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Nokia 3650 Symbian Imaging-phone 162

Posted by michael from the candid-camera dept.
Ch_Omega writes "Nokia have announced a new cameraphone in the, traditionally low-cost, 3xxx-series. Surprisingly enough, it seems to have the same functionality as the Nokia 7650, as well as tri-band, MMC-expansion slot, and abillity to capture video as well as still images. The new smartphone has been given the name Nokia 3650, which, according to this article indicates that it will be much cheaper than the 7650, while actually being superior feature-wise!"
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  • ...what's with the funky number pad? Are they going for the retro-dial look?

    • is the dial nonintuitive for those who have actually used a rotary phone? i would be looking for the "1" on the other side.
  • looks like everyone is jumping on the bandwagon, and why not nokia? they are king of the cheap product? Why is it that the low-quality devices become so popular?
    • Because not everyone can afford to pay $400 for a cell phone?

    • Re:bandwagon (Score:1, Insightful)

      by Ojamin ( 455410 )
      Low-quality products become so popular (at least in tech stuff) because consumers still haven't realized that you actually get what you pay for. If you buy I cheap phone, PDA, or digital camera it's just not going to last like something of better quality that is a little more expensive, and the consumer will have to replace it 1 month after the warranty expires. Yet still things like this sell like hot cakes.

      • Re:bandwagon (Score:4, Insightful)

        by bluGill ( 862 ) on Friday September 20, 2002 @01:59PM (#4299078)

        I don't know about you, but I've droped my cell phone into lakes too often to want an expensive one. (it was in my pocket when I fell overboard last time) Sure I recover it, but I haven't had success getting them to work after than.

        Combine that with new features coming out all the time, and I'm not sure I want an expensive one. As others have noted, this cheap phone looks better feature wise than a more expensive older model.

        Or to put it a different way: why spend money on an expensive phone when I can get a cheap one, and the next model will be better?

      • Re:bandwagon (Score:2, Informative)

        by sideone ( 256163 )
        i agree. i have made the mistake of buying many products because they were inexpensive, even though reviews told me that the product was shit. You know what i found out, exactly what the word cheap really means.
    • Nokia makes the best phones on the market. Period. I've owned Siemens, Motorola and four Nokias - I've tried the Sony Ericsson T68i, Ericsson (old ones) and a few others (like Bosch etc) - NONE of them are as good as the Nokia - they simply have the best user interface - menu system - of them all. On advanced phones the menu system is very important - And none beats the nokias.
      The only thing that I regret about the new phones, is that they no longer have the "IntelliKey" - that was a good!
      • i agree nokia, has some 'cool' features, but what i really care about is the sound quality, batt life, and basic phone operations. By sound quality i am not talking about tdma vs cdma vs foo, i mean the stuff inside that hike the price up to another $100.oo.
      • I completely agree. I've used several Nokias over the years and I sure wish every device was as reliable, well engineered and intuitive as these phones.

        That said, I'm still gonna try the Ericsson t68i next, as Nokia doesn't currently offer exactly the phone with the features I want.

  • Yeah, but... QWZX (Score:2, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward

    This is the kind of Sybian Phone [sybian.com] that I want.

  • More info on Symbian products (Score:2, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Symbian doesn't just make a rock-solid OS for phones, they also have a slew of other high-tech products [sybian.com].

  • what? (Score:1, Troll)

    by tps12 ( 105590 )
    Consumer electronics becoming cheaper and more featureful as time advances? Unheard of!

    Seriously, this product is doomed to fail. Nobody needs or wants a camera, PDA, mp3 player, or web browser on their phone. 10-number speed-dial was the last useful feature to be added to cellular phones. In 10 years all of these Uberphonen will seem silly and ridiculous. "What were we thinking?" we'll all ask, in much the same tone as someone remembering the days of disco, when big pants and cocaine ruled the night.
    • I see this as a last ditch effort by cellphone manufacturers to stay relevant. I, as many nerds and even normal people, carry a cellphone in one pocket a PDA in the other, my keys in one back pocket and my wallet in the other backpocket. Now the goal is to put all of this into one device that will fit in one pocket. THAT is why you see so much of this put together. I, for one, welcome any such merging of devices, as this cuts down on the pants saggage. We have already seen the first generations of PDA/cellphone combos that don't really appeal to anyone, but sooner or later, there will be that one defining product that finally merges the two. Nokia is trying from the cellphone side, Handspring tried from the PDA side.

      Also, about your comment, Nobody needs or wants a camera, PDA, mp3 player, or web browser on their phone -- I find it absolutely untrue. Perhaps you cannot "think outside the box" but I would welcome anything that can do all these things. I own a digital camera, a PDA, two mp3 players, a laptop and a desktop. Now, if you can create one product that can do all of these things even remotely competent, but most importantly, fit in ONE pocket... you have your first customer right here.

      • Re:The Merge (Score:1, Offtopic)

        by tps12 ( 105590 )
        You carry your keys in your ass pocket? Doesn't it hurt when you sit down?
        • Of course it doesn't hurt. There's only one key, to his mom's garage. With all the money spent on hot gadgets, he can't afford anything else like a house or car that requires a key.
    • I hope you were trolling....because if you think a PDA is a useless addon for a cell phone...you are dead wrong.

      Why carry 2 devices of aproximately the same form factor....with overlapping functions?

      Whats the easiest way to update the contacts in your phone? Buy a $40+ cable, wait 5-10 years for a 'standard' wireless transfer protocol and content format, or combine them?

      Why carry two seperate devices that both have support for: email, contact managament, web browsing, game playing, data/fax. Combine them!

      (BTW, I think my Samsung I-300 is the single most useful electronic device I have every purchased)
    • the extra features on new phones don't really add up on size or anything, since it isn't practical to have the phone smaller than what they are now.

      and this product is DESTINED to be a huge hit among teens, which has been the major target group of the 3*** series phones(of course, it will probably be cripled in more ways than one, but the teens won't care). the nokia's mp3 capable phone with the all-characters keypad sucks technically but still was quite 'hip'.

      it's like most of the people don't need all the features their newly bought vhs player has, but those extra features just come as, doh, extra when you upgrade.

      what i personally would like is that they would design more robust phones that wouldn't crack up and start acting bad after 2 years of abuse.

    • Maybe the spirit is right, but the application is wrong. Converging technology is great: wireless networking is a good step, digital cameras are super for a lot of people, and, heck, I bet a whole bunch of people would love to listen to mp3s on their cellphone.

      The cappy stuff is spawned when you choose to mix a myriad of technologies just becuase you can. I think the key to having successful personal digital devices is two-fold:

      1. Integrate only mature technologies. (eg. a cellphone and a decent mp3 player--lot's of songs, battery power, play list capabilities). All the integrated technologies have to be useful unto themselves--right now, no one would buy a digital camera of the quality they have in these phones.

      2. Modularity. I think that as we develop the technology to integrate all the digital elements of our lives, we should develop them in a way that we can choose how to piece them together (like our PC's are now and like we design our (good) software).

      That's my two cents. Now, I'm just going to wait for my cellphone-laptop-digitalTVreceiver-taser-GPS-light sabre.

    • Oh please (Score:4, Interesting)

      by seizer ( 16950 ) on Friday September 20, 2002 @02:49PM (#4299398) Homepage
      You don't sound like a habitual cellphone user. I am one, and I can tell you that I have developed a scary reliance on a number of features (SMS messaging, the built in alarm clock, caller-ID-associative ringtones, tetris, etc) - all developed after your 10 number speed dial. There is nothing I wish for more than a completely integrated PDA/phone/camera/mp3 player/web browser, etc.

      And guess what - it's coming soon (RSN ;-). Ericsson's P800 is due out early next year (revised date), with all those features - and MPEG4, Java, everything crammable into a 150mhz ARM processor with 16mb memory.

      Check it out [sonyericsson.com]

      I know it's what I've dreamed of, and I bet you that many other (geek and non-geek) people have dreamt of it too.

      • And guess what - it's coming soon (RSN ;-). Ericsson's P800 is due out early next year (revised date), with all those features - and MPEG4, Java, everything crammable into a 150mhz ARM processor with 16mb memory.

        See it. *Actually* used it.

        Upsides: Symbian, rock solid, lovely UI, loads of apps, decent web-browser, expandable, cool apps already available for it.

        Downsides: The stylus is flimsy plastic that clips to the side, the keyboard presses onto the screen (its a flip) which harks back to the problems of the R380-or-something (in which the buttons wore down and weren't as responsive). There is a camera (which is good) but makes the damn thing rather heavy.

  • it says that it runs realONE for video playback

    never seen that application of real's coftware yet

  • huh??? (Score:2, Funny)

    by pinkUZI ( 515787 )
    I still don't get this. It's like combining a nose hair trimmer with a toothbrush - sure you could combine those, but why would anyone want to?
    • It's like combining a nose hair trimmer with a toothbrush

      Do you meant to say that you carry a nose hair trimmer and a toothbrush with you at all times?

      Kinky.

    • Re:huh??? (Score:4, Interesting)

      by mo ( 2873 ) on Friday September 20, 2002 @01:55PM (#4299050)
      Not long ago I would have totally agreed with you, but then I got a Canon s110 [powershot.com] and I totally changed the way I viewed cameras. Due to the fact that it was so small and that there is zero cost to take pictures, I started taking it everywhere with me. It is as common as keys, wallet, and cellphone. So why not consolidate the cellphone and camera? Actually, I'm seriously interested in buying a product that merges my wallet and my cellphone.

      • Actually, I'm seriously interested in buying a product that merges my wallet and my cellphone.

        Maybe I'm the only slashdotter here who has to say this, but my wallet doesn't exactly smell like roses. I'm not saying it's because I sit on it 10 hours a day, or that it's because of the god-only-knows-where-it's-been money, but it's not something I want to keep by my face for the length of a phone call. Unless it means winning a prize.

        • Dude, what are you doing to your poor wallet? Mine smells fine.. and it's pretty old. Then again, it's not leather, so maybe that influences it?
    • It's like combining a nose hair trimmer with a toothbrush

      I call the patent!

      or do you have super patent-savers?

  • design? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by sideone ( 256163 )
    why are we going back to rotary?
    • why are we going back to rotary?

      To make it harder for current mobile phone users to send text messages maybe? Or maybe it just looked prettier that way or maybe futuristic (yes I know, rotary is old not futuristic :) ) Its a 3xxx phone, they have usually been aimed at people that like pretty things, you can change the covers on all the recent 3xxx phones but not the more buisinessy models.
  • I have the 8890 right now and while I like it, I would like something new.

    I like the look of this phone if it is going to look like what the link showed.
  • First release a tech-version with all-new features, then trim it down and re-relase it as a new product.
    The even/odd scheme with linux kernels work in a similar way, but that's only about bugfixes..
    How about a first mainstream linux version without added-on bloat?
  • So, if this camera phone is so great, it should fit right into my bow tie...

    So be careful!

    For folks who really want to mod me up (*grin*) that was a Simon and Garfunkel joke...

    "I garfunkeled your mother!"
  • What's the deal on the phone from the Matrix? I know they built one where a piece of plastic covers the mouth part and you slide it down by hand, but did they ever make a spring-loaded one?
    • You have to slide the cover on a Nokia 8110 open by hand. The ones in the film had the 'spring loaded' mechanism added to look cooler.
      Given the tendency of the sliding covers on that style of phone to break, I would imagine that spring loaded ones would end up being fired across the room within a day :)

    • Re:Yawn.. (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Only internally, as prototypes of the 7110. I am not sure, but my bet is that there were too many moving parts, and the simplification of no spring-load was more economical and reliable.

      They were kind of scary to handle, though. The way those covers just sprung outwith the slightest touch of the button -- tsjakka! -- it was reminiscent of a guillotine in a way.
    • The one they used for the film was the 8110 [nokia.com] (my first mobile phone :) with a special push-button slider mechanism created for the film.

      M.
    • Yup: it is like the nokia 7110. And I've got one: it's quite popular in the Netherlands (came out as a cheap bundle) and the big screen and 'chik' sound it makes make it quite popular in movies too. Thew IrDA makes it a tweaker phone, too. The one used in the matrix is the 8110, which doesn't have the spring loaded cover IRL.
  • My digital cam works fine. It has superiour picture quality. Why would I want a phone that takes crappy pictures and can only be sent to other people who have an MMS-capable phone?

    (btw it should read MMS not MMC).

    Is this truly useful? Methinks not.
    • "Why would I want a phone that takes crappy pictures and can only be sent to other people who have an MMS-capable phone?"

      Actually, you are wrong. The pictures(640x480x24bit) can be mailed to any e-mail adress, transfered to your box via bluetooth and more, in .jpg format.

      "(btw it should read MMS not MMC)."

      It should read MMS if it was MMS i was talking about. However, it was not. I was actually talking about a Multi Media Card [nokia.com], a removable memory-chip.
      • Actually, you are wrong. The pictures(640x480x24bit) can be mailed to any e-mail adress, transfered to your box via bluetooth and more, in .jpg format.

        Let's say you want 5" x 7" prints of your photos. At 640 x 480, the pixels per inch will be 640/7 or 91 ppi horizontal, 480/5 or 96 ppi vertical.

        With my Nikkon 775 which was around $300, I get 1600 x 1200 resolution. This gives me 228 ppi horizontal, 240 ppi vertical.

        You approach photorealistic quality at 300 ppi. If I were to get 5 by 7 prints, the photos your camera would produce wouldn't be tolerable. Not even talking about the fact that my camera uses 32 bit color.

        Add in the fact that it probably doesn't have flash and other nice camera features like red eye, etc... you'll have to conclude that it's no replacement for a digital camera.

        • Yes, but what I commented was your claim that it could only send pictures to other MMS compatible phones, which was wrong. I also commented on your belief that I didn't know the difference between MMS and MMC, and merly misspelled MMS, something I certainly did not.

          When talking about image-quality, I agree with you that 640x480 is not good enough, but the old VGA-resolution seems to be current top resolution among (the few available) imaging phones at the market. Anyway, this phone is probaly not meant as a competitor to dedicated digital cameras, but more as something to have handy, should a interesting/fun situation arise. :)
        • Bah. It's something extra they can throw on top of the existing product. It's not like they are looking to replace digital cameras, but it can put them into the hands of folks who might not otherwise buy one, and it will be useful for lesser tasks. You might imagine your cell phone will go places with you, but you'd have to go to extra effort to carry your (dedicated) camera everywhere...
        • Add in the fact that it probably doesn't have flash and other nice camera features like red eye, etc... you'll have to conclude that it's no replacement for a digital camera.

          Do even understand that red eye comes from flash? Of course it's not replacement to digi, but it's better than nuffin, and it's always there.

  • How about devices that do ONE THING *well*? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Primordiax ( 605118 ) on Friday September 20, 2002 @01:58PM (#4299074) Homepage
    I realize I am bucking the trend here, but what I really want to see is less of this combo crap and more SINGLE FUNCTION devices (and software apps, for that matter) that do one major thing and do it extremely well.

    For example:

    Internet suites suck. I want a stand alone email program that just does email and does an amazing job of it. I want a stand alone newsreader for usenet. I want a stand alone browser. I want a stand alone IM program (which, incidentally, talks to anyone on any IM network of course).

    I want a PDA that does an amazing job at being a PDA. It doesn't need to do MP3s. It doesn't need to take (or show) pictures. It doesn't need to operate as my TV remote or my garage door opener.

    I want a printer that just PRINTS. Has anyone noticed the complete LACK of innovation in the printer space? Why haven't color LASER printers at 10+ page per minute speed come to the consumer level ($200 and under). All we get are a variety of inkjet printers with various extra features tacked on (fax, scan, etc). They do a crappy job of scanning and a crappy job of faxing (of course, fax machines are all crap and it is a technology that needs to die, but that is a whole different matter).

    I want my scanner to scan. I want my fax to fax (I actually want it to die, but I really shouldn't keep getting distracted by my fax hatred). I want my printer to PRINT.

    Is this too much to ask? Combo devices generally do everything poorly. I would rather have devices that do ONE thing and do it GREAT.

  • GSM, HSCSD and GPRS (Score:2, Informative)

    by mah! ( 121197 )
    Another preview dated Sept 16. of the 3650 is to be found at GSMBOX [gsmbox.com] and of course at all their other sites, including the original one [gsmbox.com].

    They english translation says that it's targeted at European, Asian and North American markets however, being a 3-band GSM it means that it'll work quite everywhere in the world except in Japan: all across Africa for example, and in South America too.

    As in the original article [gsmbox.com] it'll be initially marketed in those 3 continents, but nothing prevents it from being sold and used anywhere else.

    Curiously enough, non-GSM users are left out for now. Hopefully, at least in the North-American continent, the (late) conversion to GSM by AT&T will speed up the conversion of the last 30% of the world maket to the dominant global standard [gsmworld.com].

  • talk while they drive, but these mental marvels who have a hard time chewing gum and thinking at the same time will be taking pictures of the Big Mac they're eating at 73 mph.

    "Dude! Check it out! This pickle slice looks like Elvis! Hey! Nooo! ..Ahhhhhhhhhhhh.....!"*CRASH*

    Sounds like I'll be telecommuting.

  • I've seen one of these things . . . (Score:5, Interesting)

    by hamsterdude ( 610279 ) on Friday September 20, 2002 @02:06PM (#4299120)
    And they are pretty nice in real life. One of my friend's dad works at Nokia and now has one of these phones and boy is it nice. The keypad is weird at first, but apparently a represtative sample of text-messagers in the UK said that the keypad was better than the regular style once you get the hang of it. The one strange thing, though, is that there's no cover over the lense (well there is but it's transparant and perminantly there and permenantly open to scratches). At first I was a little paranoid about this but apparently they tested it by literally scrubbing it with sandpaper for half an hour and not a scratch! It's also impervious to keys and change in your pocket - the only way to seriously damage it is to take a scalpal to it! The software on the phone was all development/old versions but it's going to have RealOne and, apparently, real internet browsing (Has God answered the prayer's of millions? Is W@P dead?) and other goodies. The phone has the usual Nokia tactile feel, though perhaps a little more plasticy than previous phones (think transition from Palm III to M100 without the shambolic hardware issues). And generally is pretty sweet. I can't wait to see the polished production version!!!
  • if the number pad is semi-circular, how the heck will i play snake ????
  • The phone looks really cool, but PLEASE give it a regular phone keypad!!! If I want a rotary dial, I'll go get some old pulse dialing phone.

  • I don't like the keypad. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by pomakis ( 323200 ) <pomakis@pobox.com> on Friday September 20, 2002 @02:14PM (#4299180) Homepage
    I don't like the keypad. It'd be awkward to everybody who's used to the standard 3x4 array of buttons, which is, well, everybody!

    The least they could have done is arranged the circular buttons in clockwise order so that they'd be layed out in a way similar to the old rotary-dial phones.

    • When you first use this phone you are able to dial numbers. Why? because the digits are on each buttons, and you just hunt-and-peck your way along. But the real beauty of this UI is for expert users, and everyone is an expert user of their cellphone. By arranging the buttons radially, you have a much easier time dialing blindly. Check out the keypad, there's a nice buttonless space for your thumb to go when you grab the phone in your pocket. From there, each button is easily naviagble. In fact, it's somewhat similar to mozilla's pie menus [mozdev.org]. They're going for ease of use while dialing blindly, and they know that whoever get's this as their phone will have more than enough time to become an expert at using it. That's because people use it every day. Handspring made the mistake of not enabling blind dialing in their Treo [handspring.com] phone. Because the touch screen has no texture, it's impossible to find the buttons without looking.

      So don't look at the nokia layout as an attmpt to be retro or to emulate a rotary phone, they're trying to make it easy for people to effortlessly use thier phone without looking. And there's no reason to stick to the 3x4 layout. Most cellphones' buttons are so different in size anyways that it's impossible to blind dial one after constantly using another. Therefore, they might as well rearrange them completely.
      • Umm...it's pretty easy to "blind dial" on my existing Nokia 3somethingorother that has the traditional (ok, non-rotary!) layout. Top left key is 1, the rest follows from there. It works the same as your average TV remote -- they may be in different places but you are going to find a similar number layout. Easy to work in the dark.
    • Rotary phones numbers are listed counter-clockwise. When you dialed, you turned the wheel clockwise, with "1" being the shortest.

      The number here just aren't in quite the same position.
  • From here [snpp.com]:

    % At the gun club meeting, Moe holds up a rifle, attached via strings
    % and rods to four smaller weapons.

    Moe: And that's how, with a few minor adjustments, you can turn a regular
    gun into five guns. [receives applause]

    M@
  • I wonder if the original "Symbian" company will sue Nokia for stealing the name. I mean, I'll be really confused now when I see popups for "Hot XXX girls RIDE THE SYMBIAN"... Hmmm, have they created a new fetish niche?


  • I still don't see a market for these phones. Most people that want to carry a camera around with them want *usuable* pictures from it.

    Just buy an elph.
  • That most sci-fi writers in the seventies, sixties
    and earlier forecasted creation of videotelephones
    but usually they mean desk-mounted ones,
    not mobile ones...
  • Here are the preliminary prices of the new Nokia models including 3650 (625).

    http://www.idesan.pp.fi/nokia.html

  • LOCK THAT KEYPAD! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by tweakt ( 325224 ) on Friday September 20, 2002 @03:07PM (#4299504) Homepage
    I've heard a lot of stories of cellphones accidently dialing
    numbers when in someone's pocket or bag. Sometimes this occurs
    during incriminating or embarrassing situations, and typically
    the number on the other end will be a friend or relative since
    they are going to be the last dialed number, or someone on a
    speed dial entry.

    Now pause for a moment, and imagine the implications of a
    video-cellphone accidently dialing your parents at a bad
    time...

    On a more serious note, I've also read about cell phones being
    used intentionally for this sort of spying. Ones that can
    auto-answer calls silently are inconspicuously left in a board
    room or someone's office, and then later, can be called in order
    to eavesdrop.

    They typcially dont raise any concerns because, hey "Its just a
    cell phone, someone probably forgot it, and will come back to get
    it".

    Now... adding video to the technique may prove to be interesting
    or problematic (depending on which side you are on).

    • Buy a phone (Ericsson, Siemens and Sony all have this function) that will... automatically block your keypad after a few minutes of non-use.

      Technology actually making life easier... whudathunkit.
      • My Nokia 3310 unlocks itself, just by the act of sitting in my pocket whilst I travel to work or college.

        This is standard, but i've also accumulated about 20 new 'names' and 'numbers' in my address book from it being jiggled about.

        I'm just waiting forthe day for it to SMS me and tell me i've forgotten to buy milk.

  • Sprint. (Score:1, Redundant)

    by unicron ( 20286 )
    Sprint makes a camerphone that just utterly blows this one out of the water, if for nothing more than it doesn't look like a fisher price toy.

    I've begun to notice that gadgets are either going the "look ultra futuristic" or "look like something only a 2 year old or a raver would want" paths. I for one want all my gadgets chrome or black.


  • A cell phone named "Symbian".. Small enough to fit you-know-where, and vibrate.

    My culture has destroyed itself.

    Cheers,
  • I mean, you guys are bitching about phones that take pictures. You want a camera that takes a good picture. You want an MP3 player that holds tens of gigs. You want a phone that goes for a week with a single charge and is very light.

    Umm. You can buy these things right now. I have.

    But do I carry my Nomad jukebox in my pocket all the time? Hell no. Do I have my Olympus Camedia hanging in my neck all the time? Nope.

    I picked up a Nokia 7650 recently. I've been a Nokia person for ages (save for an odd Motorola or Ericcsson here and there, only to be disgusted by their lack of user-friendliness).

    It's a bit bulky. It does not play MP3s. It can only take pretty lousy pictures with its fixed focus VGA-res camera. It's short on memory and is a bit slow. The built-in PIM is OK, but it does not have a spreadsheet. I would be happier with a small keyboard or a touchscreen for text entry.

    But... doesn't it just cry out the possibility of an ultra pocket device? Isn't it where we're headed? There are very small cameras out there that take very nice pictures. There are very small MP3 players. There are very small phones. Combine them without trade-offs, and you got my $2000.

    I don't know what's this "I like my scanner to scan" attitude. (And I have no idea what's +4, Interesting about it at all.) I like my scanner to scan too - I just don't mind if it's the same machine as my fax and printer, conveniently hooked up to my PC with a USB cable.

    I actually don't like the fact that they did not integrate an ISDN phone into it.
  • Nokia is making a Sybian [sybian.com]cellphone?? WTF??

  • I'd like... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by aero6dof ( 415422 )
    How about a cellphone on a pcmcia card. Maybe with an optional bluetooth interface for the head set. Then I could plug it into a PDA, a laptop, or mabe a plain phone chassis.
    • How about a cellphone on a pcmcia card.

      this? [nokia.com]

    • Verizon and others are offering the Sierra [sierrawireless.com] pcmcia card... I have one. It has a jack for a standard handsfree or headset. In my opinion, the phone is a novelty - it can't answer unless the PDA or laptop is powered up and ready (read:burning battery). Here, 1X service pretty much sucks speed-wise - web browsing is painful.. email is bad too... VPN during rush hour is next to useless.

      I have used it for telnet and it seems okay. In a pinch, it's handy, but I can't justify the expense.

      I'd rather have a 1X data capable phone and a blackberry.

      YMMV

  • is it me or are the /. editors repeating themselves?

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=39800&cid=4249 720 [slashdot.org] thread and article talk about this phone from like 2 weeks ago

  • whew! (Score:2)

    by salmo ( 224137 )
    When I first read the subject of this, I thought it said Simian Imaging phone. I thought this was one of those fancy phones for picture taking monkeys and I knew that this had to be part of the evil Ximian conspiracy for the advancement of all apes and ape-like creatures.

    You know, the one where they help shape Gnome into a desktop so easy to use that a spidermonkey could take over my job. I thought with a phone for that same monkey, he could soon take over a CxO (where x = E,T,F,O,etc.) position. But then I guess things like Enron would be a little bit easier to catch early on.

    Hear that screaming from upstairs?
    Yeah, sounds like Pooky the CFO is shredding documents again.

  • Missing things... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by z-man ( 103297 ) on Friday September 20, 2002 @06:12PM (#4300660)
    I just got a 3410, and to my grief, I shortly figured the only way to transfer apps to the 3xxx series is through WAP. Unlike the 7xxx series or even the 6xxx series. That is a real drawback for us midlet java programmers :(.
  • I've never actually used one of these phones, but i saw somebody with one and i got to hold it and i was trying to figure out how to dial but i couldnt, then she showed me. It was SOOO small and the design seemed really cool. Checkout the manual or the demo at this site. I'm not sure how much it costs though

    Motorla v70 [motorola.com]

  • anyone else see this as nokia/sybian phone?

    i mean, there's always been jokes about getting calls on a phone set to vibrate in your pants pocket, but that would be taking it one step further...
  • Oh wait...um, that was another device I was thinking of... ;)

    (let's just see who gets this)

    -JT
  • There are some good previews of the Nokia 3650 over on GSMBOX [gsmbox.com] and Howard Chui's site [howardchui.com]. I'd still vote for the 7210 though, integrated cam or not.
  • The fotofone (or whatever) is more than just a gadget.
    Adding MP3 players to GSMs does not create revenue.
    But digital cameras might.
    The hope of Nokia and SonyEricsson is that fotofones
    will drive new network usage, like SMS did.
    If this fails, like WAP did, Nokia and SonyEricsson are in deeeep trouble.

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