Batteries For Your Pen And Paper? 120
An anonymous reader writes "We've been hearing about the paperless office for years now, but we never seem to get any nearer to that environmentally friendly nirvana. It's just too easy to jot things down on a piece of paper, far easier than using a PDA. So maybe a digital pen and paper is the answer? The people at Pegasus, inventor of the Mobile NoteTaker certainly think so. Unfortunately, the
guy who reviewed the NoteTaker thinks otherwise."
Why not a PDA? (Score:5, Informative)
"Now, as a cheap gadget this would all be perfectly acceptable. But when put within the context of its price it borders on crazy. I am all for convergence technologies, but when you consider the Mobile NoteTaker is priced at just under £150 I cannot see many takers. This is more expensive than some colour PDAs we have had in the labs and 50 per cent more than the very useable palmOne Zire 31 which can be found for less than £100. "
I figure that if a person cannot use a PDA they are not going to be able to really use this. If you are one of those people, carry a pack of yellow-stickies.
Re:Why not a PDA? (Score:2)
Another solution... (Score:5, Insightful)
Cheers,
Erick
Re:Another solution... (Score:2)
Re:Please mod parent down, (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Please mod parent down, (Score:1)
Please read the parent(AC) dustinbarbour was responding to. That AC comment said something about c.pr0n and dustin was simply calling the Anonymous Coward out on it.
149 lb? (Score:4, Interesting)
Cheap PDA problem ... (Score:1)
I'm sure that higher end PDAs with high-res screens and accurate digitisers are way better these days, but based on my old Palm IIIc using it to take notes is a big no-no.
The limited resolution compared to pen and paper for a start. Unless you write big all you'll get is a pixelly mess. Coupled with terrible accuracy with the touch screen and you get a mess even if you try to write carefully and large. Of course, if you write large, then you can't write the message in the area yo
What's the sense in digital pen/paper- (Score:5, Insightful)
This will become about as widespread as MS BOB
-thewldisntenuff
Re:What's the sense in digital pen/paper- (Score:2)
Wow. You're paper is amazing to be able to still be read after being soaked. I wish I could have some of that paper. This sounds like a knee-jerk reaction to anything technological.
Environmentally friendly? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Environmentally friendly? (Score:1)
Why does
Re:Environmentally friendly? (Score:1)
It is quite clear that we are in a throw away society if something breaks we throw it out and get something newer and more sparkley.
Which takes me to my tree hugger mode and I have to ask, which is easier to recycle, small pieces of paper and biros, or all this tech?
At the end of the day which is the more eco-friendly solution? The paper or the tech?
I'm not a tree hugger or eco m
Re:Environmentally friendly? (Score:3, Insightful)
Sure. The moron environmentalist are those who can see no further than the very, very immediate circumstance.
In this case:
They assume they have the device.
They assume said device had no environmental impact.
They assume that because paper is made from plant fiber, it's bad.
They assume that the use of paper notes -- in toto -- will be worse than the use of technology -- in toto.
See? Simply. Just don't think past the moment
Note to the hippy disparagers. The author of
Re:Environmentally friendly? (Score:2)
Re:Environmentally friendly? (Score:2)
Anyway, the whole computers=ecofriendly thing is all wrong. Go ahead and buy your iMac, hippie, you'r
Lovely (Score:5, Interesting)
I think I'll pass for now, especially with the £150 (~$270)
Re:Lovely (Score:3, Interesting)
Yeah, but this comment set of my "dork-o-meter." The dork considered three SR41 (watch size [7.9mm x 3.6mm]) batteries in the pen and two (count them, only two) AAA betteries in the memory unit to be excessive. While I agree with many of his comments, the tone of the article in general was negative from the start, so it was pretty obvious that Gordon was suffering from severe constipation when he reviewed the product. I mean the guy even complained about the "boxy components at the h
Re:Lovely (Score:1)
poster forgot to RTFA (Score:5, Informative)
The build quality is cheap, it's big and bulky, it requires MS Office, etc.
The reviewer seemed to like what the technology had to offer, this implementation was just junky.
Jason
ProfQuotes [profquotes.com]
Re:poster forgot to RTFA (Score:2)
I mean, all you end up with is an image of what you wrote (and nevermind handwriting recognition, it simply doesn't work unless you are using a specialized standardized character set like Graffiti), and you can do that with a scanner for a lot less..
Re:poster forgot to RTFA (Score:2)
What advantages do computer filing systems have over paper systems?
You can your notes for every course you've ever taken with you in your notebook computer...If the prof starts talking about something you remember from 3 semesters ago, you'll can have your original notes from that lecture with you and you can look them up and refer to them during the class you're in.
You can "lend" your notes to a friend without worrying that you won't ge
Re:Nothing new here (Score:1)
Why does it have to be about Windoze all the time?
I would get one but... (Score:1, Funny)
It's a caponised PDA! (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeesh. The problem here isn't that digital note taking as a problem, it's that Pegasus is charging ten times what it's worth (or, alternatively, doing ten times less than they should for the money they charge).
Re:It's a caponised PDA! (Score:1)
Unfortunately, it is for real...
http://pegasustec.en.ec21.com/GC00554976
um, digital pen and paper? been done before.. (Score:3, Informative)
its slick in principle, but clunky, large, and uses expensive paper...
Re:um, digital pen and paper? been done before.. (Score:2, Insightful)
thats what i get for not reading the article first :p
Pen? Paper? (Score:2)
hrmm... nothing there...
Is this a new technology developed and perfected overseas, that is just now landing in North America? What is this thing you call "Pen"? What is this thing called "Paper"?
Re:Pen? Paper? (Score:1)
Pen: that thing the cashier lets you use when you pay with a credit card.
Paper: that colorful junk which you have to move from that box outside your house (a "mailbox") to your trash-can every day.
Paperless office... (Score:5, Insightful)
Not that it can't work, it just won't happen. Many years ago Xerox was hearing this new "buzzword" paperless office so much they decided to do something. They took a bunch of guys and sent them down to Palo Alto and told them to come back with this paperless office.
Well, they went down there and developed a number of things, Ethernet and GUI's being among the new things, and brought it back to show their bosses.
Once the head guys saw it they said: "No one will use this!".
Of course they were partly wrong, but partly right. Of course we use GUI's and Ethernet, but still no paperless office. And that "Office of the Future" was developed in 1970. 34 years later and we have no paperless office.
Why? It isn't feasible. As more computers go into the office, it seems to me that more paperwork is needed... just to take care of those computers.
Electronics are "earth friendly" either, so that isn't a good reason to ditch paper and pen. Trees for pencils and paper are usually grown on farms or their replacements planted immediately -- not so easy to replace the heavy metals sometimes used in electronics.
Plus... dumping paper in China isn't likely to kill their citizens like computer equipment dumped there does. (But as long as China takes the check for dumping services, that is partly their fault)
Correction (Score:1)
should read
Electronics aren't "earth friendly"
Sorry to correct myself, I swear I previewed... I guess if it looks right the first 3 times you look once more doen't help.
Re:Correction (Score:1, Funny)
No, it doen't.
Re:Paperless office... (Score:2)
It's very feasable. It just requires discipline, enforcement, totally outsourced printing, and a method to read that's as strain-free as plain paper.
In 10 years, once we have electronic paper tablets, we'll probably see the paperless office become "practicable." And from there, it'll rise or fall on its own meirts and the basis of its filing system.
Re:Paperless office... (Score:1)
I've been on a campaign to reduce the amount of paper that people give me, and it seems to be working well. The problem that I have with paper is that when I set it down, it just sits there. If I close an electronic file it's still available in its original location, rather than sitting somewhere in a pile of stuff on my desk (though I've been known to have some
Re:Paperless office... (Score:1)
Re:Paperless office... (Score:1)
Can't stand them. (yeah, all the astronomers I know are going to come and kill me now, but I think most of them know my aversion)
For note taking they're not as fast as pencil and paper, and I really prefer to read equations in the normal 2-D equation format. I've used them occasionally for papers.
When a friend was writing her thesis, she was going nuts trying to lay out large numbers of enormous equations in LaTex. She shelled out for Expressionist, which ca
Re:Paperless office... (Score:2)
All of the orders (~90%) were entered on computers where they were collected on "supervisor" machines and printed out to be entered into another computer.
Now, I know that it doesn't make sense at first but it did in the long run. You can't have the sales people entering orders into the AS/400 when they can barely work 3 keys on the keyboard. Plus, a human needs to get involved and make sure all the address information was correct as it may have been 20 years since a
Re:Paperless office... (Score:1)
People who don't know anything about process analysis often leave old inefficiencies in processes even when those processes are updated.
But there's more to the story.
People who DO know something about process analysis have a not-awesome record of missing details when trying to "streamline" an ages-old process. Now, I am all for cleaning things up,
Re:Paperless office... (Score:4, Informative)
Indeed. And the dirty little secret is that paper recycling is actually WORSE for the environment than harvesting newgrowth, but nobody wants to believe that in the face of the facts (which I haven't linked to here). In fact, about the only thing worth recycling, in terms of saving both energy and environment, is aluminum. Once oil gets too expensive to extract, plastic can join that list too.
So, if you want to *be* "earth friendly", instead of *feeling* earth-friendly, throw away everything except your cans (at least until we can recycle 100% of everything with molecular reassembly).
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Re:Paperless office... (Score:4, Insightful)
I would love to see them. I know that the local recycling program for paper saves about $60 per ton over standard disposal techniques despite having higher expenses. The reason is that recyclers are buying up the paper for more than the difference in costs (landfill vs. recycling program -- sorting for recycling is not cheap).
I suppose my question would be why are they buying used paper for the purpose of recycling it, when they could simply get regular ol' trees?
Somewhere along the line there is must be a significant energy or manpower expense.
I would place my bets that the studies you did not refer to don't include the full trail -- like shipping of the materials hundreds of kilometers.
Re:Paperless office... (Score:3, Informative)
Season 2, Episode 5 (#18 on the above linked page) - Recycling
Available on your p2p network of choice.
Re:Paperless office... (Score:2)
The cost issue, for the city of Toronto (Canada), for paper recycling is far below our landfill disposal costs -- due mostly to having a higher recovery rate than the "Myths" document indicates.
Toronto's (2.5Million canadians) net expenses for landfill are approx $87CDN per ton and blue boxes (basic recycling) is around $54CDN per ton in 1998. In 2004, it's $117 per ton for landfill, and $195 per ton recycling wi
Re:Paperless office... (Score:2)
Re:Paperless office... (Score:2)
This link [fims.uwo.ca] shows the garbage collection fee and "average" recycling costs. The $135 per ton (after recovery) is an average of the paper and metals (which is about $85 per ton) through to the recent introduction of organics (composting) at around $200 per ton.
You best bet is to call or email someone from Jane Pitfield
Re:Paperless office... (Score:2)
Re:Paperless office... (Score:1)
I work in an office that decided that they wanted to do "paperless" faxes a few years ago. Their solution was to receive faxes on paper, scan them into the computer, and then shred the paper copies. A realistic goal would be to eliminate that kind of egregious waste of paper -- not to eliminate paper entirely.
This kind of device is going about it all wrong. We should not be trying to replace pos
Re:Paperless office... (Score:2)
While most people in my office seem to make
Doomed to fail (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Doomed to fail (Score:2)
Paperless office (Score:1, Informative)
flying cars? (Score:3, Interesting)
Horseless carriages! (Score:2)
I don't. I used to carry an address book and then later keep everything on my computer and print my phone numbers out (never stored them in the phone, phones aren't reliable... they have short battery lives, the software is controlled by the cellular company as often as not), kept notes on paper, had a wallet simply bulging with business cards.
Now I carry a PDA, it's got a thousand memos and contacts, and even if it didn't do anything more t
Digital Paper (Score:2)
It is, very slowly, coming to market. I think sony is releasing [theregister.co.uk] a device that uses it. Okay, it's an eBook reader and still a little on the clunky side (though still as slim as similar device using LCD), but it has the promise to (in the next 5
Re:Digital Paper (Score:2)
With paper and pen/pencil, the sharp writing utensil combined with a surface that produces some friction against that pen or pencil provides a much more controllable feel, less prone to accidental sl
old idea needs new innovation (Score:3, Insightful)
These ideas of ubiquitous computing were postulated over 20 years ago (perhaps by Xerox?) and we are not much closer to making this a reality.
Want to see to future of paper? Check out Anoto (Score:3, Interesting)
Their concept will blow your mind. Basically the best integration between traditional paper and pens, computers and the Internet.
Wired (the magazine, not the website) ran an article about them a few years ago. You can read it here: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.04/anoto.htm
Regards,
AIH
Fountain Pen still my choice (Score:2)
Most of my work is via keyboard, PDA entries on a touchscreen, but for taking notes a fountain pen is still the best. A gentle grip, minimal pressure, light weight, I can take notes rapidly and for extended periods with without fatigue.
Re:Fountain Pen still my choice (Score:1)
Re:Fountain Pen still my choice (Score:2)
Re:Fountain Pen still my choice (Score:2)
Expensive doesn't mean good. Get an inexpensive Pelikan, about $20.
Re:Fountain Pen still my choice (Score:2)
Differences between this and a pda... (Score:2)
2) Requires Windows XP & Office to be used. That PDA is usable by itself, it doesn't need to be hooked into things to be useful.
Having said that, if they managed to get it to be used say like for photoshop/gimp/illistrator etc. I suspect this would be a hit with artists. Tablets are nice, however, they don't have the same type of feedback that pen & paper do. Because a lot of artsts I know will draw
I don't see a bridge tech here... (Score:2, Insightful)
In the article he writes Pegasus thinks they've found a bridging technolgy or something to that effect. I've seen similar writtings in the market spins of other similar products. All I see is someone getting tired of clipping the little reader on their notepad/having to carry around another gizmo/screwing around with inevit
Bluetooth pen (Score:2)
Now a pressure-sensitive bluetooth pen that could store data on a PDA or (gasp!) a cell phone, that's something I'd buy! Imagine just pulling out your pen, jotting some imaginary notes on the wall, chair, arm, etc (assuming ink portion is retractible) and clicking a button to store on your cell as an image. That would be slick.
Somethings just can't be improved on... (Score:2)
The pen and paper is one of these items. It will be here long after my children are gone. The paper may not be made of wood or the pen use ink like today, but humans wi
VPen (Score:1)
People, Paper, and Computers Research (Score:2, Informative)
We have been using the Anoto paper with a few of the digital pens (each
Never understood (Score:2)
Re:Never understood (Score:2)
I haven't used a tablet PC, but it seems too large and clunky to be useful to me. PDA screen are too small, especially given that you need to write 2-3 times larger on the PDA screen for it to be readable than you would on paper.
In my opinion, the real killer "ePaper" will be something thats large e
Worst of all... (Score:2)
And that is: MS Office XP. Let's not fight about MS or !MS, but the idea that you can only use a rather expensive, general-purpose hardware device if you use the latest version of an expensive (and in my eyes, not very useful) software product from another company is simply ridiculous.
Oh, well.
Next!
CrossPad R.I.P. (Score:2)
I must be one of the few people who found this a tremendous piece of hardware, because they discontinued it after a while and the product is no longer supported. But it used a very comfortable pen, and wrote on ordinary notepads. The hardware, I thought, was extremely well done, and I found it a breeze to use.
T
to go paperless .... (Score:2)
Re:to go paperless .... (Score:1)
what about guys who write equations 90%of the time (Score:2)
Plus, I need my calcs to be archivable and readable for at least 70 years (or however long the building remains standing), and it would be a brave man who would put money
This was a good try. (Score:1)
The IBM TransNote [pencomputing.com] didn't sell well. Anyone here own one?
Take the simplest solution! (Score:2)
If I would want my notes to be available electronically, I would take them on a PDA! But in fact, I don't, because I don't need them on the PC 99% of the time and if I need a particular one I just scan it.
Everything the device promises can be done with today's means in a similarly effective way. Well, maybe it has some specialty applications that no one knows of...
InkLink (Score:1)
and TablePC's are pretty cool.
I think we are getting closer to a "paperless office", just look how much more we use email
How about, it's totally the wrong issue? (Score:2)
Paperless lifestyle (Score:2)
We've gotten pretty close to the paperless office (Score:2)
Seriously, computers have made it so much easier to print, reprint, cut and paste, run off a copy of someone's slideshow full of clip-art, etc. No wonder demand for paper hasn't died out - it is easier than ever to fill a page and print it.
Typing was hard work - so too writing all those pages by hand. And printed paper lasts longer than floppy disks. Ever seen a "bad sector" message from readi
The Paperless Solution that Works (Score:1)