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MeatWad writes
"Sony has announced the SJ33 Palm OS 4 model with a high res color screen and mp3 player for $299. At the same time the FCC has leaked info on the next Palm OS 5 Clie with bluetooth and an integrated keyboard called the TG50. Sony can sure crank out the cool gadgets."
The article mentions an mp3 player (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:The article mentions an mp3 player (Score:2)
Where in hell are you getting this? I didn't see it in the articles. Besides, you can get Memory Sticks up to 1GB right now. Did you misread something?
He's half-wrong... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:The article mentions an mp3 player (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:The article mentions an mp3 player (Score:1)
Re:The article mentions an mp3 player (Score:2)
Really? [apple.com]
Re:The article mentions an mp3 player (Score:2)
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Re:The article mentions an mp3 player (Score:5, Informative)
256MB and 512MB memory sticks will be coming out this Spring but they will be bank-switched (i.e. a mechanical switch will let you choose which 128MB of RAM you want to use).
Pretty lame.
Re:The article mentions an mp3 player (Score:2)
And are called MS Pro, and are incompatible with the new handheld, as clearly stated in the article.
Re:The article mentions an mp3 player (Score:2)
The SJ33 uses standard memory sticks although the device doesn't come with one.
The Sony audio player can play MP3 files and ATRAC files from a Memory Stick.
So the parent post sounds wrong about the 4MB stick.
--sex [slashdot.org]
Re:The article mentions an mp3 player (Score:2)
No it isn't. The 4 MB is the size of the flash ROM. I don't think I have ever seen a memory stick smaller than 8 MB anyway. This PDA uses a standard memory stick slot.
Re:The article mentions an mp3 player (Score:2)
It has 16 MB of internal RAM (of which 15MB are available) and 4 MB of flash ROM.
I never saw any mention of a memory stick, so it probably does not come with one. Since you can pick 128mb up for about $30 on techbargin.com and devsdeal.com, I wouldn't worry about too much.
puck
Re:The article mentions an mp3 player (Score:2)
Re:The article mentions an mp3 player (Score:2)
No blame on you.
To be a little bit more constructive.
The largest "classic" Memory Sticks are available to up to 128Mb, the larger ones are already Memory Stick Pro (or Memory Stick Select).
AFAIK, the size limitation is not inherent in the technology of the Memory Sticks (the controller is on the stick). It is probably more a problem of usability (low data-transfer) of the classic sticks.
The Memory Stick Pro features a parallel controller, which twentyfolds the theoretically bandwidth. This new controller makes the new Stick incompatible.
The Clie NX and NZ series and some Vaio notebooks are (or will be) compatible with the Memory Stick Pro format, after a software upgrade.
This begs the question, why won't the SJ33 be compatible with the Memory Stick Pro?
Do they produce some retro-version of Memory Stick-controllers for the new SJ33?
Memory stick - about more than the apps (Score:3, Interesting)
Also, I use my Clie to listen to mp3's since I pretty much always have it on me anyway. Again, a large memory stick is important for this functionality.
As far as size, 128 mb is starting to get small, but a Sony MS is about the same price of all the competition's flash so I don't really complain. It will be nice when they start releasing the larger sizes, however.
puck
Not two, but three.. (Score:5, Informative)
scared of getting slashdotted? (Score:5, Interesting)
"Especially formulated for slashdotters"
Boo... Hiss... (Score:2)
Re:scared of getting slashdotted? (Score:4, Insightful)
Is this the end... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:scared of getting slashdotted? (Score:5, Funny)
but hey! at least we can actually read the article!
Re:scared of getting slashdotted? (Score:2, Interesting)
Instead of just targetting visitors with referer=slashdot.org, the server should detect an abnormal surge in visitor-per-minute and load up the lightweight version of the site.
Shouldn't be that hard to make...
-- Tino Didriksen / ProjectJJ.dk
MORE Interesting: SONY HANDHELD WIFI FILESERVER!! (Score:2, Interesting)
Sony's Wi-Fi equipped pocket Web server [www.sony.jp]:
GadgetWatch identifies [japaninc.net] (and offers an English explanation of) a Wi-Fi-enabled portable fileserver! Nifty. 70,000 yen.
Re:scared of getting slashdotted? (Score:2)
FCC?! (Score:2, Insightful)
Is this new or do I just not pay attention to stuff like this? Too bad the CIA doesn't "leak" stuff too . . . *sigh*
Re:FCC?! (Score:3, Informative)
If the documents are not pulic info, then the FCC needs to get to know the ins and outs of a little document called the NDA.
www.nilepoc.com
Re:FCC?! (Score:1)
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Re:FCC?! (Score:5, Interesting)
Comment removed (Score:5, Funny)
Block your referer (Score:2)
There you go: no referer.
Re:Block your referer (Score:2)
2. Start browser
3. Paste URL into address bar
There you go: no referer.
Re:Block your referer (Score:2)
I thought step three was "Profit!!!"
Re:Damn it, they're resisting! (Score:3, Interesting)
Heck, this functionality should be built into anything using mod-perl, PHP, ASP, etc. to redirect visitors to a static mirror of a page.
Re:Damn it, they're resisting! (Score:3, Funny)
DMCA. (Score:5, Funny)
atto
Cool Gadgets at a Price (Score:2, Interesting)
-Foxxz
Re:Cool Gadgets at a Price (Score:1)
Re:Cool Gadgets at a Price (Score:2)
I also paid $100 for it, with a car kit. Yeah, I could have probably found something a little cheaper online (I bought it at WalMart) but I'm really picky about user interface, and I wanted to be able to take it back if I hated it.
So, even though I'm biased against Sony electronics in general, this is a nice piece of gear.
Re:Cool Gadgets at a Price (Score:2)
My dad has one of Sony's amps that seems to die at the faintest suggestion of a lightning strike (yes, it's behind a good surge protector).
But, on the third hand, I've got a 17" Trinitron monitor that will certainly be the last CRT I buy.
No cell? (Score:5, Insightful)
So here I am with my 4 year old BlackBerry - with the integrated keyboard and old chromatic screen - running off of the obsolete Mobitex pager network...and it does about 90% of what I want to do when I'm away from the office - mail and calendar. No it doesn't have a built in camera - no it doesn't pick my nose or wash my car - but it does exactly what it claims. The best part is, I feel safe leaving it around my daughter.
There's no winning in this game. Palm is dying. PocketPC is too complicated. RIM is obsolete. Symbian sucks.
Re:No cell? (Score:2)
Re:No cell? (Score:2)
Someday someone will make a palm os 5 color handheld with bluetooth, sdio, infrared, and headphones, and i will buy it.
You mean like the Tungsten T [palm.com]?
Is Amazon [amazon.com] OK?
You will have to supply your own headphones. Let me know if you'd like some recommendations.
Re:No cell? (Score:2)
Re:No cell? (Score:2)
Re:No cell? (Score:2)
Re:No cell? (Score:2)
Compatibility issues? WTF? I've written Palm software that runs flawlessly on Palm OS 2.0 right up through 5.0, on a wide variety of devices. (I tell users up front that it doesn't work on 1.x, which was a design choice.)
If there are compatibility issues with Palm software it's because the authors of that software are ignoring Palm's own compatibility guidelines. It's a shame, yes, but don't blame Palm because third party developers can't read documentation that's freely available.
I dislike all handhelds and probably always will (Score:2, Insightful)
1. The display is too small.
2. The input devices are too inconvenient/cumbersome.
Unfortunately, fixing either problem in a handheld would defeat the killer app of the handheld: portability. This is why I'm waiting for the device that uses a display that's directly connected to my optic nerve and uses neural-impulse-driven input. Am I right in thinking that this is the logical evolution of personal computing? And we think security is a big deal today. Heh, just wait until I can hack into your optic nerve!
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Memory Stuck (tm) (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Memory Stuck (tm) (Score:2)
The thing I like about MS over compact flash, though, is its size. It is about half the size, and with all these tiny devices coming out, I think that is a real advantage. Plus, its easier to fit a bunch of the memory sticks in my cases than compact flash.
As far as functionality, they are pretty much equivalent now. The only real differences are available memory sizes (compact supports largers sizes currently), form factor, and supported devices. Speed may be another, I hear the MS works faster, but I don't know that for sure.
puck
Re:Memory Stuck (tm) (Score:2)
Re:Memory Stuck (tm) (Score:2)
Memory Stick 34.99 [amazon.com]
Chances you'll pay more because Sony usually has the coolest products. I'm not a fan of proprietary memory, but sometimes the Sony products are just too compelling to pass up.
Re:Memory Stuck (tm) (Score:2)
Re:Memory Stuck (tm) (Score:2)
And I doubt the $4 is the licensing fee. According to memorystick.org [memorystick.org], the licensing fees to develop a memory stick product are 500,000 Yen/year (about $4,000) with no running royalty.
Sony Ericsson 3G Phone (Score:5, Interesting)
It'll be quite interesting to see if and how Sony merges their PDAs with their cell phones. Perhaps this one hints at their future strategy.
SOMEONE seems to be getting a clue (Score:1)
What about syncing cross platform? (Score:1)
So anyone have any idea if I could sync this on my mac? what good is accepting a standard such as bluetooth if you can't sync on all sorts of different platforms? I heard there is some third party software you can use to sync your clie... will it work with bluetooth on the mac?
Anyone that has any insight into getting this working on platforms that don't include windows post a reply- I doubt i'm the only one who's curious.
Re:What about syncing cross platform? (Score:1)
My Palm IIIx still works fine thanks (Score:3, Insightful)
I think most users buy these new(read:expensive) PDA's thinking of all the cool things they can do and then over time just end up doing the basics. There are definitely some really cool features on the new PDA's(wireless etc), but before you go blowing $300-$500 on the lastest and greatest consider if you really need those features and if a mini-notebook(more capabilities) or used Palm(just the basics) might serve you better.
BTW anyone else have their car buried in a 5 foot snow drift.
Palm and GPS? (Score:2)
But do they work well together? If I use the CF slot for the GPS can I no longer add memory those maps will want so much?
Should I just hope to get the Garmin Palm device [garmin.com] (which is not out yet) before I travel this spring, and hope it lets me use third party maps?
And what about those GPS tabs? It looks like at least some of them need to be factory serviced in order to switch between WAAS [faa.gov] and Europe's experimental equivalent of EGNOS [pocketgps.co.uk].
Help a fellow electronics fetishist!
Re:Palm and GPS? (Score:2)
But Garmin has excellent maps available for Europe, so just budget another $100-$200 for them.
RIAA suggested screen change (Score:2)
Still not interesting enough for me to upgrade.. (Score:2)
But what I find strange is that ever since I had my IIIc I've been saying that the only reason I'd upgrade is for a cellphone/palmOS, highres screen, removable storage device. So when are those idiots in marketing going to allow R&D to make one!?
Ultimate PDA (Score:2, Informative)
- MP3
- Expandable storage
- Color
- keyboard
- Cellphone
- some type of belt clip/holster
- flat rate for internet service
- OS: Palm or WinCE. Most would probably prefer Palm
- Nice to have webcam
One could pair the new Sony TG50 with the Sony T68i [amazon.com] cell phone [free with rebates] with built in bluetooth. However, the limited factor here is T-Mobile doesn't offer a flat rate for internet service. Personally, I don't want to be constantly worried about going over my usage limit.
Or you can wait for the new Hitachi [infosync.no], but the size is pretty big and who knows how much the service plans would cost. If through Sprint and they have a similar rate as the Treo 300; very promising! As long as you can get over WinCE
There is also the Sidekick [amazon.com] which I almost bought. Thankfully I decided to swing by compusa first to take a gander at the size. The thing is a brick! What is really cool is that you get unlimited internet access for the first year and you can do some cool hip logging [hiplog.com] which also includes support for sending small pictures. Very inticing, but the product is just way to big, is grayscale and seems to have some serious bugs as a cell phone [doesn't ring!]
My plan was to wait and wait for this magical all in one device. However, I need a cell phone and I finally bit the bullet and got a Treo 300 [amazon.com] It lacks expandability so I could never use it as a mp3 player, but it will suffice until the next series of Treos are introduced. With the unlimited flat rate for internet access how could I go wrong? Not to mention you can use it as a wireless modem [notifymail.com]
I think the cell phone/pda market is definately going in the right direction and I hope by the end of the year, there will be quite a few products out there that I can label as an "ultimate pda".
One small note. The Palm Tungsten W will include many of these features, but in order to use it as a cell phone, you must plug in the headset. This is just retarded. Imagine getting a phone call and having to fish around to plug in your headset?
Lets just hope that the new Treo's are build on PalmOS 5.x and will include expansion [mp3!] Shortly there after, you should see my Treo on ebay for a good price.
Re:Ultimate PDA (Score:2)
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Re:Ultimate PDA-retarded headset? (Score:2)
Handhelds v Gameboys v Graph Calcs v Cell phones (Score:4, Interesting)
Nintendo has been pretty consistent about generating a portable device with one clear and strong purpose, and at that it has been extremely successful.
Alot of these products I see coming out try to do lots of things--in a mediocre way. Without a clearly defined market, these are pretty much "cool gadgets" for people with loose cash. I don't see people using one handheld device to do 20 different things.
Are these companies experimentally sticking things together in combinations just to see if they'll sell? What I would rather see is companies spending more on generating killer apps with strong and focused purposes. (comme the Blackberry)
When people buy cars with DVD players, they're don't hop in to them when they want to watch movies. And it's great that my Palm can play mp3s, but I'll stick to my 20gig iPod.
Yup. (Score:2)
My thoughts exactly. [slashdot.org]
Alot of these products I see coming out try to do lots of things--in a mediocre way. Without a clearly defined market, these are pretty much "cool gadgets" for people with loose cash. I don't see people using one handheld device to do 20 different things.
Trust me, you're not the only one with this opinion. A Recent Wall Street Journal article touched on this very same thing. The article noted that what may work in Japan for phone sales and assorted (software or hardware) accessories, won't necessarly work in the rest of the world.
Dolemite
Re:Handhelds v Gameboys v Graph Calcs v Cell phone (Score:4, Informative)
I do think there would be be a market for an inexpensive combo device that's a combination iPod, cell phone and organizer, though. It would be nice to cut down on the number of gadgets you have to carry around, and the organizer's display (and OS) would come in handy for manipulating playlists on the jukebox. Unfortunately, I don't think we're quite at the point where such a gadget could be offered for a reasonable price (under $300), but by this time next year, who knows.
If Apple were smart, such a gadget could be their next killer consumer product. Do they still own the Newton OS?
Re:Handhelds v Gameboys v Graph Calcs v Cell phone (Score:2)
But since Apple just outsource the OS for the iPod, who's to know they won't just license PalmOS for such a combo device?
Re:Handhelds v Gameboys v Graph Calcs v Cell phone (Score:2)
Convergence doesn't necessarily produce poor versions of each individual device, it just makes that a much more likely case, but with something like MP3s, simple games, and of course, organizational and real work, there's just enough CPU power and memory that any hand held can do these properly, the only thing it would lack would be storage space for MP3s.
sony keyboards (Score:2, Informative)
Now I have Treo. Even though overall it is not so good as Clie, it have very usable keyboard (stolen from blackberry I heard).
So, if keyboard is important for you - look at Handspring Treo.
Dragonball CPU? (Score:2)
The SJ33 upgrades the SJ30's 33MHz processor to the 66MHz Dragonball Super VZ running Palm OS[...]
Who in their right mind would name a Processor after a crappy TV series? And even more disturbing, who would want to own one??
A: Hey, nifty handheld. What's it runnung?
Me: Ya know, Palm OS4 and it's got a Dragonball Super...
A: I seeeee! (rofl)
thx! (Score:2)
Personnally, I find that lack of unpredictablility disturbing.
But, then, no I don't.
Axim... (Score:2)
I'm just wondering if I should get one now or if Dell's planning on a new version any time soon. (Wouldn't mind Wifi or BT, then it'd be completely sold!)
A step backward? (Score:3, Interesting)
treading water (Score:2)
Palms are nice for scheduling and TODO lists. But for that, a $90 Zire is good enough, and it's also small and light. I wouldn't buy anything more high-end at this point, until Palm OS 6 comes out.
Re:Yes, and be sure to go buy all these products (Score:1)
The problem was that they are trying to play both sides of the fence.
Insightful??????? (Score:4, Informative)
Sony are one of the few companies out there that make gadgets that people drool over AND are happy to own - the novelty does not wear off in 5 minutes. I feel they should be applauded for that. Anyway, if you are so vocal about the DMCA go out and vote against the congressmen who voted for it, don't sit there writing half-arsed one liners on /.
Re:Insightful??????? (Score:4, Insightful)
As long as you use Sony's products. Face it, they're worse than Microsoft. The only difference is that Sony's not as visible in our world as MS is.
Sony makes sure that you play by their rules. I'll give you an example: What's the standard format for a memory card on a Digital Camera? Compact Flash. What type of memory cards do Sony Digital Cameras use? Memory stick.
You can accept Sony if you like, but they're about as proprietary as you can get. For digital rights, that's Not Good(tm).
Re:Insightful??????? (Score:3, Interesting)
Kind of reminds me of what happened too Sony's CD-Drive peripheral for the Super NES. If memory serves, they wanted to make it a Sony unit that just happened to play Nintendo cartridges. The deal fell through partly because Nintendo wasn't about to hand their brand name over to Sony. The battle of the egos resulted in no CD for the SNES and the Playstation.
I have no doubt about what you're saying. Sony's very agressive about keeping the competition out.
Re:Insightful??????? (Score:3, Informative)
I'll admit that Sony has good design and their CRT televisions have good picture quality, but overall their build quality has gone downhill especially on their stuff not made in Japan. It's not crap, but it doesn't justify their higher prices compared to other consumer electronics makers either.
Re:Is it just me.. ? (Score:1)
doesn't Palm still have quite the market share? i don't think pocket pc's are that popular
Re:Is it just me.. ? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Is it just me.. ? (Score:1)
as far as the article's concern, true may have been about mp3 playback but this little subtopic . . . not so.
thank ;)
Re:Is it just me.. ? (Score:3, Interesting)
Palm's in the middle of a technology transition.. PalmOS 5 runs on ARM, and PalmOS 6 is due to have a whole new code infrastructure for new software development.
I like my PalmOS Sony with LauncherX far better than the PocketPC systems I've seen. Light, fast, cheap, better screen than many PPC's, easier interface. What's not to like?
Re:And as always (Score:2)
So? The SJ30 uses the same cradle connector as the new ones do, the same memory stick.. what's the problem? The SJ30 even has a li-ion battery that can be removed and replaced if need be. Far more supportable than Palm's rechargeables, if the battery needs changing.
I've had my SJ30 for several months now and I just love it. I don't mind at all that Sony is selling a better one now.. the more they sell, the better for PalmOS and all.
Re:And as always (Score:2)
Re:And as always (Score:2)
Short of replacing MemoryStick with SD, whatever features you think the Sony units are lacking it will appear in the next model, in a matter of months if not weeks.
Re:Sony sucks ass (Score:1)
Re:Sony sucks ass (Score:2)
1 12 yo color tv
1 5 yo vcr that gets a lot of use (kids)
1 4 yo 29" tv - pro model (i.e. monitor), used every day
1 4 yo 19" tv - same as above
1 PS2 - used almost every day
1 1 yo minidv camcorder
Various other and sundry Sony items (cd roms, stereo, walkman, etc)
The only non working Sony item we have is one of the 19" tv/monitors that I got in non working form.
Now with as many products as Sony sells, you can ALWAYS find people with both good and bad experiences, but I personally have had excellent luck with their products. The only Sony items I don't buy are high-end hi-fi, just because the sonic quality is marginal (except for some of their higher end dvd players).
Sorry to hear that you've had problems, but if you've found alternatives that make you happy, then more power to ya.
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Re:OT: your sig (Score:1)
Also, this message is not off topic, it's funny. What's up with some moderators around here?
Re:Memory Sick? (Score:4, Insightful)