Intel: Metal in Future Chips = Less Leakage (updated) 240
securitas writes "Intel is contemplating using metal instead of silicon in future chips for the 'transistor gate, which controls whether a transistor is on or off' and the 'dielectric, an insulating layer below the gate,' which are respectively made of silicon atoms and silicon dioxide. 'Millions of minuscule switches that make up silicon chips leak electricity when they're supposed to be shut off. To compensate, engineers have increased the current, driving up power consumption, decreasing battery life for portable devices and generating more heat.' AMD has also experimented with metal instead of silicon. By moving to metal AMD and Intel expect to reduce electricity leakage. More from AP via SeattlePI and the Miami Herald." Update: 11/05 15:25 GMT by T : Read on below for some information from Intel on why this is a good thing.
gManZboy writes "Following up on the Intel news that about using metal in chips -- here's an explanation from Shekhar Borkar (Intel Research Fellow) about why heat, power, and sub-threshold leakage, not transistor size, are the real challenges to Moore's law. Apparently, in order to make chips much faster, we're going to have to pump more electricity in then anything else in our houses -- and they'll soon be as hot as a nuclear reactor -- no, really."
Which metal? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Which metal? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Which metal? (Score:2, Interesting)
Basically, they are saying that they have found two new materials with a high k dielectric that reduces current leakage by more than a 100 times silicon dioxide and hopefully plan to use it by 2007 in production. They also have tested the materials and had excellent results in a lab environment. Still, they are being vague on the details, and who c
Re:Which metal? (Score:5, Informative)
Actually, two types of metal are probably needed. One for nmos transistors and another for pmos transistors. Nmos and pmos transistors have different threshold voltages (the voltage at which the device turns on), but ideally you would like both types of transistors to switch at the same voltage. The threshold voltage of a device can be shifted by modifying the "workfunction" of the gate metal. The workfunction is the energy required to remove an electron from the metal surface.
One reason polysilicon gates are used in conventional CMOS is that the workfunction of polysilicon can be modified by changing the level of doping and the type of dopant material (usually B, P or As). Thus, polysilicon gates can be used for both nmos and pmos transistors and by varying the doping, both types of devices can have the same threshold voltage.
Shifting the workfunctions of metals, using dopants is not so straightforward. As a result it will probably be necessary to use two different metals having different workfunctions for nmos and pmos transistors. Further complicating matters is the fact that the gate metal can interact with the dielectric material, modifying the effective workfunction and thus the threshold voltage. So, while the isolated metal may have the necessary workfunction, the workfunction may shift when the metal is part of a device. Thus, a lot of testing and experimentation is needed to find a metal that has the proper workfunction after it has been put into a device.
Re:Which metal? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Which metal? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Which metal? (Score:2)
Heh (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Heh (Score:2)
From Intel's site... (Score:5, Informative)
The history of Moore's Law. [intel.com]
Or if you are interested in Moore's original paper, you can find it here [intel.com].
Moore's Law is NOT a Law (Score:3, Insightful)
Moore's Law is only an empircal observation -- a convenient curve that fits through the our current data on time and transistor count. There are no gaurantees that this trend will hold for the future.
The point is that no physical phenomena forces the doubling. At best, one could say that mental and procedural limits preve
Re:Moore's Law is NOT a Law (Score:3, Insightful)
Moore's Law or self-fulfilling prophecy? (Score:3, Interesting)
Interesting insight. I wonder if there is an accidental collusion among semiconductor companies to limit their progress to Moore's observed trend? It seems suspicious to me that the trend should continue for so long without an obvious physical cause. In my orginal post, I suggested that mental and procedural limits kept companies for doubling faster than Moore's Law -- people just don't seem to create magic
Re:Heh (Score:3, Insightful)
This makes sense, even from the view point on increasing density and complexity of data alone being packed into smaller and smaller containers. Even if you only allocated 1 electron per bit, after a while all of those bits start to add up. Unless you go to another system.
As an example, people often cite the human
Metal Implants? (Score:5, Funny)
Copper? (Score:2, Insightful)
Is this just a question of Intel playing catch-up?
Re:Copper? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Copper? (Score:4, Informative)
Not true at all. The copper in IBM's process is for interconnects, not traces. I'm not sure what metal they use for the traces, but it's probably aluminum and definitely not copper. The connection between layers (interconnect) are copper plugs.
The metal intel is talking about is strictly for the gate terminal connection of the transistor. The transistor is still doped silicon or gallium arsenide or whatever semiconductor they are using.
Re:Copper? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Copper? (Score:2)
They call it Low-K Dielectric (Score:3, Informative)
Re:They call it Low-K Dielectric (Score:3, Informative)
Silicon? Leakage? (Score:2, Funny)
Metal dielectric!? (Score:5, Funny)
I love this site sometimes - where else can you post completely clueless questions and be virtually guaranteed to get an intelligent response from at least two people with PhDs in semiconductor physics?
Re:Metal dielectric!? (Score:2)
Included in this great package are at least a dozen unintelligent responses coming from people who think they have PHD's in BS.
Re:Metal dielectric!? (Score:2)
What you meant to say was that you're virtually guaranteed to get a clueless response from at least two people claiming to have a PhD in semiconductor physics.
Re:Metal dielectric!? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Metal dielectric!? (Score:3, Funny)
Perhaps they are using some kind of unobtanium alloy with phlogiston repelant properties
Re:Metal dielectric!? (Score:2)
The dielectric isn't metal, it's something else.
Re:Metal dielectric!? (Score:2)
The dielectric isn't metal, it's something else
<astrophysicist>So, it's He?</astrophysicist>
Re:Metal dielectric!? (Score:2, Interesting)
Pure tantalum on the other hand, is a great conductor.
Re:Metal dielectric!? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Metal dielectric!? (Score:2)
Definitely slashdot appropriate material.
You know you're reading too much Slashdot... (Score:2)
Re:Metal dielectric!? (Score:3, Informative)
One reason for replacing polysilicon with a metal is that the HfO2 layer is not compatible with the polysilicon deposition process. Defects form in the HfO2 layer during the polysilicon deposition step. Another reason for replacing poly with a metal is to avoid poly depletion effects. Essentia
Re:Metal dielectric!? (Score:5, Informative)
They mean metal oxides. Leading candidates are Halfnia and Zirconia. These are "High-K dielectrics".
Using both reduces the Effective Oxide Thickness (EOT) of the gate dielectric. For the same thickness material, high-k dielectrics look like a thinner amount of silicon dioxide. Metal gates eliminate depletion effects in the gate (poly-depletion), which also makes the oxide look thinner.
With lower EOT, the gate has better control of the channel, so leakage goes down.
Re:Metal dielectric!? (Score:2)
Like many subjects, if you are basing your knowledge on what you find in main stream text books then you are going to be missing a lot. T
Re:Metal dielectric!? (Score:2)
Re:Metal dielectric!? (Score:2)
For this reason you add barrier metals between Cu & Si, or barrier dielectric jackets between Cu and Hi-/Lo-K, or Poly-Si and Hi-/Lo-K. These are often are we
Re:Metal dielectric!? (Score:2)
Time for change... (Score:5, Funny)
Now, instead of "experiment in silico", it would be "in metal" (??) or "in Fe|Au|Cu"
Re:Time for change... (Score:2)
On the other hand. I'd definitely go there to see shows.
What about... (Score:5, Interesting)
I thought that the manufacture of diamonds was set, and only needed to step up its production. Gemesis [gemesis.com] has been making, for less than $100, gems that would be worth hundreds of thousands if naturally mined.
The most promising thing about these diamonds is that, being cheap, they open the door for cpu cooling. Diamonds are tolerant of exponentially higher temperatures than silicon, so why aren't we hearing about intel, amd, motorola, ibm, TI, and sgi taking advantage of this new technology.
Metal? What about metal is unprecedented? What about it has kept us from using it before? Diamonds are the future, not metal.
Re:What about... (Score:4, Insightful)
You see, diamonds are seriously overpriced luxury items. Although it is possible to manufacture cheap diamonds that are indistinguishable from the natural ones, it has never been done. Why? It would ruin the entire business model of De Beers & co. which is based on artificial scarcity. That's why they'd fight such projects to the bitter end.
Re:What about... (Score:2, Informative)
Just checking, because it souded like these people were hoping to do just what you mentioned as being heavily fought. And so far, they haven't been killed as far as I know.
I, for one, welcome the death of our diamond-scarcity-based overlords.
Re:What about... (Score:2)
Yet. Even if they aren't physically killed, the cost of defending all the various lawsuits and/or lobbying for legislation by De Beers may just kill the companies.
Re:What about... (Score:2)
I just love military people. You get the most flavorful language out of them, as well as amusement:
So, for now, Clarke is sticking with cultured. But in the end, he insists, it won't really matter. "If you give a woman a choice between a 2-carat stone and a 1-carat stone and everything else is the same, including the price, what's she gonna choose?" he demands. "Does she care if it's synthetic or not? Is anybody at a party going to walk up to her and ask, 'Is that synthetic?' There's no way in hell. So I
Re:What about... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:What about... (Score:2, Informative)
Electrical grade silicon (EGS) has a long purification process that it must go through to be of sufficient quality to make chips from. To give an example, there are roughly Avogadro's number of silicon atoms in one cubic centimeter of silicon (5.5x10^22 atoms / cc). After being purified, the MAXIMUM impurity
The Apollo process, not Gemma (Score:3, Interesting)
1. Place diamond wafers on pedestal. Depressurize chamber to one-tenth of an atmosphere.
2. Inject hydrogen, natural gas (CH4) into chamber. Heat with microwave beam. At 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit, electrons separate from nuclei, forming plasma.
3. Let it rain. Freed carbon precipitates out of plasma cloud and is deposited on wafer seeds.
4. Let it grow. Wafer seeds gradually become diamond minibricks, building up at half a millimeter a day.
5. Open chamber and re
Re:The Apollo process, not Gemma (Score:2)
In the end, diamonds may be great, but if they remain more expensive than silicon or metal-oxide, they aren't necessarily the best choice.
nevertheless, when they do hit (and i personally believe they will) intel will certainly buy into the field.
After all, they're more a development shop than a pure research shop. They almost certainly won't be the first to use diamonds in chips, but you can bet they'll be one of th
Do I smell profit to be made? (Score:2)
What's to stop me from buying a bunch, setting them, and selling them to jewellers who deal in used and reaping one hell of a profit?
Re:Do I smell profit to be made? (Score:2)
The tough part is convincing brides-to-be to accept only the deBeers ma
Re:Do I smell profit to be made? (Score:2)
Exactly, which is why I added "doesn't expect a ring" to my dating criteria.
Limits my choices severely, but it's amazing how much less shallow people are when they don't equate money == love. I'm certainly happier, and the extra dough is fun for a nice trip for 2 somewhere private
Clueless, thy name is reporter (Score:5, Informative)
The chemistry of the non-silica gate dielectric requires that the gate itself be non-silicon, and metals are better conductors anyway. (For larger transistors, we're already running into trouble from the distributed resistance of the gates.)
Hope that helps.
Long Run 2 (Score:2)
Re:Long Run 2 (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Long Run 2 (Score:2)
Multi processing versus single fast CPU (Score:2)
but the point is that ratio is actually quite large. via's 7 watt chip is 2 to 3 times slower than intels 300 watt chips. which is about an order of magnitude. Moreover the transmeta designs have s
Isn't this old news? (Score:4, Funny)
But switching to metal? Man, I'd hate to walk outside on a cold Montana morning in February with those.
What's that? Silicone? They're not the same? Never mind. Carry on. Sorry.
So you're telling me SOI is NOT a busty gal in an angora sweater?
Hadn't IBM already done this (Score:5, Interesting)
Interesting how IBM has discovered that moving to metal for processors and away from metal for hard drives. (Newest Hitachi/IBM notebook drives use Pixie dust which is actually glass. The platters in these hard drives are also ferro impregnated glass platters)
Re:Hadn't IBM already done this (Score:3, Interesting)
all existing technologies in production (AFAIK) use poly gates as it survives the anneal and etching steps which copper and aluminum could never do in current configurations
Re:Hadn't IBM already done this (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Hadn't IBM already done this (Score:3, Interesting)
Except of course for the same chip (the 750FX) at, say, 600MHz, or less. The G3 is seriously bandwidth-starved in most configurations I've seen (it supports a 200MHz FSB, but I've never seen it used with more than 167); scaling down the clock-speed gives sub-linear decrease in performance, linear (well, close enough; moreso than for most non-arm chips) decrease in heat and power consumption.
Don't get me wrong, the 750FX is, in my opinion, the n
Re:Hadn't IBM already done this (Score:2)
Intel has been using copper interconnects since Pentium III "Coppermine"; AMD since Athlon XP "Palomino". AMD is currently (AFAIK) the only company producing CPUs using a SOI process.
Check your facts! (Score:2, Informative)
The code name Coppermine had NO relationship with the metal used inside the chip. It was still an Al-on-Si chip, just like Katmai. Tualatin (last P-III core) and Northwood (second P4 core) were the first x86 Cu-on-Si chips from Intel (targeting Mobile/Server and Mainstream markets, respectively).
Additionally, AMD was making Cu-on-Si chips back at the Thunderbird (first "L2 cache on core" Athlon) debut. All cores that came from Fab 30 in Dresden were Cu-on-Si while all cores from Fab 25 in Autin were Al-
Re:Hadn't IBM already done this (Score:3, Informative)
Intel is actually talking about replacing the gate dielectric (which is silicon dioxide currently, even at IBM) with a metal or metal oxide, which has a higher dielectric constant. Higher dielectric constants mean a more effective gate for the same
*Switching* to metal? (Score:2)
Re:*Switching* to metal? (Score:4, Informative)
No. The bonds between silicon atoms are covalent. A metal (e.g. copper) has a "cloud" of electrons free to move around in the lattice. Silicon is a semiconductor, with the charges bound to the atoms except when there's enough energy (typically thermal) to kick them loose.
Re:*Switching* to metal? (Score:2)
Gee, moving back to metal gate fabrication? (Score:4, Insightful)
My course in VLSI design was many, many years in the past, but what I do remember is that early integrated circuits used metal gates in the fabrication process. That process was later abandoned in favor of polysilicon because poly was much easier to work with at smaller feature sizes (I'm a bit foggy on this one). Gee, so now we're going back to metal gate processes, and we'll have real metal-oxide-semiconductor field effect transistors again?
If this is becoming easier to do at deep submicron level, I suppose processes for making deep submicron feature-sized Gallium-Arsenide MESFET's also got easier? Now wouldn't we just love to have such GaAs chips on our desktops... (I do know I'm forgetting another difficulty in working with GaAs, anyone care to remind me why GaAs is not as common as silicon today?)
Re:Gee, moving back to metal gate fabrication? (Score:3, Informative)
Silicon gates can be self-aligning. Once you've got gate oxide, deposit a layer of polysilicon and pattern it, then use the remaining poly as a mask for the gates while the rest of the oxide is removed.
I do know I'm forgetting another difficulty in working with GaAs, anyone care to remind me why GaAs is not as common as silicon today?
There are several.
GaAs is the next big thing! (Score:2)
The metal is Nickel... for AMD at least (Score:2)
So it's all a bit over my head, nickel cert [ndt-ed.org]
Re:The metal is Nickel... for AMD at least (Score:2)
Re:The metal is Nickel... for AMD at least (Score:2, Informative)
As for the phonon question: in crystals the quantum of atomic motion is called a phonon. Elec
Re:The metal is Nickel... for AMD at least (Score:2)
99% of all conduction in semiconductors is "phonon"-mediated/impeded. Metals conduct through a different mechanism. I doubt metal gates significantly affect semiconductor conduction through phonon modulation, especially since there is no direct cont
Some explanations and thoughts (Score:3, Funny)
Wait, that only works on the law forums. Darn.
Heat=power (Score:3, Interesting)
One day, your computer may be the ONLY thing in your house connected to the outside mains supply!
TWW
Re:Heat=power (Score:2)
This is nitpicking. The chip vs nuclear reactor heat example came up by extrapolating how todays CPU's use power, and by assuming that we would use similar ways to achieve better performance in future CPU. You can extrapolate this as long as you want. Since the power grows exponentially, soon enough you will have a sun or a su
Hmm... (Score:2)
Could Using Metal Result in Cheaper Chips? (Score:2)
myke
Re:Could Using Metal Result in Cheaper Chips? (Score:2)
No.
What the article was speaking of was using a metal as insulator. Since this doesn't make any sense at all, what they probably meant is a metal-oxide. You don't want an insulator as interconnect, because it doesn't interconnect.
The problem with metal (Score:2)
The Amiga did it right. (Score:2)
Re:The Amiga did it right. (Score:2)
Re:Alien Technology? (Score:3, Funny)
They just caught a new flying saucer.
Re:Alien Technology? (Score:3, Insightful)
The same way we've always been saying it [slashdot.org] -- emphatically
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Re:Still Binary... (Score:2)
Re:Still Binary... (Score:2)
Think about computers in their "elder days". They were useless for desktops too.
So I certainly won't see HalfLife 5 on one, but 8... why not? It's just matter of hardware, combining it with current technology (think "hybrid computers", where most of the stuff is done "binary way" but computations that would take hours on P4 are solved within time of, say, 8 "classic CPU cycles" (of which most would be uploading and downloading input and output a
Re:say what? (Score:5, Informative)
Over the years, there have been many attempts to use techniques such as VLIW, which sound great on paper, but don't do well in practice. What have worked the best, at least through the 90s, are architectures that do a lot of simple things fast.
You can make VLIW fast, Intel has managed that, but at great cost in both silicon and software.
Be careful when making generalizations about a processor line such as the P4 - there have been quite a few P4 generations, each better than the last. Latencies have gone down.
I think that parallelism (eg. HyperThreading, multicore, etc.) is where the real-world performance gains will come from. Single-threaded benchmarks don't accurately reflect realistic workloads.
Can you say "Intel 432" debacle? (Score:2)
(I worked at Intel at the time and still have a complete manual set for the 432!).
Re:say what? (Score:3, Informative)
VLIW seems to have worked out reasonably well in specialized niches -- TI's DSP chips and media processors by Equator Technologies [equator.com] are examples. I know that Equator has been working on their proprietary compiler technology for on the order of 15 years, so your comment about compiler technology is pretty much on target -- the people who seem to have at least some of the answers are holding them rather tightly. And of cours
Re:say what? (Score:3, Insightful)
And yet it's still faster than virtually any other processor on the planet. Intel has come a long way from when it was being spanked by MIPS/Sun/etc. You can make an argument for Alpha, but that's about it.
a non-x86 core
The P3, P4, and Athlon cores aren't x86. They have a wrapper layer that translates x86 instructions into their own internal core instructions, but that's it. And, frankly, a more "ef
One day replacement? (Score:2)
This certainly isn't a scenario I would picture with MS behind the wheel,
Re:say what? (Score:2)
Because the CPU has more information than the compiler does - i.e., the Halting problem.
The best example that one could give would be interrupt handlers: how could a compiler ever know when an Ethernet interrupt is going to happen? It can't. Nor can it know the code ex
Re:So what they're saying is... (Score:3)
Re:Already been done... (Score:2)
Obviously, the TX was a refinement of and an improvement on the T-1000 and its "gloopy metal" construction. But aside from mentioning that the T-1000 used a decentralized computing architecture, they never got down to specifying where inside all that gloop the computation was taking place...I guess we were supposed to believe that every molecule of t
Re:Already been done... (Score:2)
In fact, the power needed to run the T-1000's computations pales in comparison with the energy required to move all of that metal around. I can think of two ways to get that much power:
1) "Eat" organic matter you find in the environment and metabolize it to produce e
No help for pacemakers (Score:2)
Most pacemaker patients don't need the PM 24/7. Even if it was affected, most would have time to get treated. Some would likely die, but not everyone with a pacemaker would drop d