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DVD Player With DVI Output 355

ffierling writes "Why are there no big name DVD Players with digital video outputs? With all the available digital displays (LCD, plasma, DLP, etc) and the obvious benefits of an all-digital connection, it's easy to conclude the threat of litigation from copyright holders is holding up the big name manufacturers. So how is it V Inc. can sell their Bravo D1 DVD Player with DVI output? Are they below the MPAA's radar, or just quicker to market?"
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DVD Player With DVI Output

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  • by BiggerIsBetter ( 682164 ) on Monday July 21, 2003 @09:53PM (#6495860)
    Not anymore...
  • maybe (Score:2, Insightful)

    by ArchieBunker ( 132337 ) on Monday July 21, 2003 @09:54PM (#6495875) Homepage
    because I want to watch movies on a 35" tv and not a 17" LCD thats comparable in price to a 93 honda civic.

  • My prediction (Score:2, Insightful)

    by $calar ( 590356 ) on Monday July 21, 2003 @09:55PM (#6495877) Journal
    Get it while it lasts, whatever your motive is, because it is only time before this becomes controversial. I'm surprised that the company is willing to risk it. I'm sure the EFF is on their side, which is a great thing.
  • by WIAKywbfatw ( 307557 ) on Monday July 21, 2003 @10:02PM (#6495922) Journal
    To add an extra output a manufacturer has to incorporate additional technology, redesign circuitry and the backpanel, test the whole setup, etc.

    This isn't a fantastic amount to do - after all, this is probably a minor upgrade to most manufacturers - but it is rather pointless if 99.99 percent of your target audience won't even know what the port can be used for, let alone actually use it.

    And why spend the time and effort incorporating an $5 (for argument's sake) upgrade if it makes next to no difference on how many units you'll sell? Right now, that $5 pe4r unit is lost profit in what's already a very cut-throat industry.

    As DVI is a fairly new development (at least to the average home electronics consumer) it'll be a while before there's a major demand for DVI outputs on DVD players, etc. Gradually though, the major manufacturers will add DVI support, initially at the top of their ranges, then later throughout their catalogues.

    In the end, it comes down to supply and demand. Right now, there's very little demand for DVI support. But you can bet the farm that by the time there actually is critical mass demand for DVI support it'll be there across the board.
  • Re:Market Demand (Score:5, Insightful)

    by BiggerIsBetter ( 682164 ) on Monday July 21, 2003 @10:04PM (#6495945)

    No, that's the problem with cartels like the MPAA. People with often accept "good enough" if their preferred features are too hard.

    MPAA makes it too hard for consumers to get region free DVD players (yes Geek Boy, your PC will do it just fine with DeCSS), and even out-of-region DVDs are very hard to find off the shelf, due to their strongarm tactics against stores renting them. Most folks will just go and rent something in-zone from their local, and play it on the DVD player they bought locally too.

    I think your free-market faith is a little misplaced. Traditional market forces don't really apply when the market is essentially controlled by one supplier.

  • by psoriac ( 81188 ) on Monday July 21, 2003 @10:06PM (#6495956)
    Until a large percentage of TV's start having DVI input, DVI output for consumer grade DVD players (or any other video player) is pointless from the economic standpoint.

    In addition, component optical output is already far and away high enough quality to render the need for DVI moot.

    The only TV-class displays that I know of which feature DVI inputs are flatpanel LCD and some flatpanel plasma displays... which are far more expensive than I can justify when compared to a comparably priced rear projection or CRT set.
  • Well well well (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 21, 2003 @10:23PM (#6496052)
    I suffer from a disease known as Munchausen syndrome by open proxy. It causes me to accept stray network packets, and purposely inject crc errors, just to get the NAK attention that I crave. But this is no worse than suffering from the affliction that ffierling struggles against. We read that since there are not (yet) many DVI capable dvd players, "it's easy to conclude the threat of litigation from copyright holders is holding up the big name manufacturers."

    Easy if you're a paranoid tin-foil hat wearing geek, that is. Absent from ffierling's conclusion is a factual foundation. He's twisted facts to suit his theories.

    It does not take a great deal of effort to imagine where there are not (yet) DVI capable players on the market. First among them is the economy. People aren't buying fancy schmancy toys, and in the DVD market in particular, low-cost players rules the roost. In other words, the focus in the industry has been to compete on cost, no features.

    A second reason that comes to mind is that, well, not many people want to shell out the monies for a DVD player with DVI capabilites. But now that DVI displays are catching on, that's going to change. The chicken had to wait for the egg to show up first, if you will.
  • Why (Score:5, Insightful)

    by heli0 ( 659560 ) on Monday July 21, 2003 @10:58PM (#6496229)
    SGtHT did a review with a couple of DVD players using DVI. Their conclusion: for 480p it just doesn't matter.

    When DVD's are 720p or 1080i, then it may.
  • by evilviper ( 135110 ) on Tuesday July 22, 2003 @12:14AM (#6496595) Journal
    The MPAA still does exert some control here

    That is incredibly understated.

    For you to make a DVD player, you have to get permission to use CSS. For you to get permission to use CSS, the MPAA can make you sign any sort of contract they want, or you don't get to use CSS legally. That's all there is to it.

    I don't think there is any "threat of litigation" keeping DVD players back, I believe it much more simple and direct than that.
  • by evilviper ( 135110 ) on Tuesday July 22, 2003 @12:24AM (#6496639) Journal
    DVI is an all-digital video connection standard, that supports optional encryption!

    Kind of like how DVDs support "optional" encryption? ...let me know when you find one without...

  • by Admiral Llama ( 2826 ) on Tuesday July 22, 2003 @12:39AM (#6496683)
    It would probably be worth noting that Samsung has started making a name for themselves with having the good stuff first. The 931 is actually their second DVD player with DVI out. The first one was a bloody pile of money for a DVD player, but it existed a year ago.

    Oh, and if you're out and about, be sure to check out Samsung's DLP rear projection TV. It's head and shoulders above the other rear projection sets out there. It doesn't really have any of the downsides of the normal rear projections TVs (glare, burn in, viewing angle), while it has the positives of a plasma (super bright and clear picture, small size).

    Their remotes still suck though.
  • Re:sweet (Score:4, Insightful)

    by tetro ( 545711 ) on Tuesday July 22, 2003 @01:30AM (#6496839) Homepage
    Wouldn't be easier to just rip a DVD from a DVD-ROM with some software (that's free too). There's less hassle IMHO.
  • by scot4875 ( 542869 ) on Tuesday July 22, 2003 @03:35AM (#6497307) Homepage
    I have yet to see a single tube or projection based television/monitor offering DVI input.

    You haven't looked. The Toshiba 34HDX82 I just picked up has one. Sony's latest widescreen Wega also has them. Pretty much all of this year's widescreen HDTV models that I looked at a month ago had them.


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