Fido Launches New Broadband Wireless Access 209
bug-eyed monster writes "Fido is launching a new wireless internet service with 'Download at speeds of up to 2.2 Mbps,' in Richmond BC and Cumberland ON. It uses a special modem that plugs into a regular network card. The technology providers' websites, Microcell and Inukshuk, inform us that the service uses Multipoint Communications Systems (radio-based) in the 2500 MHz range. The modem can be used anywhere within Richmond and 'up to 2.5km away from any network base station' (no idea if it can also run on batteries). Of course, this is all torture for me since I live next-door in Vancouver, just out of reach of the network."
When you say Fido (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:When you say Fido (Score:1)
I'm not sorry to see FidoNet gone
Re:When you say Fido (Score:5, Insightful)
modded up since the first thing I thought of
when seeing this article was the "Fidonet", which
existed way prior to the internet. Accessing the
net back then
a 300 baud modem connect to a local collage VAC
system, and then only with a terminal program,
and that would allow you to ftp to sunsite and
such. Off my ramp now, FidoNet was a good thing
even though the phone bills could set you back
hundreds of U.S. dollars a month. (trust me on this!) I've personally known of a few eastern
hubs that would pass mail to europe and have
bills that would be over $1k U.S. a month. (and
people bitch about their $100 a month inet connection...!)
Re:When you say Fido (Score:2, Funny)
But yeah, that was the first thing I thought of. Visions of free user-supported wireless internet from one side of the globe to the other danced in my head. Email taking over a day to get anywhere...Quake matches taking a lifetime...almost like the ping from here to Mars.
Re:When you say Fido (Score:2)
When I was a kid I used to walk 5 miles to school uphill both ways through the worst blizzrd of the century every day - and I liked it.
Re:When you say Fido (Score:2)
Ahhh. Those were the days. That was actually my first internet email address was threw Fidonet. It was ungodly long but I was the first person on my block/ probably town to get an internet email address. Ahh memories where peoples biggest problems were that they couldn't use Windows 3.1 (Back in the old days you loaded windows on top of DOS) and dial out because their mouse and modem were on the same com port. Good times.... Good times....
Inukshuk's Logo? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Inukshuk's Logo? (Score:2)
Torture (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Torture (Score:2, Funny)
I never thought I would feel so lucky to be moving back to Richmond in two weeks!
Re:Torture (Score:2, Insightful)
Competition? (Score:2)
I like the thought of broadband providers competing for my business...
Re:Competition? (Score:2)
Shaw (cable) and Telus (DSL) both serve the Richmond area as well. I'm sure this is the only option available for WIRELESS broadband, though.
Re:Competition? (Score:3, Interesting)
You'd have to be quite a road warrior to need your broadband access to follow you all over town. Wouldn't it be easier to just rely on wired access being where you need it, and then putting it up with WiFi?
Re:Competition? (Score:2)
No.
I need to post to slashdot from the bar while I drink. I won't accept anything less.
Re:Competition? (Score:2)
Re:Competition? (Score:2)
Re:Competition? (Score:2)
While that may change in the future, my servers are pushing about 110gig/month at this time, and Shaw makes no allowance for anyone who plans on going over the limits.
Re:Competition? (Score:2)
But Telus' usenet server totally bites.
Mind you, fewer people every year seem to know what a usenet server is, so this isn't a big deal to most folks.
Cantenna? (Score:3, Interesting)
If you're desperate and the terrain will cooperate, perhaps build a cantenna(or buy one of those wire-dish highly directional antennas). You might have to open up the modem to get an external antenna installed...although the modem might be leased, making that a no-go option.
Three reasons why this is a Bad IdeaTM (Score:1, Interesting)
1) Extra peripheral. When I'm mobile, the last thing I want is to take along yet another notebook thingie. I've already got a wireless minicard; why should I take along a freaking *modem* too?
2. What possible use could anybody have for wireless net access 24x7 in a localised area? If you're at home, you generally have wired internet access (or, if you live in an apartment building, perhaps free wireless ;) If you're at work, you have wired access or access fro
Re:Three reasons why this is a Bad IdeaTM (Score:2)
Re:Three reasons why this is a Bad IdeaTM (Score:2, Interesting)
2) Cheaper than paying your DSL, Starbucks, etc. Commuting, in the park, etc.
3) While stealing is a nice thing some of us don't have that advantage. We might want 2.2 Mbps throughput at a decent price. Last time I checked it was $500 set up fee including a stationary antenna, and $100 for that kind of throughput to my house. This is also MUCH cheaper than my $60 Cable 1 Mbps connection.
This would make for a very nice
Re:Three reasons why this is a Bad IdeaTM (Score:2)
- I think there is a world market for mabye five computers. Thomas Watson
- Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and weigh only 1.5 tons. Popular Mechanics
- There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home. Ken Olson
- What possible use could anybody have for wireless net access 24x7 in a localised area? Txiasaeia
(Note: some people report that the T
Re:Three reasons why this is a Bad IdeaTM (Score:2)
I wasn't making a prediction about the future
Re:Three reasons why this is a Bad IdeaTM (Score:2)
You're not thinking in the right frame of mind... (Score:3, Interesting)
As for why you would want this, there are still lots of places in the GVRD where you can only get Telus OR Shaw or possibly neither, and if it turns out your Telus connection drops
Re:You're not thinking in the right frame of mind. (Score:2)
Visionary Company (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Visionary Company (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Visionary Company (Score:2)
I do think this Internet thing sounds like a decent idea and (unlike most readers here) I don't think the bandwidth limit is a big deal. My only question is as follows: Didn't Telus buy Fido ju
Re:Visionary Company (Score:3, Informative)
Telus bought Clearnet a few years ago. Fido ran into bankruptcy problems a while back and many expected them to be bought out, but they seem to be recovering.
Re:Visionary Company (Score:2)
No, CityFido [cityfido.ca] is similar. Fido's other popular packages include their cheap pre-paid rates [www.fido.ca], and their Fido to Fido [www.fido.ca] packages.
Fido is also the only Canadian carrier to offer the HipTop [www.fido.ca], which seems to be popular among the young crowd.
Re:Visionary Company (Score:2)
Re:Visionary Company (Score:2)
Making lots of cell sites in the middle of nowhere (ie: outside calgary / edmonton, and the corridor inbetween) does provide great cell service for Alberta's wildlife, but doesn't rake-in profits for the company.
Here's what I do:
I use my CityFido service in Vancouver and save bigtime. $40 (early subscriber price) for unlimited local calling each month is just heaven compared to Telus a
Re:Visionary Company (Score:4, Interesting)
That's what bugs me the most about cellphones, each provider has their own network, and each phone only works on one network. I wish cellphones were more like the internet; it doesn't matter who your ISP is, they all connect to the same internet.
Re:Visionary Company (Score:2)
Actually, all the newer Rogers phones are compatible with the Fido network -- They both use the same GSM standard.
That said, as a rule, you can't simply place a Fido SIM chip in a Rogers phone (or vice versa) as the phones are "Subsidy Locked". Place a non authorised sim in and it will ask you for an unlock code. This is done as the phone companies usually give phones out at sub
Re:Visionary Company (Score:2)
Oh yeah, it's terrible. Not only can you not switch phones between providers, you can't even switch phones between plans on the same provider! For example, if you want to go on a 3-year contract, then they offer you a handful of phones that you're allowed to have, but if you go with prepaid, it's a different set of phones. I've even asked them, "Can I use this phone on this other plan?" and they say "no".
Not all the cell pr
Re:Visionary Company (Score:2)
Re:Visionary Company (Score:2)
They charge the $50 setup fee whether you get your number transferred or not.
Warning: Bandwidth limited... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Warning: Bandwidth limited... (Score:2)
I'm willing to pay for good services that I can actually use, BTW.
Soko
Re:Warning: Bandwidth limited... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Warning: Bandwidth limited... (Score:2, Interesting)
And that's a 20GB allowance. Dial-up plans here these days have 200MB/month (!), and ADSL plans are often the same for the cheaper (AUD$30) plans.
If you were giving away 20GB for $30-40/month here, you'd have everyone buying into it.
Re:Warning: Bandwidth limited... (Score:5, Insightful)
Idiot. Alarmist too. It's a traffic limit, not a bandwidth limit. And besides, 20GB is well beyond what 90% of users (of broadband connections) use.
Re:Warning: Bandwidth limited... (Score:2)
In Toronto
Sympatico [sympatico.ca]
Golden [golden.net]
and
Echo Online [www.eol.ca]
all currently advertise no bandwidth limits on residential DSL.
Re:Warning: Bandwidth limited... (Score:2)
But that's DSL. I'm guessing that this wireless thing is like cable - whatever you do affects other people on your shared bandwidth - I can't imagine you getting your own frequency alloc
Sounds like a good deal to me. (Score:2)
So $40 per month for 25 gigs? And extra
I was just thinking the other day (Score:5, Interesting)
No restrictions in dense areas such as urban centers, since you could always route around a full AP, and free as in not having to pay some ISP by becoming you're very own.
I currently have the only AP for at least 4-5 blocks, it would be great if I had geeky neighbors who'd like to give it a try. I'm sure this idea is as old as dirt by now, but it was the first thing I thought of when I read this.
Re:I was just thinking the other day (Score:1, Informative)
Re:I was just thinking the other day (Score:2)
Re:I was just thinking the other day (Score:2)
Re:I was just thinking the other day (Score:2)
Who cares if your neighboors can tell your reading slashdot or searching on google. They can look in the window to find that stuff out.
Private emails should be encrypted anyway, same goes for online banking and stuff...
"man-in-the-middle attacks" What would they be attacking?
The number one reason this isn't likely to work... (Score:2)
I'd like to setup my media server on your network.
Sounds a bit like Locust Mesh (Score:2)
They're doing it in San Francisco (Score:2)
Right now (as another poster mentioned), it's hard to scale this type of network effectively. But they're already working on ways to make it happen [sfgate.com] in San Francisco. The cost of the rooftop APs is a little out of reach for any but the most diehard geeks (or free wireless advocates), but hopefully the researc
"Up to" - uh oh (Score:5, Insightful)
Also note that data transfer costs $10/gigabyte after the first 20GB (down) or 5GB (up) in a month.
Personally, I think it should be considered false advertising to advertise "up to" anything. Vendors should have to provide a guaranteed minimum.
Re:"Up to" - uh oh (Score:2)
Re:"Up to" - uh oh (Score:2)
Re:"Up to" - uh oh (Score:2, Interesting)
Personally, I think it's up to the consumers to decide which non-essential service is right to them based on accurate information provided. Fido isn't lying to you, this is the maximum possible speed. If it isn't enough information, and you can't manage to get more info from Fido, it's absolutely Caveat Emptor.
Re:"Up to" - uh oh (Score:2)
That's a whole lot better than kicking you off the service when you exceed some limit (as covered in previous slashdot stories). Better still if they give you a way to track your usage so far in a month (via an "odometer" on the modem or an ISP webpage).
I still haven't gotten around to rigging up an iptables based meter for my Cox cable service (which has stated limits, but no way to monitor).
Wow... (Score:4, Interesting)
$20 per month for the first 6 months (regular price: $40 per month)
and thought, damn that's really good for 2.2mbps down wireless internet, then I saw
Monthly transfer: up to 20 GB (download) and 5 GB (upload)
I wouldn't want any kind of internet that gives you limits. I don't know how often I'd use 20GB a month but I'm sure it's very often (lots of bittorent downloading, websites full of flash animations and streaming video, and even games.) If you play UT 2K3 for just 4 hours a day, 25 days a month (that's like coming home from school or work, and playing a few hours) that's around 2 gigs or 1/10th your total bandwidth, for something that uses hardly any bandwidth (around 5-6K/sec and remember there's also hundreds of mutators on like every server and then 10 meg maps.) And how's the upload speed? Latency? I dunno I like the idea of having a wireless ISP and it'd be really cool for a laptop, I don't think this should be uses as your main ISP alone.
Re:Wow... (Score:5, Insightful)
Other ISPs, who either don't want to kick users, or weren't upfront about their limits will find other methods to "fix" the problem users.
Re:Wow... (Score:2)
around here isp's can't really advert it being unlimited if it is limited(scamming isn't good for citizens so it should be illegagl, and is). IT IS NOT STANDARD for most isp's(I know dozens of guys around here, Finland, that do 24/7 leeching on their dsl's or cable modems - with no problems at all since that's how the service was sold to them).
the reason why they need such drastic limits on this wireless connection is probably that if they didn't the freqs they got for i
Re:Wow... (Score:2)
Sounds good to me. (Score:4, Interesting)
The above sounds good, but I'm more worried about the small prints:
"The monthly price is for data transfer of up to 20 GB (download) and 5 GB (upload). A charge of $10 applies per additional GB per month. If you didn't opt for a 24-month Fido Agreement, you're eligible for a smaller discount and your service must remain activated for 90 consecutive days."
20GB/5GB should be enough for anyone really using it as a 2nd connection, but considering the price (40$/month after the 6th month), most people will want to use this as their primary connection and better watch out for extra charges (although people using cable might already be used to those transfer limits).
The whole package seems like a nice deal anyway, but I'm kind of worried about the saturation of frequencies these days...
richmond? (Score:2)
Re:richmond? (Score:2)
lemme see: Flat like a pancake, (also refers to your house after the first earthquake).
Good demographics (lots of affluent chinese business imigrants)
reasonably contained
mostly residential, (some industrial) -> fewer businesses freaking out if/when their connection drops
I think it's mostly being FLAT. This is a test market, so they don't want people complaining about dead spots a lot. If you get into the hilly areas of Vancouver (or, even worse, North Vancouver) you can
Re:richmond? (Score:2, Informative)
The reason why Microcell is introducing the service into the area is partly due to the fact that the majority of Richmond's population is west of Highway 99, which means the population is relatively dense. In fact, the majority of the population sits around Richmond Centre, which isn't really all that large of an area when you loo
Re:richmond? (Score:2)
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The up/down cap (Score:2, Interesting)
FTP server running on Telus...well over 5 GB/month (Score:2)
I am not sure if the bandwidth limits are specific to the pricing package, but I am on the 2.5 Mb/s plan. I have yet to receive any sort of bill or indication of said limits.
Perhaps it is similar to Shaw -- they only go after those who are burden to the network. Shaw has bandwidth limits as well in their terms of service, but from what I remember they were never exactly spelled out.
Re:The up/down cap (Score:2, Interesting)
On Shaw, I was hounded for weeks by their 'abuse' team, and eventually dropped their service because of it. Even after I cut back on the bandwidth usage, they were bitching about me running a DNS server (WTF?!?). Their policy is 'cut the user offline on a friday night at 5pm so they can't get ahold of us until Monday, and ask questions later'.
Telus I've never really had a
Re:The up/down cap (Score:2)
How do you find Uniserve? I'm going to need to switch DSL providers in the next few weeks, but need something that will provide a static IP, and aren't hyper-anal (read: Shaw) about running servers and bandwidth caps.
N.
Re:The up/down cap (Score:2)
Telus does have business accounts, start at the $89.95/month account level and you get 2 static IPs, advertised on telus.com so they don't seem too reluctant to offer static IPs.
They don't offer statics for residential account levels, but then again, how many residential accounts have such a need?
Verizon (Score:3, Interesting)
Fido... (Score:2, Interesting)
OT:
Anyone else notice the ads for the "ROKU network music player" Quite a nifty looking device, and if I were looking for a network music player, I'd look into it. But you'd have to pry my
Re:Fido... (Score:2, Informative)
Out of RANGE?! (Score:4, Informative)
>> Of course, this is all torture for me since I live next-door in Vancouver, just out of reach of the network."
Two Words...
Names, actually...
Yagi - Uda
Many years ago, these two Nipponese rf engineers designed a nifty, easy to build yourself, high gain antenna, that at the frequencies you need, is quite a small package.
You see them all over, they look like sideways, one dimensional xmas trees. They are made in many sizes, for different frequencies.
They are however, mostly line of sight, with increasing signal attenuation (crappier signal) if the path is blocked by anything, like mountians, buildings, big trees, etc..
Don't give up hope. Experiment a little, and see if you can't connect to their network.
You may even be able to find a techy inside the company, who is willing to go above and beyond the call of duty, and help you out, over time, to see if you can make the connection.
Don't give up, go for it!
Re:Out of RANGE?! (Score:2)
The problem I can see is that I bet their hardware dosn't have an antenna connector, and the antenna is built on. Then you could just put the entire unit at the focal point of the dish.
Another problem people are going to have with this service is that its pretty much strickly line of site, so your going to have to be facing/able to see the tower to get on, even in the 2.5km radius.
1D Christmas Tree? (Score:2)
This is a bit bothersome... (Score:4, Insightful)
Fido (Microcell) uses GSM, which most likely means that this service is GPRS-based, which works on the same waveband if I remember right. They're notorious for offering awesome packages, but pitiful reception in certain areas.
I hope that if they're going to introduce this service that they actually improve the signal quality, because it isn't GSM that is the problem -- Rogers AT&T Wireless uses the same system, but it is the fact that there isn't enough nodes for me to connect to.
I am a very happy Fido customer regardless, but there are times where the reception blackouts do piss me off.
Re:This is a bit bothersome... (Score:2)
Re:This is a bit bothersome... (Score:2)
Varied Reception Doesn't Matter (Score:2)
should be easily fixed (Score:2, Interesting)
just the thought..
r.
i live in Richmond (Score:2)
This is cool news. I switched to Roger AT&T on my cell and i kinda regret it, with the Fido $40 / month unlimited cell plan.
And although the promised wireless internet speed seems to be somewhat less than my current cable broadband, the portability would make many drool. If you can carry the modem around easily with your laptop that is. That is its selling point (the price isn't cheap)
Directional? (Score:3, Informative)
Virginia Coverage (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.r-comm.net/
They are friendly fellas and their rates are comparable with DSL pricing. Nice if you are out in the sticks.
Fido's offering is MMDS (Score:2, Informative)
MMDS is Multipoint Microwave Distribution System. The system uses RF spectrum between 2500 and 2700 MHz and if I recall correctly is required by the terms of the license to use only horizontal polarization.
The radio physics behind it are exactly the same as an 802.11b network - line of site required, free space loss, etc are all very similar.
The MAC layer is designed for access rather than wireless lan so it'll act much better than an 802.11b cell - think 802.11b with Karlnet or Alvarion Breeze Acce
Re:Fido's offering is MMDS (Score:2)
This is a somewhat incoherent response.
Free space loss is directly related to frequency, unless you're a slashdot visitor from some alternate dimension. MMDS will be just a teeny bit worse on free space loss than 802.11b because it is just slightly higher frequency wise.
NLOS is snake oil as anyone who has ever installed microwave systems will tell you. Frequency doesn't matter, OFDM only helps a tiny little bit, and if you base a business plan on it you are and completely and utterly screwed.
Re:Fido's offering is MMDS (Score:2)
Graham,
Have you publicized your success ratio on the part-15.org mailing list? I'm not paying as much attention to it as when I owned a wireless ISP but your successes. Has Steve Stroh covered your installation yet? Respond in thread with some hints about what your email address might be - I'd like to hear a bit more about what you've accomplished.
-puzzled
Re:Fido's offering is MMDS (Score:3, Informative)
FYI the manufacturer will tell you the di-lithium crystals only need to be replaced every ten thousand light years or so.
OFDM is a good thing, but it ain't all that. Claims of non line of site operation are nice, with some of the products it will work a lot of the time, but you can never, ever build a business plan based on the builder's claim of radio performance.
Write me when you've done fifty installs and let me know how well it works
Re:Ahh the pain of waiting (Score:3, Insightful)
Case in point: Richmond is a sprawl of low-density housing comprised of [1-3] floor dwelling units and an almost perfectly flat topography. These qualities allow the first phase of the public trial to expose the benefits and shortcomings of the non-LOS system that iFido use
It will never happen (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:be prepared for busy signals :) (Score:2)
I've been with Fido in the Vancouver area for six months now, and I've never had a system busy signal. I have no idea what they're like elsewhere in Canada, but in the GVRD they're top notch -- way ahead of Rogers, and arguably slightly better (and way less scummy) than Telus.
Re:be prepared for busy signals :) (Score:2, Informative)
jaraxle
Re:be prepared for busy signals :) (Score:2)
THAT WAS IT!
As I was posting that, I was trying to remember when I'd had the busy signal on my previous stay with Fido (ended because a AT&T Rogers salesbot fast talked me). It was on the way out of the final day of the Festival of Lights. I wanted to call my girlfriend (overseas) and tell her where I was, since it was my usual time to call her. I ended up just sending an SMS
Thanks... that's been bugging me...
Reminds me of the well known Vancouver joke.... (Score:4, Funny)
The Fraser.
Richmond/Delta, get it? Yeah, it's not the best joke and anyone from Vancouver has probably heard it a thousand times...
Whooooosh...there's the sound of evaporating karma.
Re:In belgium (Score:2)