Intel To Redesign PC With "Grantsdale" Chip 309
MarkRH writes "Over at ExtremeTech, we tracked down some Intel roadmaps that discuss "Grantsdale", Intel's most important chipset in nearly a decade. Grantsdale brings PCI Express to the PC, so get ready to toss out your motherboard, AGP graphics card, and maybe a host of other components, too. Also check out our articles on the "Tejas" microprocessor, Intel's first CPU to forego pins (check out the waffle iron socket!), as well as the real reason Banias saves so much power."
Big deal (Score:5, Insightful)
Since when can you upgrade to a new generation CPU and not have to replace the motherboard?
Jason
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Re:I hope APPLE uses this chip! (Score:2, Insightful)
wow! let's add this into an apple! then what will we have.
uhhh. G4s at the same speed, using a different chipset.
Did you RTFA?
Re:Not necessary (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:PCI Express effect on graphics cards (Score:5, Insightful)
I doubt this holiday season will be any big break for PCI Express. Remember when PCI was introduced? Roughly around the time of the first Pentiums. You can still buy motherboards with ISA slots...
It looks like PCI will be supported in some way, but it's almost up to a motherboard manufacturer to come forward and say, "OK, we're only going to support one PCI slot, so figure out what you want to keep, now."
The same applies here, the transition won't happen over night. There is lots of stuff which runs just fine on the bandwidth that PCI has to offer. You will have to decide what to keep, but I'd say that years from now.
Forced Obsolecense? (Score:2, Insightful)
I just see this happening.
Hey. So you want a new sound card? Great! What? You only have regular PCI? I'm sorry we only have it in PCI Express. No worries. We offer this brand new Intel board and chip and ram that will solve your problem. Only $1,200!
What am I missing? I hope I'm missing somthing =/
Bloody tricks! (Score:4, Insightful)
Not that I hold this against them or anything; if in the end it increases battery life, that's a Good Thing. I just wish they wouldn't hype up their new processor as being so great, when really there isn't much more improvement over the PIII.
Nice (Score:2, Insightful)
I can't wait until I have no choice but to buy some hardware that's not compatible with anything I might possibly already own. What's even cooler is that I get to do my part and add my obsoleted hardware to our local dump.
P.S.: It would be nice to get the computing companies to do a bit more in the way of reuse. I don't think it's a good idea to use until there's no more, and then just move on to a new resource.
</rant>
Re:hmmm (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Nice (Score:3, Insightful)
And your hardware will be compatible for years to come. Legacy interfaces linger for a LOOOONG time.
Cost implications ? (Score:2, Insightful)
The price to upgrade could easily reach $1200 US for early adopters.
I don't see much of a problem with the PCI slots as the majority of current modern systems have a lot of components onboard already, such as LAN, Sound, Video etc.
I guess the safe bet is they'll include 2xPCI slots which should be enough for most peoples purposes.
Re:PCI Express effect on graphics cards (Score:3, Insightful)
Oh I'm sure they do, it's just they make more money this way.
Re:Big deal (Score:3, Insightful)
If they're going to hold the basic architecture steady for at least a few years this is going to be quite handy, but if each iteration is going to require a general upgrade to properly utilize the new speed and features anyway. .
The motherboard manufacturers like to see a steady upgrade cycle too you know and it almost always comes down to "gut the case" and hope a few cards are still usable.
KFG
first to forgoe pins? (Score:3, Insightful)
What's Obsolete? (Score:4, Insightful)
We shall not forget that, as any other enterprise, Intel's business is to make MONEY. Cutting edge technology is just a plus...
It's in their best interest to push forward the their latest family of products. This is how Intel works and obsolescence is carefully planed by them.
It's up to us, as consumers, to set the pace and not get swept by the low-tech fears. An upgrade is really only necessary when your PC performance gets in the way of you doing your usual tasks.
Therefore, we must keep in our minds that obsolescence is dictated by our needs, not by theirs.
Who exactly is in the PR/Graphic/Ad Design Dept at (Score:3, Insightful)
Not being Apple bias, but you have to hand it to Apple Computer's PR/Design/Ad/Graphic Design Departments. They even get press for what they name variations of the operating system. It's not goofy either. Jaguar and all the promotional material has spawned the entire design industry into using animal prints, especially Jaguar.
However? (Score:2, Insightful)
Ohh, for I/O and power ! I thought they would be used for..... umm... Well, that's about all they can be used for. Why does that sentence begin with "However"?
Re:Joy of joys (Score:4, Insightful)
I thought that was what serial ATA [explosivelabs.com] is supposed to do.
Re:Has anyone upgraded from Athlon to Athlon XP? (Score:3, Insightful)
Actually thinking about it, every time I've upgraded CPUs, I've gotten a new motherboard - even though it wasn't really necessary every time. There's always either something else the new boards support that I "gotta have", or my mother's computer is getting old and she wants my old board.
By the time I start to feel like my XP1600 is slow, I won't want to just buy a 3000 and slap it on this board, even if I can. I'll want a new board with DDR2, Serial ATA, and FireWire. CPU upgradability is overrated, IMHO.
How could PCI Express possibly be a benefit? (Score:3, Insightful)
PCI spec is 133MB/s, which is hardly a marked improvement. 16-bit ISA, by contrast, was barely 16MB/s.
If I am to believe the theoretical numbers for AGP, then PCI Express as a graphics bus makes even less sense:
AGP 1x = 264MB/s ( 66.6 mHz, 64-bit )
AGP 2x = 528MB/s ( 66.6 mHz rise and fall, 64-bit )
AGP 4x ~ 1GB/s ( 66.6 mHz - 4 strobe, 64-bit )
AGP 8x
What in the hell do we need a PCI replacement for that has zero potential for handling enormous video bandwidth as well as or better than AGP?
What in hell do we need a PCI replacement for that doesn't even utilize the PCI-X or 64-bit, 66MHz PCI already being pushed for servers? Not to mention that fact that any device that can push the bandwidth of PCI is already available in one of the above formats, who wants to build yet another model for PCI Express?
Honestly, if you need to find emerging technologies, just look to the server path. Intel has always been about trickle-down, this move doesn't make any sense.