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Portable CD-RW/DVD Player 269

BugNuker writes "If your CD/MP3 player wasn't enough, you have to check this out. Sony has released this all in one media device that can play mp3's, wma's, cd's, and DVD's... yes, DVD's. It can be hooked up to your computer, and be used as a CD-RW and then hooked up to your TV, and play your favorite DVD's. But can it play my mp3's recorded on my DVD? Ultimate media device I would say, same size as a personal cd player. Comes with a Memory Stick expansion slot, a rechargeable battery and a USB 2.0/1.1 interface." There's a picture. It's cute. And expensive.
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  • Expensive???? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward
    I have seen portable DVD players for under $300.

    This thing sounds like a bargain to me.
    • Re:Expensive???? (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Flamesplash ( 469287 )
      You hook it up to your TV, there you go. $300 is very resonable for an external CD-RW/DVD alone. Let alone all the portable features of mp3 etc..
      • Re:Expensive???? (Score:3, Informative)

        by Eight 01 ( 614650 )
        It will not play DVDs to a TV. It only acts as an external drive to allow DVDs to be played on a computer. My guess is that it has no MPEG2 circuitry and relies on the computer to do all decoding.

        This is what it does:
        Portable CD player - regular and Mp3 cds
        External CD-R/W drive and DVD ROM drive

        Maybe its just me, but this is no big deal. Portable CD/MP3 players can be had for under $100 dollars, and almost everyone already has a CD burner / DVD ROM in their computer.

        If you need to make CDRs while you are on the road, this may be useful, but I'd be surprised if you couldn't already get an external CD burner for under $300.

        To Sony, I say "big deal".
        • Re:Expensive???? (Score:3, Interesting)

          by macrom ( 537566 )
          Sure you can get external drives cheaper, but they are usually enclosed in a 5.25" external case, making transportation of the unit cumbersome. This device, by all appearances, will slip into a side pocket of a laptop bag. Add that it doubles as a portable CD player (which can't be said of a dedicated drive), a DVD player (which may be said of a traditional external drive, but if you built your own), an MP3 player AND it has Memory Stick capabilites, which can't be said of any external CD burner that I know of. Acquiring all of the requisite hardware for the same price is not an issue, but getting all of the functionality in the same lightweight, small-footprint device is an issue for those the live on airplanes/airports and their ilk.

          One additional bonus that this device presents laptop users : most modern laptops have some sort of swapable drive bay that houses the optical drive but will also house a second battery. With this (IMO, relatively inexpensive) drive, you can add a second battery but still retain portability and optical drive connectivity.
        • Re:Expensive???? (Score:5, Informative)

          by damiangerous ( 218679 ) <1ndt7174ekq80001@sneakemail.com> on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @09:31AM (#4512425)
          Portable CD/MP3 players can be had for under $100 dollars

          Portable CD/MP3/DVD players can be had for under $100. The only link I can find has them for $107 [zoovy.com], but my local Target has one on clearance for ~$70.

          • We should make it clear that the Target one is prettier than the one you linked. It's slimmer and the one I saw was "fashionably colored". Still to big to really be useful for anything but DVD. I'd worry about thermal issues also, in a case that tight.

            Of course, neither of these makes CD-R/W like the Sony product this article's about.
    • With the low prices on writers and dvd drives this thing had better play vinyl,8 track and cassette for $300 as well as crack a beer for me too.

  • FINALLY (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @08:05AM (#4511822)
    I've been waiting for one of these for like 4 years, ever since I bought a Sony Glasstron. For those that don't know those are the "glasses" with the equivelent of a 56 inch tv inside. Now I can watch p0rn on the airplane without my seat-mate complaining about the moaning.
  • Why not just get a notebook [dell.com] with the same features? It won't be that much more expensive and would be a whole lot more useful than a portable DVD drive without a screen.
    • Because this fits in my shoulder bag, I can take it jogging with me, it shows my movies in the hotel room and weighs less than my notebook battery plus charger.
    • The cheapest notebook on the D*ll page you've linked has a price tag of $979.
      $979 vs. $300, see the difference?
    • Notebooks don't have as good battery life as portable players, but that doesn't make up for the lack of a screen. And notebook screens are about twice the size as the screens on most of the portable DVDs I've seen.

      What's the use of a portable DVD without a screen? So you can take it upstairs and watch DVDs on your portable in bed, or the kids can do the same. Or you can visit friends who haven't bought DVD yet, and take along a movie to watch.

      The portability alone has a use even without a screen. And if you're really sad, you can use the opportunity to listen to a director's commentary without the pictures - most of the time with commentaries you might as well have sound-only.
  • Play mp3's off DVD? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Havokmon ( 89874 ) <rick&havokmon,com> on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @08:05AM (#4511829) Homepage Journal
    But can it play my mp3's recorded on my DVD?

    "When away from the computer, the drive then works as a stand-alone CD player that can play standard audio CDs, and MP3 or WAV files from a CD, DVD or Memory Stick."

    Damn, sure sounds like it to me.

  • VCDs (Score:5, Funny)

    by gerf ( 532474 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @08:07AM (#4511841) Journal
    Can it play them? If it's "all" in one, and i'm payin 300 clams, i sure as hell hope it gets up and gets me a beer too.
    • Re:VCDs (Score:3, Interesting)

      by kc2dpt ( 618706 )
      Yeesh! You guys are a whiny bunch. $300 doesn't seem like a lot to me for all that functionality. Granted, it'll be 1/3 that in a year, but that's a normal price for new technology.
    • Re:VCDs (Score:3, Funny)

      by drinkypoo ( 153816 )
      This question is significant to me also. If it doesn't play VCD and SVCD, I'm not buying one. If it does, I probably will buy one. It's too cool a device (at that price) not to... But seriously, I have more SVCDs than DVDs (whistles casually) so SVCD is a deal-maker-or-breaker for me.
  • KINDA IRONIC (Score:5, Interesting)

    by r_arr ( 613036 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @08:08AM (#4511856)
    I wonder how Sony's Movie and music branch feel about this. On one side you have Sony telling people to burn DVD's cd-rw's and other stuff. While the other side says don't do that.
  • Well... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Lobo ( 10944 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @08:09AM (#4511865) Homepage
    This thing looks neat! BUT considering Sony's use of DRM in it's players, I wonder just how useful this thing really is?
  • by Mr_Silver ( 213637 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @08:10AM (#4511867)
    What's going on with Sony? One half is doing stuff like this and the other half release their NetMD minidisc line with so much DRM crowbarred into it, that it's cumbersome and annoying to use.

    What happens in there? Does one team produce cool stuff and then try and sneak it out before the music side get their claws into it? Or is this clearly a case of two different companies (or should I say cultures and ideals) releasing products under the same name?

    • by guidemaker ( 570195 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @08:17AM (#4511919)
      What's going on with Sony? One half is doing stuff like this and the other half release their NetMD minidisc line with so much DRM crowbarred into it, that it's cumbersome and annoying to use.

      How depressing must it be to be a product developer in there, busting a gut to produce neat stuff that people will love, only to have the weasels in legal forcing them to eviscerate the product with ill-considered DRM?

      • There were issues in the past with the PS2 development when SCEI announced their intentions to let the PS2 function as a DVD player. Sony Electronics didnt like it because they saw it undercutting their business. Of course SCEI won out probably because Sony makes more money there than with Electronics. The game business actually kept Sony profitable as a whole several times in the past.

        I expect the same thing happened with NetMD as well. Sony Music is more of a money maker so DRM was included.
    • by dackroyd ( 468778 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @08:24AM (#4511967) Homepage
      Sony is way, way more than two companies. You can find their list of subsidaries in Japan [sony.net] and outside Japan [sony.net], which seems to be about 85 companies.

      The subsidaries seem to be free to act as they see fit and their seems to be very little interference in how they are run from the Sony group company.

      Just the computer games divisions are divided into Sony Computer Entertainment Japan (SCEI*), Sony Computer Entertainment America(SCEA) and Sony Computer Entertainment Europe(SCEE). All of these companies are separate entities, with seperate responsibilities and ideas about how they should be doing business.

      *Yes I know it should be SCEJ, but it isn't, okay?
      • by marc_gerges ( 561641 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @08:32AM (#4512018)
        Large corporations typically are divided into various legal entitites in different country, to maximize on government grant, subsidies, local taxation and such. Totally apart from that there's businesses/business units/segments/whatever you call them that deal with different products, markets or technologies. Explaining different directions within such a monster by referring to its legal entities doesn't make that much sense...
    • Hey, they gotta make some money to afford all those lawyers and lawsuits!
    • Besides being a giant zaibatsu with dozens and dozens of subsidiaries, Sony basically embraces the hydra approach. Many heads, all attacking. Like AOL/TW, they straddle the media divide, so it gets a bit schizophrenic at times.

      While there are certainly folks at Sony who are right in there with the whole DRM thing, I think what happens is that the hardware sales have a polarizing effect on these efforts within Sony.

      Look at their competition with MS in the game space. Sony knows that, push comes to shove, they sell TVs and Walkmans and Glasstrons, and Microsoft sells the occasional keyboard or router. They will price MS right out of the market on the PS2 (in fact, they are already turning a profit on those things [zdnet.co.uk]), while selling all the hardware they are known for. Microsoft cannot lean on an alternative revenue stream so heavily... although they do have that ridiculous war-chest in the bank. Investors won't stand for raiding it without a visible means of putting that money back, though.

      Sony can do this, and the tech industry is simply that much bigger than the media industry. Hell, Sony co-invented the CD; I think they actually take a tiny bit of profit from every CD-based game sold on the Xbox (someone correct me if I'm wrong about that; I know the PS2 has some CD-based games, some -DVD).

  • Links (Score:5, Informative)

    by uk_greg ( 187765 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @08:11AM (#4511886)
    Sony press release: http://news.sel.sony.com/pressrelease/2873

    Product page: http://www.storagebysony.com/cd-rw/product.asp?id= 185
  • why (Score:5, Interesting)

    by mydigitalself ( 472203 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @08:11AM (#4511887)
    when you have something as sexy as the MZ-N1 would anybody want something this big to lug around.

    actually, a better why...

    why do americans not like/use minidisc players? i noticed that when i was over there about a month ago - everyone had clunkly cd-size walkmen. in london mini-disc players are continuing to become more ubiqitous and i would assume for two reasons:
    1) size
    2) re-recordable

    does this just not go down well in the US?
    i mean, discover the sony mz-n1....
    • Re:why (Score:2, Insightful)

      by marc_gerges ( 561641 )
      Minidisk may be fashionable in the UK, but the rest of Europe doesn't buy in either. If my music player of choice doesn't need to play the silver round thing I just bought in the mall, why should I not use an iPod? Or get rid of moving parts at all and have a flash MP* player?
      • The reason why MiniDisc is better than the iPod or other portable MP3 units is very simple. How much is a Flash memory card? A 128 meg card (or stick) will run you about $60 if you're very good at looking. Now, how much is a blank minidisc? Less than $2.00. If you don't ever plan on lending out your music, an MP3 player is fine and dandy.

        Oh, but I almost forgot: an MP3 player is just that... a player . Not a recorder. So what happens when you want a digital copy of a concert? Or want to record a lecture? Or want to copy a friend's new CD? You're shit out of luck. With an MP3 player, you're constantly tethered to a computer if you want to expand your music collection. Minidisc doesn't have this problem.

        People who think Minidiscs are poor substitutes for CD's miss the point entirely -- they are excellent substitutes for TAPES. Keep your CD player. But for portable tunes, with an option for recording, I always carry MiniDisc.
        • Oh, but I almost forgot: an MP3 player is just that... a player . Not a recorder. So what happens when you want a digital copy of a concert? Or want to record a lecture? Or want to copy a friend's new CD? You're shit out of luck. With an MP3 player, you're constantly tethered to a computer if you want to expand your music collection.
          Nice try.
          Wrong tho.

          Nomad Jukebox [nomadworld.com]
          Analog/Optical Line-In for direct high quality recording from external audio devices


          There are MP3 players which record, and I believe the Nomad even encodes to mp3 on the fly, so you're not constantly tethered to your computer in any way.
    • Re:why (Score:3, Interesting)

      by (trb001) ( 224998 )
      They never took off here because Sony never released pre-recorded stuff on them. All you could get for a long time (note: I had a MD player/recorder for 2 years) was blank discs, and to record on them was hell. You had to play music and hit the record button. Mine did a pretty good job of picking up on the space between tracks and splitting them, but it was still problematic.

      The only people that I know who used them were those that had them as part of their entertainment centers. That means you had to have the portable player and the standalone recorder which, in this day and age isn't happening.

      I suppose the greatest dilemna for Sony was that they didn't let anyone else produce material or hardware for the minidisc, it could have taken off had they done that.

      --trb
    • Re:why (Score:3, Insightful)

      by McCart42 ( 207315 )
      Because the minidisc uses Sony's proprietary ATRAC format, which is a pain, because it takes longer to transfer music to the player. See CNet's review [cnet.com]...it's not exactly glowing. It's more expensive than CD players, and more handicapped. If it weren't it'd take the country by storm...it has great battery life and good media.
    • Re:why (Score:4, Insightful)

      by hexdcml ( 553714 ) <hexdcml@hotma i l .com> on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @08:36AM (#4512048)
      indeed.. it seems that only now that MD has really taken off.. i used to be an owner of a large and chunky MD player. At that time (it was only 2 years ago) I had all my mates gawking at it, and looking confuddled..

      *Cue Apple switch music*

      I had it... it worked... but it kinda sucked in the fact that to put music on.. you HAD to do it in real-time. I bought a HI-FI deck which allowed x2 speeds, but still it did not really satisfy my needs - who wants to waste 30 minutes waiting for a CD to copy over? Oh yeah, NetMD now apparently is better, but I've never had one, nor will I ever get a MD player again. For me? 20gb iPod all my music, all my documents and 'some' of my movies in my pocket. It brings a smirk to my face everytime I see people fumbling around with CDs/MDs on the train platform.. hehehe. If you're willing to spend *THAT* much on a personal audio device, you might as well buy the best availble... I'm Michael Jin, and I'm a student....

    • Re:why (Score:3, Insightful)

      by trcooper ( 18794 )
      Net-MD is too little too late. It will never compete with MP3 players here in the US, because it is an inferior product. This player offers more features, than any NetMD player as well as a lower price tag. You may trade off in size, but if that's what you're after, a Nomad Zen or iPod offers more features than a NetMD player for a lower price tag.

      Why would anyone pay $350 for a NetMD player that has lower capacity and a proprietary format, not to mention all of the DRM.
    • MD == Slow (Score:3, Insightful)

      by nuxx ( 10153 )
      There's one big reason why I don't use minidisc myself. Single speed recording. I love the fact that I can make a mix CD in less time than it takes to listen to the finished product. I rip a bunch of tracks, normalize them, then burn them down to another disc, all in about half an hour. This is much different from the MD-style of 'hit play, hit record, wait'. If I could get a PC-based MD drive that allowed me to record at something faster than 1x and gave me more control over the mastering process, I'd buy one right away. I don't like MP3 players because I use Ogg and the media is expensive. But I would happily buy cheap, removable MD media. It's just that damn speed issue.

      Well, I'd also like a digital out, but that's not an issue that would keep me from buying a player. I'm sure the DACs in the MD players are plenty good, and then hardware to do ATRAC->PCM and then use your receiver to do PCM->Analog.
    • why do americans not like/use minidisc players?

      Hmm ... could it be because they suck?

      Nah, it must be because we are quaint and technologically backward. It's true; I read it on /.!

    • Re:why (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Mr_Silver ( 213637 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @09:39AM (#4512494)
      why do americans not like/use minidisc players? i noticed that when i was over there about a month ago - everyone had clunkly cd-size walkmen. in london mini-disc players are continuing to become more ubiqitous and i would assume for two reasons:

      Well, I'm a Londoner and I wouldn't say they are becoming more ubiquitois. Yes, there are a larger number of people with them than I've ever seen before, but what is become more seen is those people with the little white clip on their clothes. That is the Nokia 8310 [nokia.com].

      Plus those people that do have MD's are often holding several year old models rather than the latest one. Which either means there is a damn good trade in ancient MD's or these are players bought a while ago.

      But anyway I'm digressing, here's why I don't use the NetMD:

      MD's are good quality. If you can overlook the fact that you have to copy all your music to MD at realtime.

      Of course, you could get the NetMD, but then you'd have to jump through hoops (read check in/check out) to get the songs onto the MD, you can't copy them back off, you can't check them out more than 3 times, you have to convert them to Sony's propriatory ATRAC format, LP4 compression is so poor quality-wise you can only use LP2 at the most, you can't delete the songs off the MD without checking them back into the software and you sometimes find that the software refuses to convert an MP3 (often a VBR one).

      Oh, yes, and you get to pay £250 for the privilidge of the above when my player was over half the price.

      NetMD was an attempt by Sony to capitalise on the MP3 boom, unfortunately their content division were so paranoid about piracy that they effectivly cripped what would have been a seriously good product that might have stemmed the death of the MD.

      If, however, MP3 means nothing to you or you have no need for such a thing, then a plain old bog standard MD player is both cheap, light, jog-proof and rather cool. But NetMD is a joke.

    • Why? It's crippled, intentionally. Everything gets re-encoded into their proprietary compression (which admittedly, isn't bad, but it's another layer of loss.)

      You can now download to the unit faster with the MD stuff, but unless a new hack has come out, you cannot upload at high quality, even content you have recorded.

      I was considering a cheap one for portable recording, but ended up with a laptop and an Eiderol/Roland UA-5. 24-bit recording, decent mic-pres, and a bunch of analog and digital ports.
  • by hype7 ( 239530 ) <u3295110@noSPam.anu.edu.au> on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @08:12AM (#4511892) Journal
    I mean, seriously, is this such a bargain?

    If you want a DVD player, you're much better off going with a dedicated unit for the same $$$. It will give you infinitely better picture quality.

    If you want an MP3/etc player, head for an iPod [apple.com] or that new Creative device. It'll be smaller (and even the cheapest version will still have as much memory as a DVD), and the battery life will be better because it doesn't have to spin the damn dvd around all the time.

    One of those cases of big wow factor because of convergence/size/cuteness, but when you look at it objectively - jack of all trades, master of none.

    -- james
  • 256MB memory stick? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Cutie Pi ( 588366 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @08:14AM (#4511900)
    This is sort of off topic, but the way that Sony is pushing their Memory Stick technology (it's in almost all their products now), you'd think that Sony would be focusing more on getting larger capacity Memory Sticks out the door. Currently they max out at 128MB, while you can get 1GB compactflash cards for pretty cheap. I have a 4MP Sony digicam, and it fills a 128MB stick pretty quickly. I think I remember Sony was planning to release the 256MB Memory Stick at the end of last year, with plans to take it up to 4GB(!). Well, Sony, we're almost at the end of this year, and 256MB sticks are nowhere to be seen. Not to mention a 128MB stick is still way too overpriced, even by Sony's licensee's. You have to wonder if Sony is having problems manufacturing higher density Memory Sticks. However, they are still pushing the technology, so maybe that is a good sign.
  • by The-Bus ( 138060 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @08:14AM (#4511901)
    has released this all in one media device that can play mp3's, wma's, cd's, and DVD's


    Where does it say this plays WMAs? I couldn't find it in the article. What I did see is that it provides enough playback for 1.5 hours of DVD, so less than a lot of movies.


    This should be a nice alternative to car DVD players which are always ridiculously expensive.

  • by Canuckanuck ( 235721 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @08:16AM (#4511910)
    ...it can't be hooked up directly to a TV to view a DVD. Only through a computer linkage can it that be done. This product will be totally cool when I can take it to my luddite grandmother's house where there is no computer and hook it up to her TV while she's baking brownies.

    Only then will it rock!
  • by Brento ( 26177 ) <brento AT brentozar DOT com> on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @08:16AM (#4511914) Homepage
    I've always longed for those super-ultra-tiny notebooks like you find on Dynamism [dynamism.com], but the coolest ones don't have built-in CD or DVD drives. I hate carrying around a drive just because I might need to read a cd-rom, but this little gizmo would be the perfect companion. I could use it to watch movies on the road in hotels, plus listen to music, and still play cd-roms with the computer.

    The drawback of the bundled add-on CD drives that come with the notebooks is that they don't function separately - you're just lugging around a mostly useless cd-rom reader, not a CD/DVD Walkman. This thing is going to sell like hotcakes to business travelers!
    • I've always longed for those super-ultra-tiny notebooks like you find on Dynamism [dynamism.com], but the coolest ones don't have built-in CD or DVD drives.

      You might want to look at the Fujitsu P-Series [fujitsupc.com]. The specs are pretty nice, it's quite small, it has a CD-RW/DVD drive built in (which can be swapped out for another battery), it's available in the States and it's much less expensive than a Dynamism import.
  • by pigeon ( 909 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @08:17AM (#4511916) Homepage
    Can it be hacked to be regionfree? And macrovisionfree?
  • It won't be the ultimate player until it can also play mpeg4 video. It's only a matter of time before these become common. So many people achieved substantial mp3 music holdings, that the portable cd audio players [as well as car players, home players] began to cater to consumer demand, and offer the additional function of playing .mp3's stored in a iso9660 data track.

    Soon enough, the newer dvd players will be able to play "divx" .avi's as a matter of course.
  • by McFly69 ( 603543 )
    I am asking myself, why do people really need a portable DVD player? Are not cdr/mp3/audio-cd disk players enough? Sounds to me just another product to make consumers pay up.

  • Uh oh.....

    Sony [sony.com] isn'y going to like this!
  • I'm not buying another portable until I can get vorbis support. Someone please legitimize the format!
    This thing plays everything (CDs as well as MP3, WAV and WMA files that are stored on CDs, DVDs or the company's own Memory Stick cards) but vorbis! Is there really more people with WAVs stored on Memory Sticks than folks who want vorbis playback?
  • if I burn my MP3s on a writable DVD, the battery time is to short for me to listen through it all...

    Once again we return the problem issue of battery time. This seems to be the limiting factor in portable electronics today, either you can't use it long enough, or it is to heavy to be carried.
  • .
    This thing is missing the one feature that would have made it unique as a portable device.
    VCD Recording.
    I understand the practical limitations that would prevent it, but if after all I'm going to hook it up to a TV, why not record?
    It would have made a great adjunct to the current crop of digital CamCorders.

    It's pretty (I guess depending on your estetic), but the extra utility would have put it over the top even if the list went to $500.

    Of course it would have to be more reliable than my Terrapin.
  • by facelessnumber ( 613859 ) <drew&pittman,ws> on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @08:20AM (#4511935) Homepage
    supports both Macintosh and Windows platforms

    They say this like there are only two.


    "We got both kinds of music here - Country and Western."
  • "That push has intensified with the popularity of digital entertainment formats such as MP3 music files and file-sharing sites such as Napster."

    Napster has been dead for what, well over a year and a half?

    Do I really need a device that is borne from the efforts of a company that lives, breathes and lives the DMCA? And is the main member of the RIAA?

    Fuck MP3.

    Go Ogg.
  • Another /. RTFA! (Score:4, Informative)

    by 3583 Bytes Free ( 599675 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @08:23AM (#4511957)
    Read the f*cking article!

    Sony product page [storagebysony.com]
    Sony's cool new Digital Relay(TM) portable battery operated CD-RW/DVD-ROM/Memory Stick® drive burns CDs when attached to a PC or Macintosh® computer using the USB 2.0/1.1 port. Detach the drive from the computer, and you now have a portable CD player that also plays MP3 and WAV files on CD-ROMs, DVD-ROMs, or Memory Stick media.

    It plays DVD-ROMs, not DVD-Video discs. This basically is a MP3 player that can use DVDs. So you can get 4.7GB on a MP3 disc instead of 650-700 MB. I still think it's worth a link on /., but for pete's sake, RTFA before you submit, and editors, RTFA before you post!

    • by Anonymous Coward
      From the first article:

      "When connected to a Windows or Macintosh computer, the device can serve as a CD-RW drive for recording digital content or backing up computer data. When connected to a television or PC, the device can also become a DVD player for watching movies. "
    • > It plays DVD-ROMs, not DVD-Video discs

      Good point, and for just that functionality it's way overpriced. The NetworkWorldFusion article then also probably has the power usage figures wrong, because it makes no sense why it would only run for 1.5h reading DVDs vs. 10h reading regular CDs if it's not actually doing video decoding on the DVD.
      • Re:Another /. RTFA! (Score:2, Informative)

        by AzrealAO ( 520019 )
        No, the power usage figures are right. The post you're replying to has it wrong. The first article says it functions as a DVD Video Player when connected to a TV or PC, and the Sony Product Page links to that review.
  • Sony owns the memory stick format. They're expensive and no one else uses them. Hell would freeze over before it happened, but I'd prefer something like a 128mb usb diskonkey dongle. You can use them on pretty well any computer without a separate reader. However, if my motherboard didn't have it built-in I'd want to get a usb 2.0 card before trying to burn CDs or transferring large files.

    But save for those couple of issues, this seems like an incredibly versatile unit for 300 clams. I expect we'll see a lot more machines like this, and probably for a lot less cash once Samsung, et al, get in on it. And they'll probably come to market with a more useful replacement for memorystick, too.

    Oh yeah: Does anyone know what, if anything, this unit has in the way of DRM support? One would not like to buy a device that was deliberately crippled in any way.
    • > And they'll probably come to market with a more
      > useful replacement for memorystick, too.

      Such as no memory card slot at all, because what's the bloody point? Sony is just putting MS slots into everything it makes nowadays in order to force the standard down people's throats, whether it makes sense to or not. This is a CD and DVD player, not a memory card player. If I want a memory card player, I'll buy one of those. Why increase the cost of a rotating media player by also making it play other types of media?
  • by DrSkwid ( 118965 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @08:26AM (#4511979) Journal
    US [archos.com]
    UK [archos.com]

    MP4 Video Player (DivX compatible*) JPEG/BMP Viewer MP3 Player & Recorder

  • by forged ( 206127 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @08:40AM (#4512069) Homepage Journal
    It's cute. And expensive.

    For a portable device which records and reads CDs at 24X, rewrites CDs at 10X and reads DVDs at 8X, for less than $300 I think it isn't too bad actually. IMHO of course.

  • ogg files? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Omnifarious ( 11933 ) <eric-slash AT omnifarious DOT org> on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @08:40AM (#4512075) Homepage Journal

    Will it play ogg files? My absolute requirement for anything I get like this is that it be able to play oggs.

    Also, does it use the USB storage interface, or some other standard USB interface so I don't need funky drivers to use it under Linux?

    • Re:ogg files? (Score:3, Insightful)

      No company is going to feel compelled to offer OGG support until the competition offers OGG support. Kind of a catch-22. Not that some off brand could not make a name for themseleves (or at least push a few units to the /. crowd) by decoding OGG....But I guarentee you that no major brand is going to take the plunge (and spend the extra engineering and production fees) until they are forced to by the competition.
  • No Linux support (Score:3, Interesting)

    by InodoroPereyra ( 514794 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @08:47AM (#4512113)
    From the Article:

    The MPD-AP20U includes a Memory Stick media slot, a USB 2.0 port and supports both Macintosh and Windows platforms.

    This alone is a showstopper for me. Of course people will hack around and maybe get it to work. The price doesn't seem too high if it is under US$ 300 as the article mentions though.

    • Well, the fact it supports Windows and MacOS doesn't necessarily mean it won't work on Linux.

      Being a CD-RW, it probably just talks SCSI over USB when writing, and probably shows up itself as a SCSI-over-USB cd reader (or as a Mass Storage unit) when reading. IIRC, there is good support for both on Linux (unless the firmware is broken). OTOH, IEEE1394 would have been a better choice than USB2.0, IMHO (at least, IEEE1394 has been out for more time).

  • by gantz ( 85884 )
    http://mp3playerstore.com/stuff_you_need/dvd/benq. htm [mp3playerstore.com]

    $159 isn't too bad. There's also:

    http://mp3playerstore.com/buy_it_now__/mp-2001.htm [mp3playerstore.com]

    for $64.95. Probably horrible shit construction, but not bad for the price.

  • by Flakeloaf ( 321975 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @08:51AM (#4512135) Homepage
    Now when I'm stranded on a lonely bus or subway in desperate need of a coaster, I need only to fire up my portable CDRW with the half-dead batteries and voila! A handy place to set my coffee cup down in under eight minutes. Thank you Sony Man!
  • by ClumzyKid ( 225451 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @09:11AM (#4512266) Homepage
    After reading some comments here about the fact that it doesn't support display nor Linux... I did a lil' research...

    The ZDNet [com.com] article states "...When connected to a television or PC, the device can also become a DVD player for watching movies. "... Now that is not entirely false... As you'll see in a copy of the press release (scroll down the page to find it) here [dcviews.com]... You'll see that you can play DVD movies via the PC's USB.. "Hi-Speed USB Interface (USB 2.0/1.1)"! at 8x speed... only... as for the TV it's not supported; as stated "Output: Mini analog stereo (headphone jack) only"... So that is one fact down... Prolly in the future they may provide the means to do it via USB>DECODER>TV... :)

    Now for the other problem... support for Linux... the press release states "System requirements: Pentium® II 233Mhz or faster PC with 32Mb RAM, HDD with 1.2Mb sustained transfer rate or faster, Direct-X supported sound card, Installed USB 1.1 or 2.0 port, Power Macintosh G3, Power Mac G4, iMac DV or iBook® computer running Mac OS 9.2.2 or higher OR Windows 98/2000/Me/XP operating system..." So the answer for the time being is no... no Linux support... but it's less than a month away... and who knows... if everyone rants on their head they may support it ;)... However, I think the Linux community will find way ....
  • by lfarenw ( 603409 )
    I saw this bad boy at Target a little while ago:

    http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/ref=br_1_2/60 2-7461077-2529429?asin=B0000632FZ [target.com]

    And I gotta tell ya, I take this $99 beauty of that $300 Sony anyday. It plays CDs/CDRWs/MP3s AND DVD Video which you can hook up to a TV! No, you can't hook it up directly to a computer but who cares?

  • Although the concept of a headless CD/DVD player is new, Asia already has CD/VCD players of similar design. I recently visited China and you could buy for around $50 a portable player that does both CD and VCD, with an video/audio out cable. The other cool feature is that it could generate both NTSC and PAL signals, and you can also use regular rechargable batteries that the unit can recharge. Sure it was a player that was made by a company that is not known here in N. America, but you would have to pay at least $200 to but anything which can do this, and then you you would probably get the PAL signal feature disabled and having to use properity rechargable batteries.

  • by phorm ( 591458 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2002 @09:54AM (#4512629) Journal
    it offers up to four hours of CD audio playback, up to 10 hours of MP3 CD playback and up to 1.5 hours of DVD-ROM playback

    Interesting that it gets more power playing an Mp3 CD than a regular CD. I would have assumed that it would take more juice to decode for mp3's.Perhaps mp3's cache to reduce disc spinning laser usage?

    Also, it would be nice to get a stat on the load-time for mp3's. I've noticed that some Sony mp3-disc players in cars (such as mine) seem to prefer caching the filenames on spinup, which can take annoyingly long.
    • Probably. They always say on PDAs that using the backlight is the worst way to conserve power. As well, I'm sure running a motor has got to more effort than running a decoder.

      I've got a Rio Volt and it uses the audio buffer as cache for the loaded mp3. (they say... 40secs of cd audio or upto 1200 sec of mp3 audio in the equiv space) It's cute, usually halfway through the song, the cd stops spinning and I can shake the unit till I'm blue in the face or the next song ends. It's got about the same sort of performance on 2AAs.
  • What's with that? It makes it sort of useless as a portable player of the batteries go flat after just 1.5 hours. Since when does DVD (without mpeg-2 video decoding) need so much more battery power?
  • It's a very cool device ... cool enough I went and read the article *gasp* and did a Google search on it for more details.

    Point #1) It only plays DVDs when connected to a computer ... it doesn't have video out itself. For all the people who want to use this combined with a thin monitor or glasses (I was hoping for this myself), forget it. You still need a laptop to decode and display video, and most laptops have a DVD option.

    Point #2) Yes, it will allow you to play MP3s from a DVD ... now -that- is nice ... 4.7GB of music.

    Point #3) It will let you burn MP3s (and I assume anything else) from the memory stick to a CD. That's pretty darned handy, too ... especially if you have friends with Sony memory stick devices.

    I didn't find anything about Ogg support.

  • Forbes thought it was a DVD-R [forbes.com]

    Funny.

  • Very odd that most DVD players will play CDs with mp3s burnt onto them, but won't play a DVD burnt with the same mp3s. Anyone else ever think this is very strange? I wonder if this player will play mp3s burnt onto a DVD-R. That would be nice.
  • The MPD-AP20U will cost under $300 and will be available in November through retail outlets and Sony's Web site.

    Last I checked, to get all the functions of this device seperately you'd be spending over $1,000. Then when you pack it all into one small case and make it portable ... that usually doubles the price of the technology. But not here - it's less than a third!

    $300 is a DARN fine buy, if you ask me. Though, I don't need one of these because I have hardware to do all the functions independantly, and no need to be portable about it. But it would make a cool Christmas present for a geek relative.
  • Is this thing bus powered/bus rechargeable, or does it require the use of a wall wart?
  • ...I suppose today is "ooh! Sony's cool!" day.

    TOMORROW must be "Sony is an evil member of the RIAA and the MPAA" day.

    Silly me, I thought Sony was a member of the RIAA and the MPAA, with all that implies, 24 x 7 x 365...

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