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MikeDawg writes "After dealing with the headache of never having enough electrical outlets, not having a cable TV coaxial, not having a telephone hookup in the right places of my apartment, I found this article at CNN. It is nice to see that college dorm rooms are getting filled with outlets to provide students with enough hook-ups with for all their electronics. My question to you (renters/dorm-room dwellers) is does your dorm room or apartment have enough outlets, whether it be electrical, cable, telephone, or anything else you may need? What do you do in a situation like this? Do you load up each socket with a 10+ port power strip (or battery backup as it may be) and pray that you don't knock-out the circuit everytime you start burning a CD?"
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  • Well... (Score:5, Funny)

    by JoeBaldwin ( 727345 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @08:06AM (#7586819) Homepage Journal
    Remember that Slashdot story a while back, about the guy who made a fusion generator in his dorm room?

    He made it for fun: I NEED it :)
    • Re:Well... (Score:4, Interesting)

      by useosx ( 693652 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @09:56AM (#7587200)
      My last apartment both my roommate and I would lose power (and thus our poor boxen would lose data) every time we used the microwave too high or too long. First solution: battery backups (10 bucks each with Staples rebates, g-d bless).

      So no more data loss, but still an annoyance. Then I was stupidly toying with the inside of the light switch for the living room and sparks flew and I blew the circuit. Lucky for us, this led me to discover that there was a 3rd circuit (yes, two circuits was not nearly enough*) for our floor dedicated to a single light bulb that must have been added years after all the other electrical stuff.

      So we ran to Home Depot (g-d bless you overpriced bastards) and back and hacked in a 4-port outlet and we were golden ever since.

      So the moral of the story: when you don't have enough outlets, make more. As a geek you have a instinctive understanding of electricity.

      *The ancient washer and drying in the basement would trip the other circuit if they ran together
      • Re:Well... (Score:4, Interesting)

        by orangesquid ( 79734 ) <orangesquid AT yahoo DOT com> on Saturday November 29, 2003 @12:30PM (#7587921) Homepage Journal
        Our dorm has something like six pairs of recepticles, and we have 11-outlet strips plugged into each and every one to power my many boxen [udel.edu]. We're not allowed to use extension cords or piggyback surges strips, so we have to be careful and plan very well...

        I also haven't turned on all the machines at once, because I'm fairly sure it would kill the circuit. I used to have half of these machines spread in my basement, and the load they would generate if they all switched on simultaneously, as the drives and fans were spinning up, was enormous; it would trip the breaker every time.
      • Re:Well... (Score:3, Insightful)

        by merdark ( 550117 )
        So the moral of the story: when you don't have enough outlets, make more. As a geek you have a instinctive understanding of electricity.

        Umm. This is a dangerous suggestion man. Geeks may have an understanding of electricity, but certainly not instinctive. Unless a geek is an engineer or physics major, they probably shouldn't go fooling with building circuitry.

        Then again, if we rid the world of a bunch of geeks, then there will be less competition for those tech jobs eh?

        Weasly idea. Good one.
  • by Pingular ( 670773 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @08:06AM (#7586821)
    have you considered using a bicycle generator? i.e where you have to pedal for 5 hours a week to charge up a battery which can supply enough power for a TV for an hour or so?
    • Heh... reminds me of Soylent Green. Before long, we'll be eating delicious Soulent Green crackers!

      mmmm! Yummy! I wonder what's in 'em?
    • Power Consumption (Score:5, Informative)

      by BigBlockMopar ( 191202 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @12:56PM (#7588076) Homepage

      have you considered using a bicycle generator? i.e where you have to pedal for 5 hours a week to charge up a battery which can supply enough power for a TV for an hour or so?

      I've thought of that before. You know, it's a great idea for a few reasons:

      • all those hours of inactivity are turned into exercise
      • makes watching TV a lot more work than doing the studying you really should be doing, so your marks will improve
      • saves you from watching The Matrix for the 700th time when you could be doing more productive things like drinking beer with friends

      I do have to wonder about how bad this dorm room power crisis really is. Let's consider appliances with realistic maximum power consumptions:

      • Computer - 350 watts
      • Monitor - 250 watts
      • Computer speakers - 50 watts (note that this is less than the output "ratings" from the marketing department - your "350W" computer speakers must be violating the laws of conservation of energy)
      • Laser printer - 300 watts
      • Wall-warts for PDA, cellphone, clock-radio, small switched hub or router - 30 watts total
      • Boom box - 50 watts (see Computer Speakers)
      • TV set - 250 watts
      • VCR/DVD player - 50 watts
      • Beer fridge - 300 watts
      • Lights over desk, etc - 200 watts

      Note that many of these loads are intermittent or mutually exclusive. Most laser printers only pull any amount of power when the printer is actually fusing a page. The boom box probably won't be playing loudly at the same time as the computer speakers. And, unless you like to leave the door open, the beer fridge's compressor should be off most of the time.

      And some of these appliances will become duplicates in a shared dorm room, so the realistic likelihood of them being on at once is small.

      1830 watts is the total power consumption for the list of appliances above. In my jurisdiction, commercial buildings (including University residences) have one outlet per 1500W circuit. Most circuit breakers are thermal (takes time to heat up a bimetallic strip in the breaker) and therefore act like slow-blow fuses. And unless you're printing a massive pile of course notes while playing the boom box and computer speakers loudly and doing it with the beer fridge door jammed open, the loads are probably going to be too transient to trip the breaker. So you may have a whole load of power bars plugged into that one outlet, but in reality, it's likely to be perfectly fine.

      On the other hand, dorm rooms are small. It's in the students' best interests - forget power consumption - to slim things down:

      • Computer - 350 watts
      • Monitor - space-saving LCD - 60 watts
      • Computer speakers - 50 watts
      • Laser printer - 300 watts
      • Wall-warts for PDA, cellphone, clock-radio, small switched hub or router - 30 watts total
      • Boom box - play MP3/Ogg/CDs from computer - 0 watts
      • TV set - video card with TV features, preferably not ATI because their software sucks - 0 watts
      • VCR/DVD player - play DVD on computer, and if you absolutely have to rip some video off-air, do it with the computer - 0 watts
      • Beer fridge - 300 watts
      • Lights over desk, etc - 200 watts

      Noting that this scheme is merely a common-sense approach to giving you more space in your dorm room (and making moving at the end of the year that much less painful), your maximum consumption will only be about 1260 watts. Which means that if you've got a circuit, you're fine.

      I'd suggest to universities that they point out in their residence brochures something along the lines of "Moving into and out of residence can be unpleasant. For that reason, we suggest that students attempt to travel as lightly as possible. LCD monitors and video cards with TV inputs will save you space by avoiding having to carry around bulky CRT displays." Maybe offer a small rebate to students who use an LCD monitor and TV-in video card to replace a CRT-based monitor and TV set.

  • Nope (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Kadmium ( 679058 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @08:07AM (#7586826)
    I must say that I don't have enough power in my room. There's only one outlet here and I run a PC, (musical) keyboard, guitar effects kit, DSL modem, clock, etc etc. I have a power strip plugged into another power strip. An interesting side effect is that when I turn on my fan, my USB hub reboots.
    • Re:Nope (Score:3, Insightful)

      It's also very dangerous, and may be against your institutions fire or helath and safety rules.
      • Re:Nope (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Dr. Evil ( 3501 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @10:06AM (#7587260)

        People say that, but it doesn't make any sense. North American outlets are generally rated and have breakers/fuses for 15A. Breakers on power bars are generally rated for 10A. Plugging a power bar into a power bar into a power bar, and sucking a few watts here and a few watts there with silly fat transformers driving wimpy low-power devices shouldn't cause any problems at all.

        As soon as you hit 10A, your first breaker goes. As soon as you hit 15, the branch circuit breaker goes.

        How is this dangerous?

        Now if you're one of those nuts who's response to blowing a breaker is to put in a bigger breaker, then you'll heat up your wiring in the walls, make the insulation brittle and weak, until some day the insulation cracks, a short appears and that over-rated wire surrounded by dry, warm building materials bursts into flames.

    • I've never had a problem. Yet.

      I do a basic count of how much power there is to use, and don't go over it. At the moment out of the 2400watts I can pull from a wall socket I'd use about 1800 if every device used its maximum power, and that's extremely unlikely.

      If I were to plug the 2 servers that I currently have in another room into this wall, then I could have problems, but apart from the power requirements the noise is a good enough reason for them to be off across the house.
    • Re:Nope (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Mr Smidge ( 668120 )
      Ahh, I had a friend in much the same situation as you last year.. for an entire room, he had only two sockets in the wall. So he promptly daisy-chained together a couple of extension cables to accomodate his desktop computer (with 400W PSU, I might add), monitor, lamps, toaster, kettle, blender, laptop, 150W stereo hifi amp.. The room actually hummed, and similarly to you, the lights in the room would dim whenever he switched on too many things.

      I have 6 plugs to work with (compared to 4 this year), which
      • Its kinda weird, we have a 60amp supply + an off peak supply to this house, and still one of the microwaves in the kitchen makes all the kitchen lights dim. Same with the water heater on the top floor too. As for sockets in my room I have no real complaints there. They're positioned fairly sensibly too, either side of my desk (which is huge). What i'd really like though is some cat5 cabling in the walls instead. Currently we have a switch on each floor and cables just running tucked up against the skirting
  • by The-Pheon ( 65392 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @08:09AM (#7586834) Homepage
    My question to you (renters/dorm-room dwellers) is does your dorm room or apartment have enough outlets, whether it be electrical, cable, telephone, or anything else you may need?

    Of Course not! I'm a geek :O)

    What do you do in a situation like this? Do you load up each socket with a 10+ port power strip (or battery backup as it may be) and pray that you don't knock-out the circuit everytime you start burning a CD?

    yes, of course!

    Dorm rooms and small apartments don't lend themselves to large power generators. Maybe you can get a excercise bike and hook up a line! :)

  • by SexyKellyOsbourne ( 606860 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @08:10AM (#7586838) Journal

    One of the reasons they're doing this is that students often tend to use multiple extensions on a single outlet, which is the second leading cause of fire deaths, according to this [fire-extinguisher101.com].

    In fact, the recent Moscow dorm fire that killed dozens and injured hundreds more was caused by such a fire, by a computer science student with dozens of electrical devices in his dorm. I suppose universities don't want such a thing to happen here.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/ 2001802164_dormfire27.html [nwsource.com]

    • I've heard about universities as much as ten years ago banning even just having a refrigerator because the wiring couldn't keep up with every room having a refrigerator.

      Rewiring old buildings is expensive, replacing them even more so, so people had to put up with restrictions. Many of these buildings may be several decades and possibly centuries old, so it may have been a while since the wiring has been given an update.
      • I've heard about universities as much as ten years ago banning even just having a refrigerator because the wiring couldn't keep up with every room having a refrigerator.

        I lived in a building like that 5 years ago. I think it was built sometime in the 30s. We were allowed to have refrigerators, but microwaves, toasters, and space heaters were strictly forbidden. You could get in trouble (written up and somehow punished) if any authority figure saw your contraband. However, that didn't really stop a lot

  • I have plenty (Score:2, Interesting)

    by jevring ( 618916 )
    In my dormroom at uu.se, I have plenty of outlets and the are situated in good places around the room, like a 4 socket outlet on the wall next to the TP.
  • Easy (Score:5, Funny)

    by clifgriffin ( 676199 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @08:12AM (#7586842) Homepage
    You'll need a few basic tools.

    Saw-zaw
    Screwdriver
    Wire Cutters
    Electrical Tape
    Cinnamon Rolls
    Gloves

    Using the sawzaw, carefull make an incision in a wall adjacent to the next dorm room. Put on the gloves and extremly carefully use the wire cutters, electrical tape, and cinnamon buns to wire in this "new found" power source.

    You may want to use some "mud" and sheetrock to restore the wall surface to its original state.

    Enjoy!
  • However, I live in a trailer in the middle of the desert. (why? great view and it's cheap.) During the summer I can
    a) run ac and cook
    b) run my computer and ac
    c) run my computer and cook

    but not all three at the same time. (at least, not without having to take trips out to flip breaker switches).
  • I don't know how heavy the circuit breakers in the states generally are, but I run all my electrical devices on two breakers, both of them 16 amps, mains voltage here is 220, and I've never had a power outage.
    16 amps @ 220 volts gives a power rating of 3520, a power consumation I won't ever reach with 2 computers and my lighting and stuff. The power intensive machines (washing machine, electrical oven and fridge) are on the other fuse.
    If I were in america, I'd probably consider using one of the 220 volt out
    • That would equate to 32 Amps @ 110V. About 1/6 the average US House is wired for. If the house was built prior to 1960, with GAS stoves, then that would be equal about equal to total electrical power available.

      For the US the standard is 15 Amps @ 110V shared over 6 Outlets and / or Lights. So a single room may have 4 duplex outlets (8 plug points) plus the lights on a single breaker.

      In the house I am in now... 6 overhead lights, 12 Vanity Lights, 4 power outlets (8 plug points) all on 15 amps. No wond
    • If I were in america, I'd probably consider using one of the 220 volt outlets found in the kitchen,

      Here in america, we use only one of those phases EVERYWHERE. it is extremely rare to find a 220 outlet anywhere except the washing room and never in a kitchen, except for an electric stove..and it's a 50-50 chance of having it there as most prefer cooking with gas and therefore use a gas stove and that 220 volt electrical outlet is not there.

      99% of the power used in an american home is the single phase 12
  • I shopped for a house with electricity in mind, and even then it was difficult. I had to get a house built in the mid eighties or later (true grounds, no aluminum wiring), and I wanted 150 amp or more service.

    Even then I ended up running additional circuits to the garage for tools and lights, basesmet for tools, network, and server. The upstairs room I picked for the desktops had randomly been assigned two different circuts for the wall outlets.

    I don't know what I'd do for power in a 10x15 dorm room, an
    • "The u's electricians seem to have a habit of reversing hot and neutral, and in my machine room a new outlet's ground to neutral was -50 VAC. So power strips wouldn't be enough, you'd need a multimeter as well. heh"

      There is no such thing as a Negative AC voltage. Current flows in both directions through the conductors in an AC circut. This is not saying that getting the hot & nuetral mixed is not a bad thing. I have seen some poorly constructed equipment where you may be able to contact what is suppose
  • I only had two double point outlets in my 9' X 12' room, and used two surge protected power strips to run everything (6 and 4 port).

    With this, I managed to run a stereo, clock radio, fish tank, desk lights, computer, TV, VCR, powered internal aerial and PlayStation, with sufficient flexibility to be able to run a fan and other various electrical items on the spare ports. This was a pretty standard load for the rooms in the college, although some people had some fairly fancy kit setups (like major tropical

    • wow, when i lived in a 9x12 room, i had a strip on each of the side walls with about 5 outlets each. that made it nice, but i still needed a couple power strips based on where my electronics were located. i lived there when they first opened up the dorm for students (it was an old overflow/guest housing place). if 2 people on the floor had microwaves going, the power died for the floor.

      when i lived in a larger room (a double, the first was a single), i had a similar setup with even more outlets on each
  • by G4from128k ( 686170 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @08:24AM (#7586875)
    Because most computer peripherals use either 5 VDC or 12 VDC, why not have a small array of 5V and 12V jacks in the back of PCs? That way, your peripherals can be powered by the PC and automatically turned off when you shut down your machine. This solution would let you dump a bunch of wall-warts and probably be more energy efficient too.
    • well.. usb kind of does this.

      -

    • You used to be able to get these, actually. I ran my 6V DC speakers off a jack in a free expansion slot for years... it was just a small PCB that connected to a molex inside the machine and had a transformer plus extra resistors/capacitors on it.

      The problem is, I guess, that because so many devices use different voltages, and draw different amounts of power, it might be difficult to provision for every possible device, and you might need a huge PSU. I am not sure whether a normal PSU would be able to supp
      • As another poster mentioned, USB and Firewire kind of do this, many peripherals (scanners, small disks) can now draw power from the computer, thus avoid both transformator and unnecessary cabling. I like the idea of the Apple's ADC connector, basically, it contains video, USB, and power. Thus, the LCD screen only needs one cable, acts as a hub and draws it power from the machine.

        I think the reason many components use different voltages is mainly because they can. I doubt that the fact that USB only provid

    • If you know what you're doing, some machines will do this... my server has a molex connector on the back of the power supply facing out to the world at large.
    • by Tau Zero ( 75868 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @09:41AM (#7587141) Journal
      Because most computer peripherals use either 5 VDC or 12 VDC, why not have a small array of 5V and 12V jacks in the back of PCs?
      To start with, what happens when you run out of jacks in the computer?
      This solution would let you dump a bunch of wall-warts and probably be more energy efficient too.
      Or possibly not. If you need something like 8 volts in a peripheral (to run a CD drive's motors, to give just one example) you couldn't get it easily from +5, so the most likely solution is to use a 3-terminal regulator to get it from +12. This throws away 33% of the power as heat. To get really efficient requires switching power supplies (which I think are great, but they are nowhere near as simple and cheap as a 3-terminal regulator).

      In practice you'd like a power bus fed by some big central PS that doesn't depend on the computer. This PS would provide for standby power to peripherals, like the ATX standard. Compliant peripherals would take a trickle of power from the bus during "sleep", and wake up (turn on their main power supply, reset and boot) on some electrical command. Some other command, or a sustained period of inactivity, would set them back to the sleep state.

      This is pretty much what many cars have today, using the Controller Area Network (CAN) bus. CAN modules "sleep", some with their RAM powered on and all with their comm chips running, on less than a milliamp. The speed is not up to computer specs (0.5 mbit/sec or so), but the techniques could easily be adapted to something like FireWire if the will existed or one manufacturer had the pull to create a de-facto standard. With something like this you could have a "power strip" like a laptop brick, putting out 12-14 VDC for a host of peripherals and maybe the computer as well. You might not get rid of all the wires (though a combined power/data bus could do that too), but you'd certainly get rid of all the wall-warts. It would make backup pretty trivial, too (just hook in a deep-cycle battery). Who wouldn't want that?

  • hardly matter at all(razor, cellular charger, usb hubs, switches). you just need those extra plugs so that you don't need to be switching back and worth which device is plugged in at a time, for conviences sake.

    i live in a 'cell' apartment(share the kitchen and wc with 2 other guys), and have around ~6 plugs around the room. 3 computers would go to them just fine, but switch, charger, tv, dreamcast, amplifier & etc take few sockets as well even if they don't pull all that much. none of them really take
  • I have similar problems when I host large LAN parties (IE, over 40 people at a hall). What I have found is that you can work everything out pretty well, and it will reduce problems. In Canada, the standard rating for an electrical circuit is a maximum of 10 amps. When you increase resistance in parallel, you increase the overall amperage. So, you have to watch how many computers you plug into a single circuit. It doesn't matter if it's a new SOCKET, you have to be certain that it's another CIRCUIT. In
  • In my dowm room I draw about 20A continuously, and no one notices. I have 8 power sockets (extended with UPS and 4 power strips).

    However in the old rooms, the infrastructure can only handle 5A per room, and the whole flat (6 people) only gets 25A. Someone turns on a hair dryer and everything trips off :o)
    • 20A? Continuously? What the hell are you doing?

      My university accommodation c.1993 had a 3A power supply (at 240V). All I needed to to do avoid tripping the circuit was to avoid switching both PC and monitor on at once (as in, flick the switches simultaneously: monitors take quite a lot of power as they start up, but then settle down to quite a low drain).

      Obviously we didn't plug in hairdriers or electric fires (hairdriers and vacuum cleaners got plugged into the 13A sockets in the hallway).

      If you're alwa
    • Holy shit. 20A at 240V? You're dissipating about 4800W of heat there. Does that 20A also include the current for an _air conditioner_ to keep the room cool?
  • I moved house a few years back, and the guy who built my current house definitely knew about the wisdom of never having too many outlets. Every single electrical outlet in the house is a double outlet, and each room has at least two of them. The kitchen, the lounge room and the game room have 3 each. They're very handy. We also have a gas outlet in each room, which we haven't used too much, but are also handy on the odd occasion we need one (useful for gas lamps during blackouts).

    The two complaints I have
    • by silentbozo ( 542534 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @08:57AM (#7586966) Journal
      If I had to build a house now, I would definitely recommend going overboard with the electricity, gas, aerial and cat 6 cabling.

      It's good advice. I regret not doing extra drops (cat 5e at the time) when remodeling. I have a minimum of 3 ports per room, and I find that I'm always running short. Coax for the television is even worse - the electrician who did that drop only did one drop per room. This is very inconvenient if you want to put the tv on the side of the room opposite the coax outlet.

      The most important thing if you're doing new construction is when doing the blueprints, design the house so that all of your water, cable, and electricity runs are accessible, and centralized. Residential contractors build so that you won't want to do maintainance - they staple wires in place, embed pipes in concrete, and do other things to discourage you from "upgrading" your house. Don't forget to put electrical, networking, and cable in cabinets (you'd be surprised how handy that can be - I wish I had done it), and give your garage/attic/basement a double-helping of everything, plus a main feeder big enough to supply another sub-panel/subnet worth of power/bandwidth. In this case, I told the idiot architect to give me a 80amp run to the attic (don't ask me why, just run it), but he ended up omitting it and not telling me.

      By coordinating all of your runs via a central location, and making sure that you can access it, you can leave room for future expansion. Better yet, locate all your networking equipment there also, and soundproof the sucker. I sort of have this arrangement now (centralized location), but all the runs are embedded in drywall :(

      Remember, if you hire a contractor, YOU MUST CHECK THE WORK. If you hire an architect/general contractor to implement things, YOU MUST CHECK THE WORK. This is year 3 of living in this house, and I'm still fixing electrical problems, correcting defects in cabinetry, patching walls and stucco, and replacing worn out plumbing. No, I didn't hire these guys, if I had, I would have kept a closer eye on em.
      • Don't forget to put electrical, networking, and cable in cabinets (you'd be surprised how handy that can be - I wish I had done it),

        By this I mean, if you build storage cabinets, put outlets and network jacks in them, in case you want to put in a microserver, or a ReplayTV/Tivo. Extra speaker wires are also nice, in case you want to hook speakers to a central MP3 player, connected to that power and network in your cabinet. Power outlets in cabinets are also handy for keeping battery rechargers out of s
  • Nope... I have way too few outlets in my apartment.

    I have one telephone outlet. In it, I have the ADSL, a phone and a wireless phone connected.

    I have no grounded electrical outlets. I had an electrical shock when plugging my S-VHS cable to the GFX card (without having the computer on, but having my speakers connected and turned on).

    I have four (2x2) electrical outlets. Two in the kitchen and two in the living room (both on the side opposite the computer). I have 10+ metres filled with cables for extra ou
  • Yup, I definitely pushed the limits... Thankfully they revamped the electrical system in the dorm I lived in before I moved in there. I'm one of the few people who actually took the time to map out the outlet-to-breaker-circuit mapping for the room. Hey, I had to make sure the refrigerator/microwave used a different circuit than my computers. Before I did that, I found that if I had all my monitors on (including one that was normally off), and my roommate microwaved something, the breaker tripped.

    Of co
  • by Feren ( 97175 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @08:36AM (#7586912)
    ...but hopefully the colleges are putting a little thought into their designs for the dorms. While it's true that outlets are usually in short supply, you can still be up an electrical creek without a paddle if all the outlets are on the same (underpowered) circuit.

    A lot of apartments suffer from this problem as well no matter what their age... I have lived in an apartment that was over 20 years old, and it had a total of three ten-amp circuits for the entire place (not counting the circuits for the appliances which are pretty much dedicated). This was not exactly optimal for supporting five PCs and their peripherals along with a SUN Ultra 450. I've lived in newer (5 years old or so) apartments that had the exact same problem.

    It's my opinion that the best thing you can do is go to Radio Shack and invest in one of those Circuit Detectives [radioshack.com]. Use that to determine what outlets correspond to which breaker, and how much power you have through that breaker (the ratings are printed on their for your sanity). Once you have that figured out you can begin learning the fine art of load-balancing on your outlets. "Let's see, I have 2 amps for my PS2 here on circuit A, and 3 amps for my TV on circuit B, and 2 amps for my PC on circuit A...."
    • Heh. My apartment has two 25-amp circuits -- appliances included.

      My three computers are on the same circuit as the fridge, microwave, toaster and popcorn popper. If we run any three (or sometimes even two) of these appliances at the same time, the fuse blows.

      Blown fuses are especially common during the summer, when I have to add on an air conditioner.


  • Please post any links you have to reasonably priced plug strips. (They are also called power strips [google.com].) I don't see why 12 outlets should cost about 2 dollars [google.com] per outlet.

    Note that a plug strip [tripplite.com] should have the outlet orientation [tripplite.com] that allows plugging in three outlet adapters [allelectronics.com] without the adapter outlets interfering with each other.
  • I blew a power circuit in my dorm room last week. Took out all the plugs on the left side, which I then learned were connected to each other. Also learned that my primary UPS is a bit slow to switchover..

    At the time: Computer, laptop, 19 and 17 inch tubes, klipsh speakers, 200watt-second studio strobe, slave light, and rice cooker.

    What's to be done? I ran an extension cable from the other side of the room. A few days later, they reset the breaker and everything worked again.

    I am sooooooo clever.
  • I thought of this issue the first time I heard:

    "... the race of Men, who above all else desire power."

    -- Prologue, The Fellowship of the Ring film version

  • DIY is the only way to fly.

    My apartment was an outbuilding with no cable TV and all underground wiring.

    So, I bought a 100 foot fish tape and a roll of RG6qs. I was able to pull cable and ethernet thru 1 inch wide conduit under the parking lot to the basement of the main house.

    Got my cable modem, and used the ethernet to share the Internet service back to the main building. The 4 tenants paid for my service.

    Lived there for 5 years before I bought my castle.

    Other projects included installing cable, phone
  • 4 devices on the 1 plug plus cable tidy round the cables going to one set of devices, i.e. computer base and monitor.

    http://www.standsunique.com/accessories.html

  • Hey, it should be everyone's right to have a file server, workstation computer or three, television, dvd player, vcr, and don't forget that 30,000 watt stereo system, all runnin' 24-7! That's what we're paying the college for, right? I mean, if they can't handle the drain on their grid, that ain't my fault, cause I already them what they asked for, and that includes the electric bill, gosh darn it!
  • Porn still comes in paper form, you know.

    Zing!
  • I ask the landlord for permission. I pull all the cable i need. I subtract cost from rent.
  • Scale back... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by supabeast! ( 84658 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @09:58AM (#7587211)
    I used to have a room full of computers. My apartment could handle it, at least after I ran CAT 5 along the walls to each of the desks, but after a while it all just got sort of silly, and I decided to start cutting back on the computer lab that was my life.

    First, when a previous employer laid me off, I gave their extra computers that I had been storing (Really, we were storing equipment because the company couldn't afford storage space.) back. When I showed up with the stuff they all thought that I was nuts.

    Then, I stopped doing contract work on weekends. Now I don't ever have tables covered with Sun systems laying around.

    After that, I got sick of dealing with hard disk issues on the Ultra-60 I never used and sold it.

    When my college-student sisters desktop started croaking, I gave her my old 700mhz Athlon machine.

    After I finally gave up on trying to keep driver and Direct X versions compatible with my games, I stopped using my Windows box for anything but the occasional blackboad.com login, so it sits cold all day.

    Most recently, a storm finally wiped out my poor little firewall, after four years of R2D2-like service, and I haven't fixed or replaced her yet.

    So now I'm down to just using my iBook most of the time. Makes life nice and simple, and honestly, I don't really mind the silence that comes with all of those other computers being turned OFF.
  • When I built the house I am in now, I wired the hell out of it. Every room has 3 CAT5 drops and an RG-6 (coax) drop. My office has 6 CAT5 and 2 RG-6 (because at the time I had cable modem service, now I have DSL). Even my kitchen and dining room are wired with CAT5 drops (just in case). All of this wiring runs back to a central patch panel in the garage.

    So am I set? Not really. It's funny how when you build a house, you think you know how you are going to use each room. Then you move in and change
  • There are quite a few people here saying that they don't have enough outlets to run all of their "stuff". While this is a valid point, I think maybe that there is another problem here: too much luxury. I'm not going to say that people don't have a right to their electricity, or that they can't run gadget A, or appliance B. I just think that, if when you take a look at all the things you have, you probably don't really need all of it. Now I'm speaking with regards to dorm-rooms here, not so much apartment b
  • by morcheeba ( 260908 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @10:06AM (#7587265) Journal
    You can double the amount of power that you can use in your room by simply switching to 220 volts. It doesn't require a transformer to do this; just wire your outlets the same way a 220v dryer is wired.

    A friend had a dorm mate that had brought a 220v stereo from overseas... they found that half the room was on one 110v circuit and that the other half was on another. So, they connected the stereo to the "hot"s of each circuit, and they had 220 volts total. Or something close enough.

    Ok, it's not to code at all and is dangerous because some appliances (like lamps and toasters) will have electrified enclosures. But, it would work as long as no appliances touched each other, you, your dog, or a real ground.
  • "It looks like Circuit City in some of those rooms," said Dan Bertsos, director of residence services at Wright State University near Dayton, Ohio.

    And also:

    They power a color TV, stereo, compact disc and DVD players, video game player, desktop computer and laptop, printer, scanner, refrigerator, microwave and two fans. Then there are rechargers for a cell phone, hand-held computer, camera, electric razor and toothbrush.

    Yeah, but I bet Dan has all of these things at home too. Most of these new appli

  • In the dorms, they provide us with one ethernet port, one telephone, and three electrical sockets per student. Enough, in my opinion. But they don't let us plug in more than one computer into the network.
  • I doubt there's been a sudden surge in student usage of toasters, kettles, electric heaters or other appliances drawing a large amount of power. All the electonic devices that have recently become popular are low-voltage - 12V or less. So why is the answer to put in more high-voltage AC outlets, requiring a trained electrician? It would make more sense to run a 12V or 5V power supply within the building, if there were some way to connect devices to it.
  • The dorm I was in during college was built in the 50s, but did have a 4-plug outlet on 3 of the 4 walls. With a few powerstrips it was enough.

    My apartment also has (nearly) enough outlets. Our major complaint is that it is a 2 bedroom and 1 bedroom has a TV outlet (used for cable modem and mythtv [mythtv.org]). The other room has a phone outlet.

  • I had a situation at my school last year where our power kept going off because our circut was overloading and the breaker would go off. We learned how to reset it from the box that was down the hall, but it was really annoying that it kept going off. What was stranger was it never had this problem before, so finally we had the maintence department of the school come up and check it out and I learned a bit about how much power devices consume.

    Our room was one of 3 doubles set up on the same circut. We w
  • by chunkwhite86 ( 593696 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @11:00AM (#7587513)
    Just daisy chain like fifteen surge strips together. You end up with tons of usable outlets. Use extension cords + more power strips to get juice to other parts of the room.

    Hint: Hide all of this under a pile of clothes or under your bed so the fire inspector doesn't see it.
  • by joe170 ( 154147 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @11:46AM (#7587741)
    When I was living in a dorm, the substandard wiring had a hidden benefit. Every room and half shared a circuit- I was in a "half" room- one wall shared the circuit with the entire room next door, and the other wall shared with the room on that side. This gave me final veto authority over either of my neighbors' (usually poor) choice of music. I had a cut of lamp cord with the wires twisted together inside a big ball of electrical tape. Plug it in, it shuts off your neighbor's stereo (and everything else!). One semester I had a neighbor who liked to blast "Freebird" every afternoon. After the sixth or seventh time I used my "remote", he was out in the hallway swearing about the lousy dorms. A girl walking by innocently suggested that maybe his stereo was blowing the fuse. She didn't know how right she was!
  • Just do the math (Score:5, Informative)

    by darco ( 514434 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @12:34PM (#7587948) Homepage Journal
    Just do some simple math and you can avoid overloading a circuit.

    1) Determine the rating of the circuit -- I imagine each dorm room will have one circuit. (Maybe two)
    2) Determine which outlets go to which circuits. If outlets are close together, then they are probably on the same circuit.
    3) Calculate the amps of everything you are plugging into the circuit.
    4) Add them all up.
    5) If they are close to or over the amp rating for the circuit, then you have a problem, and you will have to unplug stuff.

    Important points to remember:

    * Don't forget to check the rating on any power strips that you use! Most are rated at 15 amps, which is probably the same as the circuit you are plugging into.
    * Circuit breakers can momentarily handle more than their rated amps. ie: it might be able to handle 17 amps for, say, 30 seconds before tripping. The higher the amps, the faster the trip. A direct short will (er, should) instantly trip the breaker.
    * Not everything has the amps listed -- some devices only list the watts. You can calculate the amps by dividing the watts by the voltage. ie: your 400 watt computer running on 120 volts will have a max amps of 3.33.
    * If you are in a situation where you have two circuits near your computer, and you overload one, keep this in mind: It is generally a Bad Idea to plug some peripherals into one outlet and others into another. Subtle differences in voltage and phase can lead to a net difference in voltage between your equipment and lead to permanent damage.
    * This may be unfounded (someone correct me if I am wrong), but I always think that it is more dangerous to overload a power-strip than an outlet--meaning that I trust the circuit breaker in the closet more so than I trust the power strip.

    I hope this helps. If you read this and go kill yourself, it's your own damn fault. Use at your own risk. Use common sense, and remember that this IS slashdot.

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