Self-Parking Car Available In Japan 352
sinjayde writes "Yahoo!/Reuters is reporting that Toyota has released a car for sale in Japan that is able to park itself: 'Toyota's new hybrid gasoline-electric Prius sedan uses electrically operated power steering and sensors that help guide the car when reversing into parking spaces.'" No need to rely on the reverse parking formula anymore?
It had to be done... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:It had to be done... (Score:2)
Glad to see they put this in a hybird car. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Glad to see they put this in a hybird car. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:It had to be done... (Score:3, Interesting)
hmm, not so sure.... (Score:4, Funny)
I saw this today (Score:4, Interesting)
In the demonstration the man driving the Prius stopped the car a little ahead of a parking spot, then on the LCD screen, pressed the left & right buttons(Im guessing, cuz it was in japanese and too small to read) and then the car parked itself right on the spot intended. The driver at that time was "look ma, no hands". There were front and rear cameras and while parking the car was emitting a sound similar to the "put seatbelt on" one.
dependency (Score:4, Funny)
Re:dependency (Score:2)
Plus my mom can't back a car into her driveway in a straight manner to sa
Re:dependency (Score:4, Interesting)
I bet it was the same thing with automatic transmission at first. A car changing gears on it's own, many of the people who were only used to manual probably didn't particularly want to make the switch. Some will switch, but the vast majority of the transition depends on time.
Or to make a long story short, new technology can take upwards of a generation to really assimilate into society. But you probably knew that anyway, I just felt like pointing that out as it seemed pertinent or something.
Re:dependency (Score:5, Insightful)
Is it really all that likely? It's simply a navigation task, not some particular combination of voodoo prayer and the position of the moon. Calculators didn't kill the study of math, elevators didn't kill the climbing of stairs, and even if you made those arguments it's arguable that society has grown to a higher level since both these devices came along. So tell me, why would a self parking car make people forget how to park cars? That's a ridiculous, cliche filled, statement.
"but people are getting too darn lazy these days."
People are smarter than they ever were. They do a lot more these days than they did in the olden days. Lazy?
"is parking really that hard?"
If it were, dontcha think that these things would have been around ages ago? Back in the 50's they had a car with a fifth wheel so you could pivot your car into a paralell spot. Didn't exactly take off. However, technology has gotten a lot better these days, it's gotten cheaper, and car companies are in a competition to get more marketshare. What you're seeing here is a result of competition, not some need to park cars. Besides, have you ever had a valet driver bump your bumper? Happens to my car daily.
Re:dependency (Score:2)
People are smarter than they ever were. They do a lot more these days than they did in the olden days. Lazy?
How many people do you know that cannot drive a manual transmission car? Probably about 80%.
Are people actually smarter now?
When you say "do a lot more" what exactly does this mean? Time spent on the computer? Useless chatting on cellphones simply 'cause you can? Pretending to be busy?
"Doing more" and being more effective are two different (but not necessarily mutually exclusive) things.
Re:dependency (Score:2)
Re:dependency (Score:2)
People are choosing to have more stuff and make more money, rather than work less and have more leisure time.
Come on, this is basic Economics 101.
Sure, that appears to be the case.
But when does it end? Do you want your kids to have to work 80 hours a week just to make ends meet? I'm assuming that your level of comfort does not include two expensive automobiles, a quarter million-dollar house and a boat.
How much stuff is enough? Is the neverending acquisition of "stuff" covering up for other ina
Re:dependency (Score:2)
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Funny, form the way most parking lots look it must be prtty hard. I mean honestly, how do you manage to use three parking spaces for a volkswagon?
Re:dependency (Score:2)
I know, I live here, and parking is absolutely insane. Everywhere else on the planet is spoiled in comparison. Yet the Japanese manage to not ride each other's bumpers.
Re:I won't give up Stick! (Score:2, Informative)
Why are Ford and GM so far behind? They don't have CVT's. They are just talking about Hybrids, I'm not holding my breath.
Toyota and Honda have had Hybrid's and CVT transmisions for years now.
Re:I won't give up Stick! (Score:3, Informative)
I know. I own a 2002 Prius, and have ordered the 2004 (too bad they don't have self pa
driving test. (Score:5, Funny)
2. sell driving lesson school for people who are afraid to parallel park on driving test. with the promise they can use car on the test.
3. ????
4. profit.
Re:driving test. (Score:5, Informative)
In some states, it is no longer a requirement to know how to parallel park in order to get a license. Therefore, even though I've been driving for two years, I still can't parallel park.
Sad but true.
Re:driving test. (Score:2)
Re:driving test. (Score:2)
Re:driving test. (Score:2)
I never thought it was a requirement in any state.
I rather thought the test was setup with a number of specific tasks you had to peform, and you got graded on each one.
In Washington, I remember being told that if you refuse to parallel park, you would lose more points then if you tried and failed, unless you hit a cone.
Re:driving test. (Score:2, Interesting)
True in Oregon - it's been replaced by parking and then backing along a curb (at least that's what my driving instructor said - I'm not 16 yet and so haven't taken the test).
Who pays? (Score:5, Interesting)
In the US, these have to pass some rigorous gov't inspection and testing before they are allowed on the road. I don't think I want the liability.
Is parking really that hard? Are people really that stupid and lazy? Don't answer that. Can I get a robot to feed me my cereal in the morning?
Re:Who pays? (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't think you will have the option of recovering damages from the manufacturer. You ultimately pulled the switch that told the car to auto-park.
Re:Who pays? (Score:5, Insightful)
highways and magnets (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:highways and magnets (Score:2, Insightful)
I think I read somewhere that in 1995, there were nearly 4 million miles of road total in the U.S.A. If it takes a transit team that long to widen one busy suburban intersection, we'll all be driving floating cars by the time they're finished. At least, we hope.
Re:highways and magnets (Score:3, Interesting)
The only problem then becomes crap-in-the-road (or lack of a road) avoidance. However if you had traffic monitori
Re:Who pays? (Score:4, Insightful)
Speaking from complete ignorance, just trying to think through the economics of this--if the self-driving system actually lead to less accidents, then in general you'd expect there to be less money overall awarded in liability lawsuits. The difference would just be who would be responsible--some liability that was previously the driver's would become the car manufacturer's. So you'd expect the automaker to end up spending more on liability insurance (raising the cost of the car), but you'd expect the car driver's liability insurance to decrease correspondingly.
The driver's insurer could say "buy this (more expensive, because of the technology and the costs of the maker's insurance) self-driving car and we'll give you a discount."
So naively it's not obvious that the increased liability on the automakers' part would make the whole project impossible.
Maybe an automated highway is more complicated than something like a self-parking mechanism, because many more parties are involved (e.g., the people who built and designed the highway), but still, if they could prove that there would be a decrease in accidents, then it might be possible to distribute the costs of risks in a reasonable way.
I sincerely doubt, however, that it is possible for anyone at this point to *know* that the accident rates will be lower. Without more experience, an automated highway sounds like a risky venture--it might initially seem to be safer, but then a subtle bug might cause something catastrophic to happen after it's been in use for a while. Perhaps it was the difficult-to-forsee problems that they were worried about in the situation you describe. But if the threat of suits here is encouraging caution, that strikes me as a good thing--surely radical changes affecting something as critical as highway safety *should* be undertaken very cautiously.
--Bruce Fields
Re:Who pays? (Score:2)
Autopilot sounded like a risky venture too. Who would trust flying an airplane to a box of hardware? But nowadays it is more reliable than a human (though not as versatile), and one would be a fool not to engage the autopilot at cruise altitude.
Humans are far more dangerous as drivers than as
Re:Who pays? (Score:2)
For future reference, here's how I could tell: (1) you created a false dichotomy, (2) the false dichotomy is based on nothing at all, not even the usual anecdotal evidence presented in such case and (3) you assail the war in Iraq in a silly way.
Hope that help!
Re:Who pays? (Score:2, Insightful)
In that case, the state can adopt a no-fault policy, thus eliminating frivolous lawsuits and those "middlemen".
Re:Who pays? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Who pays? (Score:2)
Yeesh. Some car company goes through all the R&D to make an interesting upsell, and suddenly the collective intelligence of society is measured? WTF?
Parking is easy (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Parking is easy (Score:5, Funny)
Thats an easy enough solution...just get yourself a tank and parking problems will be a thing of the past
Re:Parking is easy (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Parking is easy (Score:2)
-B
Re:Parking is easy (Score:2)
And I know you can buy trucks like these--I work at a county highway department (summer job), and we recently auctioned off our 10-15 year old "bus", which, painted brown, could pass as a UPS truck.
Re:Parking is easy (Score:2)
Ever heard of trains? Sure, getting a ticket for one of those might cost you some vital organs and a trip to the local pawn shop, but all that can be ignored by abusi- er, hmm... putting my student's card to "creative use". I've never had any problems with some Toyota in the parking spot of a train and I highly doubt it ever would be a problem were it to happen anyways.
Re:Parking is easy (Score:2, Funny)
how great an idea that would be. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:how great an idea that would be. (Score:2)
Good for Toyota (Score:2, Interesting)
self merging cars,... (Score:4, Insightful)
later,
epic
Re:self merging cars,... (Score:5, Insightful)
Unfortunately merging is one of the maneuvers that requires the most communication; in busy traffic you really have to negotiate with the other people on the road--signal and move over a little, watch to see if the approaching driver acknowledges you, and then, depending on the reaction, either move over a little more or retreat and wait for the next gap.
Exactly the sort of procedure I'd imagine to be most difficult to automate....
--Bruce Fields
Re:self merging cars,... (Score:2)
Unfortunately merging is one of the maneuvers that requires the most communication; in busy traffic you really have to negotiate with the other people on the road--signal and move over a little, watch to see if the approaching driver acknowledges you, and then, depending on the reaction, either move over a little more or retreat and wait for the next gap.
How about a radar? I'd like a radar, personally. It'd be a heck of a lot more useful than mirrors, and could be really helpful when vision is impaired
Re:self merging cars,... (Score:2)
Re:self merging cars,... (Score:2)
You're driving on the freeway during rush hour, and traffic is at a crawl. You're in the far-left lane, but you need to get to the far-right lane to get your exit. Do you:
I don't drive
Courteously signal your lane change, checking your blindspot, waiting for a good samaritan to permit passage
Creep into the neighboring lane, scaring cautious drivers into giving you a wide berth
Come to a complete stop, turn on your hazards, get out and place emergency flares in a
Re:self merging cars,... (Score:2)
I for one welcome our new auto-car overlords.
Re:self merging cars,... (Score:2)
Merging into traffic is one of the exciting parts of my morning commute -- sort of a game to see how far forward I can get ahead of the traffic, and still weasel cleanly in. Same thing with changing lanes at just the right time. Even if a machine could do a better job than me, I would still rather do it myself.
What I want is a car that will automatically stay a couple of car lengths behind the guy in front, and just sit there and stay in the lane so I can read a book o
AI driving would be much more efficient (Score:2)
It's too bad, because if people and infrastructures were convinced to support it, more intelligent cars would help to solve a lot of traffic problems. It'll probably happen eventually, but only after someone eventually does it and everyone sees how useful it is.
There are certain driving tasks that computers simply can't perform, such as aroun
Self driving cars.. hmmm... sounds familiar (Score:2)
Yes! Yes! But there's so much wasted space between cars on the freeway. What if we attach them all with some kind of coupler. Now refueling them would be a pain, so lets just put electric wires over them and let them feed off the juice. Cars are kinda small and a waste of space, what if we make them more boxy. We can call them box cars or something.
Now all those drivers are wasting their time because you only need one driver to umm conduct
Obvious joke (Score:5, Funny)
obvious answer (Score:2, Funny)
BBC Story (Score:5, Informative)
The technology for this was shown off months ago - I saw the story. I am glad it is finally being released to the public.
Not new (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Not new (Score:2)
I can't say I... (Score:5, Interesting)
The forgotten danger (Score:4, Interesting)
bigger engine and motor (Score:5, Informative)
Toyota did the right thing. The new prius is bigger than the old one (now a midsize, not a compact), has fewer emissions, more horsepower, and accelerates faster. Now, if they could only make it cheaper, too....
Re:bigger engine and motor (Score:2)
It may be more expensive, but as other comments point out, the gas savings is MASSIVE so over the life of the car it will easily make up the difference.
Re:bigger engine and motor (Score:2)
perhaps a little too optimistic, but I wouldn't be suprised.
Re:bigger engine and motor (Score:2)
If not I call bullshit. According to Toyota [toyota.com] themselves, the V6 Camrys max out at 33MPG (highway), 23 (city):
Manual transmission 23/33 [6] 23/33 NA
Automatic transmission 23/32 23/32 23/32
I can't even squeeze 50MPG out of my V6 Jetta (which is several hundred pounds lighter than a Camry), even if I drive like a grandma afraid of acelleration. I usually get 2
Re:bigger engine and motor (Score:2)
Re:bigger engine and motor (Score:2)
cluster (Score:4, Funny)
importing one (Score:5, Funny)
I imagine when you try to autopark in a right hand side country it will park in the middle of the road instead of the sidewalk.
Re:importing one (Score:2)
Re:importing one (Score:2)
Better yet (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Better yet (Score:2)
Only in America (Score:2, Insightful)
Interesting Idea (Score:4, Funny)
yes... (Score:2, Funny)
Wrong place for intelligence (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Wrong place for intelligence (Score:4, Informative)
Parking Algorithms (Score:2)
Obviously for the prius you need a fairly conservative routine. With restrictions like "don't bump the vehicles in front/back" and "there must initially be enough room for the vehicle to fit."
For a Hummer or Abrams tank I think you could probably relax the restrictions a little. If you need to widen the spot a little you could probably give the vehicles in front/back a little bump. Or just park on top of another ve
Reminds me of a bad card I read (Score:5, Funny)
on the inside..
Because men will tell them this is 6 inches:
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Needless to say it wasn't quite the punchline I was expecting
Re:Reminds me of a bad card I read (Score:2)
How stunt drivers do it (Score:5, Funny)
Head towards the parking spot at a fair speed, as perpendicular to the spot as you can. Swerve car and pull handbrake and then brake and counter steer so that you neatly skid and slide in sideways.
With this method you can park in a spot that's practically the same length as your car - just depends on how accurate you are.
Getting out requires a bit more space - the length of the space must be slightly more than the diagonal length of your car. Pull handbrake to max, turn steering wheel max (to lock) towards side you want to exit from. Stomp on clutch, red line engine, release clutch, burn rubber and gradually spin car out of space.
Not recommended in uncontrolled environments.
Re:How stunt drivers do it (Score:2, Interesting)
The stunt driver in question made his name doing the same stunt in TV ads for the Austin Montego car - a car so truly f'ing awful that it deserved to be confined to the great car crusher in the sky upon launch.
why? (Score:2, Interesting)
thats silly. (Score:2)
I for one am a crappy parallel parker. I'm a great driver.. i just suck at maneuvering my car into a tight spot parallelwise. I would welcome this any day.
Or what about those darn public transportation riders... actually letting other people drive FOR them!
Probably not parallel parking (Score:2)
I can't wait for the bugs to fall out of this one. (Score:2)
The Toyota Prius that backed over an old lady because she was small and wearing something that absorbed the signature. The Toyota Prius that smashes itself on Philadelphia curbs... The Toyota Prius...
Yeah, bring this car on.
SMASHPRIUS.VBS (Score:2)
I can just see it now... autoupdate feature of self driving car gets hijacked by hackers...
Re:The article text to avoid /. effect: (Score:4, Funny)
Thanks for that. 'Cause you know Yahoo gets /.ed every time.
- ebh
Re:The article text to avoid /. effect: (Score:2)
Re:The real question (Score:5, Funny)
Robots to auto-post to Slashdot?
Re:Yuck (Score:2)
Drivers need to know that it's a privlidge, not a right.
That said, anyone whose had their license for 3 months and gets a speeding ticket, gets their license suspended for the next 3. And then the cycle repeats. Do it 3 times, and you lose it for a year.
I can't count the number of times some retarded kid with his girlfriend in the seat next to him, has cut me off in traffic, forcing me to panic stop or swerve out of the way, eithe
Re:Yuck (Score:3, Insightful)
Seriously, though, I think the driving tests need to be 10x harder. If half the people failed them, the roads would be a whole lot safer and more pleasent.
Re:Yuck (Score:4, Insightful)
Traction control and anti-lock brakes both can accomplish feats that the best driver on the planet Earth couldn't accomplish, given that they are modulating their input thousands of times per second, absolutely optimizing power/braking and acceleration. They aren't necessities, and you could approximate them, but don't fool yourself into thinking that you could do a better job. If you claim otherwise, then I'd suggest that you should have relay wires installed in your dash to let you handle the spark timing yourself as well.
Where technology has just finally offered a better choice is in transmissions: Until recently the "standard" was always the superior driving choice, as the automatic options were hydraulic circuitry turds often with 3 gears. Now there are continuously variable automatic transmissions that achieve the absolute perfect coupling between power plant and road surface all of the time. Alternately the computer controlled 5 or 6 speed automatics are quite extraordinary now as well.
Re:Yuck (Score:2)
I'm thinking this wouldn't be such a great idea on everyday roadways. The point of traction control and ABS isn't so jackass drivers can run around like rally racers. Why would you even mention that? That is the stupidest example i've yet read. The point of ABS and ETC are to head off the consequences unpredictable accidents and road hazards before the driver has to. Both have sa
Re:Yuck (Score:2, Insightful)
I hear people say this, and I wonder if they've ever even seen a modern engine.
Granted, I can't fix a broken engine computer. Luckily, engine computers are solid state devices that almost never break. Other than that, what can't you fix about a new car? You can still change water pumps, do brake pads and rotors, change clutches, replace power steering pumps, alternators, ball joints, etc, etc, etc, same things you
"progress" inevitable, feedback loop (Score:2)
Cars are getting more automated and automatic all the time. So people become lousier drivers, and the car companies will take this to mean MORE automation. At the rate we're going they'll put the cars on autopilot. You just tell 'em where to go and the car will take you there. Whether you like this or not is kind of besides the point ... crappy drivers will necessitate this kind of driving, and soon people will become so soft they'll prefer it. Maybe along the way there will be some not too subtle hint
Re:Sounds good (Score:3, Funny)
It can, but nobody wants to type man headlts.