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Handspring Treo 600 Finally Available 180

Posted by CmdrTaco from the and-it-fits-in-the-palm-of-your-hand dept.
knightwolf writes "Well, finally, handspring has released their updated Treo - the Treo 600. Its only available on the sprint network at the moment, and owners of any of the other treo communicators can get a discount on the phone. Current price is 449 after a "service credit", or 399 for those trading up their current treo's. There's numerous new features, such as an SD/MMC slot, camera, Palm OS 5.2.1, a 144 Arm processor, 32MB, and other updates. Take a look, as I'd imagine this is the last actual handspring release, before they fully merge with Palm. "
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  • Here's a link (Score:3, Informative)

    by Sir Haxalot ( 693401 ) on Thursday October 09, 2003 @03:19PM (#7175706)
    To an artical mobiletrack.com had when Handspring were showing it off [mobiletracker.net].

  • I want a phone.. (Score:3, Funny)

    by Karamchand ( 607798 ) on Thursday October 09, 2003 @03:22PM (#7175740)
    ..not a funny multimedia whistling jukebox in my pocket!
    • Is that a funny multimedia whistling jukebox in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?

    • This phone is not for you, obviously. Why are you posting to to this story about what you do not want?

      Do you have something against devices that integrate functionalities of multiple devices into one? Like cars with stereos?

      There are plenty of people like myself who do want a well integrated device like this phone and cars with nice stereos.
    • I agree. How about a phone that measures reception, gives a compass pointer to the heading where the best reception is coming from. Something that enhances what a phone does, not just take it in a new, novel direction.
    • You make it sound like these convergence devices are all that's out there. This thing is the odd man out. If you want a phone, 98% of the devices out there are built to suit you. Do they *all* have to be exactly what you want? Can't we have a little diversty?
  • Do they make one for those of us with adult size fingers?

  • bluetooth? (Score:3, Informative)

    by viniosity ( 592905 ) on Thursday October 09, 2003 @03:23PM (#7175758) Homepage Journal
    This is almost the phone I've always wanted. There's no bluetooth, but according to The Register, that functionality will be coming in a future version.

    Sipher and Hawkins fielded some tough questions. There weren't any Bluetooth drivers yet, but support was on its way, probably supporting wireless headsets first.

    I think I'll wait a bit..
    • so they are going to provide a software patch that grows a Bluetooth chipset? there wont be any bluetooth.....not built in anyways. to do so would mean going through the FCC red tape all over again.
    • Adding a Bluetooth SD card [palmone.com] will set you back around a hundred bucks. A bluetooth headset [jabra.com] another hundred bucks. And that's assuming that the software will support the headset.

      It reallly makes you think twice, doesn't it?
      • i want it built in and i already own a blue tooth headset.
      • I bought a couple of Palm SD Bluetooth cards cheap, and I'd be happy to sell 'em for what I paid for 'em (except for the one in my Kyocera Smartphone): $60. If anyone's interested, you've got my email address above.
  • ....are too high. Basic Handspring with said features can be had for 150 or so, so the phone part costs an extra $300?!?!?!? No thanks.
    • Please give me a link to a Handspring model with PalmOS 5, other than the Treo 600.

      Yeah. You can't.

      Now show me a link to a color PalmOS 5 device for less than $200. Mmmmmkay.

      Look, if you don't like the device, don't buy it. Simple.
      • Here is a Palm OS 5 device for less than $200: Tungsten E [brighthand.com]
        • Wow. You get a cookie, Captain Obvious. Yes, the MSRP for the Tungsten E is one whole dollar less than $200.
      • The new Zire 21 is also a Palm OS 5 device.

        That being said, I just bought a Treo 90 after looking at the Palm OS 5 stuff. I wanted the thumbboard, and the only OS 5 devices that have it are way too expensive.

        Jon Acheson

  • I wish it had bluetooth (Score:3, Interesting)

    by computerme ( 655703 ) on Thursday October 09, 2003 @03:25PM (#7175803)
    I own a Sony Eric. t68i that has bluetooth and syncing my phone numbers and date via apple's isync just by putting my phone down next to my mac has been amazing...

    look ma no wires!

    I'm not going to look at this till maybe a rev 2 when they add bluetooth*

    * i don't want to use the only SD card slot by adding bluetooth at the cost of storage btw...
    • I had a T68, and while Bluetooth is cool that phone sucked ass. It gets the worst signal out of all the GSM phones in the area. I just upgraded to the Panasonic GU87 (No bluetooth, which sucks) and have no issues. If you want a phone with mid-range PDA effects and USB-sync, it's a great phone to get.

      I'm not going to look at this till maybe a rev 2 when they add bluetooth*

      I agree with you on that. I think they really pulled a Halo with the phone.

      (Fast release date, and missing major features like Bl
      • The really sad part is, there's supposed to be room on the phone's mobo for a bluetooth chip! Why they couldn't spend the extra $5 to actually put one on there is beyond me.

        I'm also bummed it doesn't flip like the samsung i500, I'm sure they could have made it the same form factor and used a keyboard instead of grafiti. The leather case with the clear front they have should make up for it though, I can't stand to not carry my cell phone in my front left pocket (the same on that hold my keys).

        I'm torn on i
        • I'm torn on if I should get one now or wait for bluetooth. I'm also a bit angered about sprint's lack of good discounts for people that have been with them for a while, I'm going on 5 years with them, and this would be my 3rd phone with them. Do I get a discount for the $4000+ I've given them over the years? Nope. I'm glad the number portability law comes into affect in november, maybe I'll switch to a GSM provider.

          If you are looking for that, check out AT&T. I haven't paid retail on a phone since 19
          • If you are looking for that, check out AT&T. I haven't paid retail on a phone since 1998. As long as you don't upgrade more than once a year, they'll cut you a deal. Also, if you find any price on the internet for a phone, they'll match it. I got my GU87 for $200, which is much less than they were trying to sell it.

            Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. When I started with sprint, ATT didn't have coverage in most of the metro (Omaha), some sort of leftover cruft from the monoply breakup where they legall
            • Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. When I started with sprint, ATT didn't have coverage in most of the metro (Omaha), some sort of leftover cruft from the monoply breakup where they legally couldn't do it. It changed in 2000, but I have no idea how good the service is. Qwest is a major player here (our new arena is even named after them), but their prices suck. I hear verizon is pretty good.

              The issue with AT&T is their customer service people are the happiest bunch of fucking idiots around. It's laughab
        • I'm with you -- the instant telephone number portability kicks in I'm switching from my current telco to a GSM carrier so that I can avoid being locked into weird proprietary telephone land again. Any GSM phone works with any GSM account just by sticking in the ID card, so you can swap phones or carriers and, amazingly enough, everything keeds working. The US telco's, whining about how much portability is costing them to implement, just suck. Everyone else on the planet had this the whole time, and they tho

  • Groan (Score:2, Funny)

    by Evil Adrian ( 253301 )
    Its only available on the sprint network at the moment, and owners of any of the other treo communicators can get a discount on the phone.

    I guess we'd better sprint down to the store before they're sold out!

  • Treo 600 Latest News (Score:3, Informative)

    by 4ginandtonics ( 455958 ) on Thursday October 09, 2003 @03:26PM (#7175810)
    The latest news on the Treo 600 can be found at the very active message base at
    Treo|Central's forums [treocentral.com]. Click on the Treo600 family messagebase.

    It's always a riot to watch the geeks yammer as new hardware is released. This one reminds me of Zaurus' release...

    Cheers!

  • It's raining new phone-models (Score:4, Informative)

    by puppetman ( 131489 ) on Thursday October 09, 2003 @03:28PM (#7175836) Homepage
    Sierra Wireless [sierrawireless.com] just released a new phone today [voq.com]. The Vancouver Sun did a story [canada.com] this morning, which said "the first model will work with wireless networks using the GSM and GPRS standard used throughout Europe and on some North American networks, including Rogers AT&T Wireless and Microcell's Fido in Canada."

    Unfortunately, it runs Windows Mobile software, but the layout of the keyboard is very cool.

    There's even a FAQ for IT people [voq.com]///

  • Does anyone know if there will be an unlocked GSM version? Also, does anyone know the ETA on the crop of 802.11b SD cards?
  • 399 for those trading up their current treo's

    Cool, now I'll be able to afford a refurbed prior model.
    • Actually that is incorrect. Treo 300 owners get to keep their 300 with this offer. They just have to give the serial number to prove they own one. Sorry. I have seen them for $99.00 on handspring.com though.
  • Bah, look at this [blackberry.com]

    That is a PDA/Phone combo worth getting!
  • Damn, that sucks that it can only connect to Exchange for wireless instant email. I wish they had a way to connect up to UNIXen mail.

  • Oh boy (Score:4, Funny)

    by cybermace5 ( 446439 ) <g.ryan@macetech.com> on Thursday October 09, 2003 @03:38PM (#7175980) Homepage Journal
    Go ahead, buy one. Then enjoy the PDA features you'll probably not use all that much, relish the odd looks you'll get while holding a phone up to your ear that rivals the size of 80's police radios, and carry plenty of screen wipes to remove oily smudges from your screen.

    Of course my disdain for Treo users is fueled by my hidden jealousy.

    • Re:Oh boy (Score:3, Insightful)

      by enjo13 ( 444114 )
      You've obviously never held one of these. The size, while large'ish is most definitely within reason. It's a fairly comfortable wait, and passes the belt test with flying colors.

      For those of us who DO use our PDA's for many many things this phone is a definite contender as a convergence device. I'm sorry you don't 'get it' or 'want it', but there are those of us that most definitely do.
    • If you bother to read the specs (http://www.handspring.com/products/communicators/ treo600_specs.jhtml) you'll see this:
      Size
      4.4 x 2.4 x 0.9 inches
      (11.2 x 6.0 x 2.2 cm)
      Next time follow the the fcuking link.
  • I can't be the only gadget-geek who works in an environment where cameras are not permitted. I'm missing out on some cool toys! :(
  • Price is roughly equivalent to a similar spec palmpilot. You get a phone built in (I know many folks on this forum like having lots of devices strapped to their belt - this is not for them!).

    And then you're committed to a 1 year phone contract.

    For those that want convergence (no more need to sync your phone and palmpilot) plus all the other stuff that you get from an OS5 palm (Mp3, lots of software) - this is a pretty good deal.

    Prices below are for the UK - but if anything, there seem to be better deals
  • my treo 270 last month, this may work out well. Although $399 ain't cheap, its less expensive than a new 270 would have cost me last week. I ended up switching carriers to ATT and got the Sony t610. Now I can just pop in my 270 serial number, et voila. Maybe by the time ATT supports the Treo, I can save up the ducats. Lack of bluetooth is a glaring omission though, at least for Apple users. The powerbook sync to bluetooth with my current t610 ($49 bucks as a new ATT customer) is simple and convenient

  • So how do I....? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by ashitaka ( 27544 ) on Thursday October 09, 2003 @03:54PM (#7176174) Homepage
    1) Set up a SSH connection?
    2) Run a VNC session over a VPN?
    3) Get EMail "pushed" to the Treo? (Blackberry-style)

    With these I'll have all I need.
    • If I could get 1 and 3, it's all I would ever need. Can't someone come up with something? Blackberry is great, but I also have to carry around a Palm Tungsten C in order to manage my massive to-do list using Agendus and input time into TimeReporter for Timeslips - both only available for Palm OS.
    • All are possible; number 2 you may need to get from your GSM provider. I know T-Mobile has a VPN over GSM service, but I haven't tried it.

      The palm VNC client is pretty good, though. It is painful over GSM.

    • Here's how: (Score:3, Informative)

      by SlashChick ( 544252 )
      I have a Treo 300, and I use SSH via Top Gun SSH. [offshore.com.ai]

      I check email using Eudora. No, it won't push it, but you can run Eudora and check email just like you would on your desktop. There are also several other email clients available for the Treo.

      The Treo 300 is a great device, and from what I've seen of the 600, it's even better. I will be upgrading. :)
    • 1) Top Gun SSH 2) PalmVNC 3) Switch to IMAP - Palm VersaMail 2.0 (might not work on Sprint though)
    • 1) SSH is available for PalmOS devices through various places, for example: http://staff.deltatee.com/~angusa/TuSSH.html
      htt p ://online.offshore.com.ai/~iang/TGssh/

      Unfortunately, none of them appear to support SSHv2 yet, but we can hope or (even better) help.

      2) Well, they definately have VPN for Palm. Example:
      http://www.mergic.com/
      As for VNC, it sounds like you're looking for something like:
      http://www.btinternet.com/~harakan/PalmVNC/

      3) I'm pretty sure 'push' email is one of those things that's being rest
    • On my T180, I've been using TopGun ssh (and I think mocha telnet works for ssh, too).

      VNC? You're not going to connect to windows boxes are you? CLI Forever!!! Seriously, I don't know anything about VNC for palm.

      For email, I have the following setup - SnapperMail hitting a ssl Pop3 server (every hour or so), and a perl script on the server that "digests" messages and sends them to the SMS gateway provided by the cell phone provider if a) the message makes it past spamassassin and b) the message is marke
      • POP3 every hour or even every 15 minutes isn't going to cut it. An email comes into my inbox, or more importantly the Helpdesk inbox, I want to see it NOW!

        As we are a mix of Linux and Win2K I do a lot by the command line (hence SSH).

        VNC is useful for troubleshooting user problems not necessarily because I can remote control their PC but because I can see what is on their screen.
      • There's a GPL'd VNC client for PalmOS. It's called PalmVNC [palmvnc2.free.fr] (wow...). I make a 320x460 desktop on my main machine and VNC from the PDA to that. No scrolling, and I can use gaim with subpixel anti-aliasing on my Clie :D
    • 1) Get a Palm SSH client [offshore.com.ai].
      2) Get a Palm VPN client [mergic.com] and a Palm VNC client [btinternet.com].
      3) THis is the trickyish part. The best you can do for low-cost is have SMS_Biff [harkless.org]send you an SMS every time you get an e-mail. The cool part is, there's a program out there that will monitor your incoming SMS messages and do something based on the contents [sourceforge.net]. Basically you could set it up so as soon as you get the SMS notification (usually within a matter of seconds), it pulls down your mail, so you'd have it from within a minute or two
      • Unfortunately, the Mergic VPN client is not compatable with Palm OS 5 yet. They say it is in beta, but I couldn't find any links on their website so it may not be a public beta.

  • As a Palm Developer (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    I've got to say I'm surprised how well the Treoo600 works. The 'one hand navigation' functionality (i.e. a focus model) Handspring have added to PalmOS is suprisingly good and almost totally removes the need for a Palm style touch screen.

    It's kinda interesting to see how Palm devices have gone full circle now...from providing a touch screen in their early days and now returning to a full keyboard and 'mouse' (of sorts) with jog dials of various incarnations or the newer Treo600 / Palm '5 way nav' doohickey

  • It lost one of it's best features: (Score:4, Insightful)

    by conan_albrecht ( 446296 ) on Thursday October 09, 2003 @03:59PM (#7176215)
    *The flip cover*.

    Now, before I get flamed for how dumb flip covers are (yes, I know it looks like a star trek communicator), let me argue why they are so important.

    My Treo 300's flip cover is terribly scratched because, well, cell phones/pdas get thrown around a lot. But, since the flip cover is integrated into the phone and protects the screen, my screen is as smooth as the day I bought it.

    If I upgrade to a 600, I'll have to purchase an after-market protection. Whether it is a leather cover, hard case, or otherwise, it will not be as integrated as the 300's flip cover.

    An added bonus -- since the 300's flip cover is see-through, I often use my PDA with the flip cover down. You can't use the stylus or keyboard when it's down, but you can read an ebook, a grocery list, or the address book just fine.

    BTW, I love my 300. The processor is weak, the screen is low res, it's almost unviewable outside, but it has excellent integration of the pda and phone. For example, you can be on the phone (speakerphone or ear bud) and modify your calendar at the same time. Small integrations like that are what make the Treo a Treo.
    • I'm also a huge fan of the Treo 300 -- does everything I need, only one device in my pocket. I agree completely about the flip screen -- it looks dumb when I'm talking to somebody without my headset, but the screen will last forever. I set up the four little buttons at the bottom of the Treo to launch applications that can be used with the screen down, it's very handy.

      Plus I actually LIKE that the Treo 300 is as big as a regular Palm. The keyboard is usable by adults, and the screen's big enough to see

  • All these sweet features and they gave it a low-res 160x160 screen?! CRAP! This TOTALLY ruins it for me. There's no way I can go back to low-res after having a Tungsten|T with 320x320.

    I was maybe gonna buy one of these until now. :(
    • > All these sweet features and they gave it a low-res 160x160 screen

      That's what I thought, too. It seems 320x320 HiRez is now the standard, with 320x480 becoming more and more popular. The extra amount of web content you can display with the higher resolution makes a big difference on small screens.
  • While the Treo 600 is significantly smaller than the previous models, I don't understand Handspring's decision to include a built-in camera in this unit. Why doesn't it just remove the camera and make it smaller? A 0.1 megapixel camera isn't much useful anyway.
    • I guess the camera is there to provide MMS on a GSM/GPRS network. More info on MSS here [mobilemms.com]
    • It's because half the phones solf in Europe include a camera. Photo Messaging is starting to take off and it's nearest competitor the P800 includes one.

      Don't forget that handset wise almost all of the driving forces are external to the US - Bluetooth, SMS, Picture Messaging...
  • I'd imagine this is the last actual handspring release, before they fully merge with Palm.

    Is this analagous to when Apple bought out Power Computing?
    • "I'd imagine this is the last actual handspring release, before they fully merge with Palm.

      Is this analagous to when Apple bought out Power Computing?"

      More like when Apple bought NeXT, as far as I can see. :-)
    • Not really. Apple bought out PowerComputing in order to take a competitor with multiple superior products and shut them down.

      Palm bought out Handspring in order to take a competitor with one single, shining superior product, and make that product theirs, and then sell lots and lots and lots of them. :)
  • Does anyone know if this thing has pushed email like a Blackberry? That's the "killer feature" for me and my use of Blackberrys. When I receive an email on my server, I get it on the Blackberry 6210 within 20-30 seconds. Two very quiet beeps tells me there is a new email. I never have to login to check to see if new email exists.
  • Its only available on the sprint network at the moment

    According to the handspring site you can also get it for AT&T, Cingular, and T-Mobile. The black model is the only one available for Sprint.
    • According to E Week [eweek.com]:

      Sprint PCS Group, Cingular Wireless LLC, AT&T Wireless Services Inc. and T-Mobile USA Inc. all plan to start selling the Palm OS-based smart phone, starting in the fall.

      AT&T Wireless will start selling the device by the end of the year, according to officials at the Redmond, Wash., company, who declined to give pricing. T-Mobile U.S.A. Inc. finished its field trials of the Treo 600 this week and has yet to announce a launch date.

      And while we're googling, the names "Orange"
  • Once this is available on tmobile's GPRS network I'm going to sell the sidekick on ebay. The thin-client nature of the CSK is very limiting and it drives me crazy when Danger and Tmobile wont fix a trivial problem. No outside development means I'm stuck with a locked box and when they do roll out downloads it will be pay per play. Very few to no freebies.

    The CSK has no internal storage or the CPU muscle to play an MP3. It won't synch with anything either. Using it as a phone is a chore, that is when i

    • I'm going to sell the sidekick on ebay. [...] No outside development means I'm stuck with a locked box

      Maybe you could actually try to find out whether they support outside developers before flaming about it? It's easy to sign up as a developer and get the SDK from the hiptop developer outlet [danger.com]. I found it in about 15 seconds from the Danger [danger.com] home page.

      • Yes, I know, but there's no download mechanism. They're writing code on emulators and special dev OSs. As of now you cannot simply download an app like you can with the PalmOS. Not to mention PalmOS has time on its side thus tons more apps.

        Supposedly the "download manager" was going to launch this month in fear of the Treo. Too little too late.
  • ...will soon be able to buy the phone on Orange [orange.co.uk].

    Personally, I would rather wait for the Sony Ericsson P900 [mobile-review.com], also out soon.

  • No Bluetooth = No Way (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    What is the problem with wireless devices not having bluetooth? Completely showstopping unacceptable in this age. IR, GPRS or *gasp* plugging it in? These are the options on a multifunction device of this size? An Altair had more IO than this. *the horror*

    I have 6 other bluetooth nodes in my piconet and it's achieved critical useful mass for me. No one else finds this a moral outrage?

  • I bought the Treo 300 as soon as it came out last Autumn, and I've been very impressed. The same day I bought the Treo I bought a 700 MHz G3 iBook, 14"/40 GB/640 MB RAM. The two devices are awesome together. Honestly, though, if you judged based on time spent using each device, I would have paid thousands for the Treo and hundreds for the iBook. I never anticipated how useful my Treo would become. It's always with me, morning, noon, and night, and it has never let me down. It does everything I need it to, a

  • First thing I wanted to know is the resolution - and I couldn't find it anywhere on the Handspring site. I finally found it in a third-party review: 160x160.

    This is kind of disappointing. Honestly, I don't think this device is very innovative - Samsung had this design years ago (i300, followed by i330). In addition, I think that the flip design (Old Treo, Kyocera 7135, Samsung i500) is more appropriate for PDA/Phone devices, as it protects the necessarily bigger screen better.

  • Keyboard? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Piquan ( 49943 ) on Thursday October 09, 2003 @05:42PM (#7177219)

    What's always put me off of the Treo is the keyboard. I'm used to Graffiti, and I can work well with it. I don't think I'd like having to type on a micro-keyboard.

    Did anybody with my mindset make the switch? Care to share your experiences?

    • Re:Keyboard? (Score:2, Informative)

      by ezraekman ( 650090 )
      At first, you're going to feel like you're all thumbs. (And you'd be right, since that's the best way to type on it.) But after you use it for about a week (depending on how often you do), you're going to notice an ENORMOUS difference in speed. I can type on my Treo about 1/3 as fast as I can on a keyboard, about 4-5 times faster than I can handwrite, and about 8-9 times faster than I can use grafifti.

  • First impressions, fixes, and free internet access (Score:5, Informative)

    by ezraekman ( 650090 ) on Thursday October 09, 2003 @07:15PM (#7178332) Homepage

    I picked one of these suckers up yesterday, and it is MUCH better than the Treo 300: Following is my long-winded review, with some technical issues, work-arounds, answers, and heresy. ;-) Oh, and how to use your Treo 600 (or 300) as free, wireless internet access for a laptop, that does not use your minutes!

    The Treo 600 is signifigantly smaller than the 300. It actually feels more like a "smartphone" than a PDA with a built-in cell phone, like the 300 did. It's the same height, but slightly slimmer from front to back, and signifigantly slimmer in width. Definitely feels sexier, though the color scheme for the GSM verision looks nicer/more professional, in my opinion. This one (The dual-band CDMA) looks... slightly cheaper than the GSM version.

    The screen is not 20 times brighter like some reviews will lead you to believe, but it is definitely brighter (2-3 times), and the gamma is different. Comparing the two, the 300 has a definite yellowish cast to it. Also, the screen is evenly illuminated, unlike the 300, which was illuminated from the upper-right corner of the display.

    The keyboard is slightly more difficult to use, as they keys are closer together, though, each key's surface area is larger than the 300. However, my impression on the usability might be colored by two things: A) the fact the keyboard layout has changed somewhat, and B) the fact that I've been using the 300 for the past year. It'll no doubt become easier to use as time goes on. I've only had the thing for a day and a half. ;-) The keys are not backlit as brightly as the 300, which is unfortunate. They're fine in a dark room/at night, but in a dimly-lit room, they can be difficult to read.

    Ah, the 5-way jog-dial! Actually, it's more like a 4-way directional keypad with an enter-button... kind of like the remote for a DVD player. VERY nicely integrated. You'll need to play around with it in each application to become accustomed to how it operates (it's slightly different in each app, based on what you're using it for; this might be slightly less intuitive, but is superior for final usability, in my opinion), but once you do, it blows the up/down buttons away. However, 3rd-party applications must have support built-in for the 5-way buttons. Otherwise, the left, right and center buttons are ignored, and it only operates as up/down buttons.

    Speaking of 3rd-party software, software compatibility seems to be something of an issue. Many shareware titles that worked fine on the 300 have issues on the 600. Some are just more buggy, and some don't work at all, reporting errors crashing and/or reseting the 600 with no warning. Also, some apps that claim to be compatible with ARM processors, but operated with odd results, usually display-related. (Appearing as though it was intended for one resolution, but is being displayed in another.) This may be related to the fact that most ARM-optimized apps are also intended for high-res devices. I'm not sure, but one might infer that all ARM devices prior to the Treo 600 might also have been high-res devices... which might lead to this problem?

    One item of note regarding resetting: The Treo 300 would never turn wireless (phone) mode back on after a soft reset. However, a couple of third-party extensions would allow you to (among other things), cause the 300 to automatically turn wireless mode after a soft reset. The 600 seems to do this on it's own, but not 100% of the time, and there does not appear to be any pattern to when it will or will not turn back on, post reset. However, you know whether or not wireless mode is back on because A) you get bumped back to the phone app and B) it will make the same annoying chime that the Samsung A500 made. (Or at least, the first half of it), and displays part of the Sprint corporate ID. (You know, with all of those hokey icons?)

    The 600 now has a built-in camera, which is really just a gimmick in this iteration (only 640x480, at relatively low quality)

  • Dax Kelson just posted a patch to add support for this device in the Linux kernel. I believe Linus accepted the patch and it should show up in the next -pre kernel.

    Here's the link: http://lkml.org/lkml/2003/10/9/10 [lkml.org]

    -Derek

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