Japanese Pocket-Size PC Cube Demonstrated 254
rocketjam writes "The Japanese company, Personal Media Corporation, has demonstrated a prototype of a cube-shaped pocket-sized computer called the T-Cube (tentative name). The T-Cube runs the T-Engine OS, an operating system apparently being developed by a consortium of Asian companies for embedded devices and networked computers. The machine is about the size of an orange, uses a CPU made by NEC and sports a desktop written for the Chinese Market supporting Multi- and Super-Chinese Character sets. It is scheduled to ship in Q1 of 2004."
Larger photo (Score:5, Informative)
Looks quite nice to me. Even an integrated ethernet port, audio... - nice, where can I get it?
Re:Larger photo (Score:2)
I can't think of any large advantages, considering the availability of PocketPCs, laptops, and desktops. What do we need another configuration for?
Re:Larger photo (Score:4, Insightful)
Seems like a natural for the wearable computing platform. This thing can be easily concealed inside a fanny pack, and still be hooked up to more traditional perhiperals when not on-the-go.
Re:Larger photo (Score:4, Insightful)
How does a box the size of an orange fit into anyone's apparel? Even with the emphasis on thinness in the PDA/cellphone market, we have to choose between cargo pants and bulging pockets.
Integrated ethernet port? I guess you can wear the computer as a necklace by using the ethernet cable that you'll also have to carry around. Why in the world wouldn't they build in an 802.11(something) chip?
Integrated audio? I hope but doubt that it's also got integrated speakers.
This is just about the low point in bad tech design. I am crazy about the idea of truly portable computing - schlepp your entire data store and OS on a high-density flash card; pop it into any computing device - handheld, notebook, public-access workstation, kiosk - and get instant and full access to your data, according to your preferred interface style, in a presentation appropriately scaled to the device. But toys like this represent a step back from that movement. They're totally useless for a dozen reasons, and they lead people to believe that buzzwords like "wearable computing" have no non-geek future.
- David Stein
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Re:Larger photo (Score:2, Informative)
It's worth pointing out that in the UK we call 'em "bum bags" -- as the word 'fanny' is slang for that part of the anatomy that is particular to only the female of the species.
[insert variant on obvious joke here..]
Re:Larger photo (Score:3, Insightful)
Maybe in the U.S. that wouldn't fly, but there are lots of people like that in Japan. Some of it is for a purpose (e.g., if your room is smaller, you may be less willing to have a big-ol' tower case taking up space and looking ugly), but in part it's also simply preference, and fashion.
A laptop can also satisfy this, but the integrated nature of laptops is an unecessary restriction for many uses, and let's face it -- l
Re:Larger photo (Score:2)
need to carry LCD? (Score:2, Funny)
(all the sites are
btw: IMHO the thing of this size and proportions does not fit good into trousers pocket.
Re:Larger photo (Score:2)
Still, if that's the power connector, it seems awfully close to the speaker out connector. There could be AC noise bleedthrough. How much isolation can it have at that size?
Not really an orange. (Score:5, Interesting)
And that price tag is not really abnormal in Japan. When I was there, 10,000 yen was about $40. They were selling cantaloupes for that price. They would cut the vine nicely and gift wrap them in little window boxes. Now, that's about $100. Oddly enough, honeydew melons were only about 500 yen at the time, maybe $2.
Re:Larger photo (Score:2)
site's a bit slow (Score:3, Funny)
Strange that they call it a "pocket computer"... (Score:5, Funny)
That's some pocket computer. Excuse me, but is that a PMC T-Cube in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?
Re:Strange that they call it a "pocket computer".. (Score:3, Funny)
No wonder fashion was so atrocious back then. 5.25" pockets...Helicopter collars...Platform shoes...ick.
Re:Strange that they call it a "pocket computer".. (Score:2)
Re:Strange that they call it a "pocket computer".. (Score:3, Interesting)
Think of the applications for toy lines, particularly action and fashion figures!
Re:Strange that they call it a "pocket computer".. (Score:5, Funny)
Japan is working on that (Score:5, Funny)
Re:It gets worse: (Score:2)
Get a bunch of decomissioned barges, plop a desalination rig on one, have it securely anchored in some storm resistant bay/inlet, and pump out a butt load of hydroponic produce! At the prices these asian countries are paying for fruit, I suspect there has got to be a *sweet* spot in there somewhere.
This blurb pegs a new design [uswaternews.com] circa 1996 (nuke plant required) pegs in at 1000$/acre... Assuming thats per year (or even growing season), you cou
Now we need the foldable screen ... (Score:2, Interesting)
CC.
rock on!! (Score:2, Insightful)
in all seriousness, imagine linux on that thing. your own desktop pc to take with you whereveer you go. and if you bought one of those pocket tv's, it could serve as a pda too, maybe
ok that would need some hacking, but you get my point
Re:rock on!! (Score:2, Funny)
Computers that fit in a pocket (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Computers that fit in a pocket (Score:2)
screen (Score:2, Interesting)
is that an orange in your pocket? (Score:5, Insightful)
So the OS is some non-standard thing w/probably little or no support, the shape is not really good for "pocket PCs", there is no screen, and everything is in yen and Japanese
No thanks. I'll stick to my rarely stable PocketPC for now.
Re:is that an orange in your pocket? (Score:3, Interesting)
The TRON family of OSes (of which this t-engine is a derivative) have plenty of support- in Asia. Not in the US, no.
Rarely stable PocketPC? You should get a Linux PDA! I had to reboot my Zaurus far more times than I've had to reboot any PocketPC; and the reboots take 5 minutes instead of 20 seconds. Count your blessings.
Re:is that an orange in your pocket? (Score:3, Interesting)
The Sony P900 or the Treo 600 is the one that I would go with. But I really like the sidekicks size and layout. Too bad its locked to 1 carrier. Being able to SSH and having a fullsize thumbboard is really nice.
The T-Cube seems like a perfect replacement for an audio/visual pc. I play all my mp3s/videos over the network on an Xbox. The t-cube has audio, not sure if the vg
Actual size of the T-Cube (Score:4, Informative)
For those outside Asia, comparing the T-Cube's size to an orange may be a little misleading, although it's apparent from the photo that the oranges are smaller than navel oranges. To further clarify the point of reference, djqed is right in that the oranges in the photos are mikan. 'Mikan' is the Japanese word for mandarin oranges, of which tangerines are one type (but the oranges in the photos aren't tangerines).
Re:It's probably a little smaller than an orange (Score:2)
So what? (Score:5, Interesting)
Can it easily slip into my pocket?
Yes: iPod, etc
No: cube the size of an orange
Can I carry it around easily?
Yes: cube, laptop
No: server
Does it need reinforced flooring?
Yes: mainframe
No: server
So, basically, I'm not seeing much of a reason to go minimalistic on computers. If portability is a concern, that's already solved with modern laptops - which this isn't meaningfully smaller than (I mean, can't be treated much differently than). If it isn't a concern, then you don't need the extreme small size. And if density is a concern, you're better off with more powerful systems (per cubic whatever) than smaller ones.
Just MHO, of course.
Re:So what? (Score:3, Interesting)
The lure of a small fully functional PC that's easily totable (granted this one isn't really pocket sized but it's still quite portable) and can plug into a full size keyboard/monitor kiosk type thing is definetly there. For me anyways.
Granted the current world doesn't have the infastructure for this sort of thing but if it took off, I think it would be awesome to have a fully configured machine to my tastes available wherever I went.
Even if it was just a gateway to accessing my real mac
Re:So what? (Score:3, Interesting)
I have a WinCE-based PDA/handheld PC/palmtop, the Sigmarion III. Japanese-only (like all the good stuf!), but as a non-Japanese speaker it works great for me after I had it imported.
It has USB, which is rare on a PDA- so there is external kb and mouse.
Re:So what? (Score:2)
All else being equal (Score:2)
The category for this one is "it fits easily inside pretty much any backpack". Laptops don't.
Bryan
Re:All else being equal (Score:2)
Re:So what? (Score:3, Insightful)
This seems almost like the reverse idea. Build docking stations to fit the cube, and you can carry the COMPUTER with you. No need to worry about the privacy of your data, or the expense of a monitor. I could see where this could become VERY popular in Asia, where th
Re:So what? (Score:2)
When security is the issue, ask yourself if you are paranoid enough.
Re:So what? (Score:2)
Kid, you're paranoid enough for the both of us.
Obviously, if your only source of communication is public, you've got to be careful what you're saying, no matter the transmission method. But there is a big security difference between reading unencrypted files saved on a public machine, and building an inline sniffer device. The former can be done by any curious person who comes along. The latter requires know how and intent. You're talking the difference between
Just bad engineering (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Just bad engineering (Score:2)
"Damn, my computer keeps rolling off of the table."
Re:Just bad engineering (Score:2)
I'd prefer one shaped like a cucumber, much more bang for the buck when you carry it around in your pocket.
What's the big deal? (Score:4, Insightful)
Another small computer is cool, but is it really especially newsworthy?
Re:What's the big deal? (Score:2)
Orange you glad! (Score:2, Funny)
Article: New PC T-Cube as small as an Orange (Score:3, Informative)
T-Engine is somekind of OS standardization project for networked computers in Japan that started in 2002. Seems they want to build something that does not require to license Windows. Don't know why they not just adopt Linux.
The T-Cube runs the current T-Engine OS and uses a CPU from NEC VR5701. The desktop is written for the chinese Market supporting Multi- and Super-Chinese Character sets.
The T-Cube (tentative name) is supposed to ship in Q1 2004. Press-Release [personal-media.co.jp] (Raw Translation [i4u.com])
See also the Java Wrist Watches [i4u.com] that were presented at the TRON 2004 show in Tokyo.
Re:Article: New PC T-Cube as small as an Orange (Score:2)
Is there an SDK for this OS somewhere, free for download? Support on migrating linux apps to it?
Just currious, if TRON will make a migration to the US and electronics over here. That t-cube looks sweet, 400mhz cpu, even audio support.
TRON (Score:2)
I've heard there's a tTRON wrapper for eCOS, but have not checked this out personally.
A 400MHz CPU can achieve a lot if not loaded with a fat-ass OS. One of the slickest machines I've ever seen was a RiscOS box running on a 200MHz ARM.
Re:TRON (Score:2)
Indeed, without a big, slow OS a lot can be done. Certain things will be slow no metter the OS on a 400 MHz CPU- MP3 encoding, for example. My main machine is a 400 MHz WindowsCE box. Tiny, light, and fast as hell. Anything else that Win9x/NT has I don't need and haven't missed. And
Re:TRON (Score:2)
It would be nice to think that at some stage we'll see a trend back towards lighter-weight software. There might seem littl
Re:TRON (Score:3, Insightful)
But when it comes down to actually using the thing, the whole WinCE package *feels* a ton faster (even using MFC, provided it's a newer machine) than using Linux/Qtopia or Linux/X11
A little scary... (Score:5, Insightful)
It's a little scary, though, that the east Asian countries are developing their own track of OSes with which we in the west may have to learn to deal. It's also a scary thought that having a group of OSes for one set of people and another set of OSes for another set of people may slow or even reverse the growing commonality of international communication.
Of course, this is coming from an American spoiled by the fact that most of the world is willing to learn my native language. I know enough of two other languages to make do, and enough of a fourth to find a taxi, hospital, restaurant, toilet, and hotel -- enough to travel in a pinch I guess. So I'm not the average Anglophonic snob. But still, it's a bit scary.
Hopefully all the multi-byte character support and such built into the systems such as this can improve the same on other OSes. It' be a shame if we were to be separated by both language and platform from a substantial part of the world.
Re:A little scary... (Score:2)
> with which we in the west may have to learn to deal.
Man, that's a good thing. It's the competition microsoft always pays lip service to but never really deals with.
I think if a powerful OS started filtering into the states from the east, nothing better could happen to our "western" systems. If the new system truly is an improvement, it will force us to adapt or die.
Re:A little scary... (Score:2, Offtopic)
People like to slam American because they only know english, and frankly I am getting tired of it. Do you know how much learning another language would help me? Very little, see American is a pretty big place, and everyone(almost) speaks English.
So the investment in time for most Americans to learn a language doesn't pay off. And even if I did what language should I learn?
Spanish maybe, but every other language is a crapshoot.
So lay off the "American are arrogan
Re:A little scary... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:A little scary... (Score:2)
No, actually, it's a good thing.
Homogenous systems tend to force everyone to adhere to the same standard, no matter what that standard is. With the substantial rise of non-Wintel platforms, Microsoft will lose their ability to shut competitors out of the market with proprietary file formats and protocols.
Because the only truly portable documents are composed of byte streams, Microsoft will have to adopt fully open and standardized formats, or risk their customers losing connectivity with the rest o
Big Question. (Score:2)
can't tell from the since it's slashdotted.
Re:Big Question. (Score:2)
the part conserning the t-engine os. you're not going to be running windows on it if that's what you're asking.
Re:Big Question. (Score:2)
hahahahaha. bochs. yeah right.
This wouldn't suck. (Score:2)
Not really, Debian has you covered. [debian.org] Native Linux, probably ready to go.
Re:This wouldn't suck. (Score:2)
All things considered (Score:5, Funny)
Re:All things considered (Score:2)
"The eating of an orange is a lot like a good marriage." - Hans Moleman [snpp.com]
alternatively (Score:5, Informative)
which *does* run linux, and is smaller.
see:
http://www.intrinsyc.com/products/cerfcub
tcube site is slashdotted, but I suspect
that the cerfcube consumes less power as
well.
Re:alternatively (Score:2)
I imagine any difference in power has a lot to do with the functionality that the CerfCube lacks- no display out or input in. There's ethernet and CF. Not very useful as some
Watermelons (Score:5, Funny)
oh wait.
Re:Watermelons (Score:5, Funny)
Exactly how big? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Exactly how big? (Score:2)
Re:Exactly how big? (Score:2)
Okay, is it a Mandarin or a Satsuma orange?
Specs? (Score:2)
The specs.... I think. Maybe... It is in japanese (Score:2)
Looks like standard PDA type hardware except for the resolution out. But then of course it doesn't have a display of its own.
BTW looking at the larger pics. Doesn't the design seem awfully open? I can see inside through several large holes. In my pocket that would not survive long. And yes my pocket is large enough to fit it though the corners may be a bit much.
This beats the pants off of Mini-ITX (Score:2, Interesting)
Apples and Oranges (Score:2)
more pictures (Score:3, Informative)
pictures of ports [beareyes.com.cn]
inside board stack [beareyes.com.cn] (looks like it's 3 boards total)
better picture (Score:3, Informative)
it comes in many colors!
These are cute, (Score:3, Insightful)
They're portable: but so are PDAs. And unlike the tcube, PDAs come with an integrated screen and some means for inputting data. These don't, so they're of limited use on the road. Even for telecommuters, you might as well stick with your laptop.
I suppose if you wanted to transport an entire data center to the other side of the floor, or even across town, these could be carried in a crate rather tna shipped on a truck. But, honestly, how often is this a consideration when choosing hardware?
I suppose they could come in handy for a home network or informal hosting operation out of your basement. But unless they're cheap, I doubt people would choose them over the eight too-obolete-for-gaming-but-perfectly-good-for-any- other-purpose desktops they already have in their basements.
What is the target market for these? People who like cute little multicolored boxes?
Potential Form Factors...Geekbook? (Score:4, Interesting)
I'd love to see it in a clamshell handheld configuration - 800x480, wide format screen, perhaps 7" diagonal, minimal psion like keyboard, and a big old battery, something off the shelf, perhaps a pair of cell phone batteries. Trackpad eraser would be nice, too.
Offer it with no memory (but with a SO-DIMM slot), cf slot (two better), ethernet, serial.
Hardware only warranty, and let the user or vars populate the memory, storage device (flash or CF hard drive), memory. That way, it could be offered as cheaply as possible. Use a standard boot method, too.
Then let the community decide on what OS to port to it - NetBSD, Linux, whatever. You'd end up with one device that spans from a very stripped PDA like config (minimal flash, memory), to something that could be a mini-notebook (lots of memory and up to 4 gigs of rotating storage), and everything in between.
It could be a portable serial terminal for sysadmins, a mobile web/internet platform, a portable media player, or a total notebook replacement. Whatever you want it to be.
I'd love one, and would pay near-notebook prices to get one. At under $600, it'd be a killer. Anyone else?
Jonathan
Re:Potential Form Factors...Geekbook? (Score:2)
Re:Potential Form Factors...Geekbook? (Score:2)
Re:Potential Form Factors...Geekbook? (Score:4, Informative)
Buuut, there is a similar beast with a bigger screen and very similar stats. The Zupera Smartbook. [windowsfordevices.com] Has a slower CPU though- 206 MHz StrongARM. (XGA = 800x480)
Now all someone has to do is port Linux, NetBSD, whatver. Shouldn't be that bad, though I don't know what support chips it uses, which really is where the work comes in with these PDAs.
So like PC/104 but different. (Score:2)
T-Engine to Linux (Score:3, Informative)
See? It all comes back to Linux!
Tron, The Most Popular OS in the World (Score:5, Interesting)
What is the world's most widely used operating system? It's not Windows , Unix or Linux, but ITRON, a Japanese real-time kernel for small-scale embedded systems. ITRON runs on mobile phones , digital cameras, CD players and countless other electronic devices.
ITRON emerged as an ambitious Japanese initiative known as The Real-time Operating system Nucleus (TRON). Launched in 1984, TRON was designed to replace disparate computer systems with a unified, open architecture for a "total computer environment."
[...]
The ITRON specification is a standard real-time OS kernel that can be tailored to any embedded system. ITRON already has been ported to a wide range of microprocessor architectures and has quickly become Japan's de facto standard for embedded systems. Today, the specification is used in an estimated 3 billion microprocessors.
http://www.linuxinsider.com/perl/story/31855.html
bigger than it looks. (Score:3, Insightful)
that said, neato. looks way too much like a gamecube.
The Deadly CUBES! (Score:2, Funny)
Be afraid!
cluster? (Score:2)
Cube? Or Sphere? (Score:4, Funny)
There is a pretty big difference in size between a cube that would fit inside an orange, versus a cube that an orange would just barely fit inside.
Isn't there some cubic object that would have made a better analogy? The only thing I see on my desk is the rubik's cube. I'm sure I could do better but I'm in a hurry.
Camera (Score:3, Interesting)
Can't find its daddy. (Score:2)
Bastards! (Score:2)
I am planning a nano-itx box, with a laptop DVD and hard drives, in a tiny case, either cube-shaped or the size of a medium sized paperback book.
I can't move forward until the nano-itx boards come out in the spring.
Of course, I'm planning on making mine black, not hideous orange...
Re:Bastards! (Score:2)
custom operating systems rarely win (Score:2)
Buy Two (Score:3, Funny)
Efficient computer design (Score:2, Interesting)
What I'd really like to see is a 'cluster' appliance that looks something like this, but can 'stacked' via some kind of edge connector on the sides.
Lego computing!
!=orange (Score:2, Interesting)
Answer (Score:2)
Re:Out of this World (Score:2)
Re:Is it painted red/white/green? (Score:3, Funny)