Gadget Guru Builds High-Tech Haven 227
Alexander Burke writes "In the 27,000-square-foot Carmel, Indiana home of Scott Jones, head of Escient Technologies, fireplaces ignite and drapes close on demand, televisions appear as if by magic and the ceilings play music. Touch-screen panels throughout the house run lights, security, heat and cooling systems, and video and audio libraries. Speakers are embedded in the walls and ceilings behind the plaster. The home includes a movie theater that seats 20 and has a wine cellar accessible only by fingerprint scan. Ted's outfit brings us more information."
Fates (Score:1)
Re:Fates (Score:3, Funny)
Two to six, out in 18 months with good behavior.
Another home automation project, in the UK (Score:2)
Re:Another home automation project, in the UK (Score:1)
Re:Another home automation project, in the UK (Score:2)
Shoddy.
Re:Another home automation project, in the UK (Score:3, Funny)
Hey, that house has some stuff worth pinching. Nice of you to put some photos on the web - make planning the job much easier.
I've emailed the link to my good friends Dodgy Dave and Mental Mickie.
Speakers in the walls... (Score:1)
Doesn't (Score:1)
Re:Doesn't (Score:2, Funny)
speakers (Score:2, Funny)
Re:speakers (Score:1)
Re:speakers (Score:1)
Re:speakers (Score:2)
Re:speakers (Score:2)
It's very good that you can no longer hear Britney, too
Where's the beef (Score:1)
I guess this is one of those stories where you are just supposed to drool and say "wow".
Re:Where's the beef (Score:1)
More information? (Score:3, Insightful)
More information? Hardly. That article was 278 words long, including headline and byline. The slashdot synopsis just about covered the entire thing.
No wait, let me quote it here (it won't even overflow a slashdot comment):
By Jeff Flock, CNN:
Yup. That's all folks. : )
Hmmm (Score:2, Funny)
Nice House (Score:2, Funny)
Oh, if these walls could talk!
Gotta love it... (Score:5, Interesting)
You gotta love this statement at the end:
Why does Jones need a home that includes a movie theater that seats 20 and wine cellar accessible only by fingerprint scan?
According to Jones, "I like to build things and change the world."
Sure, I like to build things and wouldn't mind changing the world, where is my 27,000 sq ft mansion? But really, how does this mansion change the world? I'm sure a lot of progress is being made to help the world out while he lounges around, having shades opened and lights turned on for him automatically, while he listens to some classical music on his hidden speakers as he heads to the wine cellar to get something tasty to drink. Yep, lots of progress going on there, I can see the world's problems just dissolving away.
I think he meant to say.......... (Score:2)
Re:Gotta love it... (Score:3, Insightful)
From the article:
If this techology makes it into everyday homes, then he's changed the world, for the better. What he's doing is just immersive research. And he's paying for it with his own money, which is more than can be said for our luxury-obsessed "leaders" talking about changing the world on their latest taxpayer-funded vacation in Jo'burg.
Re:Gotta love it... (Score:1)
I'm not sure that putting this technology into everybody's homes is going to necessarily make things better. Aren't people sedentary enough? And certainly putting speakers behind the walls is only of concern for people who can afford to have a speaker asthetic.
Also, check out this part of the article:
Unless he's the type to leap right out of bed and zip into the bathroom, isn't that a big waste of water? I know that it's not as big of a deal in Indiana, I guess, but it still seems like extravagant wastefulness to have someone "start the shower" for you (I always jump right in, and just give a little shudder for the half second of cold water). In Virginia, we have a drought that's so bad we now have mandatory water restrictions [state.va.us].
While his house is indeed "cool", I don't see this really "benefiting" humankind any more than, say, Theater Surround systems or MP3 players. They're neat, they're fun, and they're great for people who can afford them. But the truth is automated (or at least the best equivalent at the time) houses have been around forever, and always among the wealthiest of the population.
Re:Gotta love it... (Score:2)
OK, I'll put on my "hippie hat" for a minute and say that "at least it's more environmentally-sound than driving your SUV to the movie theater".
But the real reason is, as you guessed, convenience.
> But the truth is automated (or at least the best equivalent at the time) houses have been around forever, and always among the wealthiest of the population.
So ask your grandmother how her parents did the laundry when she was a kid. If your great-grandmother was lucky, she had a wringer she turned with a crank to speed up the drying process, and she didn't have to boil the water herself, because the coal-burning stove had a heat exchanger in the back of it to keep some water hot for bathing.
Flush toilets, basic refrigerators, frost-free refrigerators, self-cleaning ovens, hot water on tap, and laundry machines all started out as things that were "great for people who can afford them" too.
Re:Gotta love it... (Score:2)
Kintanon
Crude, ham-fisted approach. (Score:2)
I would *not* want this guy automating my house. No imagination.
Re:Gotta love it... (Score:2)
Re:Gotta love it... (Score:3, Insightful)
"You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong" -- Abraham Lincoln.
Re:Gotta love it... (Score:2)
Kintanon
Yes! I am flamebait! Fuck you Moderators! I can't even tell how much Karma I have anymore, but it's still OVER 50!
Re:Gotta love it... (Score:2)
And if you go back far enough, every civilization started out with what we classify as dirt nothing.
Culture and society developed in an effort to increase the reproduction rate and lifespan of the members of each society. Some did better than others, making them the 1st and 2nd world cultures. But everyone started out evenly.
Kintanon
Those leaders.... (Score:1)
Re:Gotta love it... (Score:2)
I believe they're talking about patent 5,475,748 which you can look up here [uspto.gov]. Was there really no prior art on this?
What he's doing is just immersive research. And he's paying for it with his own money...
So if we were able to see his tax return he wouldn't have possibly deducted the cost of the house as a business expense for research. No siree. Wouldn't do that. After all, the USPTO has already made him a rich man by giving him a monopoly on an idea, so why would he begrudge them some of those winnings?
Re:Gotta love it... (Score:2)
Re:Gotta love it... (Score:1)
Oh, changing the world is relatively easy. Lob an ICBM shell from your back yard in the states towards China.
Its M.A.D.!!!
Re:Gotta love it... (Score:2)
I can see the world's problems just dissolving away.
Yeah. One sits in the house and enjoys these luxuries. The rest of the world's problems dissolve away.
Re:Gotta love it... (Score:2)
> >
> > According to Jones, "I like to build things and change the world."
>
> Sure, I like to build things and wouldn't mind changing the world, where is my 27,000 sq ft mansion? But really, how does this mansion change the world? I'm sure a lot of progress is being made to help the world out while he lounges around, having shades opened and lights turned on for him automatically, while he listens to some classical music on his hidden speakers as he heads to the wine cellar to get something tasty to drink. Yep, lots of progress going on there, I can see the world's problems just dissolving away.
I'm willing to compromise on some things. For instance, rather than having a wine cellar (that could be full of Thunderbird and Wild Turkey for all we know) that had biometric access control, I'd settle for a wine cellar so well-stocked that it needed a biometric access control, even if it never got one.
But will some of you "that money could be spent on other people" folks kindly put your money where your mouth is, so we can settle this question once and for all? I'm willing to bet a million bucks of your money that owning a house like that would certainly dissolve the world's problems away for me!
And for the record - I'd even bet a million bucks of my money. I'm just short by about a million bucks at the moment.
(Why yes, it is my goal in life to have a personal answer to the question of whether or not money can buy happiness. I don't trust poor people or government officials when they insist that it can't. :-)
This is why the rest of the world hates us. (Score:2)
Re:This is why the rest of the world hates us. (Score:2)
Re:This is why the rest of the world hates us. (Score:2)
No.
Am I being judgemental?
Yes.
There is a difference between telling people they can't spend their money on what they want to, and on observing that its a complete and utter waste.
Re:This is why the rest of the world hates us. (Score:1)
Re:This is why the rest of the world hates us. (Score:2)
I wonder if he has a lawn or a garden. It's pretty hard to automate gardening and landscaping (although I've heard about crude automated lawn mowers.)
hyacinthus.
Re:This is why the rest of the world hates us. (Score:1)
Man, all our labor class is gonna be replaced by robots!
Where do you think all those butlers go when there not needed, huh? 'Magically' find a better job?
Someday, we won't even need to tell the computer to open the blinds... and what use will it have for us then.
(Yay for Terminator 3 coming soon!)
Re:This is why the rest of the world hates us. (Score:2)
I don't know the solution to the problem, though. It'd be nice if employers paid all their workers decent wages and benefits, but they don't and they won't.
"(Yay for Terminator 3 coming soon!)"
Ugh. The second was lame enough.
hyacinthus.
Re:This is why the rest of the world hates us. (Score:2)
I think you got one thing right accidentally, though: the reason *you* seem to hate this guy is because you don't have as much money as him, since you'd do the same thing if you did. Hmm.
-brennan
No wine during blackouts. (Score:1)
Re:No wine during blackouts. (Score:2)
What I'd like to know (Score:1)
I guess if you got enough money to spend...
Re:What I'd like to know (Score:1)
(remember the day the earth stood still? yeah, an invincible robot that conveniently melts tanks would be nice too)
Re:What I'd like to know (Score:2)
You mean like these? (PDF file) [lonmark.org]
Oh wait... These only work with OPEN systems. Not that closed architecture lutron stuff.
and you dont have to be overpaid to do it. (Score:5, Informative)
a "wired" home as to speak of takes nither genius nor requires buttloads of money. I have pretty much the equilivient for around $1500.00 spent with another $1500.00 to be spent on the whole house audio next month. I have a massive 1285 Sq foot home with a mind boggling 10 rooms (excluding the garage and back yard) so I am way above what most people can even dream of (Ok the sarcasim is a bit thick) Yes, I had to program misterhouse for my needs..
Re:and you dont have to be overpaid to do it. (Score:2)
A 1285 sq ft house with 10 rooms? Is this some sort of jail or something? That's just slightly more than 11 x 11 per room. My bedroom by itself is 11 x 13, exluding an attached closet/storage room and my computer extension which together add another 8 x 7. And they feel like a damn fox hole. The other main areas of my house are 3 to 4 times larger. Unless this is some sort of dorm/rental house, then I would understand. If not, then you should go ahead and knock some walls down and make it much more roomy.
Re:and you dont have to be overpaid to do it. (Score:2)
Misterhouse is cool, but I'd rather use some other HA technology than X-10.
Re:and you dont have to be overpaid to do it. (Score:2)
Its also slow. While the time between a button press and the lamp turning on is almost instantanious, if you're detecting an event then responding to it separately, it will take a minimum of two seconds to get feedback, which is almost useless if you're you're using motion sensors to capture pictures or anything else where responses in the milliseconds are preferred.
Still, for low cost consumer grade products, they serve their purpose well. Even if you despise X10 for obvious reasons, you can wire your entire house with X10 compatible products from different companies. However, anyone planning to wire every single electrical device in the house probably can justify a different approach.
-Restil
Yeah, nice... um... tour. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Yeah, nice... um... tour. (Score:2, Informative)
(I happen to know the landscaping company's owners.)
This guy is a Geek like the rest of us! (Score:4, Insightful)
Hey, how many of us bought the friggin X-10 cam bundles for 99.99? So we can see what our servers do while we are at Comdex?
How many of us don't have gigs of mp3's in the car? Even built one before commercial players were for sale?
The guy is just ab ubergeek who made some cash and modded the shit outta his house. More power to him!
I would kill to have my own theater. John Carpenters The Thing, Big Trouble in Little China, big screen cheese fests for me and the bodies. And imagine Ron Jeremy on the big screen? Yikes.
We would all do something similar if we had the cash. We all got some weird wants.
What are some of the weird things you would do with bucks? Besides being altruistic?
Puto
Re:This guy is a Geek like the rest of us! (Score:3, Funny)
If I ever visit your theater, remind me to sit behind you
No he's not (Score:1)
Besides, this asshole owns CDDB, fucking parasite.
Re:This guy is a Geek like the rest of us! (Score:1)
well, why don't you kill the twat in the article and steal his house then, as you seem to dig it so much.
What would I do? (Score:5, Funny)
Two chicks at the same time.
Re:What would I do? (Score:2)
"Not all chicks do"
"The kind of chicks that would double up on a guy like me do."
"Good point"
Re:This guy is a Geek like the rest of us! (Score:2)
v1.0 house (Score:2)
Now I'm going to hack into his wine cellar and spoil his chablis...
Re:This guy is a Geek like the rest of us! (Score:2)
from his website: Cyberspace Connections. All Internet-capable devices are on the same network and use a T1 line, which allows connection to the Internet at lightning speed.
Re:This guy is a Geek like the rest of us! (Score:2)
Re:This guy is a Geek like the rest of us! (Score:2)
Much more information here (Score:2, Informative)
I like Escient (Score:5, Informative)
Closed technology (Score:3, Informative)
An alternative is open technology supported by companies like Leviton, Samsung, Siemens, Philips, Honeywell, Johnson Controls, Trane, Cisco, and Many others world wide. See Echelon [echelon.com] who developed the technology, and the Lonmark [lonmark.org] site which has info on integrators, manufacturers, etc.
Re:Closed technology (Score:2)
Re:I like Escient (Score:2)
I sincerely hope for Escient's sake you are not a service rep. If you were, a far, far better way to handle the situation would have been to email me from an escientsolutions.com account with your apologies that the system was not performing as specified and offer to help the friend get in touch with the appropriate people at Escient, whether or not he had already done that. As-is, I'm forced to conclude that this kind of immature behavior may have something to do with the unreliable nature of the system...
asking for trouble? (Score:3, Insightful)
While Jones is traveling, he can check in on his abode via the Internet. As part of the security system, cameras are trained on every room of the house and every entrance. He can go on the Web and with a few clicks, zoom in on parts of the house or unlock doors from half a world away.
Now is it just me, or is this asking for trouble?
Re:asking for trouble? (Score:2)
wine cellar? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:wine cellar? (Score:2)
Antiques? (Score:2)
'Nuff said.
One little backhoe accident ... (Score:1)
Speakers behind the plaster: "The woofer needs adjustment. Get the hammers!"
that's not a knife! (Score:2)
Re:that's not a knife! (Score:2)
ahem.
THIS [havenco.com] is a data haven.
And you don't have to be a millionaire either... (Score:1, Interesting)
a "wired" home as to speak of takes nither genius nor requires buttloads of money. I have pretty much the equilivient for around $1500.00 spent with another $1500.00 to be spent on the whole house audio next month. I have a massive 1285 Sq foot home with a mind boggling 10 rooms (excluding the garage and back yard) so I am way above what most people can even dream of (Ok the sarcasim is a bit thick) Yes, I had to program misterhouse for my needs..
I'm shocked! (Score:1)
Scott Jones ruined CDDB (Score:5, Informative)
Dakota Flushboy (Score:2)
Is this guy an idiot? This sort of thing is like hanging a sign out front and asking the script-kiddies, "Pleaze, dudez, hack my house. Hack my shower."
Why in the world would I want my appliance merged with anything having to do with the internet?
So some pimply faced kid named 'Dakota Flushboy' can come and make my convection oven turn on instead of my toaster?
"Hooo-boy, Dakota, you got me. You really did."
Guru? (Score:2)
Main Entry: guru
Pronunciation: 'gur-(")ü also g&-'rü
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural gurus
Etymology: Hindi guru, from Sanskrit guru, from guru, adjective, heavy, venerable -- more at GRIEVE
Date: 1613
1 : a personal religious teacher and spiritual guide in Hinduism
2 a : a teacher and especially intellectual guide in matters of fundamental concern b : one who is an acknowledged leader or chief proponent c : a person with knowledge or expertise : EXPERT
Hmm
And his utility bill is...? (Score:2)
I'm betting this stuff isn't run off a solar panel in the roof... No wonder you Americans don't wnat to sign up to Kyoto - it's all the US geeks bvoting against it so they can power up their home cinemas with dropdown TVs and 1000 megawatt surround sound!
black out? (Score:2)
Re:black out? (Score:2)
Unless his locks all 'fail safe'. Then all you need to do to get in is cut power and wait for the big CLICK.
I hope his video and audio libraries are licensed. (Score:3, Insightful)
Reuse? (Score:2)
Nice, but... (Score:2)
Even waking up in the morning is a high-tech venture. His alarm clock neither beeps nor buzzes; instead, music begins to play, curtains open on sunshine and lights switch on. And in the bathroom, the shower starts flowing.
This is one of the more useful features of his house, in my opinion. This is something I would actually use, aside from the bathroom water flowing. After all...light would wake me...but the water would just be wasted as I hit the snooze button 300 times.
Also, the ability to check in on my house from the internet might also be very useful to me. But until security is tested by several thousands of teenage hackers, I'm not about to put my house on the internet.
While there is a certain level of cooless factor here, I'm not ready to have a technology house yet. I don't want to get too lazy.
But is it worth it? (Score:3)
For a TV fanatic (just about everyone), the large TV coming down from the ceiling is a good idea. However how much of the rest is useful?
The switches in my house work just fine, I walk into the room and turn it on. No looking, because they are all standard I can walk into just about any dark room and turn on the light, and little effort is required. (Note, europe seems to run on a different standard and I can't always find their switches). How is a touch screen different? When a mechanical switch wears out I can fiddle with it a few times until I get the parts to replace it.
The reason the "House of the future" has never caught on is that most of the ideas are not really better. A mechanical light switch is cheap (50 cents), and uses no power. A touch, voice, or motion switch is much more exepnsive, and needs power to operate. In other words, it wastes electrisity without providing functionality we need.
That isn't to say all new technology isn't better. Most houses should be built with sorround sound, because people would use that.
Remember, when building a house, consider what you would really use. It might be interesting to know what the tempature of each room it, but in the end who cares?
And now we know... (Score:2)
World changes aren't always a good thing (Score:2)
And I thought MY house was wired! (Score:2)
-Restil
EMP (Score:2)
Then again, I suppose if either of those events were to happen, maybe audio/video on demand and cool touchscreens wouldn't be your biggest worries.
What happens when stuff breaks? (Score:2)
Re:Scott's Personal WebSite (Score:1)
bad taste American style - the worst there is!
Re:Everyone needs a 27,000 sq. ft. house. (Score:2)
Carmel, Fishers, Hamilton County. (Score:2)
Another Hamilton County fact: Those around here knew Clinton was going to beat Bush Sr. because Clinton was polling as high as 15%. That's astoundingly high for a county that regularly votes 96% Republican.
Re:Carmel, Fishers, Hamilton County. (Score:2)
This kind of thing may be common other places but seeing it in Indiana was kind of surprising.