Do-it-yourself CPU Water Cooler 207
Foss writes "This article on EIMod.com shows a (very) cheap and effective way of getting that usually-expensive water cooling system that many of us have thought about. There are some pretty pictures too :)"
cheap and easy... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:cheap and easy... (Score:3, Funny)
Wow (Score:1, Flamebait)
String and rubber bands? (Score:2, Funny)
This looks reliable!
http://www.eimod.com/overclocking/rob/wc_2_ok/p
Also, look how dusty the case is. This guy must live in a barn!
Re:String and rubber bands? (Score:1)
Re:String and rubber bands? (Score:1)
Re:String and rubber bands? (Score:2)
Re:String and rubber bands? (Score:3, Informative)
For the benefit of that guy, if he's reading...
1) Most of your water will go straight in and straight out again without doing much cooling. A heatsink should force the water to go all the way round the heatsink - try adding some baffles inside the box to improve that.
2) Have you never heard of hose clips? 50c each and 100% reliable at clamping off flexible hoses without leakage.
3) Get some heatsink compound between the heatsink and the processor. Without it, a fair chunk of the heat is never even getting to the heatsink, so the whole point of having a nice efficient heatsink is wasted.
Grab.
Instructions that you don't want to see (Score:5, Funny)
These are the sorts of instructions I don't like to see in a mod! At least it doesn't mention chewing gum...
Re:Instructions that you don't want to see (Score:1)
Re:Instructions that you don't want to see (Score:1)
Seriously though, a watercooling solution using duct tape is something that only Red Green would do ^_^
Although Duct Tape is good enough for astronauts... it's policy to have a roll of good ole Duct Tape on space missions...
Re:Instructions that you don't want to see (Score:2)
Chewing Gum? (Score:1)
RonB
Re:Instructions that you don't want to see (Score:2)
- use a double knot to stop the string coming undone and use only cotton string!
These are the sorts of instructions I don't like to see in a mod!Uh, I stopped taking it seriously after the "You can buy a hammer in any DIY store", and the use of rubber bands instead of, ooh, what's those things you use to clamp hoses...? Hose clamps! (aka jubilee clips). It's an interesting little hack, but if you need to be told where to buy a hammer or soldering iron, you're probably better off not mixing water and electricity.
Cheap and effective? (Score:3, Insightful)
Sure, for the ten minutes that the article mentions that the pump runs before overheating.
Re:Cheap and effective? (Score:1)
bbh
Re:Cheap and effective? (Score:3, Funny)
At last.... (Score:1)
Next stop, fried CPU....
Nice job.... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Nice job.... (Score:2)
Re:Nice job.... (Score:2)
one of the better ones that i've seen.... (Score:3, Interesting)
A Case with HOSES!!! (Score:1)
RonB
Liquid Nitrogen Cooling (Score:5, Interesting)
Why go to all this trouble? This [octools.com] is obviously the way of the future.
Re:Liquid Nitrogen Cooling (Score:1)
This link refers to Liquid Nitrogen-cooled Fluorinert [3m.com](tm) FC-40 (Link points to 3M's page for this)...
An expensive yet cool (pardon the pun
Eeek! (Score:4, Funny)
Then I read about the cotton...!
Re:Eeek! (Score:1)
he could have used super-glue instead!
Agree (Score:1)
For that matter, how about some links to some good overclocking sites with some solid information?
RonB
Water Cooler? (Score:1)
Hopefully it will increase productivity.
Ohhh...water cooling for CPU's? My bad.
Re:Water Cooler? (Score:2)
Has anyone just stuck the board in the fridge? (Score:4, Interesting)
-S
Re:Has anyone just stuck the board in the fridge? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Has anyone just stuck the board in the fridge? (Score:2)
Re:Has anyone just stuck the board in the fridge? (Score:1)
I shut my refrigerator down nightly, how about you?
Re:Has anyone just stuck the board in the fridge? (Score:2)
con-con-conde, con-k-cond, oh, moisture! (Score:2)
Heh (Score:2)
if he had used dental floss to hold the heatsink on instead of plain ol' string?
C-X C-S
Interesting...but why? (Score:1)
Aah (Score:2)
What cools the pump, an underclocked '286? (Score:4, Funny)
Or should he just get a water cooler to put on the pump, which would in turn need a water cooler for ITS pump, which would need a water cooler for ITS pump, which would . . . oh, wait, this is infinite nesting, isn't it?
Re:What cools the pump, an underclocked '286? (Score:4, Informative)
I do hope that he used thermal grease -- the article doesn't say one way or the other, but even a perfect heat sink can't cool well if the heat has trouble getting _to_ it.
One thing that did kind of bother me: "Although it seems that copper would be best suited for making a water block, I'm not entirely convinced without physical proof." It scares me that anyone who has to ask would be doing this! Copper is indeed the best material, unless you are on a NASA cost plus 10% contract, then use gold and increase your profit.
Ugly - wife would not approve (Score:1, Funny)
I have to screen all the computers I buy with my wife. If it doesn't fit with the decoration, it's not coming in.
Parents (Score:1)
Convenience (Score:1, Funny)
Geez (Score:3, Interesting)
Oh, and it'd work for more than 10 minutes too!
The things a guy will do...
Re:Geez (Score:2)
Travis
Re:Geez (Score:2)
Go ahead and donate that dollar to some charity in my name. Thanks!
He should talk to a plumber (Score:1)
He should take a look at some aquariums as well. That would take care of finding a pump that can run continually w/out overheating. I would think it has to be much cheaper than pumps built for remote controled submarines.
Some small compression fittings would take care of the tube problem. Maybe some o-rings instead of rubberbands on the outside. I can think of a few ideas that would involve more than just pressure on the outside of the tubing. (That's why he had such a tough time stopping the leaks- he tried to tackle it all from the outside)
Very nice box- a little tweaking and it would be very applicable for anyone.
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Not bad (Score:1)
Still, these designs look good, and with a better pump, I would love to see some long term tests with this.
RonB
Why water, try oil. (Score:4, Insightful)
Water conducts electrisity. Well, pure water doesn't, but pure water will eat metal until it does conduct. That means you have to keep your water carefully sererate from everything else.
By contrast, oil doesn't conduct, doesn't disolve metal. Fill your case with oil, and you have better cooling than air, and much easier to deal with. (Note, oil isn't as good as water for heat capacity, but it is still better than air and has all the other advantages)
Re: Why water? (Score:4, Funny)
So why would we opt for water, which would be a less than optimal coolant? Because hot water makes *coffee*. Imagine! You could have a water-cooled server *and a coffee machine* all in the same rackmount!
The possibilities are endless.
Re: Why water? (Score:2)
Re:Why water, try oil. (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Why water, try oil. (Score:2)
Re:Why water, try oil. (Score:2)
Re:Why water, try oil. (Score:2)
Liquid Teflon could only be orders of magnitude more effective in waterproofing your shorts.
--Blair
It's called fluorinert (Score:2)
Fluorinert liquids are a family of clear, odourless perfluorinated fluids that were developed to meet the demanding and diversified requirements of direct contact electronic applications.
Fluorinert liquids have a number of important properties:
Very high dielectric strength
Wide range of boiling points
Thermally and chemically stable
Compatible with sensitive materials
Very low toxicity
Non-flammable
Zero Ozone Depletion Potential (ODP)
It's really cool stuff, and it's starting to find applications all over the place. For example, it turns out that fluorocarbons absorb oxygen really well, so a colloid of fluorinert is used as an artificial blood. It really is the ideal solution for the problem of processor cooling, but I can't for the life of me figure out from the web how to get some and how much it would cost. There shouldn't be any problems with overclockers getting their hands on it, since with the non-toxicity and inertness, it's not particularly hazardous stuff.
Re:It's called fluorinert (Score:2)
Other liquids (Score:2)
I wonder whether liquid nitrogen is feasible. That would be a great cooling system for a Beowulf cluster: remove the cases, hard disks etc and just stack motherboards really close together in a big bathtub filled with cold liquid.
Re:Other liquids (Score:1)
Re:Other liquids (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Other liquids (Score:2)
Distilled water is an insulator. If you drop your toaster into your bath, and you are bathing with distilled water, you will be fine. It is the ions in solution that carry charge.
Do slashdot editors read the stories they link to? (Score:2, Insightful)
Rubber bands? (Score:1)
Personal Experience (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Personal Experience (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Personal Experience (Score:2)
You say that as though it's a bad thing...
I hear you, but bear in mind this is written for people who need to be told that "You can purchase a hammer in any DIY shop". Besides, there's that whole "guts beats hard work" mentality that's infested our psyche. How do you know who the Bad Guy is in a film? Easy, he's the one working out. The Good Guy is out partying, but it's OK, he'll beat the Bad Guy in the fist fight because, shucks, he's got guts.
Uh, back on topic, that's pretty much the same attitude we're seeing here. Not "how you can do it right," but "here's how little you can do". Hacking for slackers. I like hacking (in all senses), but I prefer to see people hacking new toys, not just making shoddy replicas of commercial kit. I'd rather read about an innovative hack that's too hard for me to replicate than a shoddy hack that there's no point in me replicating, because it's inferior to a stock commercial product in every way. :(
Another Water Cooling Project Link (Score:1)
I prefer this one!
with link now (Score:2, Informative)
Home made Oil Cooling (Score:1)
With link now (Score:1)
look at what I found on eimod.com (Score:1)
http://www.eimod.com/overclocking/rob/veg_oil/ind
Re:look at what I found on eimod.com (Score:4, Insightful)
That's cool though- they are just thinking up ideas and trying them out. They are not worrying too much about convention apparently.
How many great ideas started that way?
More than I could name.
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Watercooling works great (Score:5, Informative)
I run a watercooled machine as my primary work box. It's great, and the noise savings were incredible. No more whirrrrrr. Fits snugly into a standard mid tower case.
I have a page up with all the details of contsruction [nyx.net] for you who are interested. I've been running it for a few months, 24/7, and there have been no problems whatsoever. I took a few additional precautions, but the system as been moved around several times without any difficulties whatsoever and I highly recommend it to others who are interested.
Re:Watercooling works great (Score:1)
Re:Watercooling works great (Score:3, Informative)
However, the box is on 24/7 since then and hasn't had so much as a hiccup
Thanks for the compliments on the page, too
seems like a pretty complex way to make awaterbloc (Score:3, Informative)
i never got the results back, but if anyone's interested, i can get the data to you, along with pics and more details.
Re:seems like a pretty complex way to make awaterb (Score:2)
Water cooler huh? (Score:1)
Sorry, I'll just stop now.
An awful lot of trouble (Score:1)
all he needs (Score:1)
this is as bad as reicer cars that have stickers and scoops to 'boost' horsepower.
Wow! (Score:1)
Hose Clamps (Score:2)
Rubber bands? You gotta be kidding!
A much better way to mate the hose to the copper tubing is to use a hose clamp [amazon.com]. These can be obtained from any DIY or auto parts store, and cost less than a dollar each.
Hydroponic CPU's (Score:4, Interesting)
if you turn the thing on with a cool reservoir, the CPU temp stays below 76F. but after being on for 10 hours, the reservoir temperature raises to about 113F due to my lack of money to buy a real radiator. so my equilibrium CPU temp with an Athlon XP 1600 is 123F, when the fan it came with ran it at 145F.
you can see pictures and stuff here [mit.edu].
granted, copper slugs and machining equipment and "free" swagelock (and peltiers!) is not something everyone has, but use what you got, right?
hope someone finds it useful or interesting.
muerte
You don't need a radiator... (Score:4, Interesting)
...to shed heat from the coolant. Just run the water coming from the cpu to a shower head (or similar) suspended above an open reservior. The water is dispersed by the shower head (increasing surface area) and cooled by the air as it falls into the container below.
Granted, this approach requires an open reservoir outside of the case, but it's simple, effective, and cheap.
Bonus: it can also replace those stupid "Sounds of Nature" tapes that people use for background noise at bedtime.
Re:You don't need a radiator... (Score:2, Interesting)
then you would have to clean out the whole thing with CLR or some crap, and it would be a huge pain. and good system should be as closed as possible while still allowing for some thermal expansion of trapped air.
the trick is to find a good radiator, CHEAP. or free. maybe a heater core from a car from a junkyard? maybe the heat exchanger from a junked air conditioner?
the hard part is not getting the heat from the CPU to the water, but getting the heat from the water into the air.
muerte
Re:You don't need a radiator... (Score:2)
Even Better Water Cooling Solution! (Score:2)
Finally I came up with a water cooling solution [eastlink.ca] that was easy, simple, and , best of all, completely free!
The picture isn't so good (it's a little hard to make out the details of the PC), but I'm sure everyone can do this mod too!
Ouch! (Score:5, Funny)
Maybe it's just me, but wouldn't covering yourself with solder hurt like hell?
God... (Score:2)
And how is there a benefit? My Celeron-2 600 sits at 36 degrees celcius and it is only cooled by a fan on the processor and two fans in the case. If attaching a water cooling system like his to mine only causes a 10 degrees difference in temperature, why should I care? Unless it got to the point of being 15 or 20 degrees cooler, I can give a rat's ass about it.
Yet putting my system in liquid freon would be an option. How does a non-conductive cold liquid sound for cooling a system?
What's the point? (Score:2)
I guess what I'm getting at is this: why bother with any of this overclocking nonsense anymore? What on earth can it possibly buy you nowadays, other than a voided warranty and a fried CPU?
- A.P.
Re:What's the point? (Score:3, Interesting)
There's two reasons for you right there
Interesting, but (Score:2, Funny)
This is just part of the solution.. (Score:2)
The way it's currently implemented there is really no point. Good air heat sinks remain close to room temperature so they'll cool just as well as this water cooler. To actually improve the cooling you need so either cool the water or utilize a peltor with the water cooler to drop the temp below room temperature.
Willy
Easier Way (Score:2, Funny)
Snipes (Score:2, Interesting)
2.) Use caulk to seal the hose to the piping.
3.) Look around (larger Chinese groceries are good) for pre-formed metal trays, some of which have mtal lids that could be caulked shut.
This story actually teaches a lot... (Score:5, Informative)
This story actually teaches a lot about how not to build a water-cooling system for a CPU.
Some specific observations:
BTW, I prefer Indium foil as the thermal gasket between the CPU and heat sink, not thermal grease. Unfortunately, Indium is usually as expensive as gold.
Re:This story actually teaches a lot... (Score:2)
It can indicate that, but it's not a sure indication; in fact it can be a good thing!
The temperature difference of the water is inversely proportional to flow rate- big flow rate gives low delta-t. So it depends on how powerful his pump is. A more powerful pump will mean that the chip stays cooler, provided that the inlet temperature doesn't rise.
Clamps; check
A reservoir may well be all that is required, provided the temperature stays well within spec.
Indium? I think I start to see a pattern to your comments.
What a hack. (Score:2)
should be : (s core: +5, funny) (Score:1)