New And Improved LCDs 96
Ender42 writes "Princeton scientists have created a variety of light-emitting materials that could greatly accelerate the development of flat-panel computer screens and other compact video displays. The discovery, a feat of engineering materials at the level of quantum mechanics, also may yield insights into the basic properties of light-emitting substances. " Practically speaking this means cheaper, higher res, lower power LCD displays.
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Re:Stop thinking in the windows world! (Score:1)
twi (linden@rhein.com)
Re:Correction (Score:1)
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cool!! (Score:1)
Wow! (Score:1)
Re:Stop thinking in the windows world! (Score:1)
High Res (Score:1)
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Re:High Res (Score:1)
Actually, LCD sizes are viewable, CRTs are tube size. A 15" LCD would be around 1" smaller than a 17". 1280x1024 on a 17" looks pretty good to me. I run 1280x1024 on my 19" (1600x1280 looks like some pixels aren't bright enough).
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Re:Correction (Score:1)
Finally, you'll be able to use the computer in bed!
Re:Excellent, now we just need to get... (Score:1)
Re:Excellent, now we just need to get... (Score:1)
Then again, having windows "in-proportion" is a nice idea, but pointless if the icons you're concerned about are, oh, 1 mm on a side.
Re:LED size (Score:1)
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Re:Agreed! (Score:1)
Re:Yeah right (Score:1)
Successful innovation in business has always been about making more and making them cheaper. If you can make twice as many at half the cost, you can easily cut your prices 25% or more over the competition and still make a killing. Free enterprise at work!
Re:High Res (Score:1)
Did you even read the article?
Re:Good, but still... (Score:1)
and please read the article next time.
Re:Correction (Score:1)
For a run down see
Cambridge Display Technologies - Technical Info [cdtltd.co.uk]
it gives a good technical overview of the technology.
Effectively since it is all on a polymer substrate they can make screens into an shape or size, e.g. a Display wrapped around a glass!
IIRC they had problems with premature burnout, i.e. after about ~5000 hours the display quality deteriorated rapidly. QFX
Re:Good, but still... (Score:1)
Additional funding came from the Department of Defense, the Air Force and the National Science Foundation.
When does the government stop stealing money through taxation and, through university research, giving it to businesses?
Re:Correction (Score:1)
LCDs work by blocking light. So, to make a panel to give off N brightness unit, the backlighting must be at least N bright, but it has to be brighter because even in transparent state you will not get 100% light transmission efficiency. (Even regular window glass only transmit 90% or so or light, I think).
LEDs work by light emission. If the LED emit N bightness unit, you only have to feed in the juice to give N brightness unit to get a N brightness unit panel...
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OLED is not an LCD (Score:1)
Liquid crystal displays actually have to realign crystal cells, which is quite a lengthy process (which causes the ghosting). LED's are just a P/N junction. Turn power on -> light starts as soon as the junction triggers. Turn power off -> light dies.
OLED's should have comparable performance to LED's, which can have refresh-rates in the megahertz.
Re:Excellent, now we just need to get... (Score:1)
Display Properties->Settings->Advanced->General
The setting is labeled "Font Size", but it just adjusts the screen's dpi setting (which is shown below the control). Fonts are most obviously affected, but the size of the window widgets will also scale. (Because they're just glyphs themselves: try removing Marlett from your font folder.) And, theoretically, WYSIWYG-aware apps will also scale properly.
<RANT>At least, that's how it's supposed to work in theory. In practice, I've found that most Windows apps are blissfully unaware of what the real screen resolution is. This is what happens when you implement a feature half-assed and provide barely adequate support, much less drawing attention to it or requiring adherence to the standard.
And it's not even that difficult to do. Wasn't the whole point of DDC to allow monitors to report their physical configuration back to the OS? But no! Most el-cheapo monitors can barely be asked to report non-generic information, much less resolution, gamma and phosphor characteristics necessary to create adequate WYSIWYG. So Windows is made to rely too much on INF files, encouraging the hardware manufacturers to put less effort into DDC. And as for your LCD, well WYSIWYG should be nothing more than trivial since LCDs have discrete pixels. So we always know the exact size of the screen, the size of the pixels, and therefore the exact resolution for any display size. How hard is it to divide 12.7" by 1600? But apparently, that kind of math is too complicated for Windows, and you have to tell Windows what the dpi is yourself, and in a dialog that takes no less than 5 clicks to access.</RANT>
ObOn-topic:
So would it be possible to make an organic laser-emitting diode based on this process?
Re:Yeah right (Score:1)
Now, how about a sheet-sized OLED acting as a backlight to a LCD screen.
Re:I beg to differ (Score:1)
sounds to me like this is ready for prime time.
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'twas already handled (Score:1)
1. Go to best buy.
2. in the computer section, ask sales person for a new (insert number, >15 here) inch monitor.
3. give man at cash register credit card, sign on dotted line.
4. go home
5. unconnect old monitor, connect new monitor
6. change resolution setting in OS of choice to one that fits your new monitor, ie: 17": 1024x768, 19":1280x1024, etc.
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Have I read this correctly? Are there any (Score:1)
I am the first to admit lack of knowlege but I was under the impression that light in the visible spectrum is a by-product of chemical reaction that occurs at the molecular level, not due to the molecules themselves. Can anyone clarify..
Oooh... (Score:1)
Well, it's a start.
-Ravagin
"Ladies and gentlemen, this is NPR! And that means....it's time for a drum solo!"
when will it stop? (Score:1)
Agreed! (Score:1)
Manufacturers need to stop shrinking down resolutions to the point of unreadability, and instead work on increasing real estate.
Meaning, I want everything to appear at the nice, legible size it shows up as at 1024x768. But I want the desktop size to be like 1600x1200 (or greater).
Same number of pixels per inch, just more pixels on the entire monitor.
This seems like such an obvious problem.. does anyone know if this is being addressed, anywhere?
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Re:bigger screens? or smaller screens? (Score:1)
Re:High Res (Score:1)
Re:Good, but still... (Score:1)
Princeton University has applied for a patent on Forrest's work and has licensed rights to the discovery to Universal Display Corporation
I can't see a company with control over this sort of technology not exploiting it for everything they can get.
Too bad (Score:1)
Re:when will it stop? (Score:1)
Re:Stop thinking in the windows world! (Score:1)
"Hey check out my 4500x3375 display... you need a 36 inch monitor to even see the text..."
Now why not take advantage of the possibilities and make everything look nice? Text, for example looks pretty much pixelized on todays screens.
Re:Excellent, now we just need to get... (Score:1)
Re:Have I read this correctly? Are there any (Score:1)
The light that you get from these kinds of materials is the result of electrons dropping from higher energy states to lower. When this happens, the energy is converted electromagnetic radiation. With the useful stuff this happens to be visible light. In any event, this happens at the atomic level, rather than the molecular.
Re:High Res (Score:2)
Running 1600x1200 on a 15" LCD screen would be unbearable. It's almost too small for my 21" CRT.
You are confusing screen resolution with screen object size. Having a screen that's 1024x768 and then moving to one that's 4096x3072 would be no problem if your new desktop had objects which were four times larger in each dimension, plus you'd have the advantage of sharper, higher resolution screen objects.
Most current desktops have too many things that are hardcoded to a set number of pixels, but fixing this is a simple matter of programming [tf.hut.fi]. As screen resolutions outpace physical desk size, I think people will make sure it's less of an issue.
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Lower costs? Maybe for production... (Score:2)
The material is cheaper to produce - thus production costs are lower. So the companies making it aren't paying as much to produce each unit...
End-user pricing, however, is largely based on features, rather than production costs. If these displays are brighter, higher-res, larger physically, etc... there is NO REASON for companies to price them much lower than the current offerings.
If they price 15" versions of these at the same level as current-tech 15" lcd screens, they'll have a boatload of stuff that the current-tech ones don't (higher-res, brighter, lower-power, etc...) -- that's the draw. For $999 which would you buy? This 15" lcd screen that'll do 1024x768, or this new-tech 15" led-based screen that's brighter, clearer, and will go up to 1600x1200? You'd choose the 2nd, based on featureset. It doesn't matter that the company is making a much larger profit off of it -- you're getting a better monitor for the same price.
End result: Better products for the same or slightly higher (b/c it's better) prices, while lining the producer's pockets a bit thicker.
(of course, there's always the possibility that a company would cut prices to undersell competitors, but that's fairly remote considering the profit to be made off these sorts of things)
Re:High Res (Score:2)
Then again, I don't think you'd want a 50 inch screen expanding out of your notebook on a flight in coach...
Re:High Res (Score:2)
Interestingly enough, people seem far more likely to accept smaller pixels on an LCD as opposed to a CRT. Why is that? I know the average res for a 15" monitor is 800x600 (sometimes 1024x768), but on a laptop, they go to 1024 at 13" and are sometimes seen with 1280 at 15".
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"You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."
Re:High Res (Score:2)
You are confusing screen resolution with screen object size
No I'm not - I'm aware of the difference, but in practical uses it doesn't exist because, as you pointed out, most of our desktops are hard-coded. And, until our desktops and apps are built using vector-based graphics (bye bye wild E-themes), you're not likely to see anything like that. Well, not under X11 anyway.
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Power Vs Price (Score:2)
I WOULD like to see a nice, flat 21" monitor capable of 1600x though
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LED size (Score:2)
LED's are just a P/N junction, today we can fit millions of these on a chip. The junction in an LED isn't really that much bigger, so theoretically these things could be built like integrated circuits, including the current-limiting resistors and the latch-and-multiplex circuits sitting at the base of the LED itself. We're only talking 20000 micron technology IC's here, which is hardly difficult by any stretch.
The current problem is the patent on the new high-intensity blue LED if I recall correctly.
Re:Excellent, now we just need to get... (Score:2)
Re:Have I read this correctly? Are there any (Score:2)
you're absolutely right. What's more: virtually every light-emitting technology we've got doesn't involve chemical reactions. LCD backlights, regular LEDs, neon lights, regular light bulbs...
and apart from the light bulbs all of these emit light because electrons are dropping from a higher energy state to a lower.
Re:Lower costs? Maybe for production... (Score:2)
If the parts cost comes down, the retail price comes down. Some of the big manufacturers hate that, but they weren't able to stop the sub-$1000 PC, or the $600 PC. The days of Compaq-like and IBM-like margins in PCs are long gone. It's a brutally competitive commodity business.
Besides, the big application for low-cost flat panel displays is TV sets. Flat panels are too expensive for that market, but if the technology makes it possible, big, cheap, low-rez flat panels will flood the market.
Yeah right (Score:2)
Good, but still... (Score:2)
bigger screens? or smaller screens? (Score:2)
Seattle Site Systems [seattlesight.com]
Kaiser Electro-Optics [keo.com]
CGSD -VR [realtimegraphics.com]
As you can see, a person would have to be seriously disturbed to wear them in their office, let alone the public!
would anybody other than myself prefer to have an eyepiece rather than a monitor?
Universal Display Corporation (Score:2)
Re:High Res (Score:3)
Running 1600x1200 on a 15" LCD screen would be unbearable. It's almost too small for my 21" CRT... The only answer to that would be to make the laptop screen bigger, but again I ask: why would you want to? Making a laptop screen bigger than 15" makes it awful clumsy. Sure, everyone wants a big screen, but who wants a big laptop? Not me. I'll stick with 1024x768 screens on my laptops, thanks.
Having said all that, this technology could easily help out in bringing flatscreen monitors to the world's desktops.
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Excellent, now we just need to get... (Score:3)
-- Moondog
OLED (Score:3)
For more info about OLED, look on Kodak's site:c ts/specialProducts/OEL/oelIndex.shtm l [kodak.com]
http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/produ
But here's a product that puts to practice a real breakthrough in flat panel display technology. (though I'm not sure about it's power consumption).
-- kwashiorkor --
Pure speculation gets you nowhere.
Not the limiting factor (Score:3)
That said, this technology does (as the article correctly emphasizes) enable the construction of much lower-power displays than what is currently used. LEDs have very low heat dissipation, which translates into less wasted current, especially when compared to the heat put out by an LCD backlight. Also, without a backlight, you can make the panel somewhat thinner, so the various comments about using this to make headmount or pda/cellphone displays are probably right on track as to where OLEDs will end up being important.
Still some work to do yet (Score:3)
Correction (Score:4)
LCD displays work by having an optically active (chiral) organic molecule layer (called the liquid crystal) sandwiched bewteeen 2 layers of polarizing filters, set at 90 degrees angle. When a current is applied the orientation of the liquid crystal layer changes, and the light's polarization plane doesn't get rotated the 90 degrees to clear the second filter. (Thus appearing to be dark). Take away the voltage, the crystals returns to ground state, plane polarized light is rotated 90 degrees, and it clears the second filter and appears to be transparent. This is how LCD displays on calculators work; color displays built on this principle and add a backlight on the back (ie, laptop) and by controlling the amount of light that passes thru for each pixel, generates the different colors. Note that the light emmision criteria has nothing to do with the liquid crystals; that's why you can't read your calculator in a dark room, and that's why palm devices have a backlight. Another cool thing to try is to take a polarizing sunglasses and hold it between your eye and the laptop screen and rotate it slowly. The display will get darker (at 90 deg) and brighter again (at a full 180 deg).
Now that we have amused ourselves with LCD technology, let's take a look at what these guys at Princeton actually did:
They found a new material that can be used in light emitting diodes. LEDs are used for indicator lights on the electronics that we all love. Traditionally, LED displays for flat panel applications are problematic for 2 reasons:
A: Making the pixels small enough, on a large display.
B: Finding a materials for blue LEDs.
The problem with blue LEDs was solved a few years back, but as far as I know A is still a limitation. If you ever look at those big "SonyTron" LED displays in stadiums, up close the pixels are about the size of your THUMB.
In order for this to suceed, there needs to be a good commercial process to apply the OLED material onto an (ideally) plastic substrate. Plastic substrates are really the way to go because they are less prone to breakage and don't require massive retooling. Hopefully, since the material is organic in nature, incorporating it onto plastic won't be such a difficult idea.
-=- Terence