LivingCreatures- The Beginning Of 'I, Robot?' 248
An Anonymous Reader writes "LivingCreatures.com has released several new photos of the humanoid robot platform that it developed for the USC Interaction Lab. The yet to be named robot is about the same size as an 18-month-old child and will serve as a human-robot interaction (HRI) testbed for studies involving imitation, learning, and the effects that interaction with humanoid robots has on children."
one question about functionality (Score:5, Funny)
God, i hope so.
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Housemaid Robots (Score:5, Insightful)
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"I could employ him/her for many years while giving him/her work."
This is the same as saying that open source kills jobs.
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Moore's law (Score:2)
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Re:Housemaid Robots (Score:5, Funny)
1) Interact with another human being.
or
2) A robot maid that doesn't go through his porn.
Re:Housemaid Robots (Score:3, Funny)
I used to have the neighbors named the Jetsons, and they had a robot maid. Not only did it look like it was designed in the 60s or 70s, but it made all sorts of "beep" and "boop" noises. The thing just wasn't very quite.
Not only that, I seem to remember that it would make wise-cracks at its owners from time to time.
I think I'll wait on the robot maid. Maybe a new roomba to hold me over.
Re:Housemaid Robots (Score:2)
A robot that cleans and [tinyurl.com] you can sleep with it? Goodbye left hand!
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The site says something about heating them in hot water, and that they'd retain that heat for awhile. But what about giving it a pulse *and* body heat at the same time? A small water pump, putting heated liquid, thermostat controlled, throughout the thing? Just wondering how you'd get even a rudimentary circulation system in it.
Also wondering if you could make it b
Re:Housemaid Robots (Score:2)
Be careful [slashdot.org] what you [hollywoodreporter.com] wish for [imdb.com].
next on the list (Score:2)
Humanoid Robots (Score:5, Insightful)
It would seem more useful to build robots that are designed with the task they must perform in mind. Therefore, they could perform it far better than any human.
Re:Humanoid Robots (Score:5, Insightful)
What if their task is human relations? Granted the AI to support such a task is a long way off, but the humanoid form would surely fit the function there.
Re:Humanoid Robots (Score:5, Insightful)
The later star wars sucked, but that was one of the really insightful things in the first movies.
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Re:Humanoid Robots (Score:5, Interesting)
However, if you model a robot after an average human, you can easily give away boring human tasks. Even public ones. For example, you could design a special excavator robot, a special pipeline construction robot, etc. However, you can also make 5 standard humanoid robots and put one in a normal excavtor, have one fit the piping, etc. Remember that everything so far has been designed for human use.
Also, I think it would be easier to deal with humanoid robots in public space then lumbering machines.
Re:Humanoid Robots (Score:4, Funny)
That sounds naive . . . instead of "cow tipping", teenagers would go "robot tipping" . . . knocking over poor defenseless janitorial custodial and landscaping robots with extreme prejudice.
Lumbering machines are meant to withstand abuse from vandals and pranksters . . .
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YES (Score:2)
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Re:Humanoid Robots (Score:5, Insightful)
There are in fact *many* advantages to humanoid style robots. Thusly enumerated, they are:
Yes, for industrial purposes, there's good reason to optimize the shape and form of a robot for specific tasks, however nature has provided us with an extremely adaptable physique, and we have so many reasons to emulate it.
Cheers,
Justin
Here at a JPL, a group that shares our workspace recently got AIBOs, and I was shocked to find myself treating it just like a real dog, and enjoying petting it. It's.... just a machine, I know, but it acts a lot like a dog.
Re:Humanoid Robots (Score:2)
Not so. They'll just need Old Glory Robot Insurance [robotcombat.com]!!!
Re:Humanoid Robots (Score:5, Insightful)
You have to be careful about the Uncanny Valley [wikipedia.org], though, at least according to a particular Japanese roboticist. Apparently once you get within a certain closeness of anthropomorphism, small things which aren't "quite right" can really freak people out.
Re:Humanoid Robots (Score:2)
I think it's just an excuse for certain researchers to not even bother trying to achieve the diff
Uncanny Valley (Score:2, Insightful)
Final Fantasy was closer to realistic animation than Shrek was, but I was more comfortable watching Shrek. Every so often, the Final Fantasy animation would slap me around the face with something that jarred, whereas I had dropped that kind of expectation while watching Shrek.
Animation isn't the same as a realistic robot, but
Re:Humanoid Robots (Score:3, Insightful)
approximating would be fine by me, though. I think I'd actually prefer one with chromed metal, anyways.
Re:Humanoid Robots (Score:2)
Also, I don't think that the cost of ownerhip of humanoid robots has been considered. I would guess that specialized stepper motors, servos, or whatever drive systems that are being used in humanoid robots require more maintenance than traditional specialized robots. This would be because traditional robots do not
Bow Down! (Score:5, Funny)
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Codependant people (Score:5, Funny)
I can just see it now, "It looks angry. Oh no! I wonder what I did to make it mad?"
Robot changes positions. "It's happy! Now if I can only keep it happy."
"Oh oh, it's looking mad again."
Ok, it's been a slow day.
Not named? Hardly. (Score:5, Funny)
It *does* have a name:Twikki.
Duh.
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Thank you for the links. That brought back some memories.
When it comes to "Buck Rogers", my favorite episode of the whole series was episode 14 when Erin Gray as Wilma Derring was all Space-Vampire possessed and hungry for some "Buck"--talking all husky and modulated to Buck Rogers,
"Ohhh Buck...", apparently space vampires have an incredible libido and rather obviou
Doing Right Things and Doing Things Right (Score:5, Interesting)
Shouldn't we concentrate on making robots doing the things right, i.e. doing the assigned tasks right, instead of trying to design robots that can decide what are the right things to do.
Re:Doing Right Things and Doing Things Right (Score:3, Interesting)
Essentially, it's giving people the ability to say, "Hey, you won't scratch my back? Fine. I'll just go out and buy a robot, and then I won't need you at all!"
It's the social equivalent to masterbation, and yet
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Imagine a.... (Score:5, Funny)
What did you think I was gonna say?
Antimatter thoughts (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Antimatter thoughts (Score:3, Informative)
A single positron/electron has a rest mass of about 0.511 MeV (million electron volts). A proton is in the region of 938 MeV. Converting electon volts to Joules (with Google) tells me "one electron volt
Re:Antimatter thoughts (Score:2, Insightful)
Asimov started writing his robot stories sohrtly after positrons were discovered, and the best I can speculate is that he choose "positronic brain" to make it sound neat. People that kept up with modern science were in on the joke and casual sci-fi readers had a c
Re:Antimatter thoughts (Score:2)
Surely its likely to be a lot more. I mean, our brains have at least 100 billion cells, each of which can have 10,000 synapses. If positrons take the place of electrons, you may have 10s of them for each synapse (at least!).
So, its 100 x 10,000 x 10 = 10 million times worse than you calculate....
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The Star Trek writers would probably give the same response as when they were asked how the Heisenberg Compensators (used to prevent quantum effects distrupting transportation) worked:
'Very well thank you!'
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face only a mother could love (Score:4, Interesting)
A good read for anyone making "robots" : the uncanny valley [arclight.net]
This is just a little TOO "deformed child" for my taste.
Can't steal its lunch money (Score:2)
Eh. (Score:5, Funny)
um .... (Score:3, Interesting)
I saw the pictures ... it looks like a "Chucky" [imdb.com] robot for kids.
I don't know what effect it will have on kids, but I know the thing scares me shitless.
Ya, way to go USC ... Great interface! Keep 'em coming.
Re:um .... (Score:2)
(Sorry, this is my last post on this subject ... I just seem to have a weird fixation with that thing). It's already starting isn't it? ..... Arrrggghhhhhhhhhhh
The economic effects of humanoid Robots. (Score:5, Interesting)
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I think its a somewhat naive view that AI will ever develop to the point that it outperforms humans at arbitrary and varied tasks.
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Re:The economic effects of humanoid Robots. (Score:2, Interesting)
I personally think the human race will have wiped itself out before we have a machine that can pass the total turing test.
The materials aren't there (Score:2)
Re:The economic effects of humanoid Robots. (Score:3, Insightful)
It does scare me a bit I must admit. I can think of a lot of jobs in our company that are already within reach of this robots capabilities...
Robotic capability is accelerating (Score:5, Insightful)
This automation trend will continue to accelerate, but what *could* be a paradise is increasingly looking like a corporate dystopia because the productivity gains, even today, are being hoarded by the wealthy few at the highest rate in history. [blogspot.com]
When welfare/livingwage is still a dirty word, stuff like this isn't funny: "Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script."
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BTW, my figures are with my own tax with-holding and assume you already own a car. If you had to buy even a used one, I don't think that $10ph is enough. And without a car, you'd be unable to get all but the worst kinds of shitty minimum wage jobs
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Or maybe I'm wrong and $11 leaves with nothing other than the basics. So what? I'm pretty close to the correct number, even if it's not exact.
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Revolution and war (Score:2)
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I suppose that such robots could be designed now, but more important to the industry is the upfront cost and longterm ownership cost of such a robot (as well as the speed and accuracy of the robot's performan
Re:Robotic capability is accelerating (Score:2)
They'll start out as spectacularly expensive, military hardware and there won't be any laws preventing them from killing people. Then as the costs come down they'll end up in other hazardous situations and gradually as manufacturing capacity increases, costs will fall to the point that like the automobile/TV/
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And practically all of the stores I've been to have the french fry basket dispensers. Seems a small step to have the thing drop the baskets into the fryers.
I do agree about the burgers, which seem more difficult, but what about the rest of a fast food joint? Many of the tasks, including "building" the sandwiches seem easily within the realm of automation.
Everyone can relax.... (Score:5, Funny)
Robot? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Robot? (Score:5, Informative)
I disagree.
I'm getting a graduate degree in robotics. My school has a few humanoids. We call them robots. We've got arms. We call those robots too. Same with the trashcan-shaped research robots, the Segway-platform robots, the AIBOs, the helicopters, the farm equipment, the cars, the blimp, and so on. All robots. Nobody here thinks the term "robot" refers to "single function machines", huge arms, industrial robots, or anything you find in an ordinary automated factory. It's a much more general category.
"Androids" are, I guess, a subset of "robots", but nobody here uses that term very much. I suspect it won't be very popular until we have robots that are more like Data.
Until then,
--Tom
Photoshop... (Score:2)
Remember Ananova? (Score:5, Insightful)
If you want to see fake talking heads, try Ananova video reports. [ananova.com]
The Honda walking robot, though, is for real. They have a clue.
That thing isn't going in MY home! (Score:4, Funny)
That's got to be one of the most wimpy robots ever. Why can't I get the T-800 from Terminator? I would happily have either the fleshed up Austrian look or the skinless metal skeleton with the glowing red eyes. Why do these robot researchers think that I want the pansy-bot?
"effects that interaction with humanoid robots" (Score:2)
We start to dream around 18 months old (apparently
FWIW, my 23-month old daughter would destroy it - she's already worked out how to crash a Linux laptop whilst it's running a screensaver - if I could replicate it, I'd open a bug report!
gee, anthropomorphize much? (Score:4, Insightful)
Um, no. I didn't see any difference in the face at all in the pictures. The only slight difference I noticed was in the last one where the lighting was better and I could see the full eyes. I hope the science that comes out of this is objective and useful.
Similar thing is already being done (Score:2)
http://www2.nict.go.jp/jt/a134/xkozima/research
I would argue that the Infanoid is cuter
WTF? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Ready.. get set.. (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Ready.. get set.. (Score:3, Informative)
You realize it was a short story about a robot named Robbie, right?
Re:Ready.. get set.. (Score:2)
(Seriously, I just saw it last week--and my ReplayTV had it labeled something else for the episode name, so I'm really really glad I decided to watch it; very timely, and I'm seeing the movie in a couple hours with my girlfriend.)
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A.) I read the 'book'. (Actually it was a short story, or a collection of short stories depending on which title you read.)
B.) This doesn't nullify my joke at all.
Re:Ready.. get set.. (Score:2)
Yep, I made an ass of myself.
Completely unrelated to the book, I fully expected a few jokes about the movie. But as of the time of writing where there's about 50 comments or so, nobody appears to have.
So, yep, I failed it.
Re:The I,Robot concept isn't impossible (Score:2)
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