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1.8TB Of Disk Space In A (Semi-)Normal PC 455

zdzichu writes "A friend of mine is building a personal server. He bought 17 of the cheapest IDE drives available and used Linux' LVM to get them together. The result? Almost two terabytes of disk space in regular x86 PC. The most juicy part - photos are here. For an operating system, he first tried the enterprise-ready PLD Linux Distribution, later he reinstalled Slackware Linux." Update: 03/01 20:24 GMT by T : I'm sure that should be "drives" and not "drivers" :)
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1.8TB Of Disk Space In A (Semi-)Normal PC

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  • Amazing (Score:2, Funny)

    by dirkdidit ( 550955 )
    He bought 17 of the cheapest IDE drivers
    Technology has come so far that we now have disk space on drivers! Simply amazing. :-)
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 01, 2003 @04:22PM (#5414412)
    anthrax.ds.pg.gda.pl

    That sounds like one mean perl script. First post?
  • When Microsoft's Terraserver was the talk of the town with its massive map database and accessibility..
    • LMAO! YES! I recently went to tour Full Sail here in Orlando (*cough* scam *cough) and they were like 'If you look beind you that server has 3 terrabytes of storage" and I said "Umm.. my home computer has 200gigs.. i'm SO not impressed!"
      • Re:I fondly recall.. (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Cramer ( 69040 )
        If that's 3TB of SCSI storage, then it might be note worthy. But it's certainly not a 6 o'clock news event.

        Why is this news anyway? I, personally, have built (and sold) several 1TB+ "PCs" over the last few years. 1.8TB can be done with a half dozen drives these days. (for the cost of *2* large SCSI drives, even.) Heh, I could fit that in a 25$ mini-tower case.
  • by doomdog ( 541990 ) on Saturday March 01, 2003 @04:24PM (#5414424)
    Only 5 posts and the link is already dead. Maybe he should have bought 17 NIC cards instead :-)
  • Won't last long (Score:2, Interesting)

    by dattaway ( 3088 )
    It will only take a month for a cablemodem connection to fill them up.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 01, 2003 @04:25PM (#5414434)
    I can almost hear the sound of 17 ide drives grinding to a halt.
  • Slashdotted (Score:5, Funny)

    by semaj ( 172655 ) on Saturday March 01, 2003 @04:25PM (#5414435) Journal
    A friend of mine is building a personal server.

    I'm not sure I'd use the word friend after this. I hope he's not paying for his bandwidth! :-)
  • for you to post his server's address here. It's already slashdotted... just goes to prove that gobs of disk space won't help your web server's resilience to massive ammounts of requests.
    • No, no, no.

      Before it goes into production, he wanted to do a stress test. And what better way to do one of those than to get linked from the front page of Slashdot?
    • For those with any emotional attachment to the guy- "!!! THIS IS NOT MY SERVER !!! " is indicated on the bottom of the page (I must have managed to get it pre- /. effect)... So thankfully his drives won't be causing a smoke effect large enough to fill a stadium... For what it's worth the only picture I managed to download looks like three great big sticks with a couple of hard-drives on top of each other in between the sticks (look something like a surreal altar to the god of IDE Drives). Not exactly enthralling to me (obviously not got enough of a life). And the question that really must be asked (Budha may have the answer)- space is as good as it's content... Maybe he could run a server to help the poor sods affect by the /. effect...
  • Controllers? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by stevenbdjr ( 539653 ) <steven@mrchuckles.net> on Saturday March 01, 2003 @04:27PM (#5414442) Homepage

    Damn, /.'ed already...

    Anyone that actually saw the site know how he hooked up all those drives? I'm guessing motherboard IDE, motherboard RAID, and three PCI IDE cards. Wow, talk about IRQ hell.

    • Hardly, I have onboard ATA33, onboard ATA66, a PCI SCSI card, and a PCI ATARAID card, and I can use them all at once. Don't need to (SCSI HD and CDRW, and system on ATARAID), but it all works.
      • Oh, I'm not saying it couldn't be done, I was just flashing back to the days when juggling IRQ's via dipswitches or jumpers was an art. Nothing like interupting your music playback everytime you moved your mouse!

        I guess, though, you also have to take into account everything else a system would have. A standard, onboard IDE controller uses 2 IRQ's. Onboard and add-in RAID uses 1, NIC, USB, firewire, sound, legacy ports, all use 'em. Thank god for IRQ sharing.

    • Re:Controllers? (Score:5, Informative)

      by Anonymous Freak ( 16973 ) <anonymousfreak@nOspam.icloud.com> on Saturday March 01, 2003 @04:38PM (#5414515) Journal
      Okay, with PCI, you shouldn't have to deal with IRQs. If they don't work right, just put them in different PCI slots (also be sure to read your motherboard's manual for it's interrupt routing first.)

      Second, 3Ware, and a couple other companies, make 12-drive ATA RAID cards. So one of those, plus onboard ATA would reach 16 drives. Or, a second ATA RAID controller would allow an additional 4, 8, or 12 hard drives without resorting to the onboard ATA. For a max of 24 drives without using onboard ATA. (In my personal server, I have 8 10GB drives on an ATA RAID card... They're in dual 0+5, for a whopping 60GB of space, but it's fast, and reliable. Someday I'd love to upgrade them all to Maxtor 300GB drives, but I'd need a new RAID card in the process. [and a large fortune.])
  • by dgrgich ( 179442 ) <drew@NOsPaM.grgich.org> on Saturday March 01, 2003 @04:28PM (#5414446)
    . . . I hear Debian's next distro is going to be on 42 DVDs.
  • I mean, am I the only person for whom the disk space/memory/processor speed pissing contest is rather dull?

    I am much more interested in what interesting things people do with computers, not how tricked out their computers are.

    • Go into your preferences, and put a check box beside 'hardware'. You'll never see one of these stories again.
      • I mean, am I the only person for whom the disk space/memory/processor speed pissing contest is rather dull?

      Uhmm... Let me see. hmmm... uhmm... no, he's interested, so is she, and over there, yep, and everybody in Europe, China, rest of Asia, Africa, check, yep, all interested... Oh, wait, South America... Yep, all interested. US, rest of North America... hmm, Surely someone is Canada not... nope, they're all interested, too. I know! That guy who reads /. from Antartica. Nope, he's interested.

      Yep, you're the only one.

      • This isn't just an article where someone put together a powerful system.

        It's where they put together a powerful system...cheaply. Using those little rails looks like an interesting solution. And I'm always interested in ways to get more for less...
    • I mean, am I the only person for whom the disk space/memory/processor speed pissing contest is rather dull?
      I am much more interested in what interesting things people do with computers, not how tricked out their computers are.

      Yes, but I think it would be even more dull, if Slashdot would report what geeks are doing with their computers. There would only be news about geeks watching pr0n all day long.

    • I find trivial stuff like case modding rather insipid, but this is genuinely cool. Two aspects - One, if you saw the pictures, you would appreciate the guy building his own external mounts for all the extra hard drives and power supplies. Two, I didn't know about the linux LVM before and now I do. I may have a use for this feature...
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 01, 2003 @04:28PM (#5414450)
    You can get 8 of these and make 2TB easy. Most computers support 4 anyway, so another controller for 4 more would be no problem. Sure, it'd cost you a bit, but hey, it's 2TB!
  • Man... (Score:5, Funny)

    by terraformer ( 617565 ) <tpb@pervici.com> on Saturday March 01, 2003 @04:28PM (#5414453) Journal
    I'm glad to see he added a few extra power supplies. When I first read 17 drives in one std PC all I could think of were 34 power cable y splitters daisy chained together.
    • Re:Man... (Score:2, Funny)

      by satterth ( 464480 )
      Yeah, but did you see how he mounted those extra power supplies.

      I looks like he just siliconed them to some metal brackets. Ghetto mod for sure.

  • This sounds really cool, but knowing the way quality has dropped on "consumer" drives, I'd put this in a 1+0. I'd deal with .9 TB for data protection, expessially on 1 year warranty drives.

    I know this'll pull out the SCSI bigots, but the only reason SCSI is good these days is cause they're tested for longer times (disk media is better quality).
    • Re:My opinion... (Score:2, Interesting)

      by dotgain ( 630123 )
      Exactly. When you think about it, if he doesn't have any redundancy, he's seventeen times more likely to suffer a disk failure than anyone else with one drive.

      I can't begin to think how you'd come back up after losing a drive in a concatenated R^HAID. Whoops, no R if it's not redundant eh?

      I'm actually quite glad I'm not sitting on 1.8TB of data, and I don't intend to in the near future.

      If he does mirror the drives, I wonder if his mobo will be the bottleneck..?

      • IDE RAID has all the RIAD 5 scsi features. It can easily recover from a bad disk.

        I wonder how much this would cost scsi wise. (shudder)

        • Re:My opinion... (Score:5, Informative)

          by Fulcrum of Evil ( 560260 ) on Saturday March 01, 2003 @05:50PM (#5414999)

          I wonder how much this would cost scsi wise.

          Figure a 72G 10K rpm SCSI disk at $500 times 20 + 4 spares = 12000 for the disks. Then figure that a raid controller runs $500 - $2000 and add a large hot plug chassis and you're looking at $15k. However, You now have hardware supported RAID at up to 400MB/s sustained and all of those drives are covered by a 5 year warranty. The 4 spares are just insurance against a supply problem down the road. Of course, you need to buy you disks from different lots (5 per dealer perhaps) to minimize the effects of a bad lot. Yeah, SCSI is expensive, but you get better reliability.

  • Mirror... (Score:4, Informative)

    by terraformer ( 617565 ) <tpb@pervici.com> on Saturday March 01, 2003 @04:33PM (#5414488) Journal
    here. [terranovum.com]
  • Feel free to give my server a royal slashdot pounding: http://home.centurytel.net/mraymer/slash/ [centurytel.net]

    In closing, I'd just like to say, it will never cease to amaze me what some men will do for their pr0n. Err, I mean, sharing a lot Linux distros in p2p networks? ;)

  • by darkov ( 261309 ) on Saturday March 01, 2003 @04:36PM (#5414500)
    The most juicy part - photos are here.

    ...who was disappointed to not find nearly two terrabytes of pr0n at the other end of the link?

  • Large Disk Arrays (Score:5, Interesting)

    by JWSmythe ( 446288 ) <jwsmythe@nospam.jwsmythe.com> on Saturday March 01, 2003 @04:38PM (#5414514) Homepage Journal
    We've done this before, but usually just go with arrays.. It's easy enough in a regular PC.. My prefered way to do it is, get something like the Promise UltraTrak SX8000, and put 8 200Gb IDE drives in it.. If you do RAID0, that'll give you 1.6Tb.. If you do RAID5, it'll give you 1.4Tb.. Linux sees it as a single SCSI drive. It's a lot cheaper than getting a whole bunch of SCSI drives.

    With 8 250Gb Maxtor drives, he could have 1.75Tb per array. :) Then he could use the same method to append them to each other.. Whoohoo.. Imagine 14 of those arrays chained together, and let Linux append them to each other.. 24TB.. :)

    I'm curious. What did he use to allow him to put so many IDE drives in the same machine? Off the top of my head, I believe he can use PCI cards that have 2 IDE controllers on each, allowing 4 drives.. Did he have 4 of those, plus the onboard IDE controllers? The pictures are going really slow to load..

    I have a server now, that has 8 120Gb IDE drives, with a Promise internal RAID card, which works ok.. It freaks out under load though, so I don't recommend that. We don't use it for a web server any more. It's just a backup machine now, with 840Gb storage. :)
    • by slamb ( 119285 )
      My prefered way to do it is, get something like the Promise UltraTrak SX8000, and put 8 200Gb IDE drives in it.. If you do RAID0, that'll give you 1.6Tb.. If you do RAID5, it'll give you 1.4Tb

      Ugh! Don't do RAID0 with 8 drives! With RAID0, losing a single drive means the whole array is all but worthless. (Hard to get data off with one in eight chunks missing...) I think the longevity of a single drive is a normal distribution with a mean at its MTBF. If I remember my statistics, that means the combined MTBF is just the MTBF of a single one divided by eight. Don't divide your reliability by eight!

      The RAID5 is a much better solution, since it can handle a single drive failure with no problems. The odds of two drives failing at the same time are really low. So as long as you are prompt about replacing failed drives, you can't go wrong.

      • Re:Large Disk Arrays (Score:3, Interesting)

        by nbvb ( 32836 )

        The RAID5 is a much better solution, since it can handle a single drive failure with no problems. The odds of two drives failing at the same time are really low. So as long as you are prompt about replacing failed drives, you can't go wrong.


        Except that performance blows.

        And it gets worse when (not if, but WHEN) a single disk fails. Parity recalculation is EXPENSIVE.

        RAID0+1, or RAID 10. Mirror that stuff, don't look back.

        And egads, seriously, 2 drives per IDE controller? Performance has to be in the toilet already.

        Just buy a damned XServe RAID [apple.com] and be done with it.
  • by lavalyn ( 649886 ) on Saturday March 01, 2003 @04:38PM (#5414516) Homepage Journal
    If accumulating 1.8TB on a "consumer-level" PC is feasible, are the Linux LVM code and filesystem drivers ready to take on the 4TB barrier?

    In kilobyte blocks, 2^32 blocks only allows for 4TB of data to be referenced. ext2 still has options to set for 1024 byte blocksize, and supports up to 4096 - which would be a 16TB barrier.
    • The block devices in 2.4 kernel can't go over 2TB right now. It's fixed in 2.5, but I don't know if they are going to backport or not.

      We have run into this barrier at work several times. With large ATA arrays, it's getting almost trivial to amass 2TB+, so I sure hope this gets fixed post-haste.
  • by glowurm ( 518048 ) on Saturday March 01, 2003 @04:42PM (#5414530)
    MIRROR HERE: http://crazyserver.150m.com [150m.com]

    Enjoy!

    PS: Sorry for the banner ads, it's a free server.
  • Precarious setup? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by lawpoop ( 604919 ) on Saturday March 01, 2003 @04:42PM (#5414531) Homepage Journal
    If anyone saw the pictures, his setup looks awfully precarious.

    He has 1 normal PC case, 2 homemade stands for the drives, and one more homemade stand for additional power supplies.

    The stands with the drives look like they could topple with a moments notice! Why did he put them at the top...?

    I think it would be better to mount as many power supplies and drives in 2 additional cases, with the shells removed. Might be a problem with IDE cable length; maybe you could do 2 next to each side the the master computer.

    The setup. [iwaynet.net]

    • Re:Precarious setup? (Score:3, Informative)

      by Soko ( 17987 )
      If anyone saw the pictures, his setup looks awfully precarious.

      He has 1 normal PC case, 2 homemade stands for the drives, and one more homemade stand for additional power supplies.

      The stands with the drives look like they could topple with a moments notice! Why did he put them at the top...?


      I agree. It would have been better engineered with 2 power supplies at the bottom of each tower, providing a more solid base for the disks. I'd of made the towers far shorter as well - perhaps even turned them sideways.

      I think it would be better to mount as many power supplies and drives in 2 additional cases, with the shells removed.

      That would be expensive, and would also make heat an issue. The setup he has allows for passive cooling - even a case with the shell removed would trap more heat. Heat can lower MTBF - not something to do with IDE drives. A proper external disk case would make even more sense, as most come with fans and cooling.

      Might be a problem with IDE cable length; maybe you could do 2 next to each side the the master computer.

      Now you know one of the reaons why SCSI is king for servers - it's meant to be used both internally and extrenally. I've used 10' long, high quality SCSI cables to attach external disks to servers in my time without issue. As well, you can have 14 disks per SCSI controller - not possible with IDE.

      It's a nice hack, even if it had design issues, though.

      Soko
    • If I were to do something like that, I would definitely build a custom case or find a case meant for that kind of thing.

      It also doesn't look safe as I don't see any data redunancy being done on Linux. With over a dozen drives I'd say the risk of data loss is pretty high.

      I'm not sure if that many power supplies are needed either, but I don't know what recent drives take. The hard drives I have in my system draw maybe ten to fifteen watts, so even with a 100% safety margin, a 200W power supply should supply nearly seven drives. The best thing I can think is startup draw, having so many drives start up at once might be bad, but I figure that the safety margin should handle it.

      I don't see a backup method in that picture either. No redundancy and no backups. It looks like an interesting proof of concept project but not one that I would entrust hard to replace data to.
  • Think he might have been better off with half the drives and 3 times the ram. Never have I seen a site get slashdotted so fast.

    Have to wonder how cheap 17 100GB drives could be? I think of a relatively cheap 100gb drive as running around $90.00 (US). Which would make it very much on the pricey side for your average user.

    Seems like you could just buy a DVD-RW and keep all yer porn on handy little disks, while having enough $$$ left over to go on a major bender, or upgrade the REST of your computer.

    Kudos for the sheer weight of it though. (Both literal and figurative.)

    Just my 6.32070 Drachmae worth
  • Imagine the power goes out. When it goes on again, fsck time ! Weee, here we go for a couple of hours :)
  • You can get a hardware IDE RAID controller from 3Ware [3ware.com] right now that supports serial ATA (the model 8500 [3ware.com]) in 4, 8, and 12 channel varieties or parallel ATA in the same capacities (the 7500 [3ware.com] series), and install commodity disk drives. The hardest part about this is getting a chassis with sufficient power and cooling capacity to handle all the drives.

    It looks like running 12 Western Digital "Drivezilla" [wdc.com] 200GB drives ought to give you somewhere around 2.0TB of storage (taking into account the bullshit mathematics of hard drives). At Pricewatch prices, I see about $3,500.00 tied up in the drives and the controller.

    Whoopy shit.

  • by bigberk ( 547360 ) <bigberk@users.pc9.org> on Saturday March 01, 2003 @04:49PM (#5414574)
    I've set up a mirror here [pc9.org], but decreased the quality on the images to hopefully prevent destruction of my site ;)
  • hmmm, 17 of the cheapest IDE drives....

    Hope that crisis counselor [slashdot.org] over at that data recovery place is ready for one heck of a call in about 12 months.

    Not that I'm a SCSI fanboy, but if he's buying the cheapest IDE drives I hope he's also planning to invest some money in one of these [storagetek.com] or something. I'm pretty sure that regardless of what he's putting on there, he'd be disappointed to lose that much data. I mean, imagine the amount of time you would have to invest to collect that much warez and porn.
  • by Jugalator ( 259273 ) on Saturday March 01, 2003 @04:58PM (#5414628) Journal
    I just found it funny in a geeky sort of way how he enters commands at the prompt (last picture on the page) like "ls" in the wrong directory and "cd.." without a space. Then he seem to give up and just run Midnight Commander instead. :-)
  • Who needs this space.

    Before you answer porn consider how much money this array cost and how much money it would cost to actually *pay* for the xxx dvd's.

    Most of the kazaa is crap anyway and transfer rates are terrible. It seems there a few mpg's that people like and the other %95 are wasting space and are terrible. For the few good movies and lots of garbage that you actually pay for with the expensive hard drives, you could save money and not be a criminal by just buying the good dvd's. Sure we all hate the RIAA/MPAA but pornographers have not been assholes as of yet and do not deserve to be ripped off. After all the stigma sucks for pornstars and they at least deserved to be paid for their horrible jobs.

    I need to focus on school so I purposely took out the ethernet card( internet addiction) and deleted most of my porn. I have so much space free it is silly. Even when I was on kazaa I had close to 10 gigs free. I use another 20 gig drive for Linux/FreeBSD and that is the only reason why someone would want a large hard drive. Its easier to buy too small ones to make dual boot life easier.

    • After all the stigma sucks for pornstars and they at least deserved to be paid for their horrible jobs

      Well, you have to suck to get stigmatized. The real hit on mainstream porn has been amateur porn from overseas. Round up a few starving Belarussian girls pay them what is in their eyes a king's ransom, then take the digicam back to your iMovie-laden iMac and 1,2,3 you are a porn magnate.

      If you ever thought Jenna Jameson was getting exploited (which is a tough sell), you haven't seen shit until you see this stuff. Obviously frightened women getting grovel shagged by overweight dudes from Valley Stream who kick 'em back to the cold with 50 bucks and a case of genital warts.

      Wait, all you Libertarians, no they have no choice. You gotta keep the lights on somehow. Wait, all you Free Marketeers, go back and actually read Adam Smith. He warns against shit like this, particularly white slavery.
      • by willis ( 84779 )
        I agree -- this is a disturbing trend.

        I'd imagine, though, that the bulk of women who are tapped for this are already in the market as prostitues (it makes sense -- there are usually established ways for outsiders to find prostitutes, and I would guess the only differences between the two are that the action is being recorded when it's for porn).

        This isn't to say that it makes it OK, etc, but if, say, all of them are willing prostitutes (of reasonable age/education, not economically coerced or otherwised forced), that does narrow the scope of the exploitation by a bit.

    • Before you answer porn consider how much money this array cost and how much money it would cost to actually *pay* for the xxx dvd's.

      Eh? Who said anything about porn? Maybe this guy wants to mirror linux/BSD isos or other software, docs, other websites, etc. You can never have too many mirrors, after all. Or maybe it's just a fun project. It would be nice if not everyone jumped to the conclusion that this guy is setting this all up for some grand warez site or what have you. At least I hope so, anyway.
    • Yep, let's do that (Score:3, Informative)

      by Kjella ( 173770 )
      1800gb / 0,7gb dvdrips = 2571 DVDs
      2571 * $20 (at least, here) = $51428

      What? Unfair comparison? Well you're comparing with an extreme machine. Maybe kazaa sucks, I don't use it. But at my uni there's no problem getting more movies than you'll ever see, mostly in quality DVD rips by ripgroups in a matter of an hour or less per rip. Not that it makes it right, but if you want me to do a pure financial estimate less moral costs, rips win hands down. That's not a troll or a flame, that's a fact. Even if you factor in the chance of getting caught and fine, it still wins hands down. And no, having a client running in the background of my machine isn't really costing me much time, it's a fire and forget thing, check back later.

      Kjella
  • by g4dget ( 579145 ) on Saturday March 01, 2003 @05:05PM (#5414657)
    Well, the site isn't responding, so I'm going by the summary... generally, tying a lot of drives together with LVM is not a good idea: in most cases, when any one drive fails, the entire "logical volume" that it is a part goes bad. And with 17 drives, one of them is bound to fail pretty soon.

    If you need a really big file system spanning a lot of drives, use some form of RAID. Using LVM for spanninng volumes is mostly a band-aid, if you have run out of space and desparately need some additional space right now.

  • by Anonymous Coward
    TechTV did this in XP last year...

    Like 8 IDE drives, 1TB+ on XP.

    This isnt news
  • Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
    /dev/lvm/site 1.8T 33M 1.7T 1% /test


    I love it when 17967MB can be considered rounding error. That's more space than I have on my whole computer!
  • by John Jorsett ( 171560 ) on Saturday March 01, 2003 @05:06PM (#5414667)
    Back in the early '70s, I recall reading a proposal for this multimillion-dollar centralized storage server on the Arpanet. Called The Terabyte Memory Project (as I recall), it was going to be this facilty hooked to the Arpanet for use by anyone needing large amounts of storage (not free- they'd have to pay for using it). It was going to use tape as the storage medium, since the hard drives of the time were the size of washing machines, stored just a few tens of megabytes at most, and were enormously expensive. I remember wondering what people were going to use all that storage for. I look forward to seeing what the hell we're going to be throwing on to our multi-petabyte drives a relatively few years from now. The day's fast coming when we'll be able to record every moment of our entire lives in HDTV-quality on a single drive. I wonder how many people will?
    • The day's fast coming when we'll be able to record every moment of our entire lives in HDTV-quality on a single drive.

      Five or ten years ago, it certainly seemed that way and I would have agreed with you. But, the reality is that as storage space has increased and gotten less expensive, the software and file formats have grown to match and consume the space. Programs get more and more bloated everyday because storage and memory are plentiful and cheap so, programmers no longer make an effort to keep their code small. The same holds true for the file formats. 10 years ago, a one page word processing document required 2 to 5K. Today wordprocessing documents regularly go to a couple of hundred K and a few "choice" documents can be over a meg.

      Sadly, instead of fitting our entire lives on a massive and inexpensive disk, we will need a terrabyte sized disk just to hold our favorite office suite.
  • All of the mirrors show only pictures. There's absolutely no writeup about what kind of drives are used or anything.

    Does anyone know where the writeup is about how this was done precisely, e.g. with what kind of case, drives, and at what cost... (For example, how does it compare to a super-redundant xraid solution from Apple?)

    Thanks.
    P.S. I enjoyed the bottom of the last picture:

    Filesystem Size Used Avail
    /dev/1vm/site 1.8T 33M 1.7T
  • This makes me remember this post [iu.edu] on linux-kernel where Milan Roubal ask for help with breaking the 10 IDE devices "barrier":

    ide9 at 0x5068-0x506f,0x5062 on irq 12
    ide: at 0x6020-0x6027,0x6016 on irq 12
    ide; at 0x6018-0x601f,0x6012 on irq 12
    so ":" and ";" isn't ideal, hdparm dislikes my devices hdx and so on. Now I would like to try more than 20 ide devices in one computer and I would like to hear about any system solution of this real problem to me.

    (emphasis added)

  • HighPoint makes a 4-Channel IDE controller that supports RAID 0, 1, 0+1, and JBOD.

    Maxtor makes 250GB ATA disks as well.

    With 3 controller cards, 6TB (before formatting) is possible. With LVM, you could manage a single volume nearing 3TB in size. Without it, you could have three 2TB volumes, striped, in hardware. Or three 1TB volumes striped and mirrored.

    That's a lot of stinkin' space!

    Cost? $300 for 3 controllers, about $7000 for drives. Plus, oh, a few power supplies. Figure $8,000, $8500 with a box to hook it up to.

    $8500 for 3TB, fault tolerant, is cheap.

    -----
  • Bandwidth? (Score:3, Informative)

    by TheRaven64 ( 641858 ) on Saturday March 01, 2003 @05:19PM (#5414733) Journal
    From the pictures, it seems like these are all sitting on a 32-bit 33MHz PCI bus, with a maximum throughput of 133MB/s. My drive, which is getting a little old now, can sustain 20MB/s. Assuming that he's using some kind of striping / mirroring, rather than just plain concaternation, and assuming he gets the same throughput per drive I do, he's going to be needing almost 3 times the bandwidth of the PCI bus. A 66MHz or 64-bit PCI implementation would be less of a bottleneck, but I can see everything else on the PCI bus grinding to a halt when he accesses the disk array. Assuming he's using a PCI base network interface, this isn't exactly what you want on a server...
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Just wondering.
  • Why... I remember the first time I saw a PC with 1 TB... it was on The Screen Snickers... with Patrick and Leebo.

    You either get it or you don't. If you don't, watch more TechTV :)

  • But on a much smaller scale.

    (4) 120Gb Maxtor UDMA/133 drives from the local "megamart" computer store (Best Buy in the NW) for $89/each (after mail-in rebate, of course). Cost (after rebates) $372.00 (Had to pay the state sales tax, sigh, Washington sucks sometimes!)

    (1) Promise SX4000, 4-Channel hardware RAID-5 controller that can handle UDMA/133 drives. Cost = $145.00 from you favorite PriceWatch merchant. Free shipping, no tax.

    Slap it all together, format, viola - 360Gb of redundant space for a total of $517.00

    My big concern was long-term backup - I opted to go with a DVD-R/+R Sony drive. Drive ran $350 at the local office supermart (Plus that d*mn sales tax = $381.10

    100 4x capable DVD-R discs were $1.61ea via an online source. 4.7Gb/ea, a total backup capacity of 470Gb. Cost = $161.00, not tax, free shipping.

    Drives: $372.00
    Controller: $145.00
    DVD-R/+R: $381.00 (Could have gone with the cheap one for $199, but wanted the dual-capability)
    100 DVD-R discs: $161.00

    Total cost = $1059.00
    Total capacity = 360Gb (RAID-5)
    Backup time = 15m per disc, ~20h for 360Gb (swapping discs sucks, but sure beats paying tape backup prices)

    What is the space used for? Try DV video editing sometime and tell me how far you get with a 40Gb drive in your machine.
  • by Phouk ( 118940 )
    I know this is a really square question, but somebody's got to ask it: Why? For most "serious" server uses, you'd probably want a setup that's a little bit more reliable, with RAID, redundant server power supplies etc. So, if you had that kind of storage capacity available for private use, what kind of applications would it open up?
  • by Eric Smith ( 4379 ) on Saturday March 01, 2003 @06:18PM (#5415187) Homepage Journal
    I think my approach to that would have been to get a tower case with between nine and twelve 5.25-inch bays, then use three or four of the raid cages that fit five 1-inch tall 3.5-inch drives into three bays:

    AMS DK-035A [amselectronics.com] (ignore the Ultra SCSI reference on that page, the A suffix is for ATA), available for $159 from Central Computer [centralcomputer.com]

    I just set up an eight drive RAID using one of those, and one 3-drive-in-2-bay version, the DK-023A [amselectronics.com] ($119 from Central Computer). That way eight removable trays fit in my 5-bay 4U rack mount case.

    I used a 3ware Escalade 7500-8 RAID card [3ware.com] rather than Linux software RAID, but there's no reason why it wouldn't have worked with software RAID. I just couldn't find a "dumb" eight-port ATA-133 card. (And I like the 3ware cards.)

    I initially tried to use Serial ATA, using the Promise SATA150-TX4 4-port Serial ATA controller [promise.com] and some Highpoint RocketHead 100 Serial ATA adapters for the drives. The Highpoint web site claims that the RocketHead 100 is not available for sale as a separate product, but lots of retailers including Central Computer seem to have them. The cabling was *much* nicer, but to make the SATA150 work with Linux a binary-only driver was required, so I decided not to use it until there's a driver available in source form.

    I thought about using the 3ware Escalade 8500 [3ware.com], which is the Serial ATA version of the 7500, but there's quite a price premium, so I decided to stick with parallel ATA for now. Maybe next year I'll set up a bigger RAID using Serial ATA.

  • AH HA! (Score:3, Funny)

    by ellem ( 147712 ) <{moc.liamg} {ta} {25melle}> on Saturday March 01, 2003 @08:25PM (#5415835) Homepage Journal
    First there's all that fruit all over the room
    Then there's that bloody goop in the food processor
    Finally there's the Windows box peeking out from behind the dresser!

    Come on people do I have to spell it out for you?
    Don't you see what's going on?
    Oh the humanity!
  • Big deal (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Dynedain ( 141758 ) <slashdot2 AT anthonymclin DOT com> on Saturday March 01, 2003 @09:09PM (#5416021) Homepage
    I was just at the local computer swapmeet today...and saw 250GB drives for $280 (US).

    I have a raid motherboard....so...
    2 primary IDE chains x 2 250GB drives
    2 raid chains x 2 250GB drives

    WOW.... 2TB.....whoopdeedoo...that was hard
  • by acidmaple ( 157586 ) on Saturday March 01, 2003 @09:47PM (#5416147) Homepage
    Did anyone notice what looks to be panties hanging off of the radiator in the fifth [pg.gda.pl] picture? I realize that this is a little off topic, but it always makes me happy to see some female underwear strewn about a hardcore geeks computer room. ;) There may be plenty of other explinations for them, but in my heart... I pray for all of us!

  • drive letters? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by harlows_monkeys ( 106428 ) on Sunday March 02, 2003 @12:13AM (#5416793) Homepage
    Yeah...I know I should just go look at the source, but I'm lazy. Since Linux names IDE drives hda, hdb, etc., anyone know offhand what it does if you have more than 26? What comes after hdz?

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