Intel Discontinues Extreme Edition P4 159
bizpile writes "X-bit Labs reports that Intel is stopping production of its Extreme Edition Pentium 4s. The company said in its statement sent to clients, 'Market demand for the Intel Pentium 4 processor Extreme Edition supporting Hyper-Threading technology 3.20GHz with 800MHz processor system bus in mPGA478 packaging has shifted to higher performance Intel processors.'"
AMD-64 (Score:5, Funny)
Re:AMD-64 (Score:1)
The game runs like gravy, and of course a few others(Far Cry, UT2K4, Deus Ex: IW, etc.)
Re:AMD-64 (Score:1, Funny)
Re:AMD for gaming, Intel for real work. (Score:4, Funny)
Yup, you're right, them XScales sure beat those K5s
While you're at it, you'd better check your Microsoft using your Norton, I think your Adobe just got trashed.
Re:AMD for gaming, Intel for real work. (Score:1)
So you prefer keeping unused portions of kernel in the system memory? Good memory management tends to use swap to page out unused pages so more physical memory is left free for the applications that really need it.
Re:AMD for gaming, Intel for real work. (Score:2)
Good memory management doesn't write clean pages to swap. Since those pages haven't changed since they were pulled from disk, they can just as easily be pulled from disk as from swap.
Also, good memory management only swaps when more space is needed by active applications than is currently available. If I have gobs of RAM to spare, it shouldn't swap at all.
I don't know what windows is compulsively swa
Re:AMD for gaming, Intel for real work. (Score:1)
Huh? (Score:2)
If I copy a 600MB file from a cd onto a HD, here's what I think *should* happen:
1. Allocate the first page for the new file. Setup the destination file structures in the filesystem and mark the page as filesystem cache.
2. Start reading file from cd into the memory allocated for the file (this will mark that page as dirty).
3. After finishing that page, allocate another page and
Re:Huh? (Score:2)
If you're going to be writing any data to disk during a file copy, wouldn't it always be preferable to write the copied data?
Also, what happens if the file you are copying is larger than the amount of memory? It would be impossible for the entire file to fit into RAM for the copy. Swapping it to disk would be pointless, since if you're going to wait for it to be written to disk, you might as well write it to the right place on disk...
Re:AMD for gaming, Intel for real work. (Score:1)
Re:AMD for gaming, Intel for real work. (Score:1)
If there was a joke in there somewhere, sorry.
Re:AMD for gaming, Intel for real work. (Score:3, Funny)
"VAX - when you care enough to steal the very best"
Re:AMD for gaming, Intel for real work. (Score:2)
Re:The name (Score:2)
ONLY the 3.2GHz P4EE is being discontinued, NOT the 3.4GHz P4EE.
Not that it matters, the A64 3000+ is close to the 3.4GHz chip, which costs 5 times as much...
to AMD (Score:5, Funny)
Re:to AMD (Score:1)
http://www17.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030923/index.h tml [tomshardware.com]
This largely stopped AMD from recapturing the performance crown, despite the fact that supplies of the P4EE were extremely tight, and the price was hugely non-competitive.
The whole line? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:The whole line? (Score:3, Insightful)
"Market demand for the Intel Pentium 4 processor Extreme Edition supporting Hyper-Threading technology 3.20GHz with 800MHz processor system bus in mPGA478 packaging has shifted to higher performance Intel processors.'"
translates to
"Those chips weren't selling cos they were too slow"
Re:The whole line? (Score:1)
"Those chips weren't selling cos they were $900"
What people forget is that the real market is with OEM manufacturers.
Re:The whole line? (Score:3, Insightful)
"The 3.2GHz P4EE sells for over $900 and the 3.4GHz P4EE sells for only a few dollars more. Anyone dumb enough to waste their money on such an expensive chip might as well spend the extra few dollars for the fastest and get the bragging rights".
As the original poster correctly stated it is NOT the entire line that is being discontinued, only the 3.2GHz P4EE.
FWIW AMD does the exact same thing with their Athlon64 FX line, they have already discontinued their FX-51 model and the FX-53
Of course it failed; it was a useless gimmick (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Of course it failed; it was a useless gimmick (Score:5, Funny)
That should've moved a million units , right there!
Sales reap: "Hey buddy, wanna buy a (takes deep breath) Intel Pentium 4 processor Extreme Edition supporting Hyper-Threading technology 3.20GHz with 800MHz processor system bus in mPGA478 packaging ?"
Customer : "Er, no"
Sales Rep: "Hmm, the fact that it's the EXTREME EDITION does nothing for you?"
Customer : "Oh, its the EXTREME EDITION?!? I simply must take things to the (strains voice) EXTREME!! I'll take six!"
Sales Rep: "Really?"
Customer : "No, you idiot. Now show me your Athlon stock before I lose my patience and go buy my stuff online."
Re:Of course it failed; it was a useless gimmick (Score:5, Funny)
Problem; anyone who is likely to be swayed by the fact it's called "Extreme" (*) is going to expect it to be spelled "Xtreme". Or "Xxxtreme". Or "Xtreme to the MAXXXXXXXXXXX!".
They could have put a little picture of Tony Hawk on top of the CPU (the fact that the heatsink would cover it up shouldn't matter when you're selling to cretins).
Anyway, it's passe now, Intel have just announced the "P4 Street Edition". It's totally urban, dude!
(*) Technical term: Stupid fscker with too much money.
XXX-treme (Score:2)
"Improves your internet experience", indeed...
Re:Of course it failed; it was a useless gimmick (Score:2)
Re:Of course it failed; it was a useless gimmick (Score:2)
It's SOMEWHAT compatible with x86-64, AMD's x86 extensions for 64-bit. EM64T has the small problem that it only goes to 36-bit (64GB), instead of (IIRC) 40-bit (1TB) memory addressing. I've heard that the DMA works differently because of this, and therefore EM64T CPUs can't use x86-64 drivers (I'm not even certain an x86-64 could use an EM64T driver). Also, I heard something about it not even being a 64-bit CPU (having the 64-bit instructions, but them be
Re:Of course it failed; it was a useless gimmick (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Of course it failed; it was a useless gimmick (Score:1)
Re:Of course it failed; it was a useless gimmick (Score:2)
Re:Of course it failed; it was a useless gimmick (Score:2)
But of course this is all moot because of what the other reply states...
It didn't fail (Score:2)
Beyond that though, AMD doesn't really have a problem. They have done a decent job to position the Athlon64 FX chip they are currently selling as simply being the top-of-the-line Athlon64 chip at any given time. The Athlon64 FX-53 is a little bit faster than the current top-end Athlon64 3900+ and sells for only a fairly small ($100-$150) more.
For Intel it is similar except that they have
Re:Of course it failed; it was a useless gimmick (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Of course it failed; it was a useless gimmick (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Of course it failed; it was a useless gimmick (Score:2)
What would YOU choose?
No, it was a planned failure... (Score:2, Insightful)
As processor speeds exceed what most people use them for (multi-GHz machine to check mail and surf web, sigh), it is all about perception. Most people would be happy with both AMD and Intel running their box. Of course the slightly more tech
Re:No, it was a planned failure... (Score:3, Insightful)
But it was still beaten by many of the AMD chips, so even the desperate move didn't pay off. Remember the 1 GHz PIII? They put out an overclocked chip to beat AMD and it blew up in their face.
Re:Of course it failed; it was a useless gimmick (Score:4, Insightful)
Trying to sell processors to high end gamers may start becomming an uphill battle. a 2500+ is still pretty much all you need, (Though I'd buy a 939 a64 if I was purchasing) and when the money can go towards a x800pro you can see that even the low end gamer crowd (Yes you can build a gaming rig for $500) will be looking at you dubiously.
Re:Of course it failed; it was a useless gimmick (Score:2, Insightful)
the name gimik worked great for AMD, they make it look like they are making progress, but in reality their chips are all clocked the same. funny how AMD fanboys bash the G5 for only going 2.5 GHz.
Re:Of course it failed; it was a useless gimmick (Score:1)
It's also funny how the AMD chips seem to still have more performance than the previous ones. Maybe those FSB and cache improvements are working? Surely the 3000+ is faster than the 2500+.
Re:Of course it failed; it was a useless gimmick (Score:2)
Not that it even matters as it's still difficult(if not impossible to do a 1:1 PC/Mac comparison. If you run the same app, the side that loses the benchmark will whine about software availability this or user experience that.
Re:Of course it failed; it was a useless gimmick (Score:2)
Ignoring all of that, I'm glad that Apple is sensitiv
Re:Of course it failed; it was a useless gimmick (Score:1)
Doom runs great on my friends 2400+. what matters most in games is the GPU features and the GFX card Memoery size, hell, a GeForce FX 5200 with 256 MBs or RAM is good enough to get 30 FPS (Doom 3 is capped at 30 FPS, or is it 60?) at the second highest settings.
Re:Of course it failed; it was a useless gimmick (Score:2)
You mean (Score:5, Insightful)
You mean everyone has been heading for the less expensive, better performing AMD chips, from which you are now copying instruction sets.
Re:You mean (Score:2)
Re:You mean (Score:2)
Re:You mean (Score:1)
It's so simple! (Score:1)
"EE" (Score:5, Insightful)
Bye!
Re:"EE" (Score:4, Funny)
Re:"EE" (Score:2)
AMD, EE = Energy Effecient [amd.com].
I like AMD's better.
Branding (Score:5, Interesting)
From what I can tell, intel's only remaining advantages are in niche markets (not consumer desktops), and the fact that most people buying consumer-level desktops haven't even heard of AMD. I doubt that AMD will be able to overthrow intel's brand-recognition supremacy, but intel will be facing some tough decisions if they do...
Re:Branding (Score:5, Insightful)
Intel only has brand name recognition because they advertise themselves as a brand name.
I think AMD would do well to advertise themselves as a brand also. If I were them I'd completely ignore Intel in my ads. Rather than saying "We're just as good as intel," they should be saying "We're the shit and we've never even heard of Intel."
The reason that this kind of advertisement would be successful is because your average consumer doesn't know anything about computers. Ads that simply encourage consumers to feel good about AMD as a brand will therefore be more effective than ads with a more technical message. They should use the fact that consumers don't know about them to their advantage by NOT introducing themselves as an underdog or their wares as "3rd party" products. They should instead imply that they and their products are the standard, which increasingly they are.
Lee
Re:Branding (Score:2)
Re:Branding (Score:2)
Re:Branding (Score:2)
Re:Branding (Score:2)
3 of the four I built myself, the other is a Compaq (now owned by hp). Perhaps the problem lies in HP's craptacular components?
Re:Branding (Score:1)
Don't judge a processor by its packaging.
Re:Branding (Score:3, Insightful)
The result? A system that was unstable and flaky.
The reason wasn't because the Cyrix CPU's were bad, but because they were the only primary component that wasn't crap. Now I'm not saying that Cyrix processors were great, only that the reputation they had as bein
How many consumers can tell the difference... (Score:2)
Re:Branding (intel is doomed again) (Score:1)
Intel still has a couple of advantages, and one of them is the heat problem that comes with AMDs. OK, in a normal case you'd never notice because you basicly have the room to fit in airconditioning if you wanted to. In a 1U case however, you have to stick to about 1cm (that's less than half an inch, for those who don't know the metric system) for a fan.
On a 1U with an intel on the motherboard, I've rarely had any cooling problems. On a 1U with an AMD I've on regular basis had problems. The money customers
Re:Branding (intel is doomed again) (Score:2)
Re:Branding (intel is doomed again) (Score:3, Funny)
On a 1U with an intel on the motherboard, I've rarely had any cooling problems. On a 1U with an AMD I've on regular basis had problems. The money customers
Not discontinued and not stopping making P4EEs (Score:5, Insightful)
There's no mention whatever of the whole Extreme Edition line being stopped, in fact they recently said they would be making further new ones in the near future... This is mentioned (with new FSB and clock speeds) here [theinquirer.net] and here [theregister.co.uk] and here [theregister.co.uk], for instance - and all quite recently.
Re:Not discontinued and not stopping making P4EEs (Score:2)
Re:Not discontinued and not stopping making P4EEs (Score:2)
Intel and AMD also have a lot of there older chips Pentiums, PIIs etc that are used in the embedded space. You can take an old PC and use modern manufacturing techniques to make it really low powered.
Re:Not discontinued and not stopping making P4EEs (Score:3, Informative)
Long product name... (Score:5, Funny)
Market demand for the Intel Pentium 4 processor Extreme Edition supporting Hyper-Threading technology 3.20GHz with 800MHz processor system bus in mPGA478 packaging has shifted to higher performance Intel processors.
Try saying that with a mouth full of cheese three times fast...
Re:Long product name... (Score:1)
Here you go [farts.com].
Re:Long product name... (Score:1)
They're just up to par again (Score:2, Insightful)
Now that they've released faster processors that are up to par on performance with AMD (and removed the GHz speeds from the processor names) there is no need for the extreme edition any more. So now they don't have to sell server chips to make up for bad performa
Re:They're just up to par again (Score:2, Interesting)
Hmm because of that class I ALMOST had an extra 1700+... but some girl picked the thing up (and it was winter... in a carpeted room) and static shocked the thing ("ohh shiny processor! let's touch it!")
*sigh*
Re:They're just up to par again (Score:2)
I'm teaching the class, why the fuck would I know what I'm talking about? His friends at 13370v3rc10c1312.com thought the 600W $20 was just fine.... 600W with voltages +/- 10% MAYBE...
Hell maybe he was just unlucky (
Re:They're just up to par again (Score:2)
I donno if I'd call them that, but, looking at some of their reviews of the newer AMD and ATI offerings, they seemed willing to "go the extra mile" in bending over backwards to excuse Intel and Nvidia's
Re:They're just up to par again (Score:2)
Re:They're just up to par again (Score:2)
No surprise (Score:3, Interesting)
That combined with the price means my last purchase was a pair of dual opteron workstations.
Sadly some techies are fooled just as well (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Sadly some techies are fooled just as well (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Sadly some techies are fooled just as well (Score:2)
Re:Sadly some techies are fooled just as well (Score:2)
PCs (Score:2)
Tell that to Google [computerworld.com].
Re:No surprise (Score:5, Informative)
Basically there are multiple units (say integer units) that can run concurrently. If you can get two integer operations to compute at the same time, then you just increased performance. Hyperthreading was a way for the OS to help the CPU keep it's execution units full.
And yeah, "low-end" Opterons are cheap these days. I have my eye on a dual-opteron setup...
Re:No surprise (Score:1, Insightful)
In situations with few threads/processes (Doom 3, rendering, encoding, etc) this will usually not add any performance, quite often the opposite. On the other hand, in situations with many threads/processes (or rath
Re:No surprise (Score:5, Insightful)
I do, a ton of it. The last 10 years of my life have been rendering animation, compressing video, and authoring CDs and DVDs. At any time I have 1-3 apps maxing the CPU(s) of my machine(s). As my primary workstation I have always had duals, but worked on singles often. Duals make Windows tolerable but are expensive. Hyperthreading brought 90% of the smoothness of duals to the average person. You can be rendering out an AfterFX composition (or anything compute bound) and the machine still feels pretty light on the load.
Now if HT CPUs were 3x the cost, yes, that would be gimmicky. But it's a feature that's become standard in CPUs and doesn't really cost you any noticeable amount more (P3 HT 3ghz is what, $200? oooo scary), and in the end gives everyone somewhere between a "little" smoother to "a hell of a lot" smoother functioning OS's. Gosh, that sucks. It's not out to "fool people", it's a nice advancement in processor technology.
Re:No surprise (Score:1, Insightful)
The "creamy smoothness" of duallies that HT (partially) gives was actually never covered in the reviews about HT Pentiums. They just benchmarked the usual benches to get clear-cut figures but never touched on this somewhat elusive and subjective characteristic... Shame.
The parent obviously deserves an "Insightful" unless you mods are on crack again.
Re:No surprise (Score:1)
I'd rather have two real CPUs than something that performs like 2 CPUs in some cases and performs like half a CPU in others. Especially if both options have the same price tag.
Re:No surprise (Score:2)
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Re:No surprise (Score:2, Insightful)
Kinda like running dual celerons back in the old days I suppose.
Re:No surprise (Score:2)
The manufacturer of the motherboard supports this setup. That's good enough for me. It's not like I went and soldered a wire between my processors like you used to have to do with slot A celerons.
Oh... (Score:2)
Twisted Words (Score:1, Redundant)
In other words... (Score:2)
AMD? Really? (Score:2)
Re:AMD? Really? (Score:3, Informative)
Now this was a difficult decision for me because my main box does an awful lot of stuff - it's rarely just sitting there. If I'm not gaming or surfing, then I might be rendering or producing a DVD. Render times for this stuff can be annoying.
It's not that Intel couldn't do the job - in fact,
Re:AMD? Really? (Score:1)
Finally.. (Score:1)
From a PS2 developer: (Score:1)
So when I was in the market I went for the EE. Probably 70% of that decision was just 'I'm dropping big cash, which I normally don't do - let's go all the way this time', 25% was 'I've seen the horrors of small data cache firsthand and I need a security blanky to forget' and 5% was 'That additional few percentage points really matter!'. So, yeah, it