Linux Powers First Handheld Software Radio 161
An anonymous reader writes "According to this article at LinuxDevices.com, Vanu Technology is demonstrating what it claims represents the world's first handheld 'software radio' using an iPAQ PDA running Linux at a conference in Washington DC today. Vanu apparently has implemented the signal processing functions on the iPAQ's XScale processor, and their software uses POSIX APIs to make it platform independent. Software radios implement multiple radio standards and frequency bands in software, rather than hardware. A standard iPAQ expansion pack houses the radio transceiver."
So when can I get it for my Zaurus SL-5600? (Score:2, Offtopic)
Re:So when can I get it for my Zaurus SL-5600? (Score:1)
Re:So when can I get it for my Zaurus SL-5600? (Score:2)
Call me old fashioned... (Score:2, Insightful)
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Re:Call me old fashioned... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Call me old fashioned... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Call me old fashioned... (Score:3, Interesting)
This would have many uses in the high-end radio communication field. Although I'm not sure anyone really needs a handheld version...
Re:Call me old fashioned... (Score:3, Interesting)
Although one of the little whiz-bang demos of software radio generally involves tuning two FM radio stations or something at the same time, there's nothing particularly unique about a software-defined radio that makes it possible. Couple the right wideband receiver with the right circuts to do some off-center modulation and you could build an analog radio that would tune a couple stations at the same time too.
It's simply a question of how much bandwidth you can tune s
Re:Call me old fashioned... (Score:3, Informative)
Get with it, dude (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Call me old fashioned... (Score:2)
Re:Call me old fashioned... (Score:5, Insightful)
You're looking at this from the wrong level - this thing still has all the hardware to receive RF, the funky thing is that the radio demodulation/modulation et al is programmable. At the band's this is running at, it's not so interesting, but once you get up to 900MHz (and later at 2.4GHz+), you essentially have a device that can communicate with any RF device on its supported bands.
What this means (in the future, with 2.4GHz+ capable devices) is that one device (be it your PDA, mobile phone, PCMCIA card) can be a GSM phone, can be a CDMA phone, can be a 3G phone, can be a CB/commercial/police radio receiver, it could even be used for 802.11b or Bluetooth. The possibilities for software radio are mind boggling. Linux is really irrelevant in the scheme of things, it's essentially just used to bolt the stuff together - it's the underlying technology that is impressive.
Re:Call me old fashioned... (Score:5, Funny)
And the short length of time your batteries will last will boggle the mind even more. Using a general purpose CPU to do all of that comm stuff would use many times more power then dedicated ASIC's. To find out how much this would suck, insert an 802.11b card into the PC Card sleeve on an iPaq, do a constant ping, and run an app that utilized 100% cpu.
Re:Call me old fashioned... (Score:1)
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But I think your casual dismissal of the relevance of open source is misguided. In a closed source environment where a single vendor controls vast swaths of the market, there's little incentive to innovate in disruptive ways. This is a disruptive technology as it would potentially make many incompatible pieces of equipment irrelevant. While it could technically have been done in any language I would not say tha
Re:Call me old fashioned... (Score:4, Insightful)
For example, with software radio, cell phone manufacturers can make the guts of one phone and sell it in every market in the world. Equipment providers can make one cell phone tower, and use it everywhere. Wanna upgrade to a new standard? No problem. Distribute new software to the handsets and base stations and you're done. Imagine being able to roll out a new protocol to take advantage of just-made-available spectrum instantly.
Your one cell phone could act as a wireless ethernet adaptor, a bluetooth adaptor, an FM radio, an AM radio, a VHF radio, whatever! The promise of this technology is incredible.
Re:Call me old fashioned... (Score:1)
I doubt that's likely to happen with a software radio (being that it would be hacked within minutes). Free airwaves for all, again!
Re:Call me old fashioned... (Score:2)
Cost (Score:4, Informative)
irony (Score:2, Insightful)
Now we are using a processor with many million transistors to take the place of a single transistor radio. Anyways, this is a cool accomplishment, with or without a practical application.
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You could over simplify just about anything. "We went from satellite, to cable, back to satellite." The differences are more numerous than the similarities...
One of the concerns (Score:5, Interesting)
Someone corect me if I am wrong, but couldn't the transceiver be built with hardware filters on those bands and thus sidestep the issue of broadcast interference? I know this is not as nice as having a fully programmable software radio transmitter, but otherwise I really don't see the FCC granting any kind of production licensing for these.
Anyone else have solutions to this dilemma?
Re:One of the concerns (Score:5, Insightful)
I sure do, off-shore production and smuggling operation. If I want to wreak havoc and chaos it is my god given consitiutionally protected right to do so.
Ahem... Excuse me, what I ment to say was that it's only a tool. You know guns don't have special attachments on their sights so you can only shoot in-season game. Hold the user responsible, not the maker or the tool.
Re:One of the concerns (Score:2)
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Re:One of the concerns (Score:2)
First of all, I have never seen a gun that was designed to shoot only one type of target or a narrow range of targets, ala todays hardware dependent frequency generators for transmittors.
Second, if such guns had existed, do you really think that we would have the freedom to use them the way we do now? I mean seriously, no manufacturer would design the weapon to shoot month old babys, right?
Just a little food for thought. FYI, I don't condone restriction o
Re:One of the concerns (Score:2)
I have. [masterdist.net]
Yeah - it's call the FCC (Score:3, Insightful)
Yeah - it's called the FCC and includes the process of type acceptance for a manufacturer to sell or even advertise radio equipment.
Anyone can purchase a transmitter or two-way radio and begin transmitting without a license on top of legit communications.
This is an old problem with an old solution. Do a 'net search for "Riley's Hammer" ...
For an example of this in action see fcc.gov [fcc.gov]
Re:One of the concerns (Score:2)
One of the huge benifits of software radio is that we no longer need restricted bands. The infrastructure we have in place will take a while to adjust to this, of course, but it will happen, and then this will not be a problem.
Re:One of the concerns (Score:2)
Translated:
This is really cool. Can't we cripple it to protect existing interests?
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But.... (Score:4, Funny)
Is it a real "plus" ? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Is it a real "plus" ? (Score:4, Funny)
Lets not get carried away. Theres NO way Stallman will fit in the box.
Re:Is it a real "plus" ? (Score:3, Insightful)
The advantage is that someone can post code on the internet for things like super fine tuning, rms, ta, or catching international stations. Then you just download it and BAM, you have a radio with that feature.
You can download cellphone code, or beeper code, or video-cellphone code, or SMS, or GPS, or a radio controller
reminds me of my old heath kit (Score:1, Offtopic)
Re:reminds me of my old heath kit (Score:2, Informative)
thanks for a new vocab word too ;)
Re:reminds me of my old heath kit (Score:2, Informative)
Re:reminds me of my old heath kit (Score:2)
What's that got to do with the price of cheese?
Re:reminds me of my old heath kit (Score:1)
I haven't seen one available for VHF/UHF until now. I'm sure someone will correct me though.
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Hmmmm....so does this mean..... (Score:2, Funny)
so listening in on cop band and other unautorized channels could be a few lines of code away then...
nah too f***ing good to be true.some biatch with a herfgun come along and take it out anyway*continues daydreaming*
Re:Hmmmm....so does this mean..... (Score:2)
Too bad all the fun stuff (phones, cops, etc.) are mostly digital now.
Re:Hmmmm....so does this mean..... (Score:1)
Re:Hmmmm....so does this mean..... (Score:2)
Yeah, software will allow listening on any freq, but who cares if all you hear is digital white noise...
CF version? (Score:3, Interesting)
just a poor geeks dream...
Re:CF version? (Score:2)
unless i'm way out of the loop
Re:CF version? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:CF version? (Score:2)
Expansion pack (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Expansion pack (Score:3, Informative)
not just an fm receiver... (Score:5, Informative)
next privacy issue? (Score:4, Interesting)
The current configuration of the device is said to support commercial analog FM radio services, including Family Band Radio as well as the public safety APCO 25 digital standard, with future prototypes under development that will include operational capabilities of up to 900 MHz and support for cellular and PCS standards such as TDMA and GSM.
With such a huge frequency range under its belt and the fact that it's all process via software all it needs is some voice recognition software [sourceforge.net] and it could become the ultimate scanner/big brother toy. Simply put, you enter a few key words, and it scans the airways for you looking for them until it finds them and either logs it or tunes you into it. The NSA has had stuff like this for listening in on international call, but I don't know if I like the idea of my neighbour being able to selectively listen in on my calls especially with such power...
me->Hi I'd like to buy blah
staff-> will that be Visa or MasterCard
me-> Visa...
person with smart scanner->Chaching!
Re:next privacy issue? (Score:2)
Re:next privacy issue? (Score:4, Informative)
First off I'd like to see you make a pcs decoder for $0.30 seeing that its a digital signal.
Secondly, its not scarier in software per say... but rather the automation that can be done. Just like spammers can send out millions of emails each night with a few machines hooked up to the net, so too can this make it too easy to use. With just a few scanners automatically looking over the 49 Mhz (old cordless), 900 Mhz cordless, 800Mhz cell phones, PCS standard frequencies such as TDMA and GSM and any other private band increases the odds of finding something... Now mount this into a truck and drive it into a residential location or a really busy business location and poof.. with a twenty of these little babies with voice recognition aided scanning they could easily scan airwaves looking for potential targets... Its bad enough one person may be able to listen in... Its another once things get automated. You run a much bigger chance of being on the receiving end of privacy invasion.
To drive my point in... say these things (all numbers are fictitious to illustrate point) end up costing 40 bux in parts each. Now, somebody with a clue with the potential adds keyword voice recognition scanning (which includes a vast amount of freely available information to aid this just like the link I posted in my post) to the software so they can listen in and start recording once they find a specific keyword.
Now the scary part..
A typical $1000 PC say can handle 10 of them per machine...that's $1400 to scan 10 channels at a time. You add 10 PC in the back of truck for 14000 and you can scan 100 channels at time for useful information... if there's nothing on a particular channel say somebody hung up, it could always hunt for open channels... So they guy with this truck parked on the street in the middle of wall street drinking his latté now has all the inside trading information that he wants and retires with such a small investment.
Technology is a great thing... but with such power the old saying applies. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Re:next privacy issue? (Score:1)
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Re:next privacy issue? (Score:3, Interesting)
Funny.... I've had reliable keyword recognition since way back in '95 via my P133 and IBM via voice on OS/2 and the Mwave dsp addon board. Keyword isn't that big of a deal (relatively that is) if your selected vocabulary is relatively small. Keyword voice recognition is an almost solved problem and is used often from automated phone systems with amazing accur
Re:next privacy issue? (Score:1)
Besides, GSM was implemnted properly and the channel is considered open to eavesdropping. So all communications are cyphered with a session key, negociated with the network.
Re:next privacy issue? (Score:3, Informative)
Unfortunately, that key takes Here is a page talking about it: both A5/1 and A5/2 are trivial to crack - probably significantly easier than receiving the radio signal itself!
ISTR France insisted on limiting GSM's crypto strength; at the time the standards were being written, their crypto laws made US export restrictions seem positivel
Re:next privacy issue? (Score:2)
Frabkly that's a bit bleeding heart liberal, isn't it?
We'll use this to spy on foreign nations and corporations and make sure they're not stealing our secrets.
And if we do a little insider trading, that's only fair given that we - American taxpayers - have to bear the financial burden of doing all this spying.
Re:next privacy issue? (Score:2)
Aargh!!! Hot button alert!
It's per se, not "per say"!!!!
Re:next privacy issue? (Score:2)
Re:next privacy issue? (Score:1)
To get the whole range from 0 to 2.4GHz or so sampled, you would need to be sampling at above 5Giga Samples per second (GSPS). Realistic sampling at least today is closer to few 10s of MSPS. Instead,
Re:next privacy issue? (Score:2)
Certainly in the UK the insecurity of analogue systems came very much to the fore with a few high-profile scanning incidents, one of which involved a rather saucy conversation between Prince Charles and his lover [ohnonews.com]
Re:next privacy issue? (Score:1)
huh ? you want to find out what's in your evening meal ?
So this doesn't count? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:So this doesn't count? (Score:3, Insightful)
Nope.
This article is about a fully programmable communication device. Listening to the radio is just one program. Load up a different program and you have a cellphone, or a beeper, or a TV, or a wireless access point, or a CB.
Just doenload a new program off the internet and it becomes a garage door opener if you want.
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The point is... (Score:4, Insightful)
You guys are all missing the point. If you have a software radio you have something that is inherently able to adapt to the spectral environment that it currently "sees". Develop logic that deals with interference, and you've eliminated the concept of management bands and spectrum management agencies. You've essentially automated the process that these agencies seek to fufill, and you've eliminated the politics, lobbying mechanisms and the grip that the old world broadcast industry has on the raw resource that should be essentially free for everyone to use.
Some people may argue that you've taken revenue (licensing) away from central government. That is true. But my belief is that Central Government should be focussing on developing innovative smart technology rather than maintaining archaic processes. Revenue through process rather than red-tape.
Are radiowaves the electromagnetic equivalent of GNU bandwidth?
Check here [stanford.edu] and here [reed.com] for clue.
somewhere in texas, a village is missing it's idiot
Useful for "first responders"? (Score:2)
Might using software radios introduce a new risk for emergency workers? Might the software include a security hole vandals or terrorists could use to disrupt all the emergency services radios at once?
Winmodem of radio (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Winmodem of radio (Score:2)
One day, noone will care that 10% of the CPU is spent on software radio.
In general you're right, but I would point out that in order to be truly successful, SDR must be workable on a mobile, battery-powered device. We're a far cry away from that now. Battery time is not mentioned in the article and it's no wonder -- the demo IPAQ probably runs for less than 30 minutes on battery in radio mode (a pure guess, YMMV, etc).
Also, I would point out that although the XScale (at least the variant that I'm
Tungsten T would be better (Score:2)
This way:
a) It wouldn't hog 100% of your CPU... you'd actually be able to, you know, DO STUFF while listening to the radio
b) You wouldn't hose your whole battery in virtually no time. The C55x has a WAY better power/mips ratio than XScale, not to mention you're going to use way less mips in the first place by virtue of it being a DSP that's a
Re:Tungsten T would be better (Score:1)
My thoughts on the Tungsten C? VERY nice machine, a little cheap feeling (plastic case VS metal, as they did with the T and other Palm models), wonderful features, but lacking a microphone (has 2.5mm earbud /mic jack). The screen and processor are WONDERFUL, but I feel that the software just hasn't been tuned to this much power yet. Things s
Patent it NOW! (Score:2, Insightful)
Its not the first... (Score:3, Informative)
Besides which, GSM mobile phones typically use they're processing power to allow them to do fast frequency hopping, etc.
Re:Its not the first... (Score:2)
SDR has been done, but not this small (Score:2, Interesting)
The interesting part of this is that it was built into a hand-held computer for the first time, and the practical implementation means that any new radio service is a software upgrad
Get 4... (Score:2)
winmodems all over again? (Score:2)
Sure it'd be able to adapt to newer standards but I really don't want my cpu time wasted with host based encoding/decoding, especially if it turns out I need a proprietary driver to do so.
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According to Vanu, unlike traditional hardware radios, which are limited to one specific type of communication service, "software radio" technology enables a single wireless device to implement multiple radio standards and frequency bands, thus eliminating the ened for multiple hardware radios when communication with multiple radio services is required.
Check the local hardware shop. A hardware with comparable functionalities is very expensive. I'm sure the manufacturer has targeted this specific market segment correctly.
Compare it with a home-use radio is just like comparing a professional camera with an instant-camera.
Re:PCI Card for computer? AM Too? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:PCI Card for computer? AM Too? (Score:3, Informative)
That's the one redeeming quality of computers over every other electronic device, at least they are adequately sheilded. You will probably get more interference from your TV set than you computer.
Re:PCI Card for computer? AM Too? (Score:2)
here's the press release (Score:1)
Washington, DC - May 12, 2003 - Vanu, Inc. is demonstrating the first hand-held software radio device today at the "Wireless Innovations: New Technologies and Evolving Policies" Showcase in Washington, DC. The event, hosted by the Commerce Department's National Telecommunications and Information Administration, the FCC and the U.S. Department of State's International Communications and Information Policy group, brings
Re:PCI Card for computer? AM Too? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:PCI Card for computer? AM Too? (Score:1)
Re:PCI Card for computer? AM Too? (Score:3, Funny)
Yup :-) (Score:3, Interesting)
This is a software-defined-radio PCI card.
Re:Transceiver? (Score:1, Informative)
You've misunderstood the type of radio here. It has a transmitter so it can be used as a walkie-talkie or a cell-phone, which use the radio frequency spectrum although they are not "radios" in the layman's use of the term. The transmission power can be very small because it only needs to reach a base station which has a huge recieving antenna, or another walkie-talkie within a normal walkie-talkie range. There is no indication in the article that the tiny
Re:second post (Score:1)
Why was this modded as a troll? He's entirely correct! Was it just the silly-assed sig you didn't like?
Instead of forking out $50+ for a radio card, I can spend half that for a nice little FM radio and not waste system resources. The only time I can see a radio card as practical in a computer is for something like a software controlled shortwave receiver, where precision tun
Re:does it do DAB? (Score:2, Interesting)
Besides, £100 gets you a pretty capable DAB receiver [nevada-radios.co.uk] here in the UK (if you're lucky enough to find one in stock), and I'd guess that the add-on card for the PDA costs at least that much.