Wired: Sony Prototyping Personal Video Player 150
Cinematique writes "Wired is running an article about Apple beating Sony in the personal music player fight. The author suggest that Sony should skip its planned answer to the iPod and focus instead on a portable video player. But there's a catch: the legality of the content such video players would use."
Oh, great! (Score:1)
Finally, something that I can watch movies on during those long, boring rides in the car, or on the plane, or during class when I should be taking notes!
This is truly the end all of my personal video needs.
If only there was some device like this already on the market, one that I could play games on and send email and program on, too.
Oh well. I'll have to stick to my TV for watching things and this wonderful little LapTop for the rest.
Re:Oh, great! (Score:2)
You mean like a laptop?
An unstated requirement of miniaturization (Score:1)
You mean like a laptop?
There is an unstated yet understood requirement in the discussion of battery-powered media devices other than notebook or tablet PCs. The constraint is that the device should be designed to let the owner stuff the device in his pants pocket. Anything bigger than the original green-screen Game Boy won't do.
Re:An unstated requirement of miniaturization (Score:2)
Re:Oh, great! (Score:2)
You must have really big pockets.
Re:Oh, great! (Score:2)
Re:Oh, great! (Score:2)
I didn't rtfa because wired sucks - their headlines are good and their stories are fluff, though at least it's not in four fruity neon colors per month any more - but if the article is about the psp then it's retarded, they're already doing it and there's money to be made in the short term on an mp3 play
Legality of content? (Score:4, Interesting)
First, if you own a DVD, you should be able to "rip" it to one of these players as fair use. This would probably often be a useful feature.
Even cooler would be if the future of DVRs would be to download content to such players, just like a computer to an IPOD. Being able to "TiVo" shows and watch them whenever you want would be quite a nice feature.
Is there any "copyright" issues with using TV shows like this? How could it be any different from using a DVR in the first place.
Short update (Score:1)
If someone could post a good link to a discussion of this legality, I'd be very appreciative. Also, I still think this would be a great device if just
Re:Legality of content? (Score:1)
Re:Legality of content? (Score:2)
The problem is that this might cause yet more internal issues in a company such as Sony, one division makes movies and another makes hardware to play them.
Re:Legality of content? (Score:3, Insightful)
Under the DMCA, that would be illegial.
That would be legal, only if you are MOVING the files, and not COPYING them. Technically it's a small difference, but legally it is major.
Re:Legality of content? (Score:2)
That would be legal, only if you are MOVING the files, and not COPYING them. Technically it's a small difference, but legally it is major.
So as long as I have them, noone else can watch them on TV?
Re:Legality of content? (Score:1)
the device's saving grace i'd imagine would be TV rips, i could see Sony adding support for the proposed device in their
Re:Legality of content? (Score:2)
Most TV broadcasters consider taping their shows to be an infringing use because you can skip commercials. They also consider showshifting to be an infringing use (if you've seen TimeWarner's TV commercials for their DVR, have you noticed that they carefully avoid mentioning that you can fastforward through commercials?)
Unfortunately, copying a show from the device you recorde
Yah, why did anybody make an iPod anyways (Score:1)
Yes, a laptop is a viable use for this, same with music. A more portable, specialized device probably also has a market, especially if content provider services are rolled out with it.
video vs audio (Score:2)
I've always thought of video [tivo.com] and audio [slimdevices.com] as two completely different classes of product. Sure, the people who buy one buy the other, but CE companies always seem to ignore the fact that we actually use music completely differently from audio. The technology may be similar, but to assume that adding video to an ipod will make a better product just because it does more is quite ridiculous.
Re:video vs audio (Score:1)
HUH? (Score:1)
That was never a 'catch' when it came to the iPod.
iTMS? (Score:1)
More interestingly, would be if Sony took the same approach. An online store where I could download quality video content, especially TV shows, for a reasonable price would be interesting indeed.
Re:iTMS? (Score:1)
iTMS was released over a year after the first iPod and even then only for mac users (about 5% of computer owners, don't know what precentage of iPod users but I would be shocked if it was above 25% seeing as even when iPod was only supported/only included software for macs 3rd party programs such as xplay allowed people to use iPods with other OSes). I would hardly call this a similtai
even the shift key is a dmca violation1 (Score:1)
Audio CDs are not protected, it is legal to transfer them to other media. Technically, it is illegal to rip a DVD
there is no difference. did you know that the shift key is now a banned circumvention tool [slashdot.org] and anybody caught pointing to it will be found in violation of the dmca/
Re: (Score:1)
What I want (Score:2)
Re:What I want (Score:1)
2 thoughts (Score:2)
a suggestion (Score:2)
Re:What I want (Score:2)
Here's a contender (Score:2)
It's not not cheap. But the quality of the screen and audio and video playback is excellent.
drm? (Score:1)
Re:drm? (Score:1)
don't worry, it won't happen unless Sony is owned by Gates, which will never happen.
Re:drm? (Score:1)
narkotix, step up and receive your certificate of redundancy certificate
Re:drm? (Score:1)
iPod rumors (Score:3, Informative)
Very interesting (Score:1)
Re:Very interesting (Score:2)
Re:Very interesting (Score:2)
also, they have already proven that selling music online works.10 million songs enough for you? (selling those 10 million to the 5% of the market that has a mac and an ipod)
wait till the 16th when the windows version...
once again, apple will show the rest of the industry how to innovate...
Re:Very interesting (Score:2)
Hmm...when I backup my DVDs I usually use a 352x288 MPEG-2 Video Stream with 1500 kbps (variable bitrate) and a 128 kbps MPEG-1 Audio Layer 2 (mp2) audio stream. This gives me pretty good quality and it allows me to put ~3 movies on a DVD, usually with place to spare. Each 90 minute movie has around 1.2 GB that way. So with 20 GB that gets me 25 hours of viewtime in pretty good quality on my TV. If you chose to only watch you
Re:iPod rumors (Score:1)
cheers- raga
Skipping iPod clone is a poor idea (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm not reading the article - I've given up on wired entirely - but that doesn't matter. There will necessarily be a gulf in price between a device which plays mp3s, and a device which plays video. The needs for storage, a fancy display, and additional processing (either in the form of a dedicated video decompressing engine in hardware, or a generally more powerful CPU) pretty much guarantee that a video player is going to cost more money.
Meanwhile Apple is taking pretty much all the money for a large-capacity portable mp3 player, and Sony would like a bite of it for obvious reasons. They own all the technologies they'll need to implement it, so they need not license anything to do so - the only costs are for development and production. Sony is known to be able to churn out hardware at very low costs, so this should be a doddle for them.
Let's also not forget that Sony is bringing out their new somewhat-PS2-based handheld, the PSP, in the not so far future. Since they already have a handheld video player coming, they might as well toss off the mp3 player right now, and work on video later.
Re:Skipping iPod clone is a poor idea (Score:1)
Just MHO, but I think Sony wouldn't bother on this market because they already have products that kind of fill that niche - Network Walkmans and MiniDiscs.
Granted, the iPod offers much more than those (more memory and flexibility), but most people use it just to hear music anyway.
Then again, while I'm very content with my MiniDisc for audio purposes, an iPod would be very nice for his hacking flexibility...
Re:Skipping iPod clone is a poor idea (Score:1)
Re:Skipping iPod clone is a poor idea (Score:2)
P
Re:Skipping iPod clone is a poor idea (Score:2)
My iPod locked-up once, I left it for a while becuase I was busy, it was almost flat after doing nothing but just spinning the HD for an hour.
Re:Skipping iPod clone is a poor idea (Score:2)
Add on to TiVo / etc (Score:3, Interesting)
As TiVo, etc, appear to be fine legally, this logical extension would be. Watch that Family Guy/Simpons/film on the train to work instead of at home where the wife will bitch because she wants to watch tennis.
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Re:Add on to TiVo / etc (Score:2)
Currently, the to make use of the iPod you need to have a Mac/PC. Sad to say, lots of consumers still don't have PCs - or at least have sh*tty ones.
Making the PSX the connection point for the PVP device would potentially open up a broader customer base for Sony.
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Add on to TiVo / etc (Score:2)
Nice idea. There's just a slight problem with your suggestion here. TiVo's don't have USB 2.0 ports, Firewire ports, or even *network* ports. As it stands, TiVo Series 2 units have tw
Re:Add on to TiVo / etc (Score:2)
Device -> PVR: Hi, Give me "Futurama Series 2 Episode 3" that you have recorded
PVR -> Device: OMGHI2U. What's your public key, screen size, capabilities, etc?
Device -> PVR: Here 'tis: , 320x240, MPEG4 and AVI
PVR -> Device: Cool, thanks. Here is the content transcoded to 320x240 MPEG4 encrypted with your public key
Device -> PVR: Sweet dude!
So the Device would be able to play the content legally, but it wouldn't be able
Re:And just like every other DRM (Score:1)
The idea is to make it hard or costly to get at the secret, i.e., not worth it for the average person. Anyway, a 320x240 video is not going to turn anyone on these days. Make sure the portable device is not the weak point in any video delivery system.
For now the only PVPs will be from the likes of Sony,
The porn industry leads the pack, as usual (Score:1)
Anyway, a 320x240 video is not going to turn anyone on these days.
Oh really [google.com]? It's not the size of the image that counts.
Maybe its just me but I just don't see the point.. (Score:5, Insightful)
Listening to music is just a much more passive activity than actually watching a movie. I simply see fewer instances where I'd want to use it AND I wouldn't want a more compelling experience from a gameboy or cellphone games. Maybe its just me - but by the time this market develops - I would expect that 4G phones would be able to deliver all the video I need right to me
Re:Maybe its just me but I just don't see the poin (Score:2)
I absolutely cannot fathom why anybody would want an expensive device to watch video in a postage stamp size. Also, a hard drive (random access media) is a complete waste for linear video data, and expensive too. Not to mention the limited battery life on something like this, unless an extremely expensive battery is used. I believe that these video players will appe
Re:Maybe its just me but I just don't see the poin (Score:1)
1. if your a student, record all lectures on a handycam to DV tape, then you can fall asleep
2. convert/copy to the video pod and watch later and fast forward the boring bits.
3. watch jayleno at school.
Re:Maybe its just me but I just don't see the poin (Score:1)
Two Words: (Score:2, Funny)
Enough said.
That's a stupid issue. Sorry. (Score:3, Insightful)
Where Am I Going...? (Score:2)
three questions (Score:1)
The last two are important. The iPod and the Apple store are not encumbered with excessive DRM. Sony, targeting a product for the windows market, is probably looking to develop some sort of DRM protected pay-per-view movie download library. I can easily imagi
legality? (Score:1)
Since when has the legality of the content not been an issue with portable audio players as well?
sunncomm mediamax 3 (Score:1)
It's legal for me to rip my CD's because there's no encryption
didn't you know that using the shift key is a felony/
pornography (Score:1)
Legality Issue with Both (Score:1)
Re:Legality Issue with Both (Score:1)
Re:Legality Issue with Both (Score:1)
Conflicting Goals (Score:2)
Sony was so worried about piracy, and sapping revenue from its Sony Music division, that it chose to do nothing and let Apple ascend. Apple made boatloads of cash from the iPod, while Sony struggled to remain profitable as revenues from its main cash cow, the PlayStation 2, plummeted.
Sony lost out because it is trying to do too many things - trying to be
Re:Conflicting Goals (Score:1)
That's what happens when a huge electronics
manufacturer also owns an entertainment subsidy.
Look at their MD technology...
never went anywhere
died on the vine
why ??
they refused to let it cleanly store data
without jumping thru sony only drm protocols
that would not allow 2 way movement of stored data
just a bunch o dumbasses....
don't look for anything "open" ever from Sony
spend your money on anyone else but
How About This for Under $100? (Score:2)
Putting the Move Back in Movies
A personal video player puts films in the palm of your hand for US $99
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Linux powered? (Score:1)
Sony doesn't want mp3 players to succeed... (Score:1)
Who says Sony is Loosing to iPod??? (Score:1)
Re:Who says Sony is Loosing to iPod??? (Score:1)
Re:Who says Sony is Loosing to iPod??? (Score:1)
people don't buy mds because they're great... they buy them because they are functional, and all their music from the last 10 years is on them.
sony's digital audio sucks... their entanglement with media production (artists) has kept them using drm that is added baggage to their hardware. it's only a matter of time until sony mainstream consumers realize that thei
Re:Sony doesn't want mp3 players to succeed... (Score:2)
Erm, maybe if your encoding at shit quality, but consider for a moment... I have over 300 legally purchased cds. Average 12 tracks a cd, 3 minutes or so a song, encoded at 256kb/s. Thats a bit over 2megs a minute. This all comes out to about 30Gb. Unfortunatly i bought a 20Gb archos jukebox back in the day so all my stuff is encoded @ 192Kb/s and i'm almost out of space on my portable. I still buy cds quite often, so i'm holding
Um. Hello? PSP? (Score:2)
Perfect Match for PSX??? (Score:2, Interesting)
It would eliminate worries about piracy for Sony, because it would be a simple matter to tie one Sony PVP to a PSX, like Apple does with iPods and Macs, letting Sony control both sides of the transaction effectively. Since most people can't record directly to digital form
My Eyes Are Bad Enough (Score:3, Funny)
Sheesh, at that size, no one will be able to tell IF Han shoots first.
Simplicity (Score:1)
legal content (Score:2)
With the BBC putting their archives online and the archive.org saying they will provide infinite storage and bandwidth for multimedia content, legal content for these devices is no problem.
Accidents will come (Score:1)
I can already watch QT movies on my Clie (Score:2)
Although with the iPod getting larger everyday, I don't see why you shouldn't be able to DL a movie to it. I mean I have LOTR TTT on my HDD and it takes up about 1.2GB compressed in DivX and all. Hell that would fit on my 5GB iPod.
I use the iPOD for more than just music. My 250 song collection leaves plenty of room so spare, so I
Ridiculous... (Score:3, Insightful)
This is absolutely ridiculous. There are millions of things Sony could do to beat the iPod.
On of the reasons I look at Sony products first, is because they get incredible battery life out of all of their products. What's the point of hundreds of hours of music, if you need to carry stacks and stacks of AA batteries, and swap them every 2 hours?
Then there is capacity, price, formats (I'm still looking for a good player with Vorbis support... Spex support would be very good too.)
However, don't exepct much from Sony. If you've looked at the products they've made in the past few decades, you can see that they are fully in-bed with media companies, and include all the DRM they can.
DATs were killed off due to DRM. MiniDiscs are just hanging on right now, because of DRM. You aren't allowed to make many copies of your own music, and they do everything they can to prevent you even having digital output at all. You can copy from your computer to your minidisc, but you can't copy the files back. They are going out of their way to give you a product with restrictions you don't want. With hundreds of products just like this, I can't imagine they are going to see the light, and throw out all restrictions immediately.
The big problem is that all electronics makers are in-bed with DRM of all types, which is the sole reason why computers are doing so well. Instead of doing the same things with stand-alone electronics, we have to do it with a general-purpose processor, because no sector other than the computer industry is willing to give you permission to access your own property how ever you want.
Apple is only partly in-bed with restrictions against the public, so they made a device that was far better than anything the electronics industry would ever think of comming out with.
Video Watchman maybe? (Score:1)
Re:Video Watchman maybe? (Score:2)
I have seen the enemy and he is us - Pogo
Sony is both a music and movie company. They ARE the big, bad wolf.
I like the idea (Score:2)
If Sony is really worried about piracy.. (Score:2)
You can already do it... (Score:2, Informative)
Legality? What legality? (Score:2)
What's wrong with viewing pr0n on a portable video player?
These have been out for a while now (Score:2)
They had at least three MPEG4 players for bargain basement prices.
What's the deal? Or is it just because it's Sony?
This already exists. (Score:4, Informative)
It has a 3.8" screen, plays MPEG4, MP3's, and records from any video source (encodes into MPEG4), including NTSC and PAL video.
Legality of Content? (Score:2)
I don't see Sony bringing this out... (Score:2)
Second, why would Sony and the MPAA do anything that might push down DVD sales? Hollywood is awash with DVD profits. Offering portable hard drives for motion-picture viewing is a direct threat to DVD sales. Hollywood won't allow this trend to happen like MP3 trading did to the music industry. Currently, the distribution channel for legal motion-picture digital sales is primitive, so a device like this would only encourage P2P movie tradi
Re:I don't see Sony bringing this out... (Score:2)
That is a great idea, but there is a reason why Apple hasn't included a digital-out on the iPod. The RIAA would have a fit over it without strong DRM. Think about it. Under the iTunes store license, you have your purchase mu
Got One! (Score:2)
I've already got one. It's called the Sony VAIO laptop.
"Legality of content"? (Score:2)
Second, does anybody remember their history? The first hardware MP3 player (Diamond) was sued like hell, and won. Why should this be any different?
I don't get it (Score:2)
nope, story says "a prototype." (Score:1)
According to the story: "... It looks like they just might do that. A few weeks ago, a prototype of a Sony PVP turned up at the WPC Expo trade show in Tokyo."
timothy
Re:nope, story says "a prototype." (Score:2)
Just putting 'prototype' into perspective here.