Marian The Robot Librarian 147
nusratt writes "BBC reports on robotics researchers in Spain, who have developed a prototype which can retrieve books from library shelves while patrons are present. 'When it receives a request for a book, its voice recognition software matches the titles with the book's classification code to identify which bookshelf stack to go to. The robot navigates its way to the bookshelf, using its infrared and laser guidance system, and scans books within a four-metre radius. Once the book is located, it has to grasp it and take it off the bookshelf, which is not a simple as it might seem. For this, the team had to develop special fingertips like nails, with one nail longer than the other. 'For me that was the hardest part. All the other things were current state of the art technology,' said Professor Pobil.' The article also discusses using robots to assist in digitizing library materials."
how lazy have we become? (Score:4, Interesting)
HFCB$
Re:how lazy have we become? (Score:1)
Re:how lazy have we become? (Score:1)
So on one hand, I'm interested to see things like this, but on the other, it does worry me a little.
Of course, people will still be needed to create and maintain the machines, but the numbers will be less than were orginally employed.
Re:how lazy have we become? (Score:2)
If a robot can do it better, that frees up the human to pursue its happiness.
A serious re-orientation of the "work ethic" and economic thinking is necessary.
Re:how lazy have we become? (Score:1)
DDC [oclc.org]
What we will be doing (Score:1, Funny)
I'm sorry, no food allowed while on-duty in the robot servicing area. What was your question again?
Re:how lazy have we become? (Score:2)
what's wrong with drinking cokes and eating some pizzas or with having more free time to do what you want to do instead of what you have to do?
why do you th
Re:when do we get fuckable robots?!? (Score:3, Funny)
While the parent propably meant this as a troll, it is actually a very valid point. We can already make very realistic frames [realdoll.com], and have even built what are in essence fucking robots [sybian.com].
Now, as we all know, while the Web was designed for spreading information in hypertext form, porn didn't take long to find its way in. So, the question is not weather newer, more humanlike robots will be used for sexual gratification, but when and where ? And what will the social rules be ? If you sell the services of a robot,
Marian... (Score:3, Funny)
"The robot navigates its way to the bookshelf, using its infrared and laser guidance system, and scans books within a four-metre radius. Once the book is located, it has to grasp it and take it off the bookshelf, which is not a simple as it might seem. For this, the team had to develop special fingertips like nails, with one nail longer than the other.
So basically, Marian is equipped for both finding and killing.
I find it hilarious the robots are always made with features which would help them to kill humans if they were to turn evil.
equipped to kill? (Score:2)
for a robot to turn 'evil' first you have to have genuine AI, and then you have to define evil for robots.
is evolution 'evil'?.
if species A overwhelms species B it's not EVIL.. even if one is mechanical and one is organic.....
Re:equipped to kill? (Score:2)
don't you know that evolution only applies to nonhuman species? surely you don't suggest that humans, most favored of God's creations, came from apes?
Archives (Score:5, Interesting)
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not to bring into the Library or kindle therein any fire or flame [ox.ac.uk]
on which basis the venerable Librarians may object to the laser part of the proposal...
Re:Archives (Score:1)
Anyone read Terry Pratchet? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Anyone read Terry Pratchet? (Score:2)
Re:Anyone read Terry Pratchet? (Score:1)
Just imagine, librarian robot running Windows:
"Please, give me a book about Linux".
Thump.
Re:Anyone read Terry Pratchet? (Score:1)
A good use for RFID? (Score:2, Interesting)
This might actually be a good use for RFID, or something similar.
It seems like once the robot gets to the bookshelf it needs to look in per the database, it does a very, very inefficient search book-by-book.
Could this perhaps be a good use (imagine that) for RFID? It seems that some sort of radio tags on books would help the robot localize the book a bit more and speed up the searches.
Re:A good use for RFID? (Score:1)
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Re:A good use for RFID? (Score:2, Insightful)
I'm wary of using the term RFID...I think it gives the American government too many boners.
Re:A good use for RFID? (Score:1)
Re:A good use for RFID? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:A good use for RFID? (Score:2)
OCR? (Score:3, Interesting)
"It can read the labels and the position of the book using its image processing and optical character recognition software," the professor said.
Wouldn't it be easier just to RFID-tag the books, or give them barcodes on the spine, or otherwise modify them in some way to facilitate the robot's work? I have a sneaking suspicion that either of those would be faster and more reliable than trying to OCR book titles or call-number tags, albeit less "clever". "Clever" solutions that are less functional than more straighforward solutions don't particularly impress me, and I doubt I'm alone on this.
Re:OCR? (Score:1)
Re:OCR? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:OCR? (Score:1)
Re:OCR? (Score:2)
Well, yeah, but those books have barcodes too - however they got the first barcodes on them, that's how you put barcodes/RFID tags on the spine as well. Obviously, it takes an investment of some time, but I'm suggesting that the investment is worth the payoff, especially if we get a chance to sit down and see just how reliably this OCR robot can actually find a giv
Re:OCR? (Score:2)
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Re:OCR? (Score:2)
One could argue that RFID tags are not succifiently big advantage over barcodes, but that's something that depends on several factors, and may or may not be true depending on the library.
RFID tagging should also be actually easier than barcoding, since it can be anywhere in the book and doesn'
Nah, simply barcode the slots. (Score:2)
Re:Nah, simply barcode the slots. (Score:2)
Re:Nah, simply barcode the slots. (Score:2)
Barcoding/RFID tagging books is easy, there's no need to have any special "identification boxes" gobbling up valuable shelf space, and you still need to get and barcode those boxes and put all the books into them so it doesn't save you any work either.
It's research, not product (Score:2)
Re:It's research, not product (Score:2)
No, the point is to solve some problem that humans want/need solved, in which case elegant non-solutions are decidedly inferior to inelegant, brute-force solutions. Sorry if it offends your sense of aesthetics, but if the idea is to put these things out into the public so that they can do things for us, which is what the lead researcher claims to be interested in, then it hardly seems unreasonable to insure that they do, in fact, perform the ta
Re:OCR? (Score:2)
Even barcodes would be vastly better than nothing, but RFID beats them handily.
Some number of libraries around the world already uses RFID as well, there's one (http://www.tietoenator.com/default.asp?path=1,96 , 135&hid=948209 [tietoenator.com]) in the next town. It's pretty n
Ahh, nostalgia (Score:1)
A typical slashddotter response... (Score:2)
Re:A typical slashddotter response... (Score:3, Informative)
I'm a librarian, you insensitive clod !
However, considering that the mess that most library shelfs are is often difficult for human eyes to parse, I doubt that I'm in great danger of losing my job anytime soon. Not only are books at different depths in the shelf (shading each other), but they are sometimes purposefully hidden when someone finds a good boo
Re:A typical slashddotter response... (Score:1)
This would also cause a problem with libraries like the one at my college which use the Library of Congress system instead of the Dewey Decimal System. At my library, we've asked most patrons to not reshelve
Re:A typical slashddotter response... (Score:2)
Re:A typical slashddotter response... (Score:2)
The economy benefits more from someone who gets paied to process wheat into flower than it does from someone who's paied to harvest wheat.
Extrapolate that to librarians and robots. Which has a greater net benefit to the economy, people shelving books or people designing robotic systems to shelve books?
The shelving committee will find something else to do with its time. When all is said and done though, the economy will be stronger because of changes like this.
Re:A typical slashddotter response... (Score:2)
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Think about it this way. 100 years ago most Americans farmed for a living. 50 years ago most Americans worked manufacturing jobs. 25 a tiny percentage of Americans worked in the IT industry....
As we move up the scale those who worked the jobs that we replace find new employmen
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Alternative 'safe' modes of grasping (Score:2)
This could be good news... (Score:1)
Re:This could be good news... (Score:1)
Moll.
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I heart books (Score:4, Interesting)
I have to admit that this sounds cool. I just wonder what this thing would do with the masses of people who come in and say "Yeah, I'm looking for that big red book...You know, the one that was mentioned on the radio this morning...I think it has 'God' in the title..." Hehe. Good luck. I can't tell you how many times people come in and have no clue about the book they want, they have some concept of maybe the size, or the approx. year, or maybe simply a small bit of the plot. I don't think the communication that takes place between a knowledgeable book geek and a person looking for just that right book can ever be fully replaced.
Re:I heart books (Score:2)
You know, if there was some kind of online service that listed all the books that were mentioned on NPR, the NYTimes, and (bleh) Oprah, and included keyword searches on the plot and main characters, that would be pretty useful. It could provide a ranking, with the most likely hits at the top, so booksellers/librar
Headline from Fark (Score:1)
I need to browse (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:I need to browse (Score:2)
Automated systems rock, perhaps not this - I doubt it'll work, since both OCR and voice regognition are HARD - but loaning automatons for example, no need to bother librarian when I can just drop a pile of books and my card to RFID reader (yup, they already use it in some libraries) or trough barcode sc
Dexter's Laboratory - Dexter's Library (Score:1)
After discovering an out of place "Green Eggs and Ham" book, he creates a fleet of flying robots to manage the library. When these robots can't find a particular book, he has to look for it himself, destroying the library in the process.
Robot Librarian -- the perfect companion ... (Score:2)
This is hard, even for a human (Score:1)
Well, considering how long it takes for a child to learn to take out a book from a bookshelf, without ripping out all the pages, I hope there's some understanding of the complicated process of learning a machine to handle physical objects. Not just mechanically, but adapting sensor data to the real world can be really hard.
What would be more useful. (Score:1)
It's a shame (Score:2)
What an embarrassment to the robot community to go from finding Sarah Connor to finding some twits copy of The Cat in the Hat.
LOOK SCREEN (Score:2)
Re:LOOK SCREEN (Score:2)
Entirely on-topic
Re:LOOK SCREEN (Score:2)
Non-human librarians (Score:2)
P.S. Oooook!
Shhhhhhhh... (Score:1)
me in a remote location? Stored in eLibrary for future requests of course.
Be afraid, be very afraid (Score:2)
Re:Be afraid, be very afraid (Score:1)
Re:Be afraid, be very afraid (Score:2)
The Obvious Title... (Score:1)
I know, I know, *Groooooan*. Fine, that wasn't very funny.
But then, neither is the fact that these will be the main characters in future librarian-based sexual fantasies. Frightening...
It will eventually go beserk, you know (Score:2)
Unless that Robot gets his Masters degree... (Score:1)
I get so irritated when people dissect my career and believe that all we do is put books on shelves. I don't do that. I do a million other things, from research to coding web pages in PHP, but I do
Don't hurt my book! (Score:2)
I find it very interesting how far our robotics have gone so far. Many people think that it could have gone a lot further, but I'm not really sure. After all, we do have that automatic oven now. Sure, it's not a robot, but I think I'd rather have it over a robot that grabs my book for me. I have legs and a card catalog! But I'm not a senior citizen... so I guess they'
automaton (Score:1, Troll)
Re:automaton (Score:2)
Never Replace the Human Factor (Score:1)
Will the Robot be attracted to books by their shapes, fragments of glimpsed Titles, or other Human and Individual filetering techniques. I have found the most interesting books, quite by accident. Sometimes you are cruising through the stacks and see a big, dusty old Tome, and you cannot pass it by. You pull it down and leaf through it. Maybe you do not check it out, but it causes a train of thought, and
A great Idea for handicapped people (Score:2)
I believe a very rough approximation of this (automated book retrieval) was tried in that big-ugly library in paris.
It sucked.
Cool (Score:1)
Gripper problem (Score:2)
Putting books
Forklift? (Score:2)
Grabbing the sides seems frought with problems, ie. Books too tightly packed, pincers cant get in between books or pinch books either too hard, dimpling the covers, or not hard enough, dropping books.
What's the point? (Score:1)
I am sitting in the library (Score:1)
Marian the Librarian? (Score:1)
"There took place this curious chase through meadow, tree, and flower. Til at last they ended up right at the witch's tower. So now Marian the Librarian, a prisoner she'll stay, until the witch is happy and lets Marian go away."
WTF am I thinking of?
Re:Marian the Librarian? (Score:1)
Librarians (Score:1)
Robot OCR (Score:1)
ugh keeping the dead tree format alive (Score:2)
This is annoying (Score:1)
When I goto a library, I am not always sure the title of the book I want...usually I just go to the appropriate section, and look through the books until I find one that is good. Seeing the title in a card catalogue is not enough to help me decide what I want.
In that library, I really annoyed the workers because I kept asking for books, then retur
Danger Marian Robinson (Score:1)
Ahh yes Voice Recognition... (Score:2)
Robo-librarian grinds away and comes back with something like .. English Birds [englishbirds.com]
Interesting (Score:3, Insightful)
Exactly, stop all research. Who on earth will fund it?!?! Looks like they already have *some* funding, and if this article gets enough interest it may create *more* funding.
Libraries should be worried about actually getting our fine young brains to start reading. Most kids these days watch movies, play videogames involving stealing cars, killing cops, and fucking prostitutes, and eat fast food.
Is this the Libr
Re:Interesting (Score:2)
But, if we make sure that online content is up to par with published media then the benefits are huge. Instead of restricting information to just the members of that Library (which the best belong to expensive universities) we are offering it to the rest of the digital world.
So if a kid in the States does not take advantage of the information given, maybe a kid in Nepal will.
Re:Interesting (Score:1)