
Re:Hmmm (Score:1)
What?
I thought that was what
No seriously, I shouldn't. But since the rest of Tracktion is really well designed, I just assumed that he got it right...
Re:Hmmm (Score:1)
1. It's slow.
2. It requires *yet another cable*
3. Sysex is ugly.
4. MMC and other midi-based control systems are ugly hacks at best.
5. 7 bits? WTF? Lost of times, you just need more than 127 possible values!
6. Support
Re:Hmmm (Score:1)
Umm.. our customers just do it. They don't have problems backing up patches.. or restoring them for that matter.
Your other points are rubbish. MIDI is still here because it works, its implemented, and thousands and thousands of people are using it, still to this day, to make good tunes.
Re:Hmmm (Score:2)
Apparently you've never been to Tennessee.
From TFA (Score:1)
*snip*
What do you mean by "Multitouch capabilities"?
It means that it allows the use of multiple fingers at once, thanks to its multitouch sensitive LCD.
Re:Hmmm (Score:1)
Nah, MIDI sucks. It's 80s technology. OSC is a far superior protocol. Why shove a hi res controller through 7 bits?
i'd make my own LCARS (Score:1)
as said, midi only uses 7 bits in stead of 32 wich are needed to get a decent resolution and throughput.
also, most important - this is not a audio thingie, but a lot more than that. Once they are affordable i'll have one, as input device. If they are going to b supported in some games, that'd be great. Personally, i'd make my own LCARS [wikipedia.org] into a reality.
OT: I'd make my own LCARS (Score:2)
Interesting acronym (Score:1, Funny)
No MIDI Support? (Score:2, Interesting)
How does this affect the LEMUR's ability to interface with application such as Cakewalk's SONAR?
Does OSC provide a way to interface with MIDI applications?
Re:No MIDI Support? (Score:4, Insightful)
It practically eliminates that compatability. While OSC is an open protocol, and even though there are quite a few products listed (including a bunch of open source items), it is pretty much a Reaktor thing. Don't get me wrong, Reaktor is very, very cool. But if you wanted to use it with ProTools or Cubase or Logic or FLSTudio or Magix or Cakewalk, you would probably have to setup some sort of OSC proxy that sits on the OSC bus and outputs MIDI.
I cannot fault them for taking this approach -- there are some limitations with MIDI, with some ugly workarounds and some pretty bad scalability issues. Imagine if you were epxected to run Kermit over Ethernet instead of TCP/IP, I think that's a fairly good analogy.
I suppose you could extend something like MIDI-OX to implement OSC, and cause it to route the messages you were interested in onto the midi bus.
I have no doubt at all you could make Reaktor do exactly that, sit on the OSC bus and pass some of the messages through, filtered for your various midi devices.
If the Lemur becomes popular, the support will follow. Wake me up when I can buy on on Zzounds. Meanwhile I'll continue building my ucapps.de midibox, using my Peavey PC-1600's and my FCB-1010. Right now my rig has seven instruments and 4 controllers, and while MIDI is frustrating, I have not reached its limitations.
Re:No MIDI Support? (Score:1)
# Is it possible to control a midi software or hardware with LEMUR?
Nowadays, the is no way to control directly your prefered midi device or application with LEMUR. Nevertheless, here is a trick to manage it. You can use a software such as Max/MSP to convert and route OSC data to your MIDI application.
Re:No MIDI Support? (Score:1)
It's a little bit like saying, "you can have feature XXX, just download gcc and make it happen."
Chances are, if and when this thing ever gets to the market, there will be a software driver to make it do things like route/filter midi controller messages.
I guess it makes no sense to argue what a piece of hardware can and cannot do, if you can't even get your hands on the hardware!
Re:No MIDI Support? (Score:2)
Although, in Max/MSP it should be very simple to do, it doesn't change the fact that Max/MSP is not free software.
Re:No MIDI Support? (Score:1)
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Re:No MIDI Support? (Score:1)
Bridging it back to MIDI in software is pretty trivial - if it takes off, you will most likely see limited OSC support in all the big sequencers fairly rapidly. However, because many of them use MIDI as their native event protocol, full OSC support will take much longer.
A few big apps already support it -
Mods (Score:1, Funny)
(+1 INFORMATIVE)
Re:Wow...this really *is* juat an ad site now, huh (Score:1)
Re:Wow...this really *is* juat an ad site now, huh (Score:2)
"LEMUR is a handy and modular touchpanel based controller" - no it's not, it isn't anything (other than an idea).
"LEMUR is provided with an extensible library of User Interface Objects" - no it isn't, it isn't provided at all!
It's no good admitting that you're just passing on vapour and yet continuing to quote incorrect statements.
Re: Ads are okay on /., right? (Score:2)
Just check the FAQ [slashdot.org] to see what's meant with "the Omelette".
Now, about that bike... thanks, but I've already got one of these [challengebikes.com].
*thinks* (Score:2, Interesting)
and of course, "just how many arms and legs am i going to have to give to have one?"
Re:*thinks* (Score:2)
It's too bad no one's thought of a [stantondj.com] way [numark.com] around [geminidj.com] that [denon.com]...
but i think the magic questions will be : Just how functional is this? Is it going to have a lot of flashy bells and whistles and doodads, or is it going to be efficent?
They're marketing it to DJ's
It's the software (Score:2)
Also, the *nice* thing about physical pots and buttons is that I can see that they are there and will eventually see what they do. Similarly, you can see *all* of the console and its settings at a glance, handy when something goes wrong and you're not quite sure where it's gone wrong.
Xix.
Price (Score:1)
It was mentioned on the Linux Audio Developer list, that the suggested price is in the $2000 range.
mvh
Been done already - obligitory HHG ref (Score:5, Funny)
"The machine was rather difficult to operate. For years radios had been operated by means of pressing buttons and turning dials; then as the technology became more sophisticated the controls were made touch-sensitive - you merely had to brush the panels with your fingers; now all you had to do was wave your hand in the general direction of the components and hope."
Chapter 12 [globusz.com]
Re:Been done already - obligitory HHG ref (Score:1, Redundant)
I agree completely.
Ban Google, today!
Infomercial (Score:2, Troll)
In other news, Slashdot user pronobozo works for JazzMutant. More like proMobozo to me...
Re:Infomercial (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Infomercial (Score:5, Interesting)
I would be surprised if people didn't try to use Slashdot in this way. Just look at how Roland Piquepaille has made a business out of getting Timothy (I think it's usually him) to publish his inane Slashdot submissions, which ALWAYS have link-backs to his "summaries" of various news stories in his blog. He's Slashvertizing for his blog, so he can get more advertising hits.
What does it all mean? Well, you just have to be a little more cynical around here I guess. In any case, it's nothing really new - used to be we'd see vaporware announcements and the like float by, but the submission writer and the sketchy company weren't usually one and the same. Now sometimes they are.
Re:Infomercial (Score:1)
Re:Infomercial (Score:2)
In Roland's case though....I wonder if he even makes money seeing as how nobody RTFA.
Re:Infomercial (Score:2)
Just to confirm my suspicions (since it was pretty obvious from his use of italics) I checked the link and sure enough, it was the first paragraph he quoted.
So while it is entirely possible that he is an astroturfer...it seems very unlikely, especially with the vaporware comment at the end and since the suspicious part that y
In case of the Slashdotting... (Score:3, Interesting)
Fernandinande... (Score:2)
Slack on, you crazy diamond.
Re:Fernandinande... (Score:1)
http://www.zeia.net/ [zeia.net]
Re:Fernandinande... (Score:2)
Good idea that should be expanded (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm thinking, in particular, things liking theatrical light and sound boards in which you use most of the sliders very rarely - but its still important that you have the option to input them through a slider or nob (as opposed to entering a number).
I bet there are other applications in industries where large control boards are involved where this could be useful as well.
Re:Good idea that should be expanded (Score:1)
Re:Good idea that should be expanded (Score:2)
"I bet there are other applications in industries where large control boards are involved where this could be useful as well.
Yes, for example, when you need to reroute the phaser array through to the main deflector. This is useful in destroying large ships, placating energy-hungry life-forms, and removing plaque.
Another useful application is searching for the life .. forms, the leetle life-forms ..
+10 to anyone who gets that last reference
Re:Good idea that should be expanded (Score:2)
Re:Good idea that should be expanded (Score:2)
Re:Good idea that should be expanded (Score:1)
Although I can think of other potentially convenient applications such as 'context sensitive menus' such as those found in the 3d modeling package Blender http://www.blender3d.org/ [blender3d.org]. In there, function keys bring up completely different sets of buttons. Kinda like the armament consoles in F-16s.
Re:Good idea that should be expanded (Score:2)
Sure, I can think of a great application set that requires multipress sensitivity: every application that doesn't require multipress sensitivity. Ever been annoyed by an accidental finger brushing against your laptop touchpad, sending the pointer to oblivion? By doing some basic "finger tracking" a multipress touch interface can choose to ignore spurious brushes against the touch surface -- ve
Re:fingerworks.com (Score:1)
Re:Good idea that should be expanded (Score:2)
Hmm... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Hmm... (Score:2, Informative)
(ducks)
DIY MIDI (Score:5, Informative)
Re:DIY MIDI (Score:1)
LEMUR not pressure/velocity sensitive (Score:3, Insightful)
Still, anything to break away from having to use a mouse to tweak realtime parameters on-screen is welcome.
You should simulate your control in SW first (Score:3, Informative)
Where's the sound (Score:1, Funny)
HELLO!
Looks alot like the MIT research... (Score:1)
Similar device by MIT (Score:2, Interesting)
The devices are similar, but the MIT project seems to place the bar higher concerning potential UI innovations instead of re-creating existing hardware virtually. (Look at the IP Workbench [mit.edu] example video and see what I mean...)
Re:Similar device by MIT (Score:2)
not that I don't understand where you are comming from, actually..
I'm an Industrial design student, just starting my last year, and my final graduation project will most likely be in this field, IE music composi
Re:Similar device by MIT (Score:2)
Well, current products sometimes try and hide their head in the sand and pretend that audio feedback is just as good. That's always an option
I believe Sony claims that an LCD screen + piezo-electric vibrations is enough for basic tactile feedback, and had a demo some time ago.
I've thought of using a LCD with small pin-like buttons (a couple mm of diameter) going through holes at short regular interv
Re:Similar device by MIT (Score:2)
whee (Score:1)
Not an actual unit... (Score:1)
The unit itself is only shown as a CG image-- it looks like an _idea_ for a unit.
Was this shown in Paris or not?
I doubt every "check out this cool new thing they rendered!" post on /.
Cool? (Score:1)
Similar (Score:2)
Re:Similar (Score:2)
So... (Score:1)
...are they selling this thing yet, or what?
Positively beautiful piece of equipment, if it did Midi it would be a great replacement for my MIR [xvisionaudio.com] midi controller (which I use to control Pro Tools [digidesign.com] transport and to tweak my reverb). I particularly like the Tron-style buttons.
It doesn't seem to support MIDI, and I ask, WHY? I'm all for adoption of open standards, but is not MIDI, or even MTS, open and available for anyone to implement? I loooked up OSC [berkeley.edu] and it looks very promising, but it is completely abse
Flying faders? (Score:2)
Re:Flying faders? (Score:1)
Where's a $100 flying fader panel with Linux drivers?
Audio and Linux don't mix. Or do they? Anyone who knows, please respond.
You're unlikely to find flying-fader anything for less than a thousand USD. The celebrated Mackie HUI is no longer with us, but Mackie Universal Control [mackie.com] is cool, and talks to everything.
Re:Flying faders? (Score:2)
Re:Flying faders? (Score:2)
Ardour can also do that with many high-end digital mixers that accept MIDI control.
The general protocol for such things is still MIDI, sometimes generic MIDI controllers, sometimes SysEx.
Re:Flying faders? (Score:2)
Re:Flying faders? (Score:1)
It feels like the Play-Skool piece of kit it is.
The Problem with this: LACK OF FEEL (Score:4, Informative)
Example: My tv remote. I'm watching tv, I pick up the remote, and I can adjust channel, volume, power etc with out looking at the remote. With a device like this, you cant do that, as there is no tactile feel, you cant just feel where the volume button is and press it, you have to visually find it first. There is a programmable LCD remote available that has floundered on the market for exactly this reason.
This also applies to the main application for this device, audio mixing (as well as stage lighting and visual applications.) Try cueing audio to some on stage effect while having to look at this device instead of looking onstage...
Its a cool device and I'd love it at home, but the lack of tactile feel will make it useless in many applications.
Ardour (Score:1)
Fulfill my dream of having a Linux based hard disk recorder!
For those that haven't heard of it, it's an audio recording program, similar to Protools, that's open source.
Any hardware specs on this thing? (Score:2)
Re:Any hardware specs on this thing? (Score:2)
Display - Size : 12 inches diagonal - 800x600 pixels - Resolution : 800x600 pixels - Type : LCD - Contrast : Ajustable
Sensor - Sensor resolution : 100x128 - Number of fingers at once : 20 (two hands + two feets)
Central Processor Unit (CPU) - CPU : Nios 100Mhz 32bit float precision
Graphic Processor Unit (GPU) - Fill Rate : 360M Pixels/s - 2 pixels/cycle - Color format : RGB (5.6.5) : 65,536 colors - 16bit RGB/ARGB and 8 bits Alpha Textures - Texture Mapping :
Probably uses an FPGA... More hacking potential :) (Score:2)
true DIY audio - the LATMAN project (Score:1)
By the way, its name, LATMAN, is a really nice acronym, you'll
laggy ether vapor (Score:2)
No latency ethernet? What else are they "kidding" about?
LEMUR... (Score:1)
Goat.cx Troll (Score:1)